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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Steve Shaw 22 Mar 17 - 11:09 AM
bobad 22 Mar 17 - 10:33 AM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Mar 17 - 09:57 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 Mar 17 - 09:53 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Mar 17 - 09:25 AM
MikeL2 22 Mar 17 - 07:56 AM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Mar 17 - 07:51 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 Mar 17 - 07:49 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Mar 17 - 07:41 AM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Mar 17 - 07:32 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 Mar 17 - 05:57 AM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Mar 17 - 05:13 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Mar 17 - 04:22 AM
Teribus 22 Mar 17 - 02:59 AM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 17 - 09:02 PM
bobad 21 Mar 17 - 08:55 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 17 - 08:41 PM
bobad 21 Mar 17 - 08:34 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 17 - 08:19 PM
Donuel 21 Mar 17 - 08:16 PM
bobad 21 Mar 17 - 07:55 PM
Greg F. 21 Mar 17 - 07:44 PM
bobad 21 Mar 17 - 07:33 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 17 - 07:28 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 17 - 07:19 PM
bobad 21 Mar 17 - 06:33 PM
Dave the Gnome 21 Mar 17 - 05:54 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 17 - 05:30 PM
Dave the Gnome 21 Mar 17 - 05:18 PM
Donuel 21 Mar 17 - 04:26 PM
bobad 21 Mar 17 - 04:08 PM
Keith A of Hertford 21 Mar 17 - 02:59 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 17 - 02:48 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 17 - 02:47 PM
Teribus 21 Mar 17 - 02:46 PM
Keith A of Hertford 21 Mar 17 - 02:46 PM
Keith A of Hertford 21 Mar 17 - 02:35 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 17 - 02:30 PM
Keith A of Hertford 21 Mar 17 - 02:29 PM
Jim Carroll 21 Mar 17 - 02:07 PM
bobad 21 Mar 17 - 01:51 PM
Jim Carroll 21 Mar 17 - 01:26 PM
Teribus 21 Mar 17 - 12:38 PM
Jim Carroll 21 Mar 17 - 11:19 AM
Donuel 21 Mar 17 - 11:05 AM
Dave the Gnome 21 Mar 17 - 09:29 AM
Teribus 21 Mar 17 - 09:16 AM
Dave the Gnome 21 Mar 17 - 08:55 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 11:09 AM

That match was at Buxton on 2 June 1975, Mike. Don't ask me why such a tiny fact as that stuck in my mind - I wasn't there!

Bobad - 💤

Teribus - 💤

Keith - 💤💤💤💤💤💤💤💤💤


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 10:33 AM

the persecution, ethnic cleansing an massacres of en entire national group on behalf of a fascist state.

Yes, that is what was done to the Jews by Hitler and his associates. No one here has defended that but there are some who defend the current fascists who have the same agenda.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:57 AM

The oly deranged person is the one who spends the time defended the persecution, ethnic cleansing an massacres of en entire national group on behalf of a fascist state.

Yes, he does sound deranged.
Glad he never posts on here!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:53 AM

That wasn't snow, Mike. It was t'fallout from t'tripeworks...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:25 AM

"Jim, this is nothing to do with Israel!"
This is about whatever anybody who contributes to this discussion cares to make it - stick your censor's pencil up your censoring hole.
The oly deranged person is the one who spends the time defended the persecution, ethnic cleansing an massacres of en entire national group on behalf of a fascist state.
Watson is part of a plan to undermine the wishes of the Labour Party membership and he has shown himself prepared to do so wit the help of a foreign power (just like Trump)
The fact that part of the attempred denigration of the Party andd its leadership has been accusations originating in the Knesset makes srael very much a part of this discussion - just as Russia is part of any discussion of the American Presidency.
Do not attempt to interfere with anybody's right to give an opinion on anything, you fascist - who do you think you are, Benjamin Netanyahu?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:56 AM

Hi Dave

<" Snow in March, eh? Who'd have thought it :-) ">

That's nowt up ere. Went to watch Lancs play DEWrby in June some years ago and it snowed then and the day was cancelled.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:51 AM

Jim, this is nothing to do with Israel!
Your obsession is making you deranged.

