BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 12:27 AM

LH:
As i've said before, i'd love to buy you a beer (or three) and solve the problems of the world (or not).

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 11:53 PM

Well, I figure that the whole North American population is enslaved...in a certain sense...but that's another whole discussion, isn't it? ;-) (I mean they are mentally and psychologically enslaved to an empty, materialistic lifestyle, devoid of wisdom...)

It's always a dicey question as to whether a part of any country can voluntarily leave. The part that does want to leave would, I think, have a right to. (Just as in a divorce...) But, the rest of the country never sees it that way, do they? I'll tell you why: money is at stake. lots of it. And land. And jurisdiction. Oh, people will tell you all kinds of wonderful reasons to get you whipped up about patriotism and go and kill your next door neighbours, but it's really turf that is being fought over. And that turf belongs to the rich, the robber barons, the politicians, the plantation owners, the bigwigs. That's what the rioters in New York were rioting against. The sons of the rich could buy their way out of the draft. The poor could not.

I figure if the South wanted to leave in 1861, then they had a right to. Fort Sumter was sitting on coastal land that was part of a southern state which had seceded. What the hell right did the Union have to stay in such a fort after the separation of the South? They should have left. I can understand why the South eventually attacked the place. IT was illegal in THEIR terms! On the other hand, if the South had been smarter, they would NOT have attacked it. They would have swallowed their anger and let the union troops sit in there forever on land that was not in the Union any longer.

The southerners let themselves be carried away by their own arrogance, patriotism, and martial spirit, and they played directly into the hands of the Union when they attacked that fort. It was the Union that wanted a big war, not the South. The Union had a purpose to the war: reunification of the original USA. The South's only purpose was to be left alone to govern themselves as they chose.

Yup. I call that an invasion. And so would you have called it, had you lived in the South at the time.

I see no more justification for the Union continuing to occupy forts on southern land than if the Confederates had been occupying a fort on Long Island or something. It's ridiculous. It's like that ridiculous Guantanamo base down in Cuba. It amazes me the nerve of the Red, White, and Blue when it comes to this sort of thing. Anyone's land automatically becomes their land, merely by virtue of their blasted flag flying over it.

The weakest link in the whole position of the South was the slavery issue...a thoroughly indefensible stand in a moral sense. Slavery had already been banned almost everywhere else in the western world by that time. I think, though, that it was more a propaganda issue, and that what underlay it was a struggle for economic and political dominance...one that the South was steadily losing, due to having a considerably smaller industry and population than the North.

The slavery issue served the same purpose as the "race card" in the O.J. Simpson trial. It was an emotional red herring, perfect for glossing over more prosaic issues and engaging the passions of the man in the street.

Lee, Jackson, and Longstreet were not fighting for slavery. They were fighting for the right to manage their own house on their own terms. They preferred dying on their feet to living on their knees...so to speak.

The D-Day invasion was a response to a previous invasion of a sovereign country. A rescue mission of an ally. It was in no way comparable to the War Between the States. There is no basis for such a comparison.

My definition of war is: One group of people organizes to deliberately attack, kill, and rob another group of people, under the auspices of a government, a religious hierarchy or some other form of temporal leadership. Then the fighting starts. After that, war takes its own predictable course of unmitigated disaster, willy-nilly, killing people en masse, until one or the other side can't fight effectively any longer. Then it ends with a totally unjust punishment being administered to the people who lost, and everyone takes a breather for awhile, and the losers quite likely keep it in mind to prepare quietly for their eventual revenge. If they're smart, they get revenge the way the Japanese did after WWII...not with guns, not with bombs, but by being better businessmen.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 10:21 PM

LH this is a movie thread, but okay:

We've already gone around a coupla times on your unique definition of what constitutes war. It's not the one in the dictionary.

It ain't an invasion to move troops around in your own country. It's a rebellion when lawful troops of your country are fired upon by extra-legal forces, such as at Fort Sumter.

As for the riots in NYC, they were not just any riots, they were a well organized mini rebellion that took federal troops to put down over a period of days if not weeks. The organizers were no mere northerners, they were primarilly immigrants afraid for their jobs against the prospect of cheap black labor, according to historian David McCullough.

