BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 06:55 PM

Yeah, the Washington Post did a short piece on "the rest of the story" in this mornings editiion. Page A-35, of course. The more we learn about this, the more it stinks... Hand picked soldiers for the photo op... Other's turned away to eat MRE's... But now, the revised edition of the story is that they could have walked back after 9:00 pm to have a Thanksgiving dinner???... Then there's the situation that has been revised 3 or 4 times now on just what commercial airliner spotted AirForce One. The White House is rewritin' this story almost on a daily basis.

I think that should Bush steal yet another election he'll porbably just make all these PR folks, for whom the taxpapyers are paying, and assemble them in a new cabinet level department called, ahhhh, The Department of Spin. Hey, thay can't just come out and call it the Department of Fabricators, can they?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 04:39 AM

"Exigencies of the service dearheart."
smug crap from the guy who loves the maybe real/maybe fake e-mail that supports his ideas but doesn't really want to hear about actual comments from soldiers printed in an actual armed services publication. here's another article with soldier commentary that you won't want to hear.
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1211-06.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 07:44 PM

Even Barbara Bush, when asked about Georgie as a boy, just rolled her eyes and looked away.

And, Gareth, when exactly were the Iraqi people liberated. And from whom. Or to whom... All our "liberation" has achieved is creating a much less stable and safe environment for the Iraqi people. But, yeah, Saddam was a bad man, right? Well, he was *our* bad man. We could have manipulted him into anything we wanted becuase he was a company player. Problem is that two Bush presidents decided that doing that wouldn't give their saggin' ratings a bump do they both manipulated Saddam into the Boogie Man...

What a rediculuos arguement!

"Well, we ain't got Saddam in power" they squeal in glee.

Well, no, we don't. Nor do we have the tens upon thousands of "non-Saddam" Iraqis either. Nope they've been killed by us... Good for populrity ratings on the NASCAR/Budweiser/CountryMusic cicuit, but bad for karma... If they wanted Saddam why didn't they just kill Saddam????

"Well, we couldn't find him!"

Bull! If Dan Rather could find him, don't tell me that the CIA, of Special Forces couldn't!.... The NASCAR boyz might by that, but I don't...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: kendall
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 07:25 PM

On a dead man's door you can knock forever.
No matter what we say, there are those who will never admit that this guy is a loser.

One of my good friends who worked at a Kennebunk hotel as a teen ager says George and Jeb were both arrogant spoiled little bastards who treated everyone like dirt. Spin that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Gareth
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 07:08 PM

Bobert

I suggest you concentrate on Bush's real faults and failings. Not trying to unjustify the liberation of the Iraqui peoples by confusing the issue.

OR is that to near asking for facts and details ?

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 06:01 PM

I noticing a curious departure here on his usual "War and Peace" length rebuttals. Seems that he has set the microsope off to the side since by Dec 3, 10;02 challenge to him to get the details, which as we know he loves, on the theft of the 2000 Election. Comes no surprise that he dismisses so easily the theft of a traffic sign.

BTW, some kids in Virginia are doing some serious time in prison for stealing a traffis sign. Sure, in the Virginia case, an accident occured as a result and there was a fatality. But that shouldn't matter. The signs are there for safety, not decoration. Yeah, I think that the T-Bird's is going to have to change his denials on, at the very least, the theft issue.

I think the drunk drtiving also point to someone who cares more about his own need for gratification at the expense of the safety of others. There is definately a pattern of behavior in this man that is far from virtues we'd like to think our leaders possessed...

I hate to tell ya' T but your star is falling. Sure, he may manipulate enough media and information to get re-selected but should Americans ever undo the damage he has done to America, and it's citizens way of life, all in the name of fighting terrorism, ahhhh, historians will not treat him well. These times will be looked at as examples of how not to behave as a nation. Just like the internment of the Japanese citizens in WW II and the McCarthy days. Same crap, different day...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 04:54 PM

Exigencies of the service dearheart.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 04:22 PM

Yes it is, Amos, and thanks. Don't know why I couldn't get it to work.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 04:13 PM

I believe this is the link you wanted.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 03:54 PM

interesting letter from the person in the unit turned away from the mess hall they are stationed near on Thanksgiving for 'security reasons' who had to eat MRE's so Bush could have his picture taken.
justify that Teribus?

