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Can anyone learn to sing

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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Megan L
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 03:40 AM

Both Ian C and Peace quoted

"If you can walk, you can dance;
If you can talk, you can sing
old czech proverb. "

However a recent experience on youtube sincerely has me doubting the veracity of the proverb.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Rog Peek
Date: 01 May 12 - 05:45 PM

This thread reminds me of a cautionary quote from Samuel Taylor Coleridge:

"Swans sing before they die - 'twere no bad thing should certain persons die before they sing."



Rog


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,M
Date: 01 May 12 - 01:03 PM

Hi ,

Singing is not really easy. You need lot of practise to become a good singer. I recently downloaded a mobile app to learn singing.
I am more interested in learning Bollywood music but have found excercises in this
application very useful. I can see lot improvement in my vocal quality in last
few months.



If anyone wants to try its here:



http://gaapp.co.uk/




Good luck


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 06:06 PM

If I work hard and practice a lot then I can be an indifferent singer. Just isn't worth the effort when I am a good dancer anyway.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: *Laura*
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 02:19 PM

I've always had the problem that if I try and sing very loud it all falls apart. But I've just started having singing lessons (mainly because I want to audition for the Les Mis schools edition my theatre company are doing) and it's really helping my voice and my confidence.
I think everyone can learn to sing really - you just need to find a style you like, and that suits you - and get up the confidence to go for it!

xLx


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Peace
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 01:55 PM

If you can walk, you can dance.
If you can talk, you can sing.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 01:40 PM

Maybe anyone can learn to sing, but should they? After all, there would then be hardly anyone in the audience. I went to a local folk concert last night with 5 different groups of performers (about 10 altogether) and barely 20 in the audience.

An English poet, I think it was Samuel Taylor Coleridge, in "Epigram on a Volunteer Singer", wrote;

Swans die before they sing; 'twere no bad thing
Should some persons die before they sing

Actually it is a myth that swans sing before they die (or at any time; the common "Mute Swan" of the British Isles merely hisses, though the Whooper and Bewick's Swans which are winter visitors make a sort of trumpeting sound - I think the Whooper may be known in North America as the Trumpeting Swan, but am not sure). However all this does not, in my opinion. invalidate Coleridge's point.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: IanC
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 12:39 PM

If you can walk, you can dance;
If you can talk, you can sing

old czech proverb.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 12:21 PM

not had time to read all this thread yet..

i believe anyone can be trained to perform a song
to some degree of tuneful competancy
if the individual is confident enough
and puts in the work required to learn..

my problem which prevents me having the confidence
to move more centre stage
is i just cant remember lyrics..
not sure how much this is due to
under-developed personal skills and techniques of recall..

or plain and simple aging brain cell deterioration..

my mrs however has an uncanny photographic memory for songs
but no sense of rythm or melody whatsoever..

[she really loves kareoke, i'm not so enthusiastic..!!??]

i really envy mates who can work as vocal duos with their wives/girlfriends..


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Craiggy
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 11:23 AM

Ofcoarse ANYONE can sing. All you need is a voice and an ear.
Every human is made in the same way. Excluding deaf people, we all have the ability to listen, and all have the ability to talk.
That's all you need. Ofcoarse one needs to listen and learn, but everyone is able to sing.

:)
Craig


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Diana
Date: 27 Feb 03 - 12:54 PM

Hello, I believe that singing to a group or a singer you like will help your voice, I would never have thought I could even come close to singing in a Operatic style if it weren't for this band Nightwish I listen to all the time. However, I also felt like I was trying to copy her voice to much to where I was forcing my voice to go lower than it can really go. But now that I am taking voice lessons I'm starting to realize my voice is much higher(Which I never would have thought, because it sounds so hard)and I can sing to Nightwish but at my own range. But singing to singers you like I think that really does help, when you enjoy singing to something you love I think that helps you learn better.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: duncan the drifter
Date: 27 Feb 03 - 12:33 PM

I feel that most people can sing,however, I also believe that it takes lots & lots of pratice & confidence is a must.Without confidence there is not much hope.Like someone said find a singer you like & sing along with him,after awhile you will find your own style.I found that ? very interesting & enjoyed reading the many answers. thanks & have a large DAY


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 03 - 10:41 AM

Does anyone know any exercises you can do to develop vibrato in your voice? Thank You


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 06:30 AM

Diana, is there anywhere you can practice away from the hearing of your family? It really is painful to be laughed at when you are doing what you love. I applaud you for continuing with it- and I echo the others- keep at it!