Your overall argument against 'Northern aggression' would do very well against the D-Day invasion as well.

As for slavery, I hope you agree with me that there is slavery going on right now. So who can tell?

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 09:53 PM

Pfui! Stonewall was fighting for his own land and his familiar way of life, quite apart from slavery...just the way you probably would have if you'd been there, robomatic. Most southerners were not fighting primarily for slavery, they were fighting primarily for self-rule and economic and political autonomy. They were fighting against an invasion. That was certainly the case with Robert E. Lee. Slavery would in any case have ended in the South within probably 20 years or less because it was rapidly becoming economically unviable, so why kill hundreds of thousands of people over it? It was a handy emotional propaganda issue for the North, and had Jefferson Davis been a smarter man, HE would have freed the slaves in 1861 and let them serve in the Confederate Army too if they wanted to (and many would have). Are you aware that tens of thousands of northerners rioted in New York City and other places against the draft during the later part of that war and lynched every black person they could get hold of on the street, because they didn't want to "die to free the blacks"? There was a whole lot of prejudice against blacks north of the Mason Dixon Line too in those days, and there still is now. Matter of fact, it's palpable.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 09:37 PM

With neither of us driving now, and both of us rather disabled, I use NETFLIX exclusively. I just pick and choose--that's the name of the game.

Being in the valley of the Illinois River, we can get no TV through the air!! And the cable is so lame. Some day they might let us watch just those channels we actually like to watch. So, I much prefer to watch what I want -- from Netflix. It's a great boon to us with limited mobility. Get 'em in the mail. Mail 'em back. Get more!! What's not to like?

All that said, the only good movies I've seen in theaters recently were the two Shrecks and Finding Nemo. THERE! That was much easier than naming all the truly mediocre ones I've seen. I'll sit grudgingly through anything I percieve as 2 or 3 stars. But the really good 4 and 5 star films are unbelivably rare.

I am looking forward to the first 9 "24" (the title) tv shows. (Those ought to get here tomorrow.) I've heard that they are worth watching.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 09:35 PM

You were fighting to preserve the precious right to own human beings and to begin the disintegration of the United States.

Kudos

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,The Ghost of Stonewall
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 09:21 PM

We could and did speak in a way that would no doubt leave people of your modern age confounded and stupefied, given the fact that you have reputedly lost the ability to concentrate on an idea of any depth for more than a second or two. I understand that this modern deterioration in mental focus is mostly due to those noisy flickering boxes that you all sit around in front of in the evening. In my day we sat in front of fires, whether at home or in the field, some smoked, and we talked about the events of the day, and some read the Bible. I was much given to reading sacred scripture in the quiet hours. My wife and I would spend such quiet evenings reading the classics, the Holy Bible, and composing letters to loved ones in distant places. We would wait for weeks to receive a reply, and read every word with rapt attention when it arrived. This builds a good attention span in a human being.

When I hear about what has happened since in the country of my birth, I wonder what in God's name I was fighting for.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 08:35 PM

Nobody could have spoken routinely in such long, perfectly formed sentences ! Could they ?

I haven't seen the film, but I think I know what you mean.

The answer is, it seems pretty likely that they could and did. There are people today in many parts of the world who still manage to do so.
In many ways it's today's rather eroded ways of using spoken (and written) language that are the oddity.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 07:19 PM

Stole a march and borrowed "Gods And Generals" which I feel merits its acronym, or as Bart Simpson would say: "It's craptacular!"

If you haven't seen the Ken Burns series from 1990 go buy, rent or borrow it. In every way it exceeds GAG, which will leave you knowing less about the Civil War than before viewing, and is excruciating besides.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: mumblin len
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 03:17 PM

If your looking for pseudo Europeans - you can't do better than the current Governor of California playing "Hercules in New York". The blurb proclaims "with his own voice ". Well - who else's would he use ? Biggest load of drivel ever. Made about 1969. Hardly surprising as we bought 5 dvds with two films each for £4.99 ! Can't wait to see the other nine ! Sorry -make that eight -had forgotten "Gun Crazy" with Drew Barrymore. Oh no ! another trailer park movie.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 03:13 PM

All modesty aside I think I will have no trouble with historical details, I have researched for many years the Irish soldiers part in the CW, thanks to both of your recommenadtions I am looking forward to the film.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Lighter
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 03:10 PM

"Gods and Generals" : For the first time in my life I found myself agreeing with something in The National Review, namely their very positive take on this movie, along with some reasons why virtually every other critic detested it.

