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Origins: Belle Starr (Woody Guthrie)

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A PICTURE FROM LIFE'S OTHER SIDE
AS I GO RAMBLING ROUND
BELLE STARR
BOUND FOR GLORY
CLEAN-O
DEPORTEES
DO RE MI
DUST PNEUMONIA
EL DO RE MI
GAMBLER
HARD TRAVELIN'
HARD, AIN'T IT HARD
HIGHWAY 66 BLUES
I AIN'T GOT NO HOME IN THIS WORLD ANYMORE
I'M GONNA MAIL MYSELF TO YOU
JACKHAMMER JOHN
JESUS CHRIST
JUST THE FACTS, MA'AM
LIFEBELT WASHED UP ON THE SHORE
LUDLOW MASSACRE
MEAN TALKING BLUES
MRS. ROOSEVELT
NINE HUNDRED MILES
OKLAHOMA HILLS
PASTURES OF PLENTY
POOR LAZARUS
PRETTY BOY FLOYD
RAMBLING ROUND
RANGER'S COMMAND
RED WINE
ROLL ON COLUMBIA
ROLL ON THE DAY
SHIP IN THE SKY
SO LONG IT'S BEEN GOOD TO KNOW YUH
TALKING BLUES
TALKING DUST BOWL BLUES
THE 1913 MASSACRE
THE BLINDING OF ISAAC WOODARD
THE GRAND COULEE DAM
THE LADIES' AUXILIARY
THE PHILADELPHIA LAWYER
THE SINKING OF THE REUBEN JAMES
THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND
THOSE BROWN EYES
TOM JOAD
UNION MAID
WHY OH WHY


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Subject: Origins: Belle Starr (Woody Guthrie)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Nov 23 - 02:25 PM

Robert Rodriquez wanted me to find a recording of Belle Starr by Irene Salatan. What I found was a performance by the Kossoy Sisters at the 1971 Fox Hollow Folk Festival - Irene Kossoy Salatan and her sister Ellen Kossoy Christenson, with Tony Saletan singing bass:

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Subject: Origins: Belle Starr (Woody Guthrie)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Nov 23 - 10:21 PM

BELLE STARR (DT)
(Woody Guthrie)

Belle Starr, Belle Starr, tell me where you have gone
Since old Oklahoma's sand hills you did roam?
Is it Heaven's wide streets that you're tying the reins
Or single footing somewheres below

Eight lovers they say combed your waving black hair
Eight men knew the feel of your dark velvet waist
Eight men heard the sounds of your tan leather skirt
Eight men heard the bark of the guns that you wore

Cole Younger was your first and the father of your girl
And the name that you picked for your daughter was Pearl
Cole robbed a bank and he drawed the life line
But I heard he was pardoned after twenty years time

Your Cherokee love, Blue Duck was his name
He loved you in the sand hill before your great fame
I heard he stopped a bullet in 1885
And your Blue Duck's no longer alive

You took Jim Reed to your warm wedded bed
And from out of your love was born the boy, Ed
A pal killed Jim Reed by the dark of the moon
And your son Ed was blowed down in a drunken saloon

Then there was Bob Younger, you loved him well
He rode with the James boys out down the long trail
They caught him in Minnesota along with the gang
He died down in jail in the cell or the chain

You loved Mr. William Clarke Quantrill
And his Civil War guerrillas in the Missouri hills
He hit Lawrence Kansas and fought them still
And when he rode out, two hundred lay killed

They say could have, they whispered you might
Have loved Frank James on a couple of nights
He fought the Midland Railroad almost to death
Then in 1915 Frank drawed his last breath

They say it could be, they say maybe so
That you loved Jesse James, that desperado
Jesse got married, had a wife and a son
Was shot down at home by the Ford brothers' guns

Belle Starr, Belle Starr, your time's getting late
But how is Jim Younger, did you hear his fate?
He was jailed and then pardoned for all he had done
And he blowed his own brains out in nineteen and one


Eight lovers they say combed your waving black hair
Eight men knew the feel of your dark velvet waist
Eight men heard the sounds of your tan leather skirt
Eight men heard the bark of the guns that you wore
Belle Starr, Belle Starr, tell me where you have gone
Since old Oklahoma's sand hills you did roam?
Is it Heaven's wide streets that you're tying the reins
Or single footing somewheres below.
Belle Starr (Guthrie Website)
Words and Music by Woody Guthrie

Belle Starr, Belle Starr, tell me where you have gone
Since old Oklahoma's sandhills you did roam?
Is it Heaven's wide streets that you're tying your reins
Or singlefooting somewhere below?

