BS: the demise of the boring thread

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 11:06 AM

SOUND FAMILIAR?????????????

Corporate shills, forum disruptors, trolls and fanboys?
3 months ago

Maybe they work for your government, or your camera maker/distributor?

Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer
Tags: internet trolls, chat rooms, federal government

(NaturalNews) You've probably run into them before -- those seemingly random antagonizers who always end up diverting the conversation in an online chat room or article comment section away from the issue at hand, and towards a much different agenda. Hot-button issues like illegal immigration, the two-party political system, the "war on terror" and even alternative medicine are among the most common targets of such attackers, known as internet "trolls" or "shills," who in many cases are nothing more than paid lackeys hired by the federal government and other international organizations to sway and ultimately control public opinion.

Several years ago, Canada's CTV News aired a short segment about how its own government had been exposed for hiring secret agents to monitor social media and track online conversations, as well as the activities of certain dissenting individuals. This report, which in obvious whitewashing language referred to such activities as the government simply "weighing in and correcting" allegedly false information posted online, basically admitted that the Canadian government had assumed the role of secret online police. At the time, this was a great unknown to the general Canadian public.

You can view this CTV News segment here:
http://youtube.com

Of course, the same type of online patrolling by the government is also happening in the U.S., particularly from the CIA and its infamous In-Q-Tel program. At a 2012 summit, former CIA director David Petraeus essentially admitted that the CIA has a covert online presence that it uses not only for data mining purposes but also to infiltrate online conversations for the purpose of protecting "national security" interests. Such interests, it turns out, include disrupting conversations that discuss topics like 9/11 truth, for instance, or U.S. involvement in giving weapons to Syrian rebels.

According to Occupy Corporatism, the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), which was recently exposed by American hero and whistleblower Edward Snowden for its illegal surveillance programs, has devised a training program that literally scouts out hackers from American colleges and universities and recruits them to work for the government. Among the many duties sought from those enrolled in the National Centers of Academic Excellence in the Cyber Operations Program are "collection, exploitation, and response" activities to take place in the online environment.

"These 'cyber operators' are trained to become an elite team of 'computer geniuses' that are experts in computer hacking, digital communications, cyber intelligence -- for the purpose of spying on Americans, as well as conducting interactive digital psy-ops with users of the internet," explains Occupy Corporatism about the program.

...continued at:

http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html

You can view the actual NSA announcement admitting this here:
http://www.nsa.gov

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 11:05 AM

I have no intention of staring up The KEITH AND JIM show again - I do think that if parents can't control children, somebody else should though.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 10:58 AM

"We have enough to laugh about, starting with how you're not arguing with Jim."
Maaybe you'd like to tell him he has no right to interfere with other's freedom to post Jeri -
No?
Thought not!
Stay safe - like Mike
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 10:57 AM

As Gerry with a G once said, "They never went away."

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 10:54 AM

From White's to The Reform to The Athenæum to The Groucho to The Pitt Club to The Bullingdon the cry goes up ~~~~


BRING BACK THE KEITH & CARROLL SHOW !!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 10:24 AM

Everybody is like Hitler is some way. Even it is Aunt Bessie and her ability to grow a mustache.

Some people on this forum seem to like to rant like Hitler when they post here. I wonder do these people play the newsreels of the demonstrations and Hitler speeches as they write here mentally editing themselves onto the stage?

Dr. Graveyard makes some interesting points. Shame that he has to weave insults among them. He has a writing style strangely similar to that of the one person on the Mudcat he seems to worship and he seems to be one of two people (he and Musket) on this forum who actually give a crap what Musket posts.

I am not saying they are the same person, but you know Occam's razor and all. It seems pretty odd that a real Dr. would come here only to choose a name which is designed to provoke Akenaton and to support Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 09:58 AM

Fair cop.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 09:34 AM

We have enough to laugh about, starting with how you're not arguing with Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 09:32 AM

Just make it a formal complaint Jim.
Those poor mods don't get much to laugh about.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 09:25 AM

A little background music please maestro.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 09:25 AM

"You mean question what others say."
No - questioning the right of others to say it - because of where they come from or how long they've been around.
You are now making a common practice of this
Whether I resign or not is none of your business.
I wonder if some kind passing forum-fairy might have a word in the right ear before someone makes this complaint formal.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 09:18 AM

Jim,
"How is that long and tedious resignation process going?"
As long as you attempt to breach the rights of others to have their say without your unauthorised interference

You mean question what others say.
That is what we all do here and we do not need authorisation.