This piece in Huff.Post 12 hours ago seems to support Watson's case.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/len-mccluskey-entryism-recapture-labour-take-the-party-over-tom-watson-video_uk_58d15315e4b00705db530c5d


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:49 AM

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:41 AM

"Whatever the truth of all this, how can anyone take them seriously with such shenanigans going on?"
Watson is a right wing crook who was forced to resign from Brown's Government because of his expenses fiddles
He voted for Blair's illegal war and against an enquiry into it.
He is also a leading member of Labour's Friends of Israel and is possibly a leading figure in attempting to implicate Labour in charges of anti-semitism.
The "shenanigans going on" are an attempt by the decent members to clean up the act of the party which has been in the hands of such people as Watson, and his fellow crooks for far too long.
You support the like of Watson and his ilk because he makes the right noises about Israeli atrocities - (see above)
"Watson was elected Deputy Leader by the membership. Why should anyone care what you think of him?"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:32 AM

What shenanigans there Dave?
She was a Remainer before the vote, but has since developed a positive view of Brexit.
She is not alone in that. Labour used to be anti-Brexit too.
Things change, and views and attitudes alter to accommodate a new situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 05:57 AM

I think that is perfectly true, Keith, and shenanigans is a good word for it. However when you look at this BBC news article and see what is happening to politics in general I think singling one party out as indulging in shenanigans is rather biased.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 05:13 AM

Re Labour, this week we have had the spectacle of the Deputy Leader claiming that Momentum and Unite are plotting to take over the Party, and he has a recording which seems to support that.
Momentum, Unite and McDonnell the Shadow Chancellor deny the charge and counter claim that Watson is trying to influence Unite's leadership election.

Whatever the truth of all this, how can anyone take them seriously with such shenanigans going on?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 04:22 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 02:59 AM

"you all seem to think that repeating lies eventually makes them true." - Shaw

Only problem with that Shaw is that you have yet been unable to pin one single instance of me ever having lied. As for repeating lies, how many times since December 2014 have you thrown your "Wheatcroft" lie in Keith A's face?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 09:02 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 08:55 PM

Yep, get that tail between your legs and slink off like the lying weasel you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 08:41 PM

Say goodnight to the folks, Gracie...🤡


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 08:34 PM

Well Shaw, you've been shown to be a proven liar, a bigot, a hypocrite and a Jew hater. Is that succinct enough for you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 08:19 PM

You see, boobs, you know I'm playing a dead straight bat here. You also know that the information I have about your double identity (which really is proof, no messing!) is contained in private messages only. You are gambling on the fact that it isn't ethical to publish them verbatim in the open forum. I can tell everyone here that your exposure as two people posting from the same internet address sits very badly with your denials and your specious claims that you were staying anonymous (whilst calling us Jew-haters and retaining your bobad identity elsewhere) in order to address the argument, not attract attacks on the man. It's all there in the threads. You think that your bad-tempered shouting and denials and insults are the way to divert away from this sorry stuff. Well that might impress your gullible little cabal but, well, as I say, bit of a gamble, innit! Don't worry, I'm a fluffy bunny really. But even fluffy bunnies don't like to be called liars by liars! 🐰🐇🐰🐇🐰

Anyway, enough of this entertainment! Sorry about the bad weather, Dave, though you seem to have sent it back!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 08:16 PM

Yahoo I'm in a top 3! In this sandbox that's credibility.
Unless one suffers from a peevish ignorance one needs to see that reading between the lines is not a form of lying but is rather simple supposition.

Unwashed public is obviously not politically correct but it was a challenge to come up with a term regarding people who do NOT know a lot about top secret programs concerning cyber warfare.
To be polite it is better to say "the uninformed" by all means.

As for the details of self expression, we all differ. You guys sometimes get lost in that forest of diversion. This thread is where I can rely on the bad boys to be itching for a fight.

I need no armor here since I have no ego to be damaged. I lost it and am delighted it is gone. When it comes to family however any nefarious harm would not go unanswered so do not think that no ego has anything to do with an acceptance of victimhood for loved ones.


I do not have an enemies list for any individual here since there is some nexus of agreement with anyone. Now back to the future of the next cyberwar...