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 03:21 PM

Hoo! Weirdness! Worked both times when I tested. Hope you all can find the article.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 03:19 PM

Sorry, link didn't seem to work. Trying again:

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=19144 ">">http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=19144

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 03:18 PM

Another perspective from a soldier on Bush's visit.

Directly from the Stars & Stripes:


Thanksgiving visit

So the boss came to visit us on Thanksgiving, under wraps and under the American flag. Thanks for coming. Oh thank you, kind leader, merciful leader, for taking one day out of your busy schedule to visit us. The shepherd looking over his flock. Thanks for making the sacrifice. God knows we're making one. Re-election is coming up, but that had nothing to do with it, now did it?

I remember your victorious landing on the ship. Oh how all those then alive, and now dead, would love to sit down next to you, cutting their families' turkeys and filling the empty seats at the tables. Leader of the free world, be our guest at the head of our table. Or would you like to sit in one of the many empty seats left by the war? There's plenty of room. Enough turkey and stuffing to go around. Fat and happy, delirious and exhausted. That's how I feel.

In a hurry? Going so soon? Have time for questions? You sure do have time for compliments. Do you ever feel responsible? I'm tired of this. Go back home to the ranch and tell them how happy and fulfilling the trip made you feel.

Spc. Damian Torres
Iraq

Link: ">http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=19144

Also read the letter titled "West Went Too Far."

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Peace
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 03:04 PM

Is the legal limit still .15? In Canada, it's .08. Wow. Gotta be better beer here, right? Now, there's a thread worth posting.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 01:35 PM

Lawyers name wasn't Conolly was it? Or was Conolly the guy the lawyer talked to about being in Court when GWB turned up to plead Guilty - only thing is GWB did not go to Court, he didn't have to, he paid his fine at the police station and left. Never been in jail either, that was another of Conolly's little spins, Conolly said of the incident "He could have gone to jail" and that was where the rumour started, plenty willing to believe it, but not one shred of truth in it.

"OUI is a crime" Quite agree, in the State of Maine, it is now and has been since 1993 and even today it ONLY a criminal offense PROVIDED:
The person arrested for that offense is under 21;
The person resisted arrest;
The person refused to take a sobriety test;
The person has a blood-alcohol level higher than .15;
The person was speeding.

Does not alter the fact that in 1976 IT WAS NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. That you can verify by reading your own (Maine) State's Laws.

He stole a sign while he was at College - well tickle my arse with a feather - Can't get much worse than that eh? PATHETIC

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: kendall
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 09:20 AM

Terribus, OUI is a crime. I dont give a shit how common it is. Furthermore, it wasn't his ONLY offense. He was convicted in Texas too, and he was convicted of theft in college. He stole a sign. Cut it any way you wish, he entered the White House as the only man to be president with a criminal record. Spin it until you are dizzy. What is, is.

You may have forgotten the incident when a local laWyer overheard a conversation that revealed that Bush had other convictions for OUI, and this lawyer got death threats from some rigt wing asshole. Death threeats for uncovering the truth about a lying phoney and a friggin' drunk. I suppose you also believe that "pretzel" story too?

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 09:03 AM

Back to the uniform thing Eh,

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 09:17 AM

Hey, at least his handlers didn't dress him up THIS time in a phony uniform he wasn't remotely entitled to wear. Perhaps that's progress- of a sort?

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 08:55 AM

Difference is the lawyer in LadyJean's father's story had a conscience and a sense of shame.

Dumbya has neither.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 02:59 AM

Liked your story LadyJean,

Reminds me of one about a guy called Ian Fraser RN, ex-midget submarine commander. He and his diver were both awarded VC's for a successful attack on a Japanese warship in 1945.

