BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 09:14 PM

I add here---that the London tragedy is a hell of a lot more germaine than your diatribes---and we should stay on that and mourn the loss of innocents from fanatics who, for whatever sick reason, believe they have the right to be judge, jury, and decide the fate of others. You may well applaud them---I say NO---swift justics should be meted out---when we are sure the right parties are "collared"

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 09:11 PM

Ah well---Carol---as usual your obsessive and compulsive comments---devoid of a debating formulation---other than your own narrow interests that make you then say "troll" leave me nothing but to say that there are more important things in our short, but hopefully, worthwhile lives, than to correspond with the obsessive kidnappers of a discussion to fulfill their futile and frustrating (to them---meaning you) agenda.

Happy Southern evenings dear compulsive and obsessive. May the thought of wider thinking and a more open mind visit upon you at some point in the near future


Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 08:00 PM

I've got to 'fess up, Carol, you got me sussed. You clearly know me so well from my posts on this and other threads that you have worked out that I am a rude and presumptious individual, and bossy and overbearing too. My sweeping condemnations of large numbers of other people's posts must have been hard to ignore until now, so I fully understand that this time you had to do something about it.

Oh well, what can I do - friendless and unloved I remain...

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 07:31 PM

Yes, Wolfgang, Gaza is still in dispute. There are many people in Israel who are still working very hard to prevent the handover of Gaza. I'll stop including Gaza in statements like that one after it's been handed over. A lot can happen between now and then.


On the subject of assumptions (and making an ass of one's self)...

When I post something in red letters, it is to increase the chances that my words will be seen. Any assumptions about my emotional state when I do so are nothing more than that - assumptions, and more often than not, they will be wrong assumptions.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 12:42 PM

Actually, El Greko, I have been ignoring many of your similar, broad sweeping condemnations of large numbers of other peoples' posts in other threads. I find them to be rude as well as presumptuous. But this time I felt it was time to comment. You must be a very bossy and overbearing person to have to deal with in your real life.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 09:23 AM

The land that Jordan took was later captured and occupied by Israel in the 1967 war. This is the land that is now in dispute, and that the Palestinians want as their homeland. This land, btw, is the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. (Carol)
Gaza?

Back to the start of the thread. When the first news came in I knew that there would be people (mostly the same) at Mudcat saying 'conspiracy'. They always do when the actual culprits don't fit into their prejudices. Meanwhile it is obvious except to the most closed-minded that it was an Al Qaeda attack (though this is now probably more a general brand name than an actual strongly led group. The name is there for grabs for any Muslim fundamentalist groups prone to violent action).

What drives these people is much more fundamental than Iraq, Afghanistan or Israel. This type of violence would not stop if some demands were met. Meeting some demands only could help to dissuade some of their new blood.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 04:38 AM

CarolC, calm down - my post was not referring to yours, just to the state of the thread. It's like watching a tennis match with several participants; heads go left, right, further left, and so on, and one cannot get a sense of the whole discussion. The thread started with the question about why Guliani was in London to be interviewed (apparently he was on holiday - true or false, who knows), but the discussion soon descended to bickering.

Now, I did not attack you, but you felt the need to lash out, even to the level of pointing out that my own note too was off the point (!). I don't mind, I still often agree with your postings, though not always with their manner or tone, but hey - it's a free internet, one can say what they want anyway, and we don't have to like each other.

I am only guessing from your manner, but you must be a frustrating person to like when you hit out at friends like this.

Over and out - the other thread on London is more interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:55 PM

Thanks, GUEST 13 Jul 05 - 09:23 PM

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:40 PM

which is what? YOur need for anger control management?

No, the fact that you have nothing of substance to add to any discussion. But I am also beginning to conclude that you are a troll.


By the way EL GREKO... the actual subject of this thread is Peter Woodruff's suggestion that the London bombings and the 9/11 attacks were both a part of a conspiracy by the governments of the US and Britain to create an excuse for the "war on terror".