The US dropped the first A bomb and the first deadly cyber strike with the interference of
Israel.
If you know or care about the advancement of cyberwar
What is your opinion?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 07:55 PM

Hey Greg, how's it hanging? As for spectacles I do need and wear them that's why I can see clearly. I would recommend a seeing eye dog for you and the pack though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 07:44 PM

Or, rather, you need spectacles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 07:33 PM

My mood darkens? In your dreams Shaw. You are the one who has been shown to be a proven liar. I see you're squirming now and trying to deflect, I'm enjoying the spectacle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 07:28 PM

By the way, boobs, I'm six foot eight, built like a brick shithouse and have fourteen black belts in so many different oriental combat sports that I've forgotten what they are. If a parking space is a tad too small I just lift my car gently into it. I run a one-man operation which shifts Steinway grands up flights of stairs for concert pianists. That one man is me and I don't waste money on kit. I can build a complete concrete toilet block single-handed in three hours without a ladder. If I were me I definitely wouldn't want to meet me in a bad mood on a dark night. As for Jim, I'm saying nothing, but I think I saw him once and he scares me...


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 07:19 PM

Funny, innit boobs, how your mood darkens when you're confronted by your own dishonesty. You know the truth, I know the truth, the mods know the truth, but methinks thou dost still protesteth too loudeth! That's twice now. You're lucky, mate. The mods chose to let it go whilst keeping an eye on you. We've probably bored them half to death with our nonsense by now and they probably think we deserve you. Have you complained to the mods that you think they're liars? Tell it to the Marines! 😂

The writing is on the wall! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin! You have been held in the scales and found wanting, old boy! Get thee to a vivisectionist!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 06:33 PM

Bobad, your cheating was confirmed by the mods

Nope, never cheated, you're a proven liar. If a mod told you I was posting under two identities then that mod is as much a liar as you. I don't need anonymity to call proven Jew haters what they are. If I were to meet you or Carroll in person I would not hesitate to tell you to your face what you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 05:54 PM

You have sent us that shite weather you were having earlier, Steve. Woke up to snow, sleet, hail, wind, rain and, quite possibly, an alien invasion this morning. Well, maybe not the latter but I never know what I can get away with on here nowadays. Daughters were trapped. One on the 8am bus that did turn up and one at home because the 8:20 one did not! The latter was the lucky one. Buses could not make it down the slope from Haworth to Keighley. Gritters were caught with their pants down. Snow in March, eh? Who'd have thought it :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 05:30 PM

Keith, boring. Bobad, your cheating was confirmed by the mods. You did it to be able to call Jim and me Jew-haters from behind a wall. You were caught. You and the guest, identical styles. The "anonymous guest" had the same internet address as yours. That fact was divulged, though not the actual address, before you go off on one again. Just to confirm that you were one and the same person. I have the correspondence. Bang to rights, mate! You blokes rattle on about us being a pack. Well you, Keith, Iains and Teribus have undergone convergent evolution in that you all seem to think that repeating lies eventually makes them true. Well I've told you now and I'm not bothered. Have you actually got anything to discuss?

Good news, chaps! I've finally fixed my drive. Now all I have to do is get all the mud off it. I have a gorilla broom and I need a cloudburst. Watch this space! Primroses are amazing this spring. I can see both mud and stars! Aurora amber alert this evening!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 05:18 PM

They had no reason to doubt its reliability. What reasons do you have?

Well, Keith, what this survey boils down to is that 2000 people were asked their opinion on which party they felt was too tolerant of antisemitism. Remember the question?

Do you feel that any political parties are too tolerant of anti-Semitism among their MPs, members and supporters?

That was it. It was, literally, an opinion poll. It asks about perceptions yet does not ask about any actual antisemitism nor does it provide any evidence of anything. Yet Teribus tries to use it as documentary evidence that the Labour party is more antsemitic than others. And you wonder why I question it?

Take a look at this article - key facts that you are probably wrong about - and then tell me how accurate public opinion is about anything.

Still, one thing in its favour for Teribus though. It does deflect attention from the Blackpool tower photograph fiasco,

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 04:26 PM

I f you like liars you must love SNL. I do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 04:08 PM

Considering your dishonesty before the rule change,

No dishonesty whatsoever - another whopper from Shaw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 02:59 PM

Steve and Jim,
You are talking this up in the same way as you talk up the "serious antisemitism problem" in Labour

I only quoted prominent Labour people and leaders saying it was a serious problem.
I did not distort what they said and can reproduce the quotes which were all from reputable media sources.
Do not claim distortion unless you can quote me doing it Jim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 02:48 PM

That post was meant for Keith but I see it applies very well to Teribus too!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 02:47 PM

Well let's stop repeating ourselves and just decide that you are, as ever, utterly deluded. Let's agree to agree on that. Good!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 02:46 PM

" I may make mistakes, Teribus, but I don't tell lies."