Eight lovers they say combed your waving black hair
Eight men knew the feel of your dark velvet waist
Eight men heard the sounds of your tan leather skirt
Eight men heard the bark of the guns that you wore.

Cole Younger was your first and the father of your girl
And the name that you picked for your daughter was Pearl
Cole robbed a bank and he drawed the life line
But I heard he was pardoned after Twenty Years time.

Your Cherokee lover, Blue Duck was his name
He loved you in the sand hills before your great fame
I heard he stopped a bullet in Eighteen Eighty Five
And your Blue Duck's no longer alive.

You took Jim Reed to your warm wedding bed
And from out of your love was born the boy, Ed
A pal killed Jim Reed by the dark of the moon
And your son Ed was blowed down in a drunken saloon.

Then there was Bob Younger you loved him well
He rode with the James boys out down the long trail
They caught him in Minnesota along with the gang
He died down in jail in the cell or the chain.

You loved Mister William Clarke Quantrill
And his Civil War guerrillas in the Missouri hills
He hit Lawrence Kansas and fought them still
And when he rode out Two Hundred lay killed.

They say could have, they whisper you might
Have loved Frank James on a couple of nights
He fought the Midland Railroad almost to death
Then in Nineteen Fifteen Frank drawed his last breath.

They say it could be, they say maybe so,
That you loved Jesse James that desperado,
Jesse got married, had a wife and a son,
Was shot down at home by the Ford brothers guns.

Belle Starr, Belle Starr, your time's getting late,
But how is Jim Younger, did you hear his fate?
He was jailed and then pardoned for all he had done,
And he blowed his own brains out in Nineteen and One.

Eight men they say combed that black waving hair
Eight men knew the feel of your dark velvet waist
Eight men heard the sounds of your tan leather skirt
Eight men heard the bark of the guns that you wore.

Belle Starr, Belle Starr, tell me where have you gone
Since old Oklahoma's sand hills you did roam?
Is it Heaven's wide streets that you're tying your reins
Or singlefooting somewhere below?



Tune by Pete Seeger and Jack Elliot
Copyright Sing Out
@outlaw @west @American
filename[ BELLSTAR
TUNE FILE: BELLSTAR
CLICK TO PLAY
SOF

Looks like the DT lyrics are almost exactly the same as those in the Woody Guthrie Website.


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Subject: ADD: Belle Starr (Emmylou Harris)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 03:24 AM

Hey, there's another song titled "Belle Starr."

BELLE STARR
(Emmylou Harris)

My mamma and my daddy
Told me that love is a two-way street
But lately baby, you've been finding
New ways of dragging your feet

So come on, make your best shot
You don't have to take the blame
I'll be your Belle Starr
You can be my Jesse James

There's lonely people everywhere
From Abilene to Arkansas
The way they run for cover
You'd think love was against the law

Well I don't need a pistol, baby
You won't have to rob a train
You can be my Belle Starr
And I can be your Jesse James

I know you've done some hard time
Baby, and you've got your doubts
When you feel surrounded
And it's looking like there's no way out

I'll come riding to your rescue
All you gotta do is call my name
I'll be your Belle Starr
You can be my Jesse James

It don't take a genius, baby
There ain't no big mystery
You can't play it safe
And still go down in history
So saddle up the horses

'Cause we're headed for the hall of fame
I'll be your Belle Starr
You can be my Jesse James
I'll be your Belle Starr
You can be my Jesse James


Source: LyricFind (corrected by Joe Offer)
Songwriters: Emmylou Harris
Belle Starr lyrics © Kobalt Music Publishing Ltd.


Live performance by Mark Knopfler and Emmylou Harris: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU_3RGocuCI


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Subject: RE: Origins: Belle Starr (Woody Guthrie)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 04:30 PM

Hi, Thompson - I didn't really see that as "celebrating" Quantrill. I thought Woody did a pretty good job of reporting the essence of each of Belle Starr's lovers in a single verse. Some were good, and some not. Quantrill was not.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Belle Starr (Woody Guthrie)
From: Felipa
Date: 12 Nov 23 - 10:23 AM

https://www.biography.com/crime/belle-starr

https://www.grunge.com/645164/the-untold-truth-of-outlaw-belle-starr/


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Subject: RE: Origins: Belle Starr (Woody Guthrie)
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Nov 23 - 05:09 AM

Unusual for Woody Guthrie to be celebrating the Confederate thug Quantrill


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