Have I got it right that you resigned because of my posting, but you won't actually leave because of my posting?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 08:52 AM

Not that I've read all of this since last night, but The Sixth Guest sounds like a crime novel. Perhaps it would make a good Mudcat Fiction thread.

I notice people who go back and forth between member names and anon, because there are hardly any people who do that. Most of them are reacting to people they THINK are doing it.

It reminds me of an old "Get Smart" episode. The good-guy spy (from CONTROL) was sent to infiltrate the bad-guy organization (KAOS) to find out who the head bad guys were. At some point, he revealed himself, and learned that all the top KAOS guys were CONTROL agents.

A great philosopher once said "We have met the enemy, and he is us." It's what happened in that episode of "Get Smart", and it happens here when someone decides to teach people a lesson by showing them how easy it is for anyone to go darkside.

Yeah, it's easy. The point is people generally don't do it.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 08:09 AM

The quotation mark 

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 07:53 AM

I'm a commissioned officer if you don't mind.

Do I look like a pleb?





Ok. Bad example.

Do I drive around in my posh car sticking two fingers up at the plebs? Yes. Ergo I must be privileged.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 07:45 AM

"How is that long and tedious resignation process going?"
As long as you attempt to breach the rights of others to have their say without your unauthorised interference
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 07:42 AM

they've annexed gay marriage by blitzkrieg with inverted commas...!.they say its their last territorial ambition.

don't panic Mr Mainwaring! or you Corporal Musket!

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 07:39 AM

Seaham. I hear what you are saying, but I also think Steve is right. Many people give threads with bigotry plumes of feathers displayed a wide berth.

My concern is that the last thing they may have read is lies and hate parcelled up with a ribbon.

My approach is turning people off too, but I cannot see what the alternative is. I would never stoop so low as to debate the merits of bigotry. I couldn't and wouldn't entertain any debate that singles out a section of society and discusses whether they need to be singled out or have this same rights and opportunities as people who don't fall into their particular demographic. I couldn't keep quiet whilst they are getting away with it either. Someone quoted the rather draconian law in The UK a few posts up. I am dismayed, not by the law but by the continued need for the law in the first place.

In the meantime, our Prime Minister has made a speech which invited the debate on bigotry and hypocrisy to be re examined. I'm not sure that was his intention. I am more than sure that he slipped in a "doing God" speech as fodder for gullible people who see rational secular law as a threat to their brainwashed paranoia. They may be delusioned but they also have a vote. Usually on the right of of the swingometer.

Still, nice to see him wriggle when someone mentioned the opt out clause in gay marriage when he said we should be proud of some Christian heritage or other...

In the meantime, two old songs have re entered my usual set, Bruce's Song and Curtains of Old Joe's House. These debates just serve to remind us that you can't legislate against hate, you can just show it for what it is. Then dismiss it.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 07:24 AM

nor have I ever been told by anyone other than you that I have no right to an opinion on Britain because I no longer live there

Not by me either, unless you mean about how common a notice is here.
Otherwise it is all in your pretty little head.

How is that long and tedious resignation process going?
This is like talking to someone from beyond the grave.

(I detect another report brewing)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 06:51 AM

I would suggest that Musket, (who I know well and found his lectures informative as well as entertaining at the post grad medical school) and Steve Shaw take a deep look and see if there is any point harping on?

Harping on? This is my second post to this thread. I never start threads like this one, never. I quietly drop away from many a thread. You probably wouldn't have noticed.

Steve Shaw, do you think the silence of many may be taken as agreement to nasty comments by contemptable people?

I think that the silence of many is almost certainly testament to the fact that most haven't read the bloody thread.