The film's big flaw is that the dialogue sounds too much like a nineteenth-century novel. Nobody could have spoken routinely in such long, perfectly formed sentences ! Could they ?

Other than that, it's exceptionally well done and very believable. Even better than "Gettysburg," IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 02:00 PM

I loved "Gods and Generals"...but that's not surprising, because:

1. I love Civil War history

2. I love the South, Stonewall Jackson, Mars Robert, etc...

3. There's a terrific Bob Dylan song playing over the final credits.

Really, what more could I ask? It is a very accurate historical depiction of the first 2 years of the Civil War in the field of action...during which the South won a number of spectacular victories, due to the brilliant combination of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and Longstreet, plus Jeb Stuart's cavalry.

If, however, the historical details mean little or nothing to you, then you may not like the movie all that much, I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 01:41 PM

I haven't seen it, but I've read good things about it...

Hard to go far wrong with Robert Duval....

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 01:32 PM

Can any of you movie buffs give me your opinion on Gods and Generals, starring Stephen Lang and Robert Duval, as I am interested in the US Civil War a friend has promised me copy for the week-end.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 01:18 PM

If they improve the end, the Da Vinci Code will make a pretty good movie...

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 01:10 PM

I thought Anchorman was pretty lame. Same with Elf. Just don't think the scripts that Will Ferrel gets are all that good, it seems. I was also pretty disappointed with the Martin Short Jiminy Glick Goes to La La Wood, although I do think he is pretty talented.

I recently saw a movie from a few years back called "I'm Not Rappaport" that I thought was very cute.

Not planning on seeing War of the Worlds with crazy man Cruise. I'll read the book instead. But The Da Vinci Code is intriguing.

The list goes on...

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 12:41 PM

First heard "Titus Andronicus" over the radio. It 'sounded' like Shakesepeare but what sex and violence! Hypnotized me as little else could.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 12:00 PM

I think you have identified a genre of film there Ron: Films which are so bad they are unintentionally funny. Some of the fifties science fiction films were deserving candidates. "Mars Needs Women" was hilarious.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 09:58 AM

Little Hawk, "Billy Jack Goes to Washington" makes "Trial of Billy Jack" look like "Citizen Kane"!   The amazing thing is that Laughlin dragged respected actors like Pat O'Brien (in one of his last roles) and E.G. Marshall into this. To watch them struggle with crap dialogue is amazing. There are several scenes were Laughlin used his amateur actors trying to improvise dialogue. They break up laughing in supposedly serious dialogue, all in an attempt to capture "realism".    The plot was so far-fetched. A senator passes away and the govenor decides to spring Billy Jack from jail and let him serve the last two months of the term. Who dreamt this stuff?

An ex-green beret, Native American, pacifist and a martial arts master - if only he could sing and dance he would have conquered all audiences!

If anyone wants to grab a bowl of popcorn and laugh at a seriously flawed film, this is the one!

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 04:55 AM

Shakespeare could make Tarantino blush.
Titus Andronicus has no redeeming features, pretty mediocre play as well, but with Hamlet there is the whole psychological angle.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 04:52 AM

That has been going on for some time Little Hawk. People still make a hero out of a neurotic schmuck like Hamlet and Titus Andronicus's quest for revenge is almost funny. I guess we are not as different to the seventeenth century as we sometimes like to believe!

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 12:41 AM

I thought Natural Born Killers was pretty amazing...and, yes, VERY satirical. That's what made it so good. (and I normally have no interest in movies with that kind of subject matter...meaning, extreme violence). I loved it.

