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BS: the demise of the boring thread

Don Firth 09 Jun 14 - 02:52 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Jun 14 - 02:24 PM
Don Firth 09 Jun 14 - 12:50 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Jun 14 - 11:18 AM
Jeri 09 Jun 14 - 10:01 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Jun 14 - 02:10 AM
Don Firth 09 Jun 14 - 12:06 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Jun 14 - 11:43 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Jun 14 - 11:29 PM
Don Firth 08 Jun 14 - 11:16 PM
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Don Firth 08 Jun 14 - 10:13 PM
Jeri 08 Jun 14 - 08:08 PM
Ed T 08 Jun 14 - 07:56 PM
Don Firth 08 Jun 14 - 07:49 PM
Ed T 08 Jun 14 - 06:59 PM
Don Firth 08 Jun 14 - 06:40 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Jun 14 - 05:59 PM
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Ed T 08 Jun 14 - 05:27 PM
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Ebbie 08 Jun 14 - 05:10 PM
Ed T 08 Jun 14 - 04:37 PM
Don Firth 08 Jun 14 - 04:08 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jun 14 - 02:52 PM

A complete, total, and deliberate misrepresentation of what I said! And of the situation I described.

People, read what I said, not what this creature says I said!

Goofball, how can you be such an egregious liar and still look at yourself in a mirror?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 14 - 02:24 PM

Yeah..Don is now trying to prove that people can be homosexual, by choice.....or something like that...if he thinks a guy can just turn it on and then turn it off(or the other way around), do I need to say more??....except, that the post was not mine....but if Don wants to think so, he just shot himself in the foot!...along with all the other 'No Choice' advocates!!

'Stereo politicians', speaking out of both sides of their mouths!!

This is a riot!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jun 14 - 12:50 PM

Jeri, it's on the Prop 8 thread, on page 31. Posted on 06 May 09 - 12:38 AM. Word for word.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 14 - 11:18 AM

Which one?...I'll even help you.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jun 14 - 10:01 AM

Don, I couldn't find the quote, as written originally by GfS, on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 14 - 02:10 AM

Be my guest...explain it.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jun 14 - 12:06 AM

You don't know the complexity of the circumstances, Goofball. You are making the whole thing up. And once again--

The encounter was NOTHING like the way you're trying to characterize it. Far different.

You are lying through your teeth--again--and, as usual, you are assuming that I am the kind of person who would operate with YOUR standards of behavior!

No way!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 11:43 PM

oh.....and blaming her for the whole thing!!!
What a 'Gentleman and a Scholar'!!
Did you also 'champion 'Women's Rights'???...to 'feel' important??

Get real!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 11:29 PM

'Common decency'?? coming from you??....what are you referring to?...knocking up some chick and leaving her pregnant to go pursue your 'career'??
You are the Achilles heel for your whole trip!

....and I'm being 'kind'...all things considering!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 11:16 PM

No political agenda, Goofup. Just common decency.

He's beginning to sound a bit desperate--

No, he's been desperate all along.

And this--individual--once claimed that he was a family counselor!!

Ye Gods!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 10:50 PM

Bullshit, Don...Mudcat is the ONLY forum, or website I have posted on.

"The idea that a gay man might marry and even have children before he takes up with a male lover does not mean that he "decided" to be gay. He may have been gay all along, but fighting his natural inclinations."

What a twist of spinning!...If he was having sex with a woman, bearing children, and raising them, is a attribute of being heterosexual...unless YOU decide he 'changed his mind'...which of course, blows your argument out of the water that, 'they can't change'.

Good Lord, keep track of which side of your mouth your talking out of...unless, of course, you are using a different orifice!

see, that's the whole gist of politicizing, using opinions rather than fact, and playing on people's emotions....they'll use whatever bullshit serves their immediate purpose!...Which also fits Don's profile of supporting non-facts, speculations, and lies to put over whatever crap he's pushing.
Ya' want to re-live history??....why don't you give us the bullshit lines you used to get laid...and then top it off with why you decides to leave her...and why she wanted NOTHING to do with you!!...even moved to Canada!...but who could believe you'd tell the truth??...and now you want to politically champion other sexual behaviors???? What an 'expert'!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 10:13 PM

Ver-r-r-ry interesting, Jeri…….

Word for word, which means either that Goofus is spreading his propaganda over other web sites as well as Mudcat – or that, among other things, he is a plagiarist.