You're just like these mods. You seem to want to silence the people who are really trying to expose the true nastiness on this site whilst seeking to protect the real perpetrators of the nastiness. At least, as yet, you don't appear to be threatening us with jail :-). If all the fair-minded people here shouted at Keith, Ake, Goofus, pete and the rest, that lot and their ilk would crawl away and hide in their holes. But, as I say, a lot of people (fair-minded or not) probably don't read the threads. Now you tell me what you think the silence is all about, preferably with evidence for your conjectures.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 06:42 AM

"I fear Jim will now be reporting me again"
Quite possibly, if you continue your behaviour
No other member, in my experience, has ever told another to leave this forum - nor have I ever been told by anyone other than you that I have no right to an opinion on Britain because I no longer live there - get a grip - who the hell do you think you are?
And never forget - of the people who have been singled out as misbehaving on this forum - your and my names are at the top of the list
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 06:06 AM

Gfs, the link below provides some information on bjsexuality, which could explain some oc tge folks who claim they have changed their orientation from one to the other. Life is not always as simple that we can put all folks in a couple of catagories.


bisexuality 

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 06:00 AM

Dave, it is debatable if that site is bigoted.
I certainly would not defend it, but it is not clear cut.

I would like to see a quote from someone's post that shows this "criminal hatred" that Musket sees everywhere but I do not believe exists on Mudcat.

I believe this crusade against imagined criminal hatred is destroying our once pleasant forum, and I wish it would stop.
The actions of the pack are far more damaging than their imagined foe.

I fear Jim will now be reporting me again.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:51 AM

Al. Calling people second class and stigmatising them, promoting denial of rights afforded to others.

That's insanity.

The only time I would go near that park bench is to let my dog cock his leg on it.

Perhaps my time spent in health and social care has allowed me to see too much? I have, as a regulator looking for a rule 43, attended, I think, seven coroner courts where suicides included people not being adequately protected by those responsible for their care with regard to stigmatisation of their race, disability or sexual orientation. (One transsexual, one gay person who "came out" whilst in care.) I have attended many more on people not caring for others.

Many people haven't had the release of suicide or murder for that matter. They still live with it, and look in vain for the assurances from politicians that it cannot flourish any more. Ironically, some of the poor buggers seek solace in a church....

Hearing the root of such discrimination being explained away as normal makes my blood boil. It really does.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:50 AM

Keith A of Hertford and Akenaton claimed homophoibic lies werent homophobic lies.

Perhaps we were right.
Please post an example of one.

I say that you can't because there are none.
Confident prediction, you won't.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:49 AM

Dave, that quote came from a religious fundamentalist site for promoting creationism!

It did indeed, Keith, and was endorsed as a fair view by GfS. Does this not indicate some amount of bigotry is in play here?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:42 AM

"Jim, quite a few folks have said that Mudcat is now being spoiled by a few people."
Yes they have and in my opinion, you are the main culprit - and have been reported for it.
You have no right whatever to decide on behalf on anybody who should or should not contribute to this forum - so far, you have done so four times in the last few days
I have become sickened by your long-term bullying and manipulative behaviour on this forum and you have now been warned about it - stop it - it is nothing less than cyber-bullying.
Anybody who objects to people posting here and wished them to be disciplined, should go to the channels, as I have done.
You have no authority here - stop it before somebody else does the same ting I have done
"keith and ake are not hitler."
No they are not, but one of them seems to believe he has Hitler's authority.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:39 AM

Thanks Janie.

Not all attempts work, even if well intended, especially on some topics. But, at least I took a chance that that approach may work, since not much else seems to- especially berating folks, whether you are a mod or not).

Considering the unproductive stuff that goes on in here, at times, and considering that I have attempted- through various approaches to reach out to those interested, to get logical discussion going (I had some success in the transmission thread), I find it it odd that Jeri ( who may be another unnamed guest) chose to target me, versus those mostly throwing repetative insults back and forth.

I have earlier stated that in my opinion, having a multitude of unnamed guests adds nothing to the site. It just adds to confusion, and possibly discord. If posters want to remain anon, they are free to pick a distinctive name, or pick many of them if they wish. Having many folks post under one name is just daft. It seems odd to me that I may be alone in that view, but that may remain one of the puzzles of life.:)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Seaham Cemetry
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:38 AM

It is sad to see the debate over equality that ended in Parliament months ago and got Royal assent more recently still seems to be fair game to some here. (UK of course, not USA.)

I would suggest that Musket, (who I know well and found his lectures informative as well as entertaining at the post grad medical school) and Steve Shaw take a deep look and see if there is any point harping on?