I agree that Independence Day and Godzilla by the same people ought to both get on the 10 worst movies of all time list!

I liked "Road to Perdition" fairly well. I give it a 7.5, I guess.

The Billy Jack movies....ah, y' had to be there at the time to appreciate them. If you were a member of the embattled generation (as we saw ourselves), then you kind of liked them...at the time...but, by God, 10 years later you realized just how AWFULLY BAD they actually were! LOL! When I was staying at Rolling Thunder's camp there was a truck there that Tom Laughlin had donated to the camp, and it had the Billy Jack hat painted on the doors. Good truck, I'd have to say. We used it to haul lots of stuff. Rolling Thunder and his son Buffalo Horse got bit parts in the 2nd or 3rd film..."The Trial of Billy Jack". It was an excruciatingly bad movie.

The concept of people who are in favour of peace and nonviolence having a hero who beats the shit out of all the "bad guys" and seeks out remorseless and deadly revenge upon the worst of them is really one that seriously misses the moral point, in my opinion.

But, hey, it makes for good box office, right? In an unenlightened society, nothing sells like violent revenge stories...

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:10 PM

Natural Born Killers was GREAT!   I LAUGHTED my ASS off all the way through it... I mean com'on... Rodney Dangerfield as a diddlin' daddy?!?!?! How much more clue do ya need that it's satire???

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Chuck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 10:56 PM

"Natural Born Killers" is not exactly recent, but it's enough to gag a maggot

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: alanabit
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 09:44 PM

I enjoyed Crouching Tiger a lot. I also had the bonus of seeing Choo Keng again for the first time since 1983. She was a sweet kid at college -very quiet, unassuming and never one of the "Look at me" type of the prevailing drama cliques at the time. She was a fine dancer and someone you sat across from in the student canteen from time to time. I never knew her well. The film industry gave her a new name (Michelle Yeoh) and a new date of birth (I wouldn't mind one of those sometimes!) She was the last person you would have expected all that to happen to at the time. Good luck to her. I thought that was a really stylishly realised film.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 07:49 PM

"Road to Perdition" was underwhelming. Some first class actors, feeble plot, cliche father-son interaction.

"I want the money, but only the 'mob' money!" give me a break!

Totally predictable ending, by the time it showed up I was waiting for the SOB knowing they'd all get theirs in the end 'sob'.

The same folks who gave us "Independence Day" also gave us the most boring version of Godzilla ever, and the self righteously fatuous "Day After Tomorrow" the only film that could make me feel sorry for Dick Cheney! And again they wrecked New York, silly buggers.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 07:30 PM

" 'The Road to Perdition' great cast wasted on a dreadful film."

I thought that was an excellent film. See what I mean about "might actually put me off seeing something I actually might enjoy"?

"Eliminate the negative, accentuate the positive..."

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 05:34 PM

Don't be a whimp Ron!

:-P

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 05:07 PM

Pet Hate: Independence Day, was recently shown on TV, imagining having to sit through that bit of waste and have to watch commercials, too.
Bad Writing, Bad Casting, and pirated plot, full of bathos and the directors' somewhat dated hostility to New York City.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 04:59 PM

Now now Clinton, we all have different tastes and needs to be fullfilled!   :)

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 04:58 PM

Ya... stupid people under 25.... (actually I know more than a few cases where 'adults' loved it too... they lose points in my book for it)

:-P
heh

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 04:48 PM

I think Napoleon Dynamite is a generational thing.   People under 25 seem to love that film.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 04:21 PM

"Anchorman"

HA! "I love lamp..."

Oh... here ya go... worst movie EVER!

Napolion Dynamite!

Gah.... What a total waste of time and space that POS was!

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: number 6
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 04:21 PM

Monster's Ball ... one of the best I've seen in a long time.

Thanks for mentioning that weelittledrummer.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 04:13 PM

Just saw CTHD (from the library) and quite liked it. I didn't think it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, not in the running with the classic B&W Japanese samurai flicks. But it was pleasant eye candy and a good date flick.