The idea that a gay man might marry and even have children before he takes up with a male lover does not mean that he "decided" to be gay. He may have been gay all along, but fighting his natural inclinations. In other words, in denial. I know a gay man (the one in our writers' group) who was married to a woman, but the two of them were never really happy. She didn't know what the problem was until he told her straight out (having come to terms with his own urges) that he was gay and was trying not to be—and it wasn't working. She gave him a divorce, and a little while later, he moved in with the man he's living with now (they were married a few months ago, right after Washington State legalized gay marriage). Now? No problem! He's still friends with his ex-wife, so no sweat. She's happy that he's happy, and she's going her own way. Fortunately the split came before they had children.

I can't help but think about young Matthew Shepard, who was taken out on a country road, tied to a fence, then tortured and pistol-whipped. His assailants left him simply hanging there, with a fractured skull and severe brain damage. Many hours later someone found him and took him to a hospital where he died without ever regaining consciousness.

Why?

Because he was gay.

So other than being gay, what had he done to deserve that kind of fate?

Nothing!

That's the result of the kind of irrational hatred that a couple of people on this thread are spewing.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 08:08 PM

GfS, I can't find any post you might have been denying having written, but I only went back a couple years in that thread.

I did find this on Yahoo:
"By the way, all of those who think that I have no experience with this, and that I'm just spouting from no experience with this issue, you should know that my father CHOSE a homosexual lifestyle after he had 6 children with my mother.
BTW, that's not the entire piece.

I'm going to read the whole "people choose to be gay" thing as meaning the person asserting so made a choice to be straight, meaning they could've been gay or bisexual. Not everyone is inclined in both directions. I don't think there's anything wrong with people who DO have the option to decide, but it's not something everyone has.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 07:56 PM

historic perspective on homosexuality and biology 

A historic article from the 1990s. It's interesting how not much more has been confirmed by research since this article was written, thogh there hsve been a number if "dead ends" and steos backwards after research and therepy errors were exhausted or exposed. It is also interesting how many "experts" with an agenda are certain they know much more on tge topic than exhaustive research has been abke to unearth.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 07:49 PM

Epigenetics.

Not just the genes themselves, but how the genes express themselves.

Fertile field. Explains a lot.

But no matter how you try to slice it, sexual orientation is STILL not a matter of choice.

Look it up, Goofus. I want to see what kind of a hash you manage to make out of that.

Don Firth

P. S. I love science! It can get complicated, but it's so clean.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 06:59 PM

I repeat research gfs, not your opinion of how the complex human body and mind works (which seems in your last post, IMO, extremely simplistic).

My request seems reasonable, and indeed not greater scientific evidence than you have requested of others.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 06:40 PM

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Goofup.

Twist and shout.

Nurse!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 05:59 PM

Stressed hormones are caused by stress, which is behavioral. Genes are inherited.
What else do you need to know?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 05:55 PM

Ebbie: "
I'm kind of tired of the dancing around the subject. Here is what was said from GfS's computer some years ago:

"By the way, all of those who think that I have no experience with this, and that I'm just spouting from no experience with this issue, you should know that my father CHOSE a homosexual lifestyle after he had 6 children with my mother."

Are you trying to say that homosexuality is a CHOICE???????????????...and NOT genetic, but cause by the behavior of a molester????

Don't tell Don(and others) that you are breaking ranks!

Also, you didn't post this one, either by negligence, or intentionally:

"Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 04:02 PM

"Gosh, I can't find that post...refresh my memory....my father was NOT ever a homosexual....let me see if that post is even there...or show me.
(or someone used my name)....." ...and called for the mods to check the source....because I didn't know where the hell that came from!
But, yes, it was posted from my computer.
..and somebody did...the post was NOT from me....Jeez, the liberal based mindset must cause Alzheimer's!!
How many times do we have to go over this??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 05:27 PM

Do you have evidence (research) to show homosexuality is behavioral versus biological (not limited to genetic), gfs? If so, I have not seen the research put forward for consideration.

If not, would it not be an "over-reach" to classify if as behavior based. A few cases involving personal choice hardly makes a sufficient case to make that leap (most logical thinkers have a higher standard of proof than that).

I am not doubting your conviction. However, as you make a statement, it is your task to show others how it so, or at least on what basis you were so convinced of such a conviction. If one cause has not been determined, this does not give another one more validity because of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 05:14 PM

D.F: "We do not (or certain should not) deny rights and privileges to those whose skin color or eye shape is different from ours, nor do we discriminate against those whose dominant hand is different from ours."


You intermingle two separate things...You are equating a 'civil right' issue, (genetic), to a behavioral(non genetic) issue.