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Carly
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 07:54 PM

Frank,

Your music teacher must have migrated from Maryland. I had the identical experience in a required junior high music class. I was told I was a valuable member of the class, however; I could sell tickets to the concert. I was a closet singer after that, until my college roommate, and the combined support of many FSGW members, got me to open my mouth. I am not one of the world's great voices, but there are people who seem to like my singing, and have even been willing to pay to hear me. Most importantly, I love to sing, especially in groups of poeple, and I will not deny myself that joy.

Diana, Do not let ANYONE keep you from singing, especially that interior voice of doubt that has been planted in you.

Mmario, I sympathize with your interior struggle. I still suffer from attacks of terror that I will open my mouth and people will flee.I deal with it in public by concentrating on the thought that whoever is listening will love the music, the stories and the emotions, and forgive my shortcomings.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Alice
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 07:05 PM

Diana, keep practicing and close your ears to the teasing and laughter. The exercises your teacher gives you are going to sound unusual to anyone who doesn't know what it takes to develop vocal technique. You are learning what it takes, your teacher is guiding you. Trust your teacher and keep going. If you have to go into the shower to practice, do it there or in the car, where the other people won't bother you. Don't give up. Those muscles you are training will get stronger and stronger as you build them up with practice.
IT IS WORTH IT IN THE END. Some day they will realize that you have become a singer because you were willing to persevere through all the training exercises and classes, and when you have that voice polished, no one can take it away from you.

Alice


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Frankham
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 06:57 PM

Diana,
Keep at it. Pay no attention to your father. I sense an agenda underneath his laughter. Your boy friend is right. The more you practice, the better you become and the laughter is irrelevant. Your voice teacher is not in the business of playing games with you. (I say this without knowing who it is but voice teachers have a vested interest in the success of their students.)

When I was in junior high school in California, I was asked not to sing but to mouth the words of the song by the teacher. The irony is that I have been able to make a living as a singer. If you love to do it, you will get better.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Merritt
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 04:39 PM

Diane,

Ignore all those who laugh and doubt. Find your voice and enjoy it.

Vibrato is a likely a vocal "technique" you can learn, as suggested above. For me tho', vibrato is part of my natural voice that I'm getting to know. The more I sing and relax into my natural voice, the more the vibrato finds its place, pace and proper resonance.

I'm not recommending an untrained approach necessarily, just offering a path that's working for me.

- Merritt


"It's all one big note." - F. Zappa


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Eddie
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 03:11 PM

I am interested to know, if after all this advice, you have learnt to sing ? mine is, practise inside your head.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: MMario
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 03:06 PM

Diana - thirty years later I am *still* dealing with the emotions caused by my family laughing at my singing; though intellectually I know that the people who tell me *now* that my singing is okay *are* telling me the truth.

Ignore the family.

The boyfriend may be biased; *grin*; but since he is encouraging you *don't* ignore him.

The teacher should be able to give an unbiased critique - you might ask for a review - what are my weak points, what are my strengths type thing.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Diana
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 02:54 PM

Hello everyone, I just have a few things I'd like to say that are bothering, that I'd like to get off my chest. I love to sing and now that I'm taking lessons I'm very happy, but when I sing my father laughts at me and this discouragers me alot, I also have my couisns who live up stairs from me that hear when I practice and they also laugh, saying I can't sing why bother taking lessons like I'ma big joke. This really hurts my feels and it makes me feel like I'm not reaching my fullest of potential becuase I'm scared to be a little loud because someone mite hear me and laugh. My boyfriend is that only one who supports me with my singing,he says I have a lot of potential. He said my family doesn't know anything about music so who are they to judge.but this really really discouragers me. Do you think if I really wasn't any good would my voice teacher have told me?
I don't know I think I have potential, but when my father laughs or says something all that goes away. Well thank you for reading this.

Yours,
Diana


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: sharyn
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 09:59 PM

For Just Amy: Just what is it that happens when your friend tries to sing? Does he or she have any significant hearing loss?


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Alice
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 10:32 AM

Diana, vibrato is a technique you can develop. Some people mistake a wobble in their voice as vibrato. Your voice teacher should be able to help you get a good sounding vibrato. Something to watch out for, don't let your jaw shake when trying to create vibrato. It should be produced without strain, but with strong breath support. If you don't have support, the vibrato can be uncontrolled (too much vibrato).

