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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 21 Oct 22 - 04:00 AM "I've just received a lovely photo of her with Mick Lynch. Treasurable or what!" Did she tell him that she has a brother who posts to a thread where a majority, though still only a handful, thinks that people like him are thick, brainwashed, racist twats? I did think of mentioning that when I was on a march in support of the sacked P & O workers (remember them?). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 21 Oct 22 - 04:32 AM WE shall celebrate if Johnson returns to number 10!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:04 AM Really Bonzo? I thought that you were a Hilary Benn fan. What is this 'we' that you speak of? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:18 AM Well I hope she mentioned me, but the rest of your post is balderdash. For a start, I haven't heard anything like a majority of posters here referring to him as racist. And in August of last year Mick promoted a "Respect" poster as part of the fight against racism, with an accompanying message: TO: THE SECRETARY ALL BRANCHES AND REGIONAL COUNCILS Dear Colleague, COMBATTING RACISM IN THE WORKPLACE – RESPECT POSTER As part of the union’s on-going fight against racism, in liaison with the union’s Black and Ethnic Minority Members’ Advisory Committee, the attached poster has been produced for general distribution. The message of “respect” continues to remain key in the fight not only against racism but all forms of discrimination and harassment. I would be most grateful if you could please bring the contents of this circular to the attention of your members. Yours sincerely, Michael Lynch General Secretary. You can see this letter, and the poster, on the RMT website. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:24 AM But he was and still is,as far as I know, a supporter of Brexit. I think that people who read this thread will be well aware of how a handful of posters regard Brexit supporters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:26 AM For a couple of years I've been expressing my view that Starmer is a born loser. Over the last few interesting weeks I've been mulling over whether I should publicly eat my words, but I have a horrible feeling that that would be premature. The talk is of Boris Johnson making a comeback. It seems that he easily has enough MPs behind him to get on to the shortlist. I have no doubt that members would then vote him in. In that eventuality, I'm confident that he would win the next general election. Just call me a glass half-empty bloke. I don't mind! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:29 AM So you think that all brexiteers are racists! Gosh... If you have a thing about trade unions "disrupting" the public, etc., let's be having your considered views on that. Otherwise, it's best to avoid lazy slurs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:43 AM No I don't think that all those who voted for Brexit are racist, unlike some others who post here who appear to. I am quite used to the fact that not everyone is going to hold the same views that I do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:56 AM If you could direct me to any post here, apart from yours, that refers to Mick or people like him (?), as thick, brainwashed, racist twats, I'd be very grateful. Otherwise, your slur holds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Oct 22 - 08:14 AM I really don't know who has posted on here that they believe all those who voted for Brexit are racist. I for one have often said that those who voted leave were severely misled by the media and politicians in favour of leaving. The race card was played by Farage and his cronies, particulary with the poster of hoards of dark sninned people waiting to come here. I have no doubt that racism played a part and, as the result was so close, it may have tipped the balance. Aside from that I have never said anything remotely like "all those who voted for Brexit are racist". Nor have I seen anyone else say it. Your statement is a classic straw man argument. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 21 Oct 22 - 08:40 AM What is this 'we' that you speak of? Mrs Bonzo and myself of course |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 21 Oct 22 - 09:45 AM not all racist. some were very wealthy. all were misled. all were happy to believe excuses for their racism. all guilty of damaging our country and all of us in it because they couldn't be arsed to think it through. perhaps now is the time for a total rethink in what it may be like to live in a modern progressive wealthy country, but first we will have to beg to be admitted to the EU |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 21 Oct 22 - 10:06 AM Not beg, I was excluded from the EU against my will, but DEMAND immediate, unconditional and full reinstatement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 21 Oct 22 - 10:13 AM The problem with johnson is it will never accept scrutiny, and any questioning will just result in bombastic, irrelevant lies, with no mechanism in parliament for these to be called out. All opposition can do is raise the questions at PMQs and present viable alternative policies and avoid eating bacon sandwiches. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 21 Oct 22 - 10:25 AM it seems like forever that the morning news has been the same - a tory mouth will take his/her turn to make lies and excuses for their most recent crimes and stupidities. it's just depressing and wearying. we (sentient uk citizens) can only assume that people who still continue to support this are really very angry with the rest of us and enjoy seeing us punished (remainer tears?) Fair enough but is this really the most important thing in your political assessment, your country? you idiots |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 21 Oct 22 - 10:32 AM Johnson has failed once, but the British seem to love people who fail, Lord Franklin,Lord Cardigan, The Young Pretender, The Old Pretender, Scott OF The Antartic, Eddie The Eagle, The Great Train Robbers.Donald Crowhurst, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 21 Oct 22 - 11:34 AM I wouldn't say the Great Train Robbers were entirely losers: the bulk of the money was never recovered, and there's one or two people who were never identified, let alone brought to justice. Alexander B**** de Pfeffel, and the crowd of incompetents he was careful to surround himself with, are more like the robbers in The Great St Trinian's Train Robbery, except that they're playing with real peoples' lives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 21 Oct 22 - 12:31 PM Fair comment |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 21 Oct 22 - 12:48 PM I would like to see a general election and a change of government. I think the most competent people to lead the Tories is possibly Sunak, I do not know much about Mordaunt |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Oct 22 - 01:06 PM So this would be Sunak, whose wife is in possession of utterly unearned £800 million and who was a untaxed non-dom until she got sussed? That Sunak? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 21 Oct 22 - 01:11 PM Good for her!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:17 PM Yes, that is the one. I would prefer a general election. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 22 Oct 22 - 01:19 AM A very good piece from Marina Hyde in Friday’s Guardian. It’s become apparent that the Tories are desperate to retain power in the face of the crisis they’ve inherited from themselves, but are they truly so insane as to bring back a serially-lying, morally-bereft degenerate as their leader and our PM? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Senoufou Date: 22 Oct 22 - 01:52 AM I have come to the conclusion that quite a large majority of the British public see politicians as people on those dreadful 'reality shows' on TV. They will choose a candidate who is 'funny', 'bumbling', 'dishy', 'woefully inadequate' etc. (I don't myself watch these ghastly programmes, but I'm thinking of 'I'm A Celebrity', 'Strictly Come Dancing' etc.) People don't generally see that looks and personality aren't as important as competence, integrity, political experience and effectiveness, regard for the needy not the rich and so on. If a General Election is called, I will vote Labour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 22 Oct 22 - 03:16 AM I was always surprised that you voted Tory before, Sen. You are obviously a person that cares about other people and I just could not understand why you would support the party of greed and selfishness. I guess if there is one thing this rabble has done, it is show people what they really are. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Senoufou Date: 22 Oct 22 - 03:25 AM Thank you Dave. My parents always voted for Labour, until they 'went up in the world' (father became manager for the GPO and covered the whole of West London, including Kensington Palace (interview with the late Princess Margaret about her telephone security!) so they became a bit 'posh' and changed their political leanings. I followed them and have voted Tory for donkey's years. But this latest fiasco, as you say, has shown the voters their true colours, and I bet I'm not the only one in this country who would now vote Labour instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 22 Oct 22 - 03:31 AM Bonzo, as a Conservative party member who will you vote for if you as a member are allowed to vote, By the way annoying lefties is deliberately trolling. if conservative party members are not allowed to vote, it would appear that they cannot be trusted by the 1922 committee and the Tory es6tablishment |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 22 Oct 22 - 04:36 AM I am not a Conservative party member, whatever gave you that idea? However, Mrs Bonzo is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 22 Oct 22 - 05:13 AM so who do you favour as your new leader and who does her in the doghouse favour. i am not a supporter of the conservatives, but since i know little about Ms Mordaunt, i would have thought the most competent person was Sunak, but bonzo you are probably better acquainted with the candidates |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 22 Oct 22 - 05:27 AM I don't want any of those scumbags. As far as I'm concerned, they have forfeited every shred of authority for running this country. If their upcoming new leader had any integrity, which they won't have, they would call an election immediately. They won't, because hundreds of Tory MPs would be down the job centre by Christmas if they did. The first priorities for any Tory are survival of the party and their individual wealth-grabbing at all costs. The interests of the country come a very poor second. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Doug Chadwick Date: 22 Oct 22 - 05:53 AM The first priorities for any Tory are survival of the party and their individual wealth-grabbing at all costs. The interests of the country come a very poor second. The first priorities for any DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 22 Oct 22 - 06:24 AM Surely they will not call an election until as many MPs as possible get the chance to resign from a ministerial appointment - 3 months easy money. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 22 Oct 22 - 06:41 AM There are degrees, Doug. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 22 Oct 22 - 08:05 AM I do not want any of them either ,that is not the point,but since they will not call an election who is the one that is likely to do the least damage or alternatively lose the next election . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 22 Oct 22 - 10:48 AM They will all do damage. They don't have the interests of ordinary people at heart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 23 Oct 22 - 06:00 PM while i'm pleased that johnson is not going for the top job, no doubt he will continue to make the story all about him. Again, good news - though obviously it's bad form to knock a party when it's down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 23 Oct 22 - 06:10 PM One down: Alexander B**** de Pfeffel has withdrawn from the race for No 10. Tentatively *phew*. Oh, and if you read his statement about why, remember he's a chronic liar. .... The poor lassie announcing this on the BBC News 24 newspaper review (while they waited for the front pages to be updated) may have problems, and said so on air. For some reason, she couldn't help giggling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Oct 22 - 06:19 PM "The former Labour leadership contender Rebecca Long-Bailey has called for Labour to drop its cautious approach to the economy and fight the next election on a radical manifesto including state ownership and a living standards contract between government and public." [source: Guardian] Well you should see the reaction to this. Dozens of posts below the line in the Guardian, of all places, variously telling her to shut up, that she's handing the next election to the Tories, that she should be a better tactician, that she's handed the scummy tabloids a gift, etc. Well she's hardly stretched the bounds of acceptable free speech, has she. As I've said so many times, the left in Labour have always been there and will always be there. What happened to the "broad church," fer chrissake! Labour can't win elections while the right wing of the party will always crawl out of the woodwork with this kind of frightened bollix. Half a million of us joined Labour in those days of hope when a true left-winger and man of principle became our leader. We are still here, by and large. I don't want bloody tactics, I don't want pandering fearfully to the mass media, I don't want "pragmatism," I don't want "power at all costs." I want a bit of principle, and I have enough faith to believe that an all-embracing Labour Party that welcomes all shades of left opinion would win through. Now that we have Sunak, it's clear to me that the unprincipled and weak Starmer is absolutely not the man. Honestly, I really want to be wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Mr Red Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:06 AM Whatever you say about Boris, he is a survivor. Listen to history. The prospects are that with the buffo back, the silent majority, who would overwhelmingly vote him out, ie "the country" would be heading to share a disaster. More than it seems to be right now. I recommend a siege mentality. Hoarding non-perishables. With inflation as it is - it would also save a small amount of money (think graphical triangles). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:54 AM johnson 'a survivor'? looks to me like a heart attack waiting to happen. if he does survive he seems likely to be a declining, farcical, increasingly marginal figure - lets hope so... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 24 Oct 22 - 04:44 AM > siege mentality Already there, ol' boy. Upstairs, we have a hoard of non-perishables and medium-term perishables, on which we do careful stock rotation. Herself calls it the Brexit Stash, which shows how long ago we've been maintaining it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 24 Oct 22 - 08:14 AM Steve, the Guardian is a Paper that traditionally supported the liberal Party, AND IMO it still is |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 24 Oct 22 - 09:08 AM 7 mins ago The Guardian says Rishi Sunak is new PM. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Oct 22 - 09:39 AM It's certain to be made official. It's time now for the opposition parties to stop bleating about a general election. We know it would be the right thing to do, but it isn't happening. Sunak will steady the Tory ship and will, I think, see out the full term of this government. What Labour needs to do now (apart from being secretly thankful that they haven't inherited the poison chalice) is to work bloody hard on putting a genuine alternative to the British people. That does not mean doing a Blair-lite and it does not mean shutting up the left of the party. Unless I'm wrong about the timing of the next election, I feel that Starmer can't cut it and that we are doomed to another Tory term. God, I can be gloomy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 24 Oct 22 - 01:07 PM I do hope this puts an end to the incompetance and dishonesty. We know it will not be good for the electorate, particulary the poorest, but at least we should be able to trust that the government will no longer flout laws and play footloose with the truth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Oct 22 - 02:42 PM Grr. I should have said poisoned chalice, not poison chalice! At least I got there before the pedants swooped in... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Nigel Parsons Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:06 PM . . . the vessel with the pestle No, you want the chalice, from the palace! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:09 PM Re Ready4Rishi NOT, Gandhi (rightly) did NOT want Europeans in power in Asia (using non-violent non-cooperation against it) & I, frankly, don't want Asians in power in my country; it's our world/our U.N. that should be multicultural. You are a racist. And you are toast. ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:37 PM Sunak was born in Southampton General Hospital. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:46 PM Incidentally, he's a British citizen and his parents came here from Africa. Nowt like checking your facts. |