Different animal.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 05:10 PM

I'm kind of tired of the dancing around the subject. Here is what was said from GfS's computer some years ago:

"By the way, all of those who think that I have no experience with this, and that I'm just spouting from no experience with this issue, you should know that my father CHOSE a homosexual lifestyle after he had 6 children with my mother.


"Not to get to personal, but to squash any type of statement about my father already being gay, I'll explain this. He was molested when he was a child by his father and uncle. He learned how to deal withthe shame and pain of this act by storing it inside and never talking about it. This, undoubtedly, led to prolonged psychological effects that plagued him and eventually chose him to choose his lifestyle."


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 04:37 PM

"Chimpanzees are humans closest living relatives.  They have been on a separate evolutionary path from humans for only 6-7 million years.  Subsequently, they still share most of the human genes... differing by only 1-2% in terms of DNA sequences. "

Unlike some human males, in some countries, chimpanzees don't "masterbate in front of their computers while watching pornography". Given ths choice, it is unlikely they would do so either.

The reason clearly must be in the 1-2 percent of the genes, or possibly better upbringing and values than their human counterparts?

Note:
(The above example can possibly be confused with some of the logic put forward in this thread).


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 04:08 PM

After all this latest twisting and writhing of his, does anyone have any doubt that Goofball is in serious need of psychiatric help?

Nurse!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 03:48 PM

Yeah...maybe we should remember Pelosi's now most famous quote.."Let's pass this bill so we can see what's in it"....sounds like 'democracy' to me!...The insurance companies, who stood to benefit the most, aren't a majority of people...BUT, they are pretty powerful cronies!!

AND....

NEWS ALERT:
SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE FOUND A GENE THAT CAUSES MIDDLE AGES MEN TO MASTURBATE IN FRONT OF THEIR COMPUTER SCREENS, WHILE WATCHING PORNOGRAPHY!... Details at ten.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 03:20 PM

Corruption is one thing, ignoring the wishes of citizens who elect them...those they are elected to represent... is a very serious issue for democracy. No wonder respect for polititions and politics is at an all time low (my observation). Significant at a time where awareness is at an all time high (internet). One result is apathy and frustration, but not protest and change?


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 03:01 PM

Mudbutt: "Top man!
What's your secret Don?"

That's all we need, another General in the crowd!
You obviously aren't reading or comprehending the posts!..which doesn't surprise me!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 02:21 PM

Ed T: "GFS, do you actually believe that the current democratic system is immune to that type of thing in other areas? If so, you shojld take off your rose coloured democractic glasses."

Actually, I've been railing about corruption in politics for quite a long time now...Bobert and I went round a bout, repeatedly. He was all about 'everything Democratic Party', while I was telling him that BOTH parties are corrupt.
Does anyone contest the obvious fact???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 02:19 PM

Top man!

What's your secret Don?



Goofus doesn't surprise me. That said, I'd love him to actually understand other posts because to date, he posts based on misunderstanding them, not to mention his character assassination of Don.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 02:16 PM

No Don, someone didn't 'sneak in' and use my computer...BUT, I suspect it was done by another musician who thought that arguing with political meat-heads, was wasting too much rehearsal time.


My father did not run off with a 'male lover'....if he would have, that would have shot your whole premise in the head....about people changing their 'sexual orientation' My dad died at 60, after having six children, and being faithful to his wife, the whole time...something that just confounds people like Don...a rather novel concept to him and his ilk!!

D.F.: "Goofus was trying to "prove" that sexual orientation is not genetic but a matter of choice with that little story, then, too late, he realized he'd shot himself in the foot—and claimed the I had posted it using his handle. When one of the mud-elves checked the IP address on the post, it showed that it had come from Goofup's computer!"

Gosh, did it ever occur to you, that I had NO idea, at the time, WHERE that post came from?????

As far as 'proving sexual orientation is not genetic' I'm not trying to prove anything of the sort...but speaking of 'proving', nobody has proved that it IS genetically based...so let's not try another ATTEMPT at spinning your 'hunch' that it is genetic...besides, "..other factors play a greater role..." (from not only the latest study, but quite a few before it)...something you fail to address, in your 'quest' to make it something that it is, either not, or has yet to have been proven!!....and 'blame' it on women who 'carry the gene!!

D.F.: "Does anyone have any doubts that Goofball is pathologically incapable of telling the truth?"

Look who is calling the kettle black!....and I bet you there ARE those who have serious doubts that I'm incapable of telling the truth....and there are those who see me as telling the truth..but that shouldn't matter to you...TRUTH isn't included in your agendas!!