A few years after the war Fraser was in command of an inshore minesweeper. He was up in Scapa Flow at the end of a big exercise and the Flag Officer and his dog were using Fraser's sweeper as a mail boat and general delivery service round the fleet. While doing this he passed a ship, a cruiser, shortly after colours and failed to salute it. The Captain of this ship, or his First Lieutenant, spotted the error and summoned Fraser onboard "Sword and Medals" for a formal dressing down.

Fraser, got changed into his best uniform, while the officer of the watch brought the sweeper alongside the accommodation ladder of the cruiser. Fraser jumped onto the ladder and started to climb up, only to find the top of the ladder roped off. So drawing his sword he hacked his way through, only to discover the reason for the rope - they'd just painted the deck.

Not wishing to be late, he marched across the deck which had been painted in the usual Brunswick green. He came off the paint onto an immaculately scrubbed wooden deck, and leaving a trail of steaming boot footprints he stormed off to the Captain's cabin. On arriving he glared at the marine sentry and went inside, now leaving a trail of footprints on the Captain's carpet. Noticing this the Captain thundered at Fraser, "What the bloody hell do you think your are playing at" to which Fraser replied, at equivalent decibel level "Where's my f*****g Guard and Band?" The Captain did the gold-fish bit and Fraser continued, "You ordered me here stipulating sword and medals - now where is my f*****g Guard and Band?" The Captain eagle-eyed as ever caught the drift apologised and sent Fraser back to his ship.

As a holder of the VC, the Captain should have saluted him, on boarding the cruiser Fraser was entitled to be saluted on the brow by the Officer of the Day, a Royal Marine Guard and a Band. Nothing more was ever said.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: LadyJean
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 12:39 AM

I do rather take exception to Bush wearing soldier suits, and I wonder why our troops don't. Can you imagine Lincoln giving the Gettysburg address in uniform? Or FDR donning khaki. Harry Truman served in the first world war, but he wore a regular suit to announce the Japanese surrender.
It makes me think of my father's story of a lawyer, who came back from the second world war, and took to wearing his good conduct medal into the courtroom. (He stopped when opposing counsel turned up wearing a Bronze Star.)

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Peace
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 12:11 AM

P A R D O N me for that erroneous assumption. Thank you, Ebbie. And, so do I (have a Queen that is). On the bright side Treibus, our votes would have cancelled each other's, and that will have to satisfy the two of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 08:58 PM

brucie, Teribulis doesn't have a president. He does have a queen though.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 08:30 PM

OUI means 'operating under the influence?' Shee-it. I thought he said OK to some gal from Quebec. Well ruin my friggin' day why don't ya! Teribus: your defense of your President is commendable. I admire courage. I also admire people who know when to quit. So far, you're batting 500. Better than anyone in the majors. Try for 1000 will ya?

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 07:35 PM

Hi kendall,

Pleased to oblige:

"Drunk driving the most common crime in America.
   
OUI
The third most common acronym for drunk driving is OUI. This stands for operating under the influence. The word "operating" is actually more encompassing (and more accurate) than "driving" because almost all states make it illegal to "operate or be in actual physical control" of a motor vehicle. This means that you can be sitting in your car, off the side of the road, with the engine running and the car in park, and asleep, yet still be charged with OUI (or DUI or DWI, for that matter, in most states). The states that have OUI as their acronym are Maine, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island."

The above text is an explanitory paragraph for a layman facing such a charge today. The today is important.

Now let's put this in context, kendall forgot to tell us when this happened - 1976. Now according to "Title 29-A of the Maine laws", an OUI offense was not considered a crime, but a traffic offense in 1976. The laws on OUI offenses on the books today are tougher than the laws were in the 1970s but even under the law passed in 1993 the incident was NOT a "criminal" offense since Bush was:

- Not under 21;
- Was not resisting arrest;
- Did not refuse to take a sobriety test;
- Did not have a blood-alcohol level higher than .15;
- Was not speeding.

Has this any bearing on Bush being?

From Mr. B. Kennedy:

A coward - Certainly not. In fact quite the reverse. This revelation came to light just four days before the 2000 election. When confronted with the report GWB did exactly the same as he did on the night in question. He admitted the offence and stated that he fully realised that he was in the wrong. In 1976 he said that to a Police Officer, in the latter instance that was in front of the media four days before election - not the action of a coward.