With that in mind, all but the first few posts on this thread are off topic. Yours included.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:23 PM

From: jpk
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 04:57 PM

dear carol c if not for the media,this would not even be a blip on the radar.the only way they can accomp.anything with these actions is with media help and there tend. to [blow]things way out of proportion.(more of there [if it bleeds it leads]reporting standards.   giving into the plo,and it's sister orgs sure accomp. a lot did it not[yep more violence]and to think clinton and those before him [bush sr included][yes and carter to] were proud of there placating actions to the spoiled brats of socalled palistine   i do feel for the victims,but must carry on.

This is the post that brought the Palestinian People into this Thread.

A simple read through can provide validation of someone's claim that they did not bring the subject up and only replied to the subject when it was!

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:23 PM

which is what? YOur need for anger control management?

Bill H

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:15 PM

I rest my case.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 09:14 PM

Wow---you do get upset, Carol. Try to find more to your life than this sad cyber venue. There must be something.    Surely you must have other interests than mundane discussions that lead nowhere.

Have you tried some physical exercises--seriously---get those endorphins flowing--really helps. I played tennis today and this is not my biggest priority. Feel real good---wish you do too. Seriously!! Now we really have left London and gotten into dear old Carol Cs anger.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 08:57 PM

You're so full of it, Bill. I REPEAT... I DID NOT BRING UP THE SUBJECT OF ISRAEL/PALESTINE ON THIS THREAD.

I repeat once again...

I DID NOT BRING UP THE SUBJECT OF ISRAEL/PALESTINE IN THIS THREAD

I have only responded to what others have said on the subject here in this thread.

ANY SUGGESTIONS TO THE CONTRARY BY BILL HAHN IN THIS THREAD ARE OUTRIGHT LIES

Bill Hahn has nothing of substance to contribute to any subject, pertinent or otherwise, so he has to resort to lies and personal attacks because that's all he's got to work with.

El Grecko, if you are suggesting that I am the one who brought the subject of Israel/Palestine into this thread, you are a liar as well.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 08:46 PM

El Grecko---You have hit the nail on the proverbial head. This is, sadly, a version of cyber Bullshit---people just venting their own issues---me---I too am guilty in responding to people like Carol
The rest would just be confrontational---so why bother.

Peace!!!

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 08:39 PM

Trouble is, people want to discuss the issues they want to discuss. And so this thread has strayed from its original title and presumably also from its intent.

Which is why yesterday's GUEST comment on Jordan's being well endowed (referring of course to British model or whatever she is) was the closest to the thread's title; because of the British reference.

For the rest, much of this thread reads boringly similar to dozens of other threads on the subject of muslims, jews, bigotry, Bush, Blair, the media etc etc. Many valid opinions are lost in the midst of posters trying to outdo each other and score points off each other.

It's just a rehash and leads nowhere.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 08:26 PM

Bill H, you have just requested that I stop doing something that you then when right ahead and did to me in the next paragraph. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If you don't want me to tell you what is in your heart and in your mind... don't tell me what is in my heart and mind. Until you live up to the expectations you have of me, don't expect me to do so either.

All I want to do is discuss the issues. But you are so threatened by what I have to say on the issues, you keep making it personal and making personal ad hominem attacks on me.

If you want me to stick to the issues and not discuss you, you'll need to stick to the issues and not discuss me. Stop being such a hypocrite.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 08:17 PM

Now Carol you have made assumptions that are not valid. You don't know me=-==and, happily, I don't know you.   As they said in the show "Odd Couple"---don'e assume it merely make and ASS of U and ME.

Please do not attempt to know what my leanings and feelings are about. Your are not privy to them. Unlike you there are gray areas ---I do not just see black and white as you seem (note---seem) to.

So--bottom line---stick to your your obsessions, your diatribes that you consider arguments, your penchant for personalizing all things, and focusing on one subject---who knows why. BUT---do not presume to know or understand my or other poster's beliefs, politics, or anything about them. You are, frankly, not that smart.

I know you will say this is defensive---no just factual and objective.