Reasonable stances were met with contempt, including questioning whether I was a doctor at all, because I couldnt agree with Akenaton's take on life. When examples of what makes such views disagreeable were reiterated, Keith A of Hertford and Akenaton claimed homophoibic lies werent homophobic lies. Doesn't that say something to you Musket? Steve Shaw, do you think the silence of many may be taken as agreement to nasty comments by contemptable people?

Guys, you yourselves have used the term "educating pork." Why are you trying to carry on trying to teach? Bigotry isnt known for listening to views and forming opinions based upon them. They prefer to find something to blame for the ills of society, preferbaly people different to themselves.

Guest from Sanity seems to be promoting something that had a psychiatrist struck off for over here. You cannot cure what is normal behaviour. If you could, we would start with personality disorder rather than innocent lifestyle.

I find it disturbing that a handful of people with no respect for others and a discredited agenda see not only the need for the oxygen of publicity but the need to silence those who see it for what it truly is.

How many people on Mudcat, both sides of the Atlantic can equate their silence on this with Woody Guthrie's "This machine kills fascists?"

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:22 AM

musket - a sense of proportion.... keith and ake are not hitler.

comparing what two old chaps say, who in another age would be chatting on a park bench to hitler is nonsense.

mudcat is their park bench. you are not stemming the flow of Nazism - you are sounding bloody daft.

I know you're not daft. I respect you. but bloody hell mate - this is insanity.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:08 AM

Dave, that quote came from a religious fundamentalist site for promoting creationism!

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:06 AM

Disagreeing with the law might not be an offence. Correct. I have an article to be published this week pointing out that a future government may look to repealing sections of The health and Social Care Act 2012. I lay down the drawbacks and issues around the law. I also question the relevance of sections of the 2008 act of the same name, different content.

Disagreeing with the law is one thing. Disagreeing with equality based on sexual orientation is bigotry, homophobia and we have laws to protect people from the hurt , anguish and above all discrimination it feeds.

In the last thread on this, some kind person mentioned free speech in regard of shouting Fire! In a crowded theatre. I actually like the common law approach developed over here that requires the responsibility of free speech.

No. If you disagree with the law, fine.   If you disagree with equality of opportunity, you receive the contempt normally reserved for those for whom pogroms are a solution to the false blame given for society's ills.

Akenaton's "liberal plot" speech can be found on BNP websites. Diluted versions are available on the UKIP poster presently being discussed in the news.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 04:59 AM

Please put up an actual posted example of this hate you say there is and that you need to fight.

Keith, will the example of bigotry that I just posted not do?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 04:58 AM

You folks are certainly in breach of that Law

Pray tell, anonymous sage, which laws am I in breach of? I suspect, that like lots of others on here, you are good at implying and suggesting but pretty poor on supplying evidence.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 04:51 AM

I am assassinating nobody: if you look up the recent postings, it was you in particular who started back in after the previous calm it admonition. It takes two to make an argument, and you were the second, after Keith. Now you start in on me for naming names. It is one thing to be opinionated, we all are, and another to be rabid, which this has become.

The relevant article in UK Law reads:

127 Improper use of public electronic communications network

(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or

(b)causes any such message or matter to be so sent.

(2)A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—

(a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false,

(b)causes such a message to be sent; or

(c)persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.

(3)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable, on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.

You folks are certainly in breach of that Law, and it could have serious repercussions on the site. Some communications have been of a menacing nature, and others for the purpose of causing annoyance - which your latest posting after being told to cool it falls into - and it must stop. Other communications may breach racial hatred laws as well, but this one covers the lot of you. This is the Law, not a fabulation of my own creation, and however much you may disagree, while you post to a blog which is overall predicated on a British cultural artefact, you are bound to respect it.

As at this point, I identify myself to people I respect. You have lost my respect and so I see no reason why I should pander to your grossly over-inflated ego. Come off your high horse and get a life.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 04:42 AM

Musket, disagreeing with a change in a law is not an expression of hate against anybody.
Please put up an actual posted example of this hate you say there is and that you need to fight.