A half-wit - Definitely, anyone who drinks and drives is at best a half wit, I could call them more. But he admitted it paid his fine and has subsequently never repeated the offence, so perhaps he has learnt his lesson - giving up drinking seems to indicate this

A thief - Nope

A cheat - Nope

A liar - Nope

Additional from Bobert:

A crook - No bearing whatsoever according to Maine Law in force at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: mg
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 07:34 PM

you can't let someone do a carrier landing when they are way out of practice, haven't qualified for a flight physical etc. etc...might not have trained for it in the first place 30 years ago... you can't be serious can you? mg

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 06:57 PM

His PR folks get the credit, Amos. The only thing that Bush is a master at is baitin'... You connect the dots...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Amos
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 06:09 PM

The ress didn't say he landed it. He probably just wiggled the stick a bit midflight. What is exciting about that is it is the President teaching the masses about PR diplomacy. He's a master.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 06:02 PM

Well, speakin' of smoke and mirrors, wouldn't Bush have to wear a uniform to land a plane on a carrier deck?

(Oh, he wasn't actaully piloting the plane? Hmmmmm? Wonder how many folks know that?)

Which brings me back to my challenge. I have offered a head to head competition with Bush on landin' a danged plane on a carrier deck and Bush has not responded and I'm not even a licensed pilot and haven't had even one hour of ground school. Yep, if wants to repeat (ha) his landing in whatever he landed I'll land a Cezna. Heck, he can go first if he wants. Don't matter. That's my challenge. But he won't do it. Why? 'Cause he didn't do it last time either.... But no one got around to bringing out that little nugget...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 05:08 PM

Well, it's been said before: put him in BDUs and send him and his advisors to the front. Then, see how long the war would last.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: artbrooks
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:47 PM

I haven't seen him in a uniform...although I also wouldn't go out of my way to look at him, either. The flight suit was appropriate for a ride in a jet (The ride itself is another issue, which has been beaten to death) and the jacket he's wearing in this picture of jis visit to Iraq certainly isn't part of a uniform. It seems to me that I've also seen him in an OD green windbreaker with a nametape on it, and that isn't part of any services' uniform.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 04:32 PM

Has there ever been a President who made a practice of wearing a military uniform? Even the ones who were actually entitled to wear miliatary uniforms because that's what they'd done before being President?

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 03:47 PM

I am of the opinion that the troops serving in Iraq deserve people's support. They were sent there at the behest of CIVILIANS. Not too many soldiers ever want to go to war. Those that do are a f##kin' lunatic fringe. No, these men and women did not elect to go there. The people that were elected sent them. It always struck me as a sort of blasphemy when people like Bush preen in a combat area--and that said--the troops had and have a right to be visited by the guy that sent 'em. I agree that Bush is less than admirable, but I wouldn't want to get the kids serving their country caught up in the rhetoric.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 10:02 AM

Yo, T-Bird:

There you go again trying to portray this ol' hillbilly as some kind of blind idealist who just invents stuff. Well, we both know that isn't accurate. If you want to be a pixil then that' your business. I'd rather be lookin' at the picture, thatnk you very much.

Now, as fir why there isn't "proof" that Bush is a liar, a thief and a crook all one has to do is look at who is in charge. We have the fox guarding the hen house and these foxes ain't gonna let no investigations take place that might allow the proof to, ahhh, like surface. Heck, a plane crashes off the New England coast line and we send divers down to retrieve evry danged piece of it and reassemble it in a hanger at a cost of millions of dollars. But let 19 Suadis hyjack 4 planes and use them as weapons against us and, other than invading two countries and running the Bill of Rights thru the shreader, we make little effort to look into why this could have happened, who knew what... and when? Go figure. Had Clinton been president, the Repubs would had an investigation that makes the Ken Starr circus look like a kids puppet show...