Shalom, Salaam, Cheerio, See Ya, etc; So--you still do not know what I am about---so do not ASSume.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 07:54 PM

Bill H, I will continue to address factually incorrect assertions such as jpk's, as well as outright falshoods coming from you, on this subject as well as others when I see them.

I will not bring up the subject of Israel/Palestine myself unless there is an extremely compelling reason for me to do so.

The obsession is not mine, but that of people like you who hate all Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims, and/or who see them as less than human, and who just can't pass up an opportunity to spread hate toward these peoples.

It is my responsibility as a person of conscience to point out such behavior when I encounter it, and to combat all forms of hatred wherever and whenever I encounter them. This is what I do, and will continue to do... whether you like it or not.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 07:40 PM

"That should, however, be a different topic" - so
so why "add fuel to Carol's fire" by making an intentionally coat-trailing remark?

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 07:12 PM

Perhaps this threat can stay on target and not be hijacked by the franatics and obsessive who can only focus on Israel/Palestinian problems---and they are problems. I add---to add fuel to Carol's fire--of the Palestinian's (and the Saudis, Syrians, etc;) own making.

That should, however, be a different topic---this is about the tragic events in London created---it seems --by some home grown fanatics who felt an embrace---wrongfully believed---to Islam makes this proper. I am sure that true believers will disavow their acts, motives, and intentions.   

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:40 PM

Etnic cleansing and clumsey attempts to manipulate the religious and ethnic content of the state lies at the root of the tragedy of Israel/Palestine.If the refugees from the war of 1948 had been allowed to return home the end of the fighting the population of Israel would be much more evenly balanced between Jews and Muslime and Christians, and it is likely that it would now be living peacefully alongside a separate Palestinian state in partnership with it, and in friendship with neighbouring countries.

As I understand it, that kind of situation is what was envisaged by the   founders of Zionism.

...............
Perhaps it's a pity that this thread has been so radically diverted from the London bombings - but it has and it'd make more sense for anyone with stuff to say about that to do so in the other thread about the bombings, rather than struggle vainly to bring this one back in line again..

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:38 PM

I'm not picking on Americans, jpk. I am an American, and I am doing my duty as an American citizen to take responsibility for the bad things my country has done and is doing, and I'm doing my best to try to help correct these things. It's your responsibility as an American citizen to do this as well.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:34 PM

Additional thought for jpk...

Considering the way you think it's ok to hold all Muslims accountable for the actions and words of a very small percentage of them, I think it would be perfectly reasonable for people to hold you personally responsible for every reprehensible thing that has ever been done by White Christians of European ancestry, and also for every reprehensible thing that has ever been done by men.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: jpk
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:33 PM

then quit picking on americans
also what's most 'funny'about the jewish state,a rel.

state supported by a country that supposedly hates rel. in govt.   

but then those that hate the most are rel.govt.controlled states

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:27 PM

jpk, there may be some extremist Muslims who are calling for what you have said, but the vast majority of them just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: jpk
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:25 PM

here here for blair and sticking with the subject at the g8 and not being sidetracked by headlining.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:23 PM

Israel is a legitimate state. Period. They defended the land that was going to be taken from them by their Arab neighbors--who have no use for their own brethren.

Nobody in this discussion is saying Israel is not a legitimate state. But they did far more than defend the land they had originally been given. They also stole quite a lot of land that had been given to others, and now they are in the process of stealing from the Palestinians the West Bank, (possibly) Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:18 PM

Thread Drift---hell, what happened in London (as far as this discussion is concerned) is about as far removed from --in these great minds-- as the Blitz is in the many years that have gone by.

To get back on the track---the Jordan/ Egypt/ 1948/ etc' has been talked to death here already---Israel is a legitimate state. Period. They defended the land that was going to be taken from them by their Arab neighbors--who have no use for their own brethren.

But, the Brits. They surely have handled their situation w/ great restraint and come to some quick conclusions without jumping at them as we did in Oklahoma City, for one. Their press, known for banner tabloid headlines,has been the image of restraint and objectivity. More that our own press, I must say.