Oh but you do Shaw and I exposed them as such on this very thread if I am not mistaken. However if you want it one more time:

THE WHEATCROFT SAGA

How Steve Shaw "makes up shit" and what an acknowledgement and correction of an error looks like:

On the 10th December, 2014 the following text was faithfully and accurately posted by Keith A of Hertford in a thread titled "WWI was No Mans Land" from an article by Geoffrey Wheatcroft that appeared in the Guardian, 9 Dec 2014

"That series had been preceded in 1963 by AJP Taylor's rather vulgar book, The First World War: An Illustrated History, and Oh, What a Lovely War!, Joan Littlewood's musical pasquinade. The latter, which used the songs the Tommies had sung in the trenches, drew on Alan Clark's 1961 book The Donkeys – a largely fraudulent book, whose title derives from an invented quotation about "lions led by donkeys", that nevertheless made a mark."

This thread was closed on 18th December but the discussion continued on another WWI thread titled "I am not an historian but ..." in which Keith A made a passing reference to the passage quoted above on the 17th December, 2014

The Guardian last week described the work of Clark and Taylor as "fraudulent."

Steve Shaw questioned this and within an hour of Steve Shaw posting Keith A of Hertford replied as follows:

Subject: RE: BS: I am not an historian but........
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 11:22 AM

Ok Steve.
[The acknowledgement]
The Guardian printed a piece, by a Guardian correspondent, that described Taylor and Clark's work as "vulgar" and "fraudulent."
[The correction]

IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY:

Subject: RE: BS: I am not an historian but........
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 11:25 AM

The Guardian printed a piece, by a Guardian correspondent, that described Taylor and Clark's work as "vulgar" and "fraudulent" respectively.
[Further correction making clear what adjective applied to which author's work]

After the above acknowledgment and correction had been given in the "I am not an historian but ...." thread the complete passage from Wheatcroft's article was posted five times which when you couple that to the speed of Keith A's response and correction blows the Shaw theory of it being deliberate misrepresentation clear out of the water - and yet Shaw to this day still attempts to convey the idea that no acknowledgement and correction was ever made, which of course is a downright LIE.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 02:46 PM

Dave,

OK - So we have no idea how many people were asked or when and where it was taken so we do not know if the poll is actually a significant representation


No, but Parliament will know all of that and Parliament considered it a reliable source of information.
They had no reason to doubt its reliability. What reasons do you have?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 02:35 PM

Steve,
"with an identical political stance"
Twaddle! They have different editors, different journalists, different columnists and are independent newspapers. Identical my big fat bottom!


Opening sentence of "Observer" Wiki page, which Observer will have written,
"The Observer is a British newspaper, published on Sundays. In the same place on the political spectrum as its sister papers The Guardian and The Guardian Weekly"

Up your "big fat bottom" I think Steve.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 02:30 PM

Considering your dishonesty before the rule change, I would suggest that you are the last person on earth to call anyone else a liar, bobad. I may make mistakes, Teribus, but I don't tell lies. I don't see the point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 02:29 PM

Jim,
your sole argument that they are not common because "I've never seen one" is as mindless as it gets,

Nor has anyone else except you Jim!
How can they be common if no-one has ever seen them except a well known Mudcat liar?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 02:07 PM

I expcted on troll to back another
As I said to him - prove it
I don't tell lies - you people are such eejits that I don;t have to
A least I don't dredge up filth from fascist sites like The Whitte Supremist then deny having done it
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 01:51 PM

Prove it

He has, many times, do keep up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 01:26 PM

"Three people on this forum have proven themselves to be liars:"
Prove it - and didn't you miss the supreme one - your friend Keith
You don't overburden yourself with accuracy either with your edited and unlinked cut-'n-pastes.
You are trolling with the best of them now
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 12:38 PM

"Beyond the unwashed public's private and personal opinions of ......... (Whatever)

There you go Donuel - that is the attitude of the "liberal" Democrat elite that won Donald J Trump the 2016 US Presidential Election.