Now as fir the theft of the elction, same thing. The proof is there but the Repubs control Congress so you can bet the farm that there won't be an investigation on that one either. But you had a company with close ties to the Republican Party hired by the Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris given the power to remove felons from the voting rolls. Problem is that most of the folks who were removed weren't felon and most were black, who voted predominently Democratic in Florida in 2000. If you'd like the details, since you're a detail kinda guy, I'd be more than happy to share my copy of Greg Palist's book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy". He's got photcopies of documents and interviews with folks who worked inside the governemnt. If Ken Starr had this one to investigate, after reading the book, I'm surew you'd agree that it would be a slam dunk and both Bush's would be out of office along with Katherine Harris.

Now, as fir the lies. If the Congress was contolled by Democrats, there would be a massive investigation of the *Big Three* (WMD, Mushroom clouds and Saddam's link to Al Qaeda. But what we're seeing is sand-bagging and an attempt to run out the clock on this one. George Tenent has said that his folks told Bush not to play the *Nuke Card* but when Bush was thirsting for a war, he played it anyway. Now the revisionists are trying to shift the story back the other way. Give them enuff time and they'll have Bush being the the president who cut down the cherry tree...

What we have is a very corrupt government comprised of individuals willing to do or say anything to keep in power. You have Repubs in Congress who routinely lock Democrats out of comittee's that write massive legislation (Energy bill, Medicare). You call that democracy?

You've asked for details. Half the American people want the deatils, also but with these crooks in control, perhaps historians will dig them up after it's too late...

I have, however, provided you the resource on the theft of the lection, should you be willing and open minded enough to read the book I've offered. If, not, then so be it for your professed interests in details...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 09:39 AM

Al Capone never claimed to be something he wasn't, and he may have been a saint in comparison to dubya

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Kim C
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 08:36 AM

Even a broken clock is right two times a day. Why is it so hard to believe that the President might have actually done something nice? Even Al Capone was nice to the children in his neighborhood.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Peg
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 08:32 AM

I agree, Thomas, many of these military personnel may have been very cheered to see him there, and I guess it's better then his not gong at all, but to have it be all about a big publicity stunt grates on me, especially since the 'secrecy" and timing make it look like he was merely trying to upstage Hilary Clinton...

If you were asking how would I personally deal with being sent to Iraq,itis hard for me to imagine this since there is no draft anymore, and there is no way I would go in a military capacity because I would register as a conscientious objector. But, let's say civilians were forced to go and serve in non-combat functions. I would probably want to work in communications or in a journalistic capacity, or maybe as a radio announcer, something to help boost morale,or in some therapeutic capacity (yoga instructor?), or in away that helped rebuild thecities being destroyed.
But I find the majority of "career" military people I have met in recent years are not people I tend to have a lot in common with, even less so those who signed up in droves after 9-11. Talk about a jingoistic over-reaction. Now a lot of these pie-eyed idealistic young people are stuck in Iraq risking their lives so our administration can keep an eye on their oil investments. This does not strike me as noble or even patriotic, but naive and pathetic. So it would be a challenge for me to find a way to fit in. I do not believe people have a responsibility, in peace time, to die for their country in some arbitrary war with a region that does not threaten them directly.

when that

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: kendall
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 08:12 AM

Bush was convicted of OUI right here in Maine where daddy couldn't get his crime covered up. Now, Teribus, argue with that.
Clinton wasn't convicted of anything either, but we all know what he did.(White water)
If every crime that was ever committed by those low lifes in Washington, we would go broke building jails.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 07:58 AM

Minutes of 'Top Secret' Pentagon meeting

O.k. so we need to boost the President's popularity, and keep the public behind us in Iraq, what can we do?

How about we send him out there to fight?

Don't be stupid, he'd never agree!

A big meeting with all the commanders there, maybe for Thanksgiving?

That's better, but we want to catch the common touch.

O.k. a big Thanksgiving dinner in Iraq, attended by the big boys and other ranks, maybe by length of service, or a raffle?

Great, start organising it. Say about 500 guests drawn by lot from the lower ranks. But keep it quiet.

Shall I book CNN for the coverage? They can keep quiet until it's happened.

Better not. With CNN there everyone will think it's propaganda.

But it is!

Yes, but we don't want the public to know that. Some of them are getting cynical about the news releases we 'allow'.

O.k. I'll organise it, but keep it quiet. Can I tell the President?

(Pause) Yes, but tell him to keep it secret as well. And tell him to dust off one of his CinC uniforms ready for the occasion.

Some weeks later, after Thanksgiving:

Well, the Thanksgiving dinner went off fine, but I don't see the propaganda value, press coverage was sporadic, and it didn't make a big splash.

That's to be expected, did you get the file I requested?

Yes, "Censored mail report for serving troops in Iraq", here it is.

Good, now just find a glowing report of the dinner, either in writing or email, that makes the dinner look like the high point of a soldiers service life.....

Later
O.k. we're down to half a dozen, all suitably glowing and also naive. Any of them sent to a small community?

Why a small community?

Everyone knows everyone else's business, and that tends to keep them honest. Scams, sorry, News always comes better from honest people!

There's an email here going to a soldier's parents in Smalltown Idaho.

That's just what we need. (Walks to phone) "Hello is that the Smalltown Tribune? ... I was just checking, is it true Jenny Jones went to that Thanksgiving dinner with the President? .... Oh, you don't know, O.k. I'll check with her folks.. Thanks"

Now what?

We sit back and allow the press to do their work ferreting out the original of that email. I have great trust in the efficiency and impartiality of the press. They'll do our job for us.



CHEERS Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 07:38 AM

I am merely suggesting that if it is war he wants, he ought to be a wee bit less of an 'armchair CiC'... and get in there and get involved.

EXCELLENT idea- give him a rifle, ship him right over there
and put him at a checkpoint.Expose him to some REAL danger and watch him crap his pants,like the sorry chickenhawk he is. Ditto the rest of his junta that never served for one minute in the military.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: SueB
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 05:34 AM

Please, Teribus, take a deep breath or two.
Why don't you tell us a little about your time in the Navy? Where were you stationed, and what did you do, and how long were you in for, and all that?

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 03:24 AM

Hi there Bobert,

A few points:

What wonderful enlightenment you subscribe to. Anyone can make any claim they like, irrespective of how ludicrous, without being bothered by that most minor of irritations - burden of proof to substantiate what they have said.

On convictions Bobert - glad to see you actually admit to being a proponent of the validity of purely "circumstantial evidence". A case based on such evidence in the UK would never hold water and would not even be brought to court. But as stated above Bobert you are no great believer in substatiation and proof.

Since leaving the Navy Bobert, one thing above all else has stood me in good stead. It was one thing that was dinned into us throughout our training and throughout our active service time as it applied to everything we did - Attention to detail.

I know that tiny, little, meaningless detail and you are complete and utter strangers Bobert, mainly because, more often than not they contradict the thrust of whatever your latest raving happens to be. You also keep referring to my microscopic view. Well Bobert that "big picture" that you are always so keen on gazing at happens to be made up from lots of microscopic views, all those tiny, little, meaningless details. You don't bother with them, so in effect you look at your "big picture" not openly and clearly in focus, you look at it through bias tinted lenses, whose transparency is further obscured through your totally unfounded belief that Bobert has got it all right and the rest of the world is all wrong.

On Bush
Thief: No proof offer purely opinion - no past form, no pending prosecution.

Liar: No proof offered only opinion - only depending upon how obtuse you want to be in understanding what was being said on the matter being addressed.

Crook: No proof offered only opinion - On Harkin Energy, he cashed in $700,000, after predicting that the Company was getting a little out of its depth. He disagreed with the decision to pursue the offshore drilling contract in the middle east and pulled out of the company. Had he left is money in the company and had waited for another 9 to 12 months he would have made double that amount. Minor details Bobert.

Cheat: No proof offered only opinion - No charge exists, or record of disciplinary action having been taken, no recorded complaints, did qualify as "combat capable" in Delta Dagger, single-seat, all-weather, super-sonic interceptor, which is what he joined to do, US tax payers money was spent to train a pilot and that is what the US tax payer got.

Half-wit: I don't agree here. He knows just what he's doing... I also believe he knows what he is doing and not doing a bad job of it at all.

International terror -
He has got the entire world focused on this. People are now more watchful than ever before. International and inter-departmental co-operation has never been better.

US Economy -
NYSE September 2001 7,700 something points, yesterday it briefly bounced through the 10,000 barrier to fall back marginally to just under the 10,000 mark. That is an increase of roughly 23%. Growth figures for the US Economy 8.4% - that is four times the rate of Europe and the far east. US interst rates at the lowest level they have ever been and likely to remain so for some time to come. Exchange rate at present means that US consumers will find foreign imports more expensive than domestically produced goods.

Bobert you obviously have some very dearly held and sincere beliefs. Only in posting about them do you diminish them with irrational, illogical, poorly researched "Magpie-Chatter"

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 01:40 AM

Peg... I'm not touting his GI Joe attire, I find the interchangable military outfits he dons for these occasions to be a laughing stock... I am merely suggesting that if it is war he wants, he ought to be a wee bit less of an 'armchair CiC'... and get in there and get involved.

BTW... How would you deal with having been sent over to Iraq? I believe that the soldiers need all the help they can get, because they are in harm's way... and short of bringing them home, I'm of the opinion that they should be given the confidence they deserve... as decent people. ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: michaelr
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 01:28 AM

Teribus, I'm shocked and awed! You appear to be a raving lunatic!

With that sort of slobber-mouthed ranting (about SueB), you're not doing your master any favors.

I say, keep it up! (Pay attention, folks. This is the wolf beneath the bush, er, sheep's clothing.)

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: LadyJean
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 12:59 AM

I read that Bush's "Thanksgiving Dinner" was a breakfast served at 7:00 in the morning, and the food he was photgraphed holding was a prop, not real food.
It's possible that this was an astroturf letter. (Astroturf as opposed to grass roots.) You may remember several soldiers sent letters to their hometown papers that had been dictated by their commanding officers. Snopes said it was a real email, from a real soldier. They didn't say if the story was true.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Amos
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 11:42 PM

Peg -- it was absolutely a photo op. The second time he has posed in fighting-person garb and gotten away with it. He can, of course, because of his current duties as CiC.
To be fair though, it was also uplifting to the morale of the troops and little wonder; and it was also fairly ballsy, although Hillary was twice so, lacking the cover and air support. This running around wearing various military costumes like John Wayne in a busy year does not reflect well on his chracter, but it shows that he is always thinking of the camera.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Peg
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 11:21 PM

Does no one see how obscene it is for Bush to show up in military gear when he himself is a deserter???

Talk about hypocritical.

this was nothing but a photo-op, and I am sure the sales numbers on the action figures just went up again.

disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 10:51 PM

Thanks Claymore... it really puts a human face on the issue for me. Yeah, plenty of denial... like there isn't any across these 50 states right now... Seems the President made a effort, and it was appreciated... I wish he would make some more... I could respect him a lot more if he had a bit more of the 'heroic' in him... Actually... make that 'a lot' more will you? Now Napoleon was a good example... ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: SueB
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 10:36 PM

I think I must have pushed somebody's buttons. I don't think I've ever been called dethpicable before. But I am familiar with people who resort to the clever strategem of personal attacks and name calling when they're losing an argument. You might want to wipe the spittle off your chin.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 10:04 PM

it's that type of crap that was done by Joe Mc in the fifties... And, I don't think you're like that.

Check past posting history. I believe you'll find that, regrettably, he is- or at least presents himself- JUST like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bushes Visit, Email From Soldier
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Dec 03 - 09:43 PM

But what about the office of Resident?

Yeah, I have to agree with ya, Artbrooks, but then there's this naggin thing that goes on inside of me that says. "Bobert, he *wasn't* elected!" Yeah, that's the hard part here... And ya know, after many posts by various people over the last few years, no Bushite has stepped to the plate to say, "Yes, he was!"... Hmmmm. Part #7649.... I mean, Bush has brought the respect level of the Executive branch of government down to that of, ahhhhh, like TV wrestlin'....

Bobert