The balancing act of freedom and security is a tough one. Let us hope that they and we can come to a good balance so that our way of life is not impacted by those who--for whatever twisted reasons--would destroy it. It will, surely, take a fair-minded administration on both sides of the pond to come up with such a balance. Here it is not balancing too well by leader(s) who state that they have never made any mistakes.   Such surety---please.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: jpk
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:18 PM

just give the muslim/arab world what the openly say they want[the destrution of the jews and to wipe them from this earth]and see if that leads to peace,or maybe to there next openly spoke of target,everyone else who not muslim,after that they will be reduced to fighting with each other,as they are still doing,and have been doing for centuries,even before muslimnism came into being.
have a great day anyway

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Alba
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 05:08 PM

Thanks Carol.
Appreciated.
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:36 PM

Here you go, Alba...

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Note that this is a website owned and maintained by Israeli Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:32 PM

For many years there has been a general consensus in Israel that a Palestinian state is inevitable. What the Palestinians need is leadership that will stop the terrorism. When that happens, the Palestinian state will be created in very short order.

This is simply laughable. The Palestinian leadership should not be under any obligation to provide security for the people who are occupying their land. What Israelis need is leadership who will end the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. When that happens, Palestinian terrorism against Israel will be eliminated in very short order.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Alba
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:28 PM

Are there figures available regarding the number of Palestinians that have been killed over the Years Guest: 01:09 PM or could you direct me to resource that would help me to find out.
Thanks in advance
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:22 PM

GUEST is incorrect on all fronts.

The Palestinians have been trying to get a homeland of their own since before the 1948 war. They have never stopped trying to get their own state. They have been thwarted in their objectives by both Israel as well as Jordan. But it has been their dream and their ambition all along.

To say that the Palestinians could have created a state at any time is simply a lie. Neither Jordan nor Egypt had any intention of letting them do that. But at least Jordan and Egypt didn't run them out of their homes and off their land. And they didn't bulldoze their olive groves. In that respect, the Palestinians did not have quite as much incentive to resist the Jordanians and the Egyptians as they do the Israelis.

CarolC seeks to minimize the number of Israelis killed by Palestinian terrorists. If you take the number Israelis killed since the beginning of the second Intifada as a proportion of the population, it is the equivalent of 11 9/11 attacks or as if 33,000 had been killed that day.

You, GUEST, are seeking to minimize the number of Palestinians killed by Israelis. There have been thousands of Palestinians killed. More than three for every Israeli killed. I don't know the ratio of Palestinians to Israelis overall, but if we use your equation, the number of Palestinians killed by Israelis would be equal to or greater than 33 9/11 attacks, or as if 99,000 or more Palestinians had been killed that day.

Perhaps you seek to minimize these numbers because like Bill H, you do not regard Palestinians as human beings.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:09 PM

The first thing you probably don't know is that there have been several hundred Israelis killed since the beginning of the second intifada.

CarolC seeks to minimize the number of Israelis killed by Palestinian terrorists. If you take the number Israelis killed since the beginning of the second Intifada as a proportion of the population, it is the equivalent of 11 9/11 attacks or as if 33,000 had been killed that day.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:01 PM

Carol C. is right about the Palestinians. They have been denied a homeland by the establishment of Israel. Where are you from?

Dianavan is obviously ignornt of modern Middle Eastern history to make a statement like that.

At the time of the establishment of the State of Israel, the Palestinians rejected a state of their own. From 1948 until 1967 the West Bank and East Jerusalem were part of Jordan and Gaza was part of Egypt. They could have created a Palestinian state at any time during those years but there was absolutely no interest in the establishment of a Palestinian state. Instead the Palestinians waited for the Arabs to drive the Jews into the sea.

After the 1973 war, Anwar Sadat of Egypt realized that driving the Jews into the sea wasn't going to happen and Egypt concluded a peace treaty with Israel. Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt and wanted to give back Gaza. However, Egypt decided the Palestinians in Gaza weren't worth the trouble and wouldn't take Gaza back.

Years later, Jordan also concluded a peace treaty with Israel. By then, had also long ago decided the Palestinians in the West Bank were too much trouble and had no interest in taking back the West Bank.

