BS: What the hell got into Canada?

Subject: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: 282RA
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:51 PM

They were supposed to be the rational part of North America

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:54 PM

Hey, the guy's like 120 years old OK so give him a break.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:55 PM

There was an earlier thread on this just a few days ago.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: John O'L
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:59 PM

Canada has been sitting on clean faster-than-light technology for centuries. This guy remembers.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 10:07 PM

282RA, Paul Hellyer is a very smart and sensible man, not nutty in the least, and he has been giving public talks on this in Canada for a long time...but the news media give it virtually no attention, nor does the government (some of whom know what they are not willing to tell). They just mention it on the rarest of occasions, very briefly, so people can make the usual jokes and tinfoil hat remarks, which is what people like to do.

It makes them feel smart. ;-)

And that's all I'm going to say about it. Period.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: GUEST,the ghost of John Diefenbaker
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 10:12 PM

I thought he was a nut back then, and this now proves he still is a nut.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: Beer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 10:18 PM

Paul Fucked up our forces back in the 60's with unification and that is all I'm going to say about it.
Period.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 10:46 PM

I don't know Paul Hellyer but it seems that if he was a defense minister he should have some credibility.

I see nothing wrong with his statement that, "We need to persuade governments to come clean on what they know."

What's the harm?

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:11 PM

Hey, 282RA: hope you are feeling better than you were a few days back.

Hell, you gotta hear about one of our Prime Ministers, William Lyon Mackenzie King. He got advice from both his wife AND his dogs, all of whom were named Pat. The thing is, they were dead, and he communicated with them in seances. He also spoke with da Vinci and an earlier Prime Minister of Canada, Laurier (I think). There is very little we find strange in our politics. Our first Prime Minister, Sir John A Macdonald, drank an incredible amout of alcohol. He went on a three day bender while he was PM, and when he finally got to the House of Commons, he was being castigated by the opposition for being absent to much, and there were veiled hints that usually it was because he was somewhat the worst for wear. Macdonald rose to address the remarks, but three days of boozing and the heat in the House got his stomach really upset, and he barfed on the floor. When he'd done and used his handkerchief to wipe his mouth he said, "That is all I have to say to my worth opponent across the aisle." Paul Hellyer (who as LH noted) has been talking about his belief that UFOs exist and that various governments are covering it up for years. This isn't even news in Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: heric
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:18 PM

and that Bush has authorized a forward base on the moon to shoot at them at will.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: kendall
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 07:16 AM

Seeing a UFO is no big deal. All it means is you saw something that you couldn't identify. That happened to me back in 1969.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 08:59 AM

Could be too that you ingested something you should have identified.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:13 AM

I contributed to the other thread on this "Global warming? No problem! (maybe)".
The existence of UFOs is not an impossible idea. I haven't seen one myself but that does not mean that nobody else has.
The thing I found difficult was the idea of UFO crashes - how many does he think there have been for us to get all this information on their advanced technology?

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:26 AM

So things things crash - CRASH - and we want their technology?

Hmmm.

sian

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 10:38 AM

'Hmmm' indeed, Sian!

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: Metchosin
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:09 AM

hell.....if he's been on some of the meds they've given my 86 year old mother over the past couple of years, if UFO's are all he's seeing, he's in good shape...

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: GUEST,Seiri Omaar
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:20 AM

Elaboration on W.L.M. King:
Privately, he was highly eccentric with his preference for communing with spirits, including those of Leonardo da Vinci, Sir Wilfrid Laurier, his dead mother, and several of his dogs, all named Pat. He sought personal reassurance from the spirit world, rather than seeking political advice. Indeed, after his death, one of his mediums said that she had not realized that he was a politician. King asked whether his party would win the 1935 election, one of the few times politics came up during his seances. His occult interests were not widely known during his years in office, and only became publicized later. In 1953 Time Magazine stated, "that he owned—and used—both a Ouija board and a crystal ball. In the 1970s biographers used the extensive diaries he kept during most of his life to delve deeper into his occult activities. One person he held seances with was Canadian Artist Homer Watson.

Quite a character...
Source: Clicky clicky

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:24 AM

The way I heard the John A. story was that he was electioneering with the rival candidate, who finished his speech when John A. threw up. Then mounting the platform, he said, "My opponent's speeches always have that effect on me."

Not as good as the quip the Alberta statesman Frank Oliver (I believe it was) came up with. His neophyte rival had compared himself to David, versus Goliath. When Oliver got up, he said, "My opponent compares himself to the wrong Biblical character - since he is using the weapon that Samson used to destroy the thousand Philistines ... "













(i.e., the jawbone of an ass).