I didn't 'get' the greatness of the hidden wires part of the deal. But the fighting choreography was excellent. It quite made me reflect on the dramatic uses of fight scenes and the 'love of battle' depicted in plays and movies versus the worse than dreary reality of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 04:09 PM

This past weekend I watched "Billy Jack Goes to Washington".   When I was in high school, the Billy Jack films were huge. The mixed messages that gave were just what my generation was looking for - at the time.

"Billy Jack Goes to Washington" never saw theatrical release. Watching the DVD, I'm not sure they ever finished it! Based on the Jimmy Stewart classic "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington", this film lacked the acting skills of Jimmy Stewart and Claude Rains. Because the story was about politics, there was no need for the fight scenes that made Billy Jack popular. Still, they threw in one scene just so we could see him take off his boots and kick the crap out of a band of knife wielding African Americans.

I can see why it was never released.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Cluin
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:52 PM

"Anchorman", I'm still not sure about. But I laughed my ass off. Same with "Old School".

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:07 PM

I donno that that's much of a rumour...   Probably more like fact...

Too bad The Da Vinci Code is so lacking in same....

:-P

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:01 PM

Rumour is that Tom Hanks and Ian McKellen are on location in Lincoln this week filming the said da vinci code

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 02:58 PM

See, I suspect that The Da Vinci Code will make a good movie, casue they'll be able to improve the ending...

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 02:20 PM

Miyazaki's "Howl's Moving Castle" was a very poor successor to the wonderful "Spirited Away". The kids liked it, anyway.

Haven't seen it yet but I predict "Da Vinci Code" will suck worse than the book because it will not only have to be stupid, but PC as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 02:18 PM

recently only one film drove me out - can't remeber the title but it was about a an American who became a princess. i needed to pass an hour and I did, or so it seemed in about 15 minutes.

so many great films - I cant see what you're complaining about

Life is Sweet
Amelie
Monsters Ball
Iris
That Thing You Do

sure they make some bad ones but they have to churn out rubbish for idiots. they makeup the largest part of the customers.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 02:03 PM

Oooooh! CTHD was GREAT! And Hero was even better!

:-P

I sat (laid) through 'Dude Where's The Party' and 'Harold And Kumar Go TO White Castle' the other night (The joys of The Movie Network) and they were goofy enough to be enjoyable... The were no "But I'm A Cheerleader" but I didn't resent the time I invested...

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,maire-aine
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 01:51 PM

Film I hated most: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon! Usually I just pass up something if I'm not enthusiastic, but my friend told me I'd "love" it. Right. If I'd had my own car, I'd've got up and left.

Funny-- after all this time, that one movie still bugs me.

M

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 01:41 PM

"Million Dollar Baby"!!! How this won all those awards I do not know! I'm a big boxing fan, but this film bored the pants off me. Okay, there's some great acting going on, but the plot - and particularly, the ending - is so corny!

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Cluin
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 01:40 PM

Renting "Birth" has resulted in a banning of all future Nicole Kidman movies from our household. Not that I ever liked her much anyway; I've always had an inherent and unexplainable dislike for her. This was just the frond that fractured the dromedary's spine.

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 12:00 PM

These are a bit old since I wait for them to come out at my Rental Store or Library...

"The Aviator" was rubbish. I was really disappointed and am starting to come to the conclusion that Scorcese is losing it. Sad that, but it was a total bore, with Leo De Caprio badly miscast.

"The Road to Perdition" great cast wasted on a dreadful film. I kept asking myself "Why was this made"?

and decent?

"Sideways". Nothing huge, but a small, well written film with characters written in the grey areas, not just black and white. Made me WISH I could drink wine!!

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:55 AM

Clinton Hammond:

As to Dukes of Hazzard I heard a radio reviewer recently on the subject, and he said something like, "I was supposed to review this movie, but I found there's no movie there to review. What it is, is a collection of exploitable elements, but there's no movie there." He went on, but that's the essential message.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:47 AM

School of Rock - the acting was excellent, the music absolutely right, the story well thought through. Cinematography spot on. But the publicity was pitched as an intelligent thought provoking romp.

It was a kiddies film fer gawds sake.

So not such a crappy movie as a con.