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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Teresa Date: 26 Jan 05 - 02:27 AM NW's link |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Teresa Date: 26 Jan 05 - 02:20 AM Meanwhile, tonight, I was watching Frontline on PBS, and it seems that Europe is holding some alleged terrorists whom they can't try, because the U.S. is holding other key witnesses incommunicado. Isn't that ironic? If the U.S. doesn't allow access to European intelligence, the Europeans will have to let these guys go, and some might be the real deal. we'll never know, because the U.S. won't give it up. One guy in Spain is linked to Ata, who is being held in Guantanamo. Strange world. scary world. Teresa |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Donuel Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:48 PM In other words: Hearsay is now evidence dissent is disloyalty A lie is the truth and hypocrisy is piety In a land where perception is held in higher regard than facts there is the belief that all things are possible with the appropriate lie or change in language. In the short run they are right. In the long run once the tissue of lies becomes all wet, the fabric falls apart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Donuel Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:42 PM Within one month after 9-11 I put forth my predictions of what the administration would sadly do as well as what the most intelligent course of action should be. All has come to pass from the beheadings to the expanded infamy of America throughout the world. It has been as though the US has read the Art of War and has chosen the inferior choice time and time again. In my brief stint with the CIA they were most enamored with my explanation of the concept that all is perception and that if the perception is repeated often enough it becomes consciously real. Well it ain't gonna work at this stage of deception anymore. I listen to the people who live in Iraq more than I ever listen/believe the media. All opportunity of a postive outcome from the pre emptive invasion is gone. Fortunes will continue to be ripped off but the game is over and the US has lost. This election and its spin will be a mirror of the larger failure that has been handed to even the most friendly Iraqi that at one time welcomed the planned US regieme change of Iraq. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:32 PM Most elections are basically phony these days, but in Iraq we will shortly see the phoniest one of them all. A PR exercise, nothing more. The people suffered before, they will suffer afterward, and the war will go on, and on, and on...as the USA prepares for Blitzkrieg Number 3, the biggest and best yet...IRAN! And it really has virtually nothing to do with Al Queda. It never did. Like the Nazis, this world-devouring power, the USA, will finally fall under the weight of its own corruption and megalomania. But I wonder...how soon and at what cost? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:09 PM maybe someone could fix my link. i don't know why i have such a hard time with that. but, at any rate, c'mon dougR or any other of you bushbuddies. i wanna hear the GOOD NEWS about iraq that is so rarely reported! if you know what or where it is, c'mon out with it! links and sources! and no bloggers or opinions! sound sources! oh, and just saying "they're having an election" isn't good enough. c'mon now's the chance to spread sdome of the GOOD NEWS. got news? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:15 PM as usual, when asking for facts and sources you can pretty much bet that's the last we see of dougR. did you hear that torture is still going on in iraqi prisons very much like it did when chief boogieman saddam was in charge? here's a link to a news story (not a "blogger") i hope my clicky attemt worked. now you see dougR it's just that easy. find some of that good news that it seems only you hear about and give us a source so we all can hear it. waddaya think? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 20 Jan 05 - 02:12 AM "Oh Mighty and knowing friend from the great northwest: Have you heard nothing of the relief efforts, and the improvements to the infrastructure that our troops have provided in Iraq? Probably not. Ti has only limited reporting." i didn't ask for your usual hearsay, i asked for facts and sources. if these efforts have only limited reporting, how did you hear about them? maybe you could cite your sources. "The good news is hard to come by, and, when it is rarely reported, one has to be acceptable to the reportage. IMO, you wouldn't accept anything other than a "discouraging word" about anything your country did if it jumped up and bit you in your ass." why is this news so hard to come by? where did you hear it reported and what agencies were involved and how extensive is it? if you know about it why can't you tell me where to look to find it? as far as your opinion about what type of words i find acceptable regarding my countries' actions, i'll harken back to your own earlier statement as to what opinions are worth. "Does that answer your inquiry?" not at all but it is what i expected from you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: DougR Date: 20 Jan 05 - 12:13 AM Oh Mighty and knowing friend from the great northwest: Have you heard nothing of the relief efforts, and the improvements to the infrastructure that our troops have provided in Iraq? Probably not. Ti has only limited reporting. The good news is hard to come by, and, when it is rarely reported, one has to be acceptable to the reportage. IMO, you wouldn't accept anything other than a "discouraging word" about anything your country did if it jumped up and bit you in your ass. Does that answer your inquiry? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,heric Date: 19 Jan 05 - 10:22 PM "The National Assembly shall be elected in accordance with ->an<- electoral law and a political parties law. The electoral law shall aim to achieve the goal of having women constitute no less than one-quarter of the members of the National Assembly and of having fair representation for all communities in Iraq, including the Turcomans, ChaldoAssyrians, and others." LAW OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THE STATE OF IRAQ FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD Chapter 4, Article 30, Section (C) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Cluin Date: 19 Jan 05 - 10:08 PM In the words of the immortal jOhn from Hull: Oh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 19 Jan 05 - 09:20 PM still waiting for an answer to my post of 19 Jan 05 - 12:44 AM to dougR. this is usually what happens when you ask a question of doug, bb, and the like when facts or sources (other than fox news) are requested. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Donuel Date: 19 Jan 05 - 07:05 PM no reliable electricity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Cluin Date: 19 Jan 05 - 03:45 PM Well, the ballots have arrived in Iraq today. Couldn't they have been printed up there? Also, why will the Iraq election have a paper trail, whereas the U.S. one didn't? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Donuel Date: 19 Jan 05 - 10:16 AM http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushlieworked2.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Wolfgang Date: 19 Jan 05 - 10:09 AM A Bush speaker: "The president has not lied, he has only paraphrased a bit". Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Donuel Date: 19 Jan 05 - 09:07 AM Wrong Doug. I did paraphrase "control the world" but I have illustrated the actual quote which I did hear live and recorded on DVD. The exact quote appears on the bottom right ... http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushcross.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Terry K Date: 19 Jan 05 - 03:57 AM To me the problem with what the world outside sees as US "adventuring" is that the US really believes they are doing these terrible acts for all the best reasons. They really believe that Iraq, Afghanistan and all points beyond would really benefit from a US style democracy, without even contemplating that that may not actually be the solution that those countries want or need. They really believe that a US style democracy is the only way for these people, even to the point of demonstrating that it is worth blasting the shit out of them in order to impose it. Doesn't anyone in power even start to think that perhaps they might be just a little bit wrong? Do they really believe these short-term imposed "solutions" will ever last? As to world domination, if you make as many enemies as the US has done by their heavy-handed tactics over the last 40 odd years, world domination is the only route left for survival. cheers, Terry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Boab Date: 19 Jan 05 - 03:22 AM Next election in the UK , I propose they close the border for three days,restrict the movement of private vehicles between John o'Groats and Lands End and impose a curfew a few weeks before, expanding it during election week. This, it seems, is one background to a "democratic election". Ugh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 19 Jan 05 - 12:44 AM could you point out, dougR, any relief efforts on our part for the iraqi people who have been killed, injured, made homeless (think 300,000 in falluja alone) or diseased by our military actions there? would you define that as a REAL need, or should they just be happy we've "freed" them? if you know of any please give sources or links. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: DougR Date: 18 Jan 05 - 11:42 PM You know, Peter K., I sincerely wish in many ways, that the leadership of the U. S. would say, in regard to the needs of other people of the world, "it's not our problem. Let folks fend for themselves, because it's not our problem," just one time when there is a REAL need. Then perhaps people like you, would realize how generous our government, and the people of our nation has been to people in need. Likely, though, the irony would escape you, and people like you. So what the hey! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: dianavan Date: 18 Jan 05 - 10:40 PM Yes, many have fled Iraq and should be entitled to vote but should their sons and daughters (who may have never set foot in Iraq) be given this privilege? Seems to me that this is will tip the scales dramatically. Especially since many inside Iraq will not be given the opportunity to vote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,Wolfgang Date: 18 Jan 05 - 10:49 AM The Out-of-Country voting scheme linked to by heric seems a very good idea to me under the circumstances (many have fled or been forced to emigrate from Iraq). Of course, it would even be better if Iraqi mothers would count too, but that could well be due to some old Iraqi law. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Boab Date: 18 Jan 05 - 03:09 AM "Iraq election unique in the extreme"? No. There was one with a couple of similar characteristics in Venezuela some years back. In that instance the legitimate government couldn't be displaced by the use of foreign-armed "contras" and "advisers", so the main port was blockaded , paralysing all trade and external commerce till the people finally voted "democratically" in sheer desperation for some kind of normality. Something along the same lines is being tried in Iraq. Millions of Iraqis will vote. They will vote because they want an end to the Hell that their country has become. And much as many of us would hope that this "exercise in democracy" might make a difference, the sad likelihood is continuing violence and struggle. The plain truth is that there can be NO democracy in Iraq [or in any other Country] under an armed occupation. It is apparent now however that the divisions, ethnic and religious, in the Iraqi population are giving rise to what is as much a civil war as it is an anti-occupation struggle. Another truth, unfortunately, is that having imposed themselves by force of arms upon the Iraqi population, a withdrawal by the US-led "coalition" would now be a guarantee of bloody civil strife. So, "democratic" or not, some form of ruling purely Iraqi body must be formed ["elected" is a mockery of the language at this stage]which can, by some miracle, impose control on the population. That, I think, is the best that can be hoped for; the reality is much more likely to be escalating violence, more cruelty, more death. I hope I am wrong--- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,heric Date: 17 Jan 05 - 09:58 PM bottom right of the screen. its too much fun |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,wdyat12 Date: 17 Jan 05 - 09:53 PM Guest, heric, you do the blue clicky thing so well to make your point. I haven't figured it out yet, but when I do...look out! wdyat12 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,heric Date: 17 Jan 05 - 09:29 PM This, from the emigres voters' guide, implies that you can be eligible for Iraqi citizenship by having a father born there. (My family had this same gender discrimination issue in the US until somebody pointed it out and had it fixed by Congress, less than ten years ago.) So--Does Iraq have a constitution, new or old? Did the laws of Iraq which pre-existted Saddam's reign remain intact, and survive his reign? This is unique in the extreme. From whence do the current electoral laws get their validity? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,heric Date: 17 Jan 05 - 09:18 PM Here we go. The other six are Turkey, Jordan, Germany, France, The Netherlands and Canada. Still can't figure out the "father" rule, though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,heric Date: 17 Jan 05 - 09:08 PM This says that emirgres are reigstering in 14 foreign countries. This lists several of them, to Include Syria, Iran and the UAE. I rather like this project. Countries include Sweden, Denmark, UK, Iran, Syria, US, and Australia. These people should be well informed and have the best interests of Iraq in mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,wdyat12 Date: 17 Jan 05 - 08:48 PM "is" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,wdyat12 Date: 17 Jan 05 - 08:46 PM The whole war and the whole election is BOGUS! wdyat12 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: dianavan Date: 17 Jan 05 - 08:29 PM From ABC news: "Eligible voters can be American citizens, but must be 18 or older, have been born in Iraq, hold citizenship or prove that their father was Iraqi." Am I missing something here? Does this mean that an American with an Iraqi father can vote in the Iraqi election? What if you have an Iraqi mother? Does that count? Apparently, you don't have to be a citizen of Iraq or have been born in Iraq or even to have set foot in Iraq. What about the people who actually live there and have had to put up with all the bloodshed? This voting procedure seems intent on undermining those who have endured the bloodshed, the American occupation, and the interim government. What a sham! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 17 Jan 05 - 07:59 PM "I found nothing that proves he was a CIA operative. Only that he worked closely with the CIA prior to assuming his post as PM." as i was speaking earlier about critical thinking facilities, let's just give these sentences the once-over REAL SLOW. "nothing that proves he was a CIA operative"...now, for doug, the only proof would seem to be a CIA press release naming their operatives. when was the last time that happened? what WOULD be a proof that you would accept, dougR, besides a CIA statement broadcast on FOX news? "only that he worked closely with the CIA..." now, to me, that suggests that he was operating with (as stated) and possibly for (implied) the CIA. a small dot-connecting exercise there to be sure, but not too strenuous. by the way, among the first 20 listings on google for this subject were washington post, cbc news, MSNBC, the guardian & the telegraph (UK sources) and LeMonde (french source). not just bloggers, i'm afraid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: jaze Date: 17 Jan 05 - 07:29 PM I don't know, Doug, but I think launching an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation might be a clue. Don't you think other countries are thinking if he could do it to Iraq, he could do it to us? In the news just today there's an article of Bush"s scoping out Iran for possible attack. I firmly beleive if he goes after Iran, there will be a major all out world war. And how many countries do you think will be sympathetic to our cause? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Cluin Date: 17 Jan 05 - 06:55 PM Lewis Black's take on it: It's really phenomenal, I think, that we're bringing democracy to Iraq. I can't wait to see how we do it... What, do we give `em our Civics books?... "Read this! It's crackerjack material! We're gonna be back next Thursday. We'll give you a test." Apparently Florida sent `em voting machines. It's just amazing. I think 30% of us vote. And we're gonna teach the world about democracy? The other 70% of us just go, "Well, f__k it!" How does a group of people in which 30% of us actually spend the time enjoying the democratic process tell another country about democracy? "Like... Boy it's really great, cause you don't have to f__kin' do it!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 17 Jan 05 - 05:03 PM Bobert, you neglected to give what I consider the biggest reasons for invading Iraq: 7. Daddy got pretty good press by invading Iraq, but was criticized for not carrying through to toss out Saddam. I'll pick up where he left off, and partake of that popularity he gained in some quarters. and 8. Historically, the nation TENDS (not always, but TENDS) to gather behind a war president, and a war president's position in history is (many times) enhanced. and 9. Directing the nation's attention to external conflict (along with the aid of #2 above), so I can reshape the culture and economy of the United States and have less criticism than I would have if attention were just on the domestic side. and 10. Under the cover of the "need" for wartime patriotism, I can maintain the control and secrecy fetish that I've indulged in all of my political life. Dave Oesterreich to my ideological liking and my business liking |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,Frank Date: 17 Jan 05 - 03:58 PM The so-called "election" in Iraq is not possible. It will not be the "will of the people". It might be skewed in fraud as was the one in Afghanistan despite the fact that Karzai would have probably won legally anyway but Bush had to have it won n time for his election. The poster showing a candidate with the Statue of Liberty in the background will go over like feather in a monsoon. It's not just a matter of the Sunnis but the fact that the shots are being called by the occupiers, not the people themselves. There may be a "show" of an election but it will not be accepted by the majority of the Iraqi people as valid. The so-called interim government is not equipped to do anything but foster a Bush party-line. Allawi is a "strong man". Once again, a failed policy of supporting another dictator by the Neo-cons is evident. Now Bush says that we shouldn't take this "election" too seriously. No WMD's. No serious election. No exit strategy. No military support for the existing troops. No money for any of the programs he promised. But his inauguration will cost plenty and Washington DC will pay for it out of their Homeland Security budget. He wants to spend his "political capital" which translates to taxpayer money for his extravagance. For the working poor in this country, "Let 'em eat cake". Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: annamill Date: 17 Jan 05 - 03:40 PM "George Bush make it known that America plans to control the world?" Could this be the start of "The Federation"? :-) Love, Annamill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 17 Jan 05 - 08:47 AM Sory DougR, but the evidence that the US aspires to dominate is there for all to see. Consider the number of military interventions in other countries since WW2 (around 40?); consider US willingness to fund an ad hoc war crimes tribunal at the Hague (ICTY) but to deny to any international court jurisdiction over its own war crimes; consider the breaking of a promise by the US prosecutor at the Nuremburg show trials that America would be answerable under the same laws if ever that was appropriate, and read again the PNAC stuff so readily available on the internet. The US may be aiming for a world where countries "get along which each other" but only if they do so on US terms. For instance the benign democratic socialism of Chile and the "workers' self-management" of Yugoslavia under Tito and post Tito, would never hav been acceptable. Neither is Castro's Cuba, though what business that is of the US I fail to see. Mercifully pdq (and DougR) are wrong however, to the extent that the US has already overplayed its hand. You can only achieve so much by bombing innocent civilians from high altitude. When it comes to controlling the ground, the US hasn't got an army that can begin to do the job. Not even in Afghanistan, which was already the poorest nation on earth before the US went in. As for Iraq, America is now staring at a truly monstrous catastrophe. The Sunnis may be a minority, but they are a strongly placed minority thanks to being favoured for many years by the Ba'athist regime. By boycotting the forthcoming farce of an election they are preparing the ground for civil war. In which event American plans to Haliburtonise the economy, grab the oil and establish military bases will go out of the window. Most of the world will watch the spectacle of American humiliation with scarcely contained shadenfreude. Meanwhile the paving stones of old Babylon are flattened by American tanks, priceless artefacts from the hanging gardens are crushed and bundled into sandbags and the whole archeological site is compromised by layers of gravel and chemicals. All this by US troops who "fully understand and appreciate" the historic importantce of the site, according to their senior officers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: robomatic Date: 13 Jan 05 - 02:49 PM It is pretty important to acknowledge the difference in viewpoints between the view of many if not most of US Americans about our impact (or should I say 'vision') for freedom in the world, mission statement if you will, and the perception of many of the rest of the world as to whether they appreciate it in the spirit with which we think we mean it. As to the thread topic, if I understand it, concerning the election to be held in Iraq, here's a link to the latest Friedman column. I think he's bang on. You should be able to read it gratis: Thomas Friedman on Iraq Election 13 January 05 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: DougR Date: 13 Jan 05 - 02:15 PM True, Pdq, true. Carol C: you misrepresent what the Project for the American Century suggests. It is not intended to dominate the world, but rather to develop a world where countries will get along with each other. As one dedicated to peace, Carol C, I would think you would support that plan. Nowhere is there evidence that the U. S. wants to "dominate" the world through some plan or such. After all, as pdq points out, the U. S. does anyway by default. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: pdq Date: 13 Jan 05 - 01:13 PM The United States already dominates the world, by default. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: CarolC Date: 13 Jan 05 - 12:56 PM Most of Bush's main advisors are members of PNAC (Project for the New American Century), which has published a detailed plan for world domination. And since the Bush administration has so far followed the plan almost to the letter, it's not such an outrageous assumption to think that Bush and his advisors are in agreement on the subject of world domination. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: DougR Date: 13 Jan 05 - 12:46 PM Gee Bobert, I can't pick just one! But from those you listed I'd pick: 2., 3, 4, 5, and I'd add, the fact that helping to establish two democracies in the Middle East would help stabalize that part of the world. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: DougR Date: 13 Jan 05 - 12:31 PM I read some of the articles "friend from the NW" suggested I read on Google. Many of the references listed are "Bloggers" and I view such reports as pretty unreliable as sources myself. I found nothing that proves he was a CIA operative. Only that he worked closely with the CIA prior to assuming his post as PM. I don't find that particularly damning since the CIA would have been heavily involved in organizing the current council and selecting it's leadership. If the CIA, State Department and Department of Defence were not responsible for governing Iraq under the leadership of Paul Bremer after Saddam fell from power, who would have done it. Would they likely have chosen someone they thought would not cooperate with the Coalition? I think not. After the elections in Iraq, the citizens will have chosen their leader of choice, just as they did in Afghanstan. They may, or may not, elect the current PM. It will be their choice. DougR DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: DougR Date: 13 Jan 05 - 12:15 PM Thank you for pointing that out to my mentally challenged friend from the great Northwest, Wolfgang. But since he/she chose to answer the questions posed to Donuel, I ask for a more complete explanation of the following: "People with critical thinking abilities." I assume you place yourself in that category, right? Other than the few loony lefties that post on the Mudcat regularly, who else would you place in that category? What evidence can YOU or any of your "critical thinking" sources produce that it is George W. Bush's intent to control the world? I'm not asking for opinions, mind you, I want evidence. I will take your advice, oh great friend from the NW, and check out he Google you site. If I am proven wrong, I will apologize in this thread. I will not, however, accept "opinion" as evidence! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,Wolfgang Date: 13 Jan 05 - 09:30 AM Guest from NW, I do wonder who is reading-challenged here. It looks fairly obvious to me that Donuel has made the mistake to mix facts and interpretation. The 'CNN' tag belongs after 'rather to be killed' (for up to these words Donuel just reports what can be read in CNN and other services) than where it actually is. The following sentence is not a report or quote from CNN, but Donuel's interpretation. That's why Doug has challenged him to provide documentation for that part. End of reading lesson. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: dianavan Date: 13 Jan 05 - 02:50 AM Why would an election in Iraq be any more democratic that an election in the U.S.? I'm sure the Bush admin. has all of this timed exactly right. Turn everyone's attention to Iraq and get their minds off the sham of an election that happened on their own soil. Bush and his buddies should be tried for treason. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 13 Jan 05 - 02:43 AM "Donuel: do you make these things up, or what?" it looks like he cited CNN as a source for the quote for you reading-challenged folks out there. "When did George Bush make it known that America plans to control the world? In a speech? If so, be good enough to direct me to the text." Duhhhh, no, there's no speech where he says "i, georgedubyabush, am taking over the world!"but people with critical thinking abilties can look at the actions taken under his administration to take control of a portion of the world that holds the largest reserves of the most wanted natural resource going and connect a few dots. "Proof that the current PM of Iraq was a former CIA operative would be helpful too." there have been numerous reports on this since before he was installed. i know it's tough for you to believe anything but fox news with it's oh-so-high ratings (which prove its veracity, of course) but try getting on google and putting in "ayad allawi+ CIA" and you'll find full reports from many news organizations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraq election unique in the extreme From: robomatic Date: 13 Jan 05 - 02:12 AM I'm still trying to figure out how to be uniquely extreme, or extremely unique? Is this a Victor Borge routine? |