Alice


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Diana
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 09:48 AM

Hi, I have a question, does everyone have vibrato in there voice? or is that something that takes training to learn how to use? because I find it a bit hard for my voice to do that. In time with my voice lessons will I get to that?      Thank you,

      Diana


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Frankham
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:53 PM

Mary,

I admit that it'll be hard to find someone who doesn't like Linda's voice but of course I am a fan. :)

Frank


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Nevada
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 02:19 AM

To Steve T, (2nd message), & anyone else for that matter.
How can you tell someone to concentrate on the music, not the emotion, when the music IS the emotion???


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: mg
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 09:57 PM

not Linda Rondstadt? mg


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Frankham
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 05:31 PM

Diana,
It's been my experience that people with voices that are considered "bad" by many voice teachers have made a living as professional performers. What can you say about Louis Armstrong? He was great! Dave Van Ronk, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen and Mr. Dylan are able represented on recordings. Woody, Leadbelly, many many traditional folk singers have voices that are not considered to be particularly good by many voice teachers. I think that the most important thing a voice teacher can impart is how to save your voice without blowing your cords.

I think that one of the aspects of an acceptable voice is that it contains a "personality".

I haven't encountered a voice that everyone likes, yet.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Melani
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:24 PM

If you've got any kind of voice that's not totally irritating in the first place, yes, anybody can learn technique and sound okay. Last night I heard somebody who was previously really bad sound great, just because he had been practicing.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Stefan Codrington
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:01 PM

Hi!

Is anyone here of the opinion that what you eat can alter the effectiveness of your singing voice?

I find that when I have dairy products, my throat becomes more filled with mucus.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:59 PM

Hello Everyone, I would just like to know something I hope this question is not to odd but, I've noticed when my stomach is full because I've eatten to much or I am bloated,I find it harder to sing and practice breathing. I feel like I don't have as much air and I can't hold notes as long, like I don't have my fullest of potential. Is this normal? Thank you!

Helen


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Alice
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 07:43 PM

Congrats on finding a good teacher, Diana. Actually, twelve would have been a little young to start voice lessons. Some people will take children as students, but I really think until puberty is over and the voice has settled in that technical lessons are not right for a child's voice. You can see now when Charlotte Church sings that she has been pushed into doing repertoire that her voice was not right for... there is alot of tension in her jaw so that it shakes up and down when she sings. She had a young sweet voice that was pushed too early.

Learning how to preserve and use the voice has been one of the most gratifying adventures of my life (and I started lessons at age 44).

Alice


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Just Amy
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 07:30 PM

Diana - it sounds like you have a good voice teacher because those are the first things you should learn. Hurray. You go girl! 21 is the perfect age to take voice lessons. I didn't start until I was in college.

As a voice teacher I always thought that everyone could sing, but I must say that one friend of mine has totally blown that idea away. So, I will say that most people can sing but there are some (a very few)who just can't do it.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Diana
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 07:17 PM

Hello, Thank you for the encouragement I appreciate it :-) I think this is a great site. I have a another question how will I know if my teacher is a good voice teacher? My first 2 lessons I've already learned how to breathe, standing the right way and keeing my abdominals the correct way when I'm singing,and she plays the keyborad while I macth the note using vowel's like V, A , La, etc.. Well that's about it Thank you!

                                                            Yours,
                                                            Diana


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: pattyClink
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 04:08 PM

Diana, you are definitely doing the right thing. You will learn to make the most of what you have. More importantly, if your teacher is any good, you will learn how to not damage your voice while using it a lot. This is priceless stuff.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: NicoleC
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 06:40 PM

Hi Diana,

While it's true that the young learn faster, there's something adults have on kids when it comes to learning -- discipline and experience! I don't buy the theory that you have to start as a kid to be good at something. Whether or not it will "pay off" is up to you, and also depends on what your definition of "pay off" is. If you mean will you get better, the answer is YES!

