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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 24 Oct 22 - 04:32 PM Do you really expect to get away with racism like that WAV? And think people will put up with it? You need help... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 24 Oct 22 - 04:43 PM So, after the pink gammons and blue rinsers of the rank and file Tory membership reject a dark skinned leader, the parliamentary party reverse that decision. You couldn't make this stuff up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Oct 22 - 04:47 PM This might take a few minutes - don't turn off your PC!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 24 Oct 22 - 05:22 PM " I, frankly, don't want Asians in power in my country; it's our world/our U.N. that should be multicultural." Ye gods do we really have to be subjected to this sort of racism? There you go Bonzo.
Nope. He's history. Too many times he has posted his racist views. The note in the record is clear - don't let him back in again. ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Oct 22 - 06:35 PM I mentioned Becky Long-Bailey yesterday after she made a perfectly reasonable pitch for traditional Labour values. She's on Peston tonight and has articulated again just the bold line that Labour must take from now on if we want the Tories gone. One thing's for sure (and I keep on saying it...): the left will not go away and you try to drive them out at your peril. They will always find a voice in trade union branches and local constituency Labour Party branches. Even down the pub if I'm down there. Watch and learn, Sir Keir. We belong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 01:27 AM I’m not sure KS spends much time perusing the BS-section of a little-known, ostensibly Blues-and Folk-music oriented, Internet forum! Or any of the major players in UK political life, for that matter. And I doubt that any of them, irrespective of Party-affiliation, would give a toss about what half-a-dozen old crocks arguing the same-old, same-old over and over ad nauseam think anyway. ;-) Meanwhile, we’re stuck with the Tories and Sunak until 2024. Hopefully, though, we’ll see the back of Coffey before she has a chance to do too much damage - if ever there was a perfect example of someone promoted beyond their abilities, she’s surely it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 04:55 AM …and isn’t it a bit ironic that someone who looks like an alcoholic and a heart-attack-waiting-to-happen should be in charge of the NHS anyway! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 05:02 AM Hmmm. When old crocks, whether here or down the pub, stop talking about politics, democracy stops too. I understand that Putin, for example, has promoted an ethos in Russia that completely discourages anyone from talking politics, to the extent that most people are no longer interested. I don't think that's safe. Same old, mebbe. But while we're free to do it, we should do it. Or perhaps mention of the left makes you rather uncomfortable...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Oct 22 - 05:25 AM "Meanwhile, we’re stuck with the Tories and Sunak until 2024" Don't include me in your "we". The next United Kingdom general election is scheduled to be held no later than January 2025. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Donuel Date: 25 Oct 22 - 06:10 AM You with the sad eyes It's hard to take courage In a world full of people The darkness inside you Can make you feel so small some have taken all they can bear I see your true colors Shining through I see your true colors So don't be afraid to let them show Your true colors True colors are revealing I see your true colors Shining through (true colors) I see your true colors Your true colors reveal your hate Like a tantrum This world makes you crazy I see your true colors Shining through I see your true colors shining through (some of you) hate some colors Mmm mm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Donuel Date: 25 Oct 22 - 06:43 AM Sunak only has 100 million dollars but his wife has way more via her father's billion dollar business in India. I'm sure he will relate to your needs ;*/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 07:47 AM ”Or perhaps mention of the left makes you rather uncomfortable...?” Not uncomfortable at all Steve - I’m the guy who has repeatedly appealed here for all elements of the LP, no matter whether Left, Right, or Centre, to stop fighting each other, get together and co-operate, compromise where necessary, and work to serve the people who need a Labour government the most. I’m currently enjoying a relaxed RLB making mince-meat of that cockwomble, Bim Afolami, on Politics Live. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 11:29 AM Yep, she's good. But, instead of employing the talents of an articulate leftie such as Becky, Starmer sidelined her as soon as he could on the flimsiest of pretexts. That's what the right wing of Labour mean when they "call for unity." It means agree with me and toe the line or you're out. Even if it takes the Big Lie to get rid of an inconvenient leftie ("Corbyn is an antisemite"), they won't hesitate to do it, even if it means giving a bunch of pro-Bibi lying toads free rein. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 12:30 PM Like you, I regretted Starmer’s sacking of Rebecca, but the truth is that neither you, nor I, nor anyone else here, knows the full, unvarnished truth about what went on behind closed doors at Labour HQ, or in the Leader of the Opposition’s Office in Westminster, so I try not to leap to judgment. Whatever, I’m hoping that the fact she was put up to appear on Politics Live representing the LP today is an indication of her star being in the ascendence once more. Hopefully, Starmer and his inner circle have realised that there are those on the Left of the Party, Rebecca being just one, who have much to contribute as the next GE comes closer. And as someone who is not, has never been, and will probably never be, a member of the LP, I have no idea what Labour members actually mean when they ‘call for unity’ (and I strongly suspect that what you state above as ‘fact’ is actually nothing more than guesswork in support of the defensive position you’ve taken over the Left’s failure to gain real and permanent traction in the Party in recent times). However, what I do know after fifty years of working in senior management in Engineering, Mining, Shipping, and Plastics Processing, are the true meanings of the words ‘co-operate’, ‘compromise’, and ‘unity’, and when I use them in regard to the LP, I mean them in precisely their true meaning - nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not in the skewed sense of the words you always seem to infer whenever this issue is raised. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Oct 22 - 01:02 PM From an interesting small newsletter called Wall Street on Parade a look at the new UK Prime Minister: A Former Goldman Sachs/Hedge Fund Guy Is the New U.K. Prime Minister The newly installed U.K. Prime Minister, Rishi Sunak, (the third PM in seven weeks) has scrubbed his Goldman Sachs and hedge fund career from his LinkedIn profile and from his official government bio. But, unfortunately for Sunak, those careers have been assiduously chronicled in countless newspaper articles for more than a decade – and not in a good way. The rest is at the link. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 01:07 PM It isn't a question of the left trying to gain traction. To me, the Labour Party, which, in case you've forgotten, sprang out of the trade union movement, is the natural home of left-wingers, or real socialists if you like. But I don't want a party of just lefties, nor do I want undue traction. What I don't want is Tory-lites such as Blair and Starmer telling lefties where to get off and trying to make Labour "a party of the narrow middle ground." I like the notion of the broad church. As I said, the left are not just going to go away because Starmer et al bully them out of the party. By the way, it was plain for all to see what was going on with the harassment and eventual expulsion of Corbyn, and it was plain to see how a trivial throwaway remark from Becky was the pathetic excuse to demote her. Principles don't come into it, but running scared of the Daily Mail definitely does. He's a follower, not the fearless leader we sorely need. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 25 Oct 22 - 01:17 PM there seems to be a lot that is very murky in sunak's financial dealings, he seems like quite a ruthless operator in some contrast to his rather well-mannered, youthful even kindly manner - his adolescent wrists remind me of the very young Peter Capaldi's character in Local Hero rather than the bully in The Thick of It. However, his reappointment of Suella Braverman tells us exactly what he's about |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Oct 22 - 03:22 PM The Shadows, greatest instrumental band of all time, play Theme from Local Hero !!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Oct 22 - 03:48 PM Nowhere near as good as Mark Knopfler's original Bonzo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Oct 22 - 03:56 PM In what way? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 04:22 PM Agreed, Pete. I have zero respect for Sunak. Knowing that he's contemplating Braverman means I now have even less (is that even possible?). Soft faces, hard cases, hit you with their deadly smile... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 04:34 PM He’s made Sue-Ellen (allegedly her real name, she reportedly adopted ‘Suella’ to avoid the obvious connection with ‘Dallas’) Home Secretary. So she’s back in the job she baled out of only recently. Wonder what’s happened to Coffey? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 04:59 PM She's still there. The fat alkie is now environment secretary. This guy hasn't got a bloody clue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 05:01 PM Jeeeeee-zus wept! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 05:11 PM And Gove the Lying Scottish Viper is the Levelling-up Secretary. This would be the Michael Gove who gloated that ”The happy south stamps over the cruel, dirty toothless face of the northerner.” What was that bollocks they’ve been spouting about ‘Compassionate Conservatism”? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 25 Oct 22 - 05:36 PM shadows? local hero? no, it was mark knopfler and pretty good too. i don't really understand your last post but i assume it's totally unnecessary, cruel and racist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 06:23 PM The out-of-touch Sunak has shat in his own bed by appointing divisive and incompetent arseholes to his cabinet. Coffey, *unt, Gove, Cleverly (the most misnamed man in the world), Raab, Braverman... This clumsy attempt to "reach across the whole party" has ensured that he is now the feckless captain of a ship of fools. God help us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Oct 22 - 12:51 AM Ah yes, Michael Gove back as the Minister for Levelling-up - his views on Northeners as ‘cruel, dirty, and toothless’ are well-documented. Odious little w**ker. https://northeastbylines.co.uk/goves-comments-on-northerners-the-westminster-attitude-towards-our-region/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Oct 22 - 01:59 AM Oops! Double-posted (kinda)! Oh well, it can’t be stressed too strongly and too many times what a disgusting reptile - even by Tory standards - Gove is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 26 Oct 22 - 04:46 AM I do agree with you there, can't stand the man - prime candidate for a one way bus trip to Beachy Head in the front seat!