D.F.: "And as to his allegation about my getting a girl pregnant and then taking off—never happened!"

WHAT???????....Talk about bold face lying!!!...not only that, you blamed the girl!!!!...and said she did everything she could to keep you away from them!..Need a 'cut and paste'??

D.F.: "Goofball's vivid imagination. Or more likely, an attempt on his part to discredit me any way he can."

No, Don....you don't need any more help, you've done a great job all by yourself!!

But then, you will support a lie, or even speculation if you think it will get you what you want to believe!

Remember and how many times I had to answer you with Kennedy's quote on evading a question by answering his own misstatement??...but even Kennedy acknowledged that sooner or later, people catch on....

OR, as Lincoln said, "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

That's politics for ya'!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 02:04 PM

And as to Goofball's riff about my having my "homosexual buddies" over as dinner guests with no mention of women present…….

Bull droppings!

My wife and I often have dinner guests in on holidays, and these guests generally include one man who is in our writers' group who is gay, and he comes with his partner. Women guests include Bernice and Mariah, who are also in the writers' group, and Rebecca, an artist who lives upstairs along with her actor husband Paul, who also comes—plus a few other people if they are available, such as my sister, Pat.

Goofus is apparently trying to make it sound like I have gay orgies at my apartment. But how can that be, when I'm always out picking up girls in bars, knocking them up, and dumping them? And my wife says nothing about this!??

I must be a very busy fellow. Virile, too!!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 01:22 PM

"Gosh, what other violations of the will of the people get overturned....BASED ON A HUNCH???"

GFS, do you actually believe that the current democratic system is immune to that type of thing in other areas? If so, you shojld take off your rose coloured democractic glasses. (I suspect you are mostly caught up in making a point on homosexuality related issues, and did not think that one out objectively).

Once elected, under representive democracy, the will of those in power, and those who theh are connected to is the #1 priority. Only during election time are promises made to lure voters, and quickly forgotten, put on the back burner, or explained away until the next election time. That mostly sums up the state of "the will of the people" in a current democracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 01:18 PM

The kind of hate that is spawned by people like Ake and Goofball HAS led to atrocities like the brutal torture and murder of Matthew Shepard. If you don't know who Matthew Shepard is, I suggest you look him up and read what happened to him at the hands of two homophobes.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 01:02 PM

Does anyone believe that riff of Goofus's that someone else snuck in and used his computer to post a message that his father, after siring six kids, decided to be gay and ran off with a male lover—as a joke?

Goofus was trying to "prove" that sexual orientation is not genetic but a matter of choice with that little story, then, too late, he realized he'd shot himself in the foot—and claimed the I had posted it using his handle. When one of the mud-elves checked the IP address on the post, it showed that it had come from Goofup's computer! Busted!! So twisting like a snake, he then claimed that one of his buddies snuck in and posted the message as a joke!

Some joke!

Does anyone have any doubts that Goofball is pathologically incapable of telling the truth?

And as to his allegation about my getting a girl pregnant and then taking off—never happened! Goes along with his lies about me picking up girls in bars, knocking them up and then deserting them. Never, not even once. Goofball's vivid imagination. Or more likely, an attempt on his part to discredit me any way he can.

Desperate, pathetic little dork!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 12:03 PM

Mudbut: "They don't even say an uncomfortable truth, they are just fantasy based on fear and ignorance."

Sorta like believing that homosexuality is based on genes...and passing laws based on a 'hunch'....even overriding the democratically voted on, will of the people!
Gosh, what other violations of the will of the people get overturned....BASED ON A HUNCH???

This has NOTHING to do with 'homophobia' or 'bigotry'....it has to do with subverting the democratic process!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 09:44 AM

No. It can be harrowing, it can be uncomfortable but it can never be an insult.

Which is why your observations are an insult. They don't even say an uncomfortable truth, they are just fantasy based on fear and ignorance.

Don't bother with the potted history, just the bit where you decided to come out with your base bigotry and assume anyone wished to hear it.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 07:14 AM

Can the truth ever be an insult Ian?


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 06:43 AM

And your filth is an insult to thousands and thousands of gay couples in this country alone.

But don't let common decency stop you, worm.

We'll never know if you are a closet gay or not, because gay men have their standards.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 04:24 AM

Don, your assertions are an insult, to both myself and my wife of 45 years.
I could give you a potted history of my life, but what's the point?