Of course, I think 21 is pretty young to be worried about being too old :) Enjoy your lessons. You're never too old to learn.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Diana
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 06:30 PM

Hello My name is Diana, and I just have a few things I'd like to know. I am 21 and I've always loved to sing, when I was younger I would always sing to Opera like music especially this band I love Nightwish, metal band with a Female vocalist Opera style vocals there excellent. Anyway, With never taking lessons my voice was pretty good,not as good as I'd want it to be though. I wish I would have taken lessons when I was young, it seems like that's when everyone takes lessons. Instead at the age of 12 I took guitar lessons which didn't work out because I didn't have a passion for it. But now at the age of 21 I decided to take pravite Operatic voice lessons, I found a teacher in my area who charges $40 an hour It's a bit expensive for me but worth it. I've only had 2 lessons so far and now I'm learing how to breathe the right way, how to stand and how to keep my abdominals the right way as well, and I'm learing a simple song. I practice everyday for an half in hour. I guess what I am asking do you think I'm to old to learn being that I'm 21? and never before had much experience in singing. Do you think some people can't learn to sing even if they've practiced for years? My teacher told me anyone can learn to hold a note and sing but if they don't have a good voice then they won't be good. The thing is I already kind of have a good voice I just need to learn how to sing the right way but I have not develop my voice yet. with alrady having a good voice do you think these singing lessons will pay off? Well that's all So sorry it was so long, Thank you for taking the time out to read this I appreciate it. I hope to hear from you soon take care bye bye


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 09:50 AM

Alice that sounds fantastic!!!! Its wonderful to have your dreams come true. It sounds such a brilliant evening - its made my day just to hear about it.

Kris


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 11:29 AM

Hi, Janie,
Regarding finding the confidence later in life, for me it was the awareness that time was running out and at 44 I felt like I wanted to take private lessons to know what the greatest potential of my voice could be. I'm 51 now, too, and I just returned from a smashingly successful performance in Great Falls, Montana, for their First Night New Year's Eve celebration. I sang unaccompanied Irish and Scottish songs, mixed with instrumental tunes and accompanied songs, all acoustic with no microphones. I specified that I wanted a venue with natural acoustics and got an old bakery/deli with high old tin ceilings, brick walls. I had the audience hanging on each word as I walked among them singing. I set up at one end of the long narrow room with my son on mandolin and a bodhran player and my old classical Martin guitar (the fiddler in our group couldn't make it). Between instrumental tune sets I sang unaccompanied as I walked about the tables where people were sitting. One of the audience members later told me that it was as if everyone was aware that they were *really* listening again instead of being blasted by music coming from speakers.

I had printed a stack of cards with our band logo and some info about us. The back of the card had five verses of Auld Lang Syne. Through the performance of songs, as I walked among the listeners, I handed out the cards. At the end of the night, they joined me in singing all of Auld Lang Syne. I know it was a great experience for them to be able to be included in the singing, too, and not just on the chorus. There was a woman from Galway in the audience who came up to me at the end of the night and said she was happy to hear real Irish songs. Among others, I had sung Kitty of Coleraine, Easy and Slow, Skibbereen, The Flower of Magherally... I know that when I started taking voice lessons about 7 years ago I had an OK voice, but with the training and practice I learned to have the confidence to make my performing dreams come true.

The experience was just as I had dreamed to some day be able to perform, to sing unamplified, to be close to the people and have a personal connection as they listened. It was great!

Have a wonderful new year and enjoy those voice lessons.

Alice


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Genie
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 02:53 AM

Well, I never could PLAY the fiddle in tune very well, even though I took a couple of years of classes as a kid. But I could TELL it sounded bad, and I could tell when the notes sounded right.

In the case of my friend, it was not a matter of being a bit off key. He just couldn't tell an A from a C sometimes. Gotta be related to what Sharyn is talking about, though his voice was considerably higher than the lower range of his stand-up bass and he had CDs of male singers to hear. I'd imagine it's a matter of training your ear to hear what's there rather than anticipating.

Having said that about "not telling A from C," I've gotta admit that sometimes I sing harmony without intending to and don't realize I'm doing it until someone points it out (like the choir director who's trying for unison or whole-octave separations)!

Genie


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: BusbitterfraeScotland
Date: 24 Dec 02 - 08:35 PM

Yes everone can sing, some better than others however we can sing except those who are mute.
who just can't sing.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: sharyn
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 11:40 PM

Re: Genie's question (the person who can play in tune but not sing in tune): Sometimes people have to hear the melody notes in their exact range -- they get thrown off by octaves or even overtones because the notes don't sound exactly the same. Mathieu covers this in his book. If your friend is a man, get a man with the same vocal range to match notes with him -- tenor with tenor, bass with bass, etc. That should help. If it doesn't, have him have his hearing checked for certain frequency losses. If his hearing is O.K., it's an anxiety-problem or a listening problem and he can improve.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: mg
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 11:20 PM