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: able
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:56 AM

I saw Paul Hellyer speak on UFO's, and the obviously less intelligent female moderator all but called him a nut. I have never seen a ufo, and the fact that 75% of the sightings are made by women doesn't increase my confidence. The simple fact is, most sightings are made by people with no technical knowledge. They can't explain it, therefor it is a spaceship. From my own experience, what I can say is that there has been an explosion in technology, most of which doesn't seem to have a logical root. I learned electronics in the days of tube technology, the transistor had just been invented, and after that, everything cut loose at such a rapid rate that you could spend all day everyday, trying to keep up to all the new developments. All this, in a world that took 30,000 years to discover flight, nuclear fission, etc, etc. Einstein said, with all that's out there, how could we not believe in life somewhere else in space. What really puts me off, are the number of women reporting the intimate examinations of their reproductive systems by these aliens. Think about it, aliens who have the technology to travel through space, and they still can't figure out the female reproductive system. If some grey skinned guy with big eyes and no mouth puts a shingle up saying he/it is a gynecologist, don't go. Seriously, the advances in technology are what has scared the hell out of me. Attention seeking nuts are detracting from what I think may or may not be a serius matter. What about others who have seen this explosion in technology from a technical viewpoint.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: GUEST, Grimmy
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:08 PM

Perhaps these aliens think we're not ready to receive their wisdom. Perhaps they judge that we might misuse our newly-gained powers. They possibly deem us too immature to handle this secret knowledge.

BUT THEY'LL SOON CHANGE THEIR TUNE AFTER WE TORTURE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM!!!

BTW I was recently abducted by aliens. An unfortunate 'incident' took place during the physical examination. I have to inform you all that we are officially at war with Neptune.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:26 PM

One guy I am really worried about is Mr. Lear of the LEar Jet family.

He used to be forward thinking but has now become certifiably delusional and believes we have bases on the moon and Mars that are supplied several times a month.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:03 AM

Donuel -

It was my impression that THE "Mr. Lear of the Lear Jet family" died in 1978. If this is correct, then some minor deterioration of his faculties might, by now, be expected.

It's possible, of course, that there was a descendant "Mr Lear" but as the compay (Lear Jet) was losing immense amounts of money by the time of the sale to the Canadian Bombardier (which is actually a money-laundring front for French financiers), the family apparently inherited so little that the entire clan (if there is one) has passed into obscurity in the home area of the airplane, and they are completely unknown and unheard of here so far as I've been informed.

John

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:41 AM

'The way I heard the John A. story was that he was electioneering with the rival candidate, who finished his speech when John A. threw up. Then mounting the platform, he said, "My opponent's speeches always have that effect on me."'

Yep. Yours sounds righter than moine. Yours is the way I recall it being from when I was in my late 70s. As my centennial birthday approaches, I find my mind somewhat cloudier and my memory difficult to acquire. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: 3refs
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 05:31 AM

If your going to pick on Old Hellyer, I'm of the understanding that a President had some rather extraordinary comments, and he made them to the whole freakin universe. Nothing wrong with thinking "out there"! Just don't tell anybody!
"We cast this message into the cosmos . . . Of the 200 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy, some - - perhaps many - - may have inhabited planet and space faring civilizations. If one such civilization intercepts Voyager and can understand these recorded contents, here is our message: We are trying to survive our time so we may live into yours. We hope some day, having solved the problems we face, to join a community of Galactic Civilizations. This record represents our hope and our determination and our goodwill in a vast and awesome universe." President Jimmy Carter's official statement placed on the Voyager spacecraft for its trip outside our solar system, June 16, 1977

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: Charmion
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 05:11 PM

Wearing my Canadian military historian hat, here:

Over the last 60 years or so, the Department of National Defence has received literally thousands of communications of various kinds demanding that the Canadian Forces cough up what it knows about UFOs, and every single such communication has received the same reply: "We know nothing." The CF knows and reports a lot of stuff about marsh gas, the Aurora Borealis, meteorites and thunderstorms, but those hot in pursuit of flying saucers just don't want to know.

Back in the '60s and '70s, the heyday of UFO "research", my Dad was the guy who answered those letters (shaking his head) and I've seen some of them in the files -- he did the job honestly. During the late 1980s, I was employed at the National Archives of Canada and the historical section at National Defence Headquarters, and I handled some of that correspondence, too -- 100 percent bran flakes.

Mr. Hellyer has always been -- shall we say -- an adventurous thinker. And don't blame him for the unification of the CF: he just happened to be in the chair when the project went into the implementation phase.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: GUEST,Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:37 AM

I can give another clue about what Charmion said about UFOs and the Canadian Forces. Every base or installation had (probably still has) a Duty Officer with instructions on the reporting of UFOs. These were duly passed up the chain of command to NDHQ with copies to Air Command