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 03:13 AM

You see, Don, I don't have anyone close to me or in the family who decided to change their 'orientation', and we've been around this bush before, about yes the post was from my computer, but it was not authored by me....(I don't know how many times(I think a half dozen...now go count). Even the mod, Joe told you before it didn't even sound like me....but that's another issue..what's really amazingly typical, is that you had to throw that in, as to 'color' is some weird light, that you'd like....but that doesn't surprise me...because from your 'explanation post' you pretty much said that you would support and promote a lie, or speculation, if it got what you what you want to believe!!!...True story..go back and read it...and my question...(besides, you're known for spinning the truth on here...so much that others have told you, as well.

Speaking of genetic based, versus hormonal influences, a funny thing happened when you directed me to check out the archives('Prop 8')...I noticed while you were 'celebrating the fact' that you were 'so hip', that you had all your homosexual buddies over for dinner,(and I brought this up to you before)...but something jumped out, anew....(I should cut and paste this)....I suspect why you insist on the 'gene' theory....and most always you make a point that the woman carries that 'GENE'....and, you are pretty famous for never admitting a flaw, no matter how much it glares out...OK..back to the point...I've always maintained that the influences of the hormones while the baby is being formed, from a stressed mother(being as they share the same nervous system, in the formative stages) had a greater influence, than a simple gene(and THAT is BACKED up by studies)......maybe you don't want to think of yourself as the cause of that stress, because, in the names you mentioned, as dinner guests, that night, I noticed you included your son's name...and no women were mentioned as present.
It would only make sense, to want to 'champion' a lie, maybe to make amends, for getting the girl pregnant and taking off...(you can insert your own rationalization).....Oh, and that's 'only' a
SUGGESTION and speculation, with reasonable evidence....just like what you support!!!
....but then, like I said:

"but that doesn't surprise me...because from your 'explanation post' you pretty much said that you would support and promote a lie, or speculation, if it got what you what you want to believe!!!...True story.."

It got you laid, didn't it???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 08:33 PM

No, Ake, I'm spot on.

It's long, but read the whole thing:   Homophobia: The Fear Behind The Hatred.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 07:57 PM

Sorry Don, but you really have lost the plot.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 02:37 PM

"What I found 'telling', is that when YOU found someone you suspected of being homosexual, you called it 'dirty', as you referred to it!
" ...Sorta a 'Freudian Slip' there, Chief."

Sorry, Goofup, but you've once again got the wrong end of the stick. The "dirty little secret" is not that same-sex orientation is "dirty," but that you denying the likely genetic base of sexual orientation because a very close relative of yours (according to you) "decided" to be gay and deserted the family to run off with his male lover is pretty limp. If there is a genetic basis for sexual orientation, then your own orientation can appear pretty precarious, so you go into severe denial. Which includes trying to convince yourself that there is nothing to the idea of sexual orientation being genetics based. Claiming that sexual orientation is just a matter of choice is simply you whistling in the dark, AND to take a political or social activist position on that basis is pretty damned sleazy. THAT's the dirty little secret.

I've met flaming homophobes before, and every damned one of them has been a closet gay—in the closet to themselves, even though their problem was patently obvious to everyone else.

Both you and your Scottish buddy need to take a good look in the mirror and ask yourselves why you are so rabid about this subject.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 01:51 PM

Yes, but I'm an anorexic lesbian. I fancy women and every time I look in the mirror I see a fat person.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 09:27 AM

"My cousin is an agoraphobic homosexual, which makes it kind of hard for him to come out of the closet". ~Bill Kelly


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 09:26 AM

"The world is not divided into sheeps and goats.  Not all things are black nor all things white.  It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories.  Only the human mind invents categories and tries to force facts into separated pigeon-holes.  The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects.  The sooner we learn this concerning sexual behavior the sooner we shall reach a sound understanding of the realities of sex."  ~Alfred Kinsey, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, 1948


"Labels are for filing.  Labels are for clothing.  Labels are not for people."  ~Martina Navratilova


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 09:21 AM

"People who can't think of anything else but whether the person you love is indented or convex should be doomed not to think of anything else but that, and so miss the other ninety-five percent of life".  ~Robert Towne


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 08:37 AM

:0)......Didn't get the PN joke tho'.


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 08:16 AM

"My sexual preference is often".  ~Author Unknown


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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 08:15 AM

"I'm a supporter of gay rights.  And not a closet supporter either.  From the time I was a kid, I have never been able to understand attacks upon the gay community.  There are so many qualities that make up a human being... by the time I get through with all the things that I really admire about people, what they do with their private parts is probably so low on the list that it is irrelevant".  ~Paul Newman


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