I'm the opposite I guess of the person who can play on key but sings off key...when I was playing the fiddle people would always say to me..you know, you sing on tune...I'd say thanks and know what was coming next...so how come you can't play the fiddle on tune..don't know...I have a wide range of notes I'm satisfied with I guess..can't tell if I am sharp or flat and when I ask people always said both.

mg


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Janie
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 11:14 PM

It really strikes me how many of us find our voices in middle age and beyond. Might it have to do with the confidence that comes with maturity? Not confidence in our talent, perhaps, but confidence that it is really okay to do what you love; to do what feeds your spirit. Or perhaps its the confidence to try and sometimes fail or err badly in public, knowing that all you did was make a mistake like other humans do all the time.

I have been singing all of my life, but only in the past few years have I been comfortable enough in my own skin to relax enough to sing with confidence with other people. And as some of you know from another thread, I will be starting voice lessons next month, at age 51.

So many of you who have posted to this thread, and to other threads about singing and voice, are incredibly encouraging. Mudcat empowers music and musicians!

Happy Holidays,

Janie


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Genie
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 07:24 PM

Something that puzzles me is how a person can play an unfretted string instrument perfectly by ear and not be able to distinguish one melody phrase, or one note, from another when he sings.


I'd assume that this person, who plays stand up bass (in addition to guitar and mandolin), could be taught to hear vocal notes and melodies, too, but when I tried to work with him a bit, he really seemed unable to repeat a short melody line after hearing it, even when singing along with me or a record. Sometimes it was a matter of being off key, but other times he was just plain singing different notes.

He is neither tone deaf nor a monotone, and he can actually sing a few melodies that he knows really well.

Any of you voice teachers out there ever run into this sort of thing? I.e., someone who can play a guitar or mandolin, even an unfretted bass, by ear but can't "play his voice by ear?"

Genie


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,COCO
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 07:01 PM

Can anyone learn to sing? Of course you can,not saying how good you'll be. Like everything else we practice you improve as you go along. you sound like me,I memories songs pretty quickly and sing everyday usually its only my 2 dogs that put up with my singing. Still I love singing have always thought about going for lessons. Anyway I've sang in many public places ie: cafes takeaway food places parties and karaoke. I sang a meatloaf song this night and was told I'm a great entertainer but I would have to practice my singing. Of course that was a few years ago. They reckon my entertainment has improved{my singing}!!! well its not much different still it never stops me at least I'm out there having fun and expressing myself. Much more fun than sitting with your mouth shut silently wishing you could sing out loud....Go on,be like me'Live a daring life" JUST KEEP SINGING .. GOOD LUCK. I.d also like to add I have never drank alcohol so all my singing comes from my heart.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 01:44 PM

Think of Shane McGowan, if he can dare to get up and do whatever it is that he does, then anybody can.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 03:36 AM

Encouraging responses ...but in my case I think the jury's still out!
RtS


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: sharyn
Date: 22 Dec 02 - 12:40 AM

Yes, except possibly the deaf and hard-of-hearing (this depends on level of hearing impairment). The "tone-deaf" or "monotones" can be taught to sing by matching pitches, as someone mentioned above -- often tone-deafness is merely inattentive listening to pitch, sometimes caused by fear or anxiety. Normal human speech uses a range of pitches, so we all have the capacity to sing, unless we cannot hear.

There is a good description of how to teach "tone-deaf" people to sing in W.A. Mathieu's book, The Listening Book (Shambala). It's the chapter called "Tone-Deaf Choir."

Also, the singing voice responds to stress, illness, emotions and thoughts quite strongly: I have found that the more I am present with my thoughts, emotions, physical states etc. the better I sing -- if I know I am tired or ill I can sing in those states if I need or want to as long as I acknowledge that I'm tired or ill and take steps to enhance my singing: for instance, I once went to a ballad camp with a heavy head cold and was able to sing for two nights until three in the morning by drinking quart after quart of water. Take care of your voice and it will reward you. Pay attention.


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Subject: RE: Can anyone learn to sing
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 11:12 PM

Pete,
When I was in junior high school I was told by my chorus instructor not to sing but to mouth the words. The irony of it is that I'm making a living singing.

In high school I got terrible grades in my harmony class also. I make a living playing music.

Getting a good voice teacher does help a lot.

The most important thing in my book is find material that you are committed to...that you love...and sing that. Do only the songs you love. You'll be all right.

Frank


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