Three people on this forum have proven themselves to be liars:

1: Yourself
2: Steve Shaw
3: Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 11:19 AM

"87% responded that they thought the Labour Party were too tolerant of anti-Semitic behaviour;"
Given the massive campaign instigated by the people opposing BDS, it's surprising that the percentage isn't higher
The gutter press must be losing its edge
That same survey also finds that 45% of British people believe at least one stereotype of Jewish people is true, one in four believe two stereotypes and 17% believe three stereotypes.
2015 saw the largest rise in antisemitic crime recorded ever recorded in Britain with a rise of 26% in antisemitic crime and 51% leap in violence against Jews
It would be totally stupid to ignore the fact that this rise coincides with the massacres that were being reported from Gaza nightly on on our television screens.
There can be no other reason for that rise.
Implicating the Jewish people as a whole in Israeli war crimes is bound to have a detrimental effect on the safety and well-being of the Jewish people as a whole.
If you believe it to be antisemitic to criticise Israel's behaviour towards the Palestinians, then equally, you must believe it is the Jewish people who are responsible for Gaza.
Just like "love and marriage", as the song says, you can't have one without the other.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 11:05 AM

Based on a brief overview it seems to me that Steve is taking the high ground to the annoyance of a few.

Beyond the unwashed public's private and personal opinions of Semitism or Anti Semitism there is an issue that involves the most forbidden subject in the US. It is Top Secret and Israel fucked it all up. Back then it was codenamed Olympic games. It has gone further in operation nitro zeus. It is about cyber war with Iran. That war is currently held at bay in part due to the American Iranian Deal.

The Obama Netanyahu feud was about stuxnet betrayal and not merely settlements.

If you are uneducated to these realities, and I don't blame you, but I would refer you to the film 'Zero Days' for deeper view of the issues at hand that we are forbidden to discuss in the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 09:29 AM

So, did the poll conclude that antisemitism was more prevalent in the Labour party than anywhere else?

You are just not getting into the swing of this Blackpool tower business are you? It was you that first mentioned the photograph -

By the way Gnome the incident you mention might have been that time in the summer of '75, I could send you a glossy 10x8 of it if you like.

So, you say you could send me a photograph and I play along with that. You then deny there was one! How could you? :-( Some will be bitterly disappointed.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 09:16 AM

About normal for most polls Gnome.

Why would you lie about an none-existent photograph?

What makes you think it was timed to coincide with anything?

IIRC Corbyn was elected in May 2015 the CAA report into anti-Semitism wasn't published until October 2015. When was it that the Co-Chair of the Oxford University Labour Club resigned again and what events led to that resignation would have naturally preceded the resignation. That resignation prompted the Royall Enquiry into the OULC, which in turn led to the Chakrabarti Enquiry into the Labour Party. Irrespective it would appear that the CAA poll was spot on the money.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 08:55 AM

Ahhhh. OK. Just short of 2000 people then. Not a significant sample. Wonder how they were picked? I also wonder about something. Mainly why it was timed to coincide with Corbyn's leadership. Still, may or may not have a bearing. What does have a bearing, and I note that you do not address the issue, is that the question posed does not ask whether there is antisemitism. Funny thing that.

What do you mean no one showed anything off Blackpool tower? The photo you promised arrived the other day and it does seem to be you. You mean it was not? Why would you lie about something like that? I have now forwarded it to ake seeing as he seems to have a fetish about such things.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 08:46 AM

Your poll of course is nonsense as the truth is that nobody showed anything off Blackpool Tower and we both know that.

The Campaign Against Anti-Semitism did however conduct a poll asking people - "Do you feel that any political parties are too tolerant of anti-Semitism among their MPs, members and supporters?"

The result (Of a real poll Gnome) was that:

- 87% responded that they thought the Labour Party were too tolerant of anti-Semitic behaviour;
- 49% thought the Green Party were too tolerant of anti-Semitic behaviour;
- 43% thought UKIP were too tolerant of anti-Semitic behaviour;
- 40% thought the SNP were too tolerant of anti-Semitic behaviour;
- 37% thought the Liberal Democrats were too tolerant of anti-Semitic behaviour;
- 13% thought the Conservative Party were too tolerant of anti-Semitic behaviour.

Wonder what it was that made those polled think that? The poll sample by the way was 1,864, their campaign started in 2015, same year as Corbyn became leader of the Labour Party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 08:43 AM

"But you sure like reading and responding to the nothing I have to say, so what that tell us about you........lol."

Well I have the good manners to read your links and respond to them. In the last few days you've done little except make unhappy sniping little remarks. Join the Iains-and-Teribus club, neither of whom seem able to post without including an insult or two. It makes you look incredibly foolish, which saves the rest of us a job I suppose!


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