Jim, quite a few folks have said that Mudcat is now being spoiled by a few people.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 04:39 AM

I and others should be at liberty to state our opposition, just as we were all at liberty to oppose criminalisation.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 04:35 AM

I do not agree with the law on the matter of same sex "marriage", any more than I agreed with the law which criminalised homosexuality.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 04:28 AM

Anonymous Guest who is really a member but does not have the courage to tell us who you are. Why do you say "So KoH and DtG in particular, stop trying to revive your case after the last "calm it""? Am I going to end up behind bars? For what? You don't want to get involved in the "personality assassination game" but you are happy to assassinate the name of others from the safety of an anonymous posting? If there is anyone who is causing Mudcat to be a poorer place, it is the cowardly anonymous Guest with his sly snipes and digs.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 04:04 AM

I say! Jolly good wheeze and all that but steady on chaps! Someone might get hurt what!

It's all very well to make sly remarks about people who are different to us, after all that's why and how we keep the plebs down, don'tcha know? But some of these bum bandits have rights now! And it was one of ours that gave them it. Still, he comes from good stock.



No. Sorry Mick. Finding affinity and empathy with homophobia just isn't going to happen. Nice try.

Ok. Without the f'ing and blinding, (enough awful comments without my additions)

Keith. Marriage is a legal contract under law. It is no more, no less and religions joined in the act as it suited them. God didn't say anything about marriage, Parliament did. For Akenaton to use the word in parentheses is to hold the law in contempt. Marriage was between man and woman, now it isn't. God didn't decree that. Parliament did. And god answers to parliament if he exists, and is irrelevant if he doesn't.

Churches have the legal right to conduct marriages, as do hotels and at least two branches of McDonalds. Churches have no right or influence on marriage as I am married and not a member of any fantasy club. My marriage, as per anybody who didn't go for the hypocrisy sermon, is as valid as anybody else's, including the gay people, who have married in recent weeks. We are guests at three gay weddings over the next year, and two heterosexual ones.

Nobody needs testing on account of being gay. People need to come forward for testing as a result of unprotected sex. If gay people need to be tested, you include the huge number of celibates and those for whom their private time does not include penetrative sex. If you have unprotected sex, please report for testing.

I Liked Mudcat before you came along for that matter. You devalue Mudcat by supporting hate, making excuses for the inexcusable and mistaking silence for approval. Delusion takes many forms.

Sorry Mick. You can't attack the issues without questioning the motives of the individuals behind them. This is a forum for opinions of people. (As you can guess, moderation has spoken. I can attack issues but I can't call Keith names he must recognise. Probably gets them shouted at him in the street if he behaves in real life like he does here...)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 03:49 AM

I'm Guest 05:42 and 06:46 and I'm not a named poster sailing anonymously, I chose to do so because I don't want to get sucked into your little personality assassination game. Firstly, in the UK it breaches a criminal law, Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003. Secondly, it has destroyed the site.
I won't abuse morons by comparing you with them. You don't even have that much nous. You get told, and you come back to it again without delay. It's become irrelevant who was right and who was wrong and the merits of the arguments in and of themselves, if you want to debate sexual or race politics or whatever go find a site concerned with the subject and do it there. In the meantime stop shitting on this one.
When ordinary folks get shot at by you in your firefight as they have been only too often, then you've got right out of order. When they depart never to return, then you have gone permanently too far.

I'm told I'm like Chamberlain declaring "peace in our time". I'm not, I was actually part of a team of diplomats which sorted out that bit of folly in the real world, winning the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize in the process. The first step in such activities is to stop the fighting, separate the combatants, regardless of how disgusting their cause, and then find some kind of reconciliation established by wiser heads. Max, I know, has recently checked me out in my real identity, presumably for trying to step in and slow you down: I'm simply damping what they had already shown to be unacceptable.
If I am like Chamberlain, on the other hand, then if I fail, you're going to end up with the Police involved and people not so much barred as behind bars. That is in no way the objective of this site.

We're at the stage where you have to be separated and sent to you corners for a time out. Then I think it does behove the Mods to make some decisions on the future of certain posters here, but that is not yet, and it is their privilege.

So KoH and DtG in particular, stop trying to revive your case after the last "calm it". The level of debate was puerile, and the vitriol has left permanent damage. There is a norm in the folk tradition, somewhat imposed from the US in the wobbly heritage, and there was also a heritage in places like the Blaxhall Ship of sorting matters out bare-knuckled. Perhaps that might be the appropriate venue for this thread if you wish to continue in this vein (or spleen).

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 03:39 AM

"We actually quite liked Mudcat as it was before"
By the way - you speak only for yourself - nobody else is telling people to "go away"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 03:34 AM

"We actually quite liked Mudcat as it was before you came along, so please go and save someone else instead."
Is this really goint to continue Keith?
You have no right to continue telling people that they should "go away" - you have no authority on this forum - you never have had and, hopefully you never shall.
You have persisted in asserting some sort of imagined authority on people far far too long - please pack it in - it's one of the things that is fouling up this forum.
If you have no intention of apologising (sorry "grovelling"), at least try to put a brake on your arrogant behaviour.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 02:24 AM

Keith, there are examples of bigotry here. Lets look at the conclusion of GfS's link, which he believed is a fair and balanced view.

Additionally, evidence exists which documents that homosexuals can change their sexual orientation. Future decisions regarding policies about, and/or treatment of, homosexuals should reflect this knowledge.

The substitute a couple of words.

Additionally, evidence exists which documents that Jews can change their religion. Future decisions regarding policies about, and/or treatment of, Jews should reflect this knowledge.

Do you not find that scary? And I still like Mudcat.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 02:11 AM

Musket, that was all your version of things said.
Not one quote.
I have been complaining that you misrepresent what people say, and then rail against what has never been said.
You just did it again!

I did recognise two things.
Putting marriage in quotes is not hatred silly.
It is recognising that ss marriage is against the definition of marriage that has stood for thousands of years and still stands in almost every country in the world.

Ake's wish to force testing was to save the lives of undiagnosed.
I would force testing if I could on my sons if they were gay, not because I hate them but because I love them.
He has since accepted our argument that it would not be acceptable anyway.

So Musket, where is this hate you are saving us from?
We actually quite liked Mudcat as it was before you came along, so please go and save someone else instead.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 01:38 AM

I know the meaning of "appeasement" very well, Musket....and it is NOT the antonym of "combat." One can stand firm and even make forward progress, without waging war.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 01:22 AM

Joe - Look up appeasement.

Jack - Look back in threads and see who makes homophobic remarks.

It would be quite funny if some of us reacted before hate was published. I watched the biopic on Tommy Cooper last night. If you want to see conjuring tricks, I suggest watching something similar.

Keith. Ask me to supply, read them and claim I didn't supply. Near trick, if you treat everybody reading with contempt.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Janie
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:49 AM

Hi Ed. Now that you have said what it was you were attempting, in hindsight, it is clear. However, you were the only one who knew what you were attempting. I understand, as the result of Jeri's disclosure, that the series of Guest posts were all you and your subsequent replies, what you were attempting to accomplish, with good intent for this community. Your admirable effort fell flat. My own reaction as I read through that series was "Oh shit, more shit in camp." I am grateful to know it was you making that series of posts, and what your intent in doing so was. Relieved.

Not your fault. You were trying. Not Jeri's fault either for not being able to intuit your intent, especially given the current climate.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 11:19 PM

..and 100

gfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 11:18 PM

Dave, in your post you cut and pasted the 'Conclusion'...but seem to FAIL at reading the WHOLE thing you posted...so I'll put it up for you...READ IT!! You posted it!!!:

"....We now know that it is not scientifically accurate to refer to a "gay gene" as the causative agent in homosexuality. The available evidence clearly establishes that no such gene has been identified. Additionally, evidence exists which documents that homosexuals can change their sexual orientation. Future decisions regarding policies about, and/or treatment of, homosexuals should reflect this knowledge."

Got it?..Get it?...Good!

...and that is all I've said about it for YEARS now..no gene!!
I have not made a 'moral' statement about homosexuals, other than in regarding promiscuity...but I included heteros in that as well....and for that, the political airheads interpret that as being 'homophobic'!
As I've said before, most people accusing other people of that, don't even know what it means!

"Lies make us angry with the truth!"

Enough said about this....or the, 'the demise of the boring thread', will just reach a greater level of boring!

GfS

P.S. The post,
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 04:54 PM

Was me...but if you look at the bottom, I put my customary 'GfS'.. AND I posted a duplicate right after WITH my name, 'Guest from Sanity' at the top....all the other 'Guests' were not me.

P.P.S....any more on the homosexual topic, you should take to another thread.