For many years there has been a general consensus in Israel that a Palestinian state is inevitable. What the Palestinians need is leadership that will stop the terrorism. When that happens, the Palestinian state will be created in very short order.

Blaming Israel for the fact that there is not yet a Palestinian state is the province of either ignorance or anti-Semitism.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 03:38 AM

This thread has drifted so far off course, that the last comment by GUEST actually brought it closer to its origins...

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 02:50 AM

Jordan has massive tits

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:54 AM

This land, btw, is the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:53 AM

The land that Jordan took was later captured and occupied by Israel in the 1967 war. This is the land that is now in dispute, and that the Palestinians want as their homeland.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 01:46 AM

I seem to rememder reading somewhere that a lot of Palestine was taken over by Jordan. Perhaps a homeland could be established there?

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 11:06 PM

Just to clarify though... I am not now, and never have been suggesting that the part of Israel that lies within the Green Line should be taken from the Israelis. I am saying that the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem should end, and the Palestinians who live in those places should be left alone by Israel to establish their own state in peace and freedom.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 10:03 PM

jpk - Its comments like this, "you want better insight into the moslim world,just ask the dutch.[i talked to a friend of mine(one of the few)in norway that i met in the late 70s while in the service,he told me that they are getting really feedup with "them"]...

that expose your ignorance. How can you base your opinions on the heresay of just one of the Dutch. Don't you think that it is just one opinion? You make it sound as if all of the Dutch are fed up with Muslims and that all Muslims are terrorists.

Carol C. is right about the Palestinians. They have been denied a homeland by the establishment of Israel. Where are you from? Maybe we should take your homeland and give it to the poor Sudanese from Darfur.

Try to wrap your head around the fact that terrorists come in all shapes and sizes. A terrorist is a terrorist. When other criminals are arrested, we do not identify their religion. Why do you assume that all Muslims are responsible for the actions of a few?

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 09:43 PM

The face of 9-11 in London falls nicely into place for the renewal of the Patriot Act.

The only things that are missing from the Patriot Act this time around are the sunset clauses. In other words: when/if the Patriot Act is "renewed" this week it will be FOREVER !!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 09:28 PM

And of course, the option of shooting them has been tried many, many times. That approach doesn't seem to be working too well either. But I am also not at all surprised to see that you approve of killing people for the purpose of stealing their property.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 09:22 PM

I'm not the one who brought up the Palestinians, Bill, though it doesn't surprise me in the least that you think I did. Actually, I almost never am the one who brings up the subject of Israel/Palestine. But I'm one of the few who isn't afraid to talk openly and honestly about it once someone else has brought it up, and to confront the many blatant falsehoods that are commonly repeated about that subject. And that's why you see my name in many of the discussions on the subject.

Or--possibly---shoot the critter because maybe your boot was on his neck for a reason.

Well, if you don't regard the Palestinians as actual people you might use the word critter. But if you are talking about human beings, as I am, you might want to consider why people would be wanting to defend their homes and their loved ones. Maybe because they have every right to do that. So if your foot is on their neck because you want to steal their land and livelihood, and they aren't too happy about you wanting to do that and they try to defend themselves, their property, and their loved ones, maybe you'd better keep your foot there.

If you do, though, don't be surprised if they keep stabbing you in the leg.

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 06:20 PM

Or--possibly---shoot the critter because maybe your boot was on his neck for a reason.   Hmmmm---food (Kosher) for thought.

I wonder, Carol, why every discussion---this started as London 9/11 gets beamed up from you''like "Scotty"--into an Israeli/Palestinian thing. Let me see---I have the OED in front me --shall look up compulsive and obsessive.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 05:41 PM

Little bit of country wisdom, jpk...

If yer standing on someone's neck with your barn cleaning boots, and he keeps stabing you in the leg to try to get you off his neck...

GET YER BIG OLD BARN CLEANING BOOT OFF HIS NECK AND LEAVE HIM ALONE

Subject: RE: BS: 'The Face of 911' in London?
From: jpk
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 05:30 PM

yea right ask yasser.