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Oct 22 - 11:21 AM Jacob Rees Mogg quit - isn't he one of the BNP folks from several years ago? Or am I thinking of someone else? Back when the Troll was stalking Mudcatters (~2009-2012) we all got a lesson on BNP and EDL, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Oct 22 - 11:53 AM You're thinking of someone else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Oct 22 - 12:31 PM He’s a leading-light in the ERG - the European Research Group (which is nothing of the sort, it’s a semi-secret society of wealthy EU-Haters and Tax-Dodgers, formed when the EU announced they were changing the tax laws to make offshorers pay taxes where their offshored funds were earned. Perhaps you’re thinking of that group, Maggie? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Oct 22 - 01:53 PM No, it was another three-named individual, I'm sure it will come to me. There's probably a similarity I'm picking up on. Meanwhile, what does Mr. Rees Mogg's departure signify? A good thing or a bad thing, or something that can't be characterised on that simple binary? (I thought the headline about "the member for the 18th Century" was interesting.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 26 Oct 22 - 04:14 PM Can you imagine the divisive and incompetent arseholes that Corbyn would have appointed to his cabinet - Abbopotty for a start !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Oct 22 - 04:27 PM Pure fantasy Bonzo. The sad little group of human detritus just appointed to the cabinet is fact. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Oct 22 - 06:08 PM ”Can you imagine the divisive and incompetent arseholes that Corbyn would have appointed to his cabinet - Abbopotty for a start !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!“ Whataboutery. The last refuge of someone trying to defend the indefensible. Bonzo loses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 26 Oct 22 - 06:17 PM It may have escaped your attention Bonzo, but Jeremy Corbyn (a thoroughly decent man) has not been the leader of the Labour Party for about 18 months. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Oct 22 - 02:41 AM It's not even whataboutary, Backwoodsman, it is whatifism! If ifs and ands were pots and pans, there'd be no work for tinkers' hands... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 27 Oct 22 - 03:05 AM Shell have just announced over 8 bilion profit |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Oct 22 - 04:34 AM Good one, Dave! And, of course, whenever a Tory starts up with the “Think how bad it would be if Corbyn were in charge…” horse-shit (which they do with monotonous regularity) you know that they know they’re completely our of ammunition, and are unable to put forward any meaningful defence of the absolute mess their Party has got itself (and the country!) in to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 27 Oct 22 - 06:14 AM this 'what if corbyn...' nonsense is easily answered with 'all you tory ministers worked with/lied for and excused the most criminal and disgraceful PM ever....' And by the way no group like Momentum or Militant ever influenced anything outside the labour party, whereas the ERG and related ruthless and nasty splinter groups have caused huge and continuous damage to the country |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Nigel Parsons Date: 27 Oct 22 - 06:47 AM The line about: “Think how bad it would be if Corbyn were in charge…” is only used (I assume) because his were the principles in the latest (2019) General Election Labour Manifesto. That makes them the general principles and positions of the opposition party (until changed). If the Labour Party start telling us what their plans would be, if elected, then comparisons can be made with the current opposition. But such information does not seem to be forthcoming. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Oct 22 - 08:05 AM ”If the Labour Party start telling us what their plans would be, if elected, then comparisons can be made with the current opposition. But such information does not seem to be forthcoming.” Any competent businessman/woman will tell you that you don’t set out your bargaining position for your competitors to see prior to negotiations commencing. Neither should a political party set out, several years in advance of a GE, what it’s manifesto wil be, or may be, when the GE comes around. we are two years away from the next scheduled GE, and things may well have changed radically by then, warranting different policies. The Opposition’s job is to oppose the actions of the government, not to act as the government’s advisor or unofficial ‘think-tank’. Only an idiot would give his opponents two years’ notice of his election plans. Ever heard the expression ‘Keeping your powder dry’? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Vincent Jones Date: 27 Oct 22 - 08:16 AM Pete, old horse, I'm pretty much in agreement with you, but "the most criminal and disgraceful PM ever"? Nah. No matter what over-privileged knob the Tories put into Downing Street, I think we should always remember that Desmond Tutu wanted Anthony Blair to be put on trial for war crimes. I don't think Johnson, nasty piece of work though he was, reached quite that level of venality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Oct 22 - 08:30 AM Comparisons between what is actually happening and what may have happened in the past or could happen in the future are pointless, Nigel. Besides which, Bonzo was trying to compare the current actual real-life cabinet with one that may or may not have been selected had Corbyn been elected. Labour policy then or now would not have told us who was going to be on the cabinet in what position anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Oct 22 - 10:56 AM They know, Dave. It’s nothing more than deflection and distraction, born of impotence in the face of the Tories’ self-inflicted disasters caused by their own arrogance, greed, and selfish ambition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Oct 22 - 04:18 PM dum de dum de dum |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 27 Oct 22 - 04:48 PM I wonder if we will get the same response when somebodys partner gets their welfare benefits reduced or withdrawn by this government. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Oct 22 - 05:12 PM They'll just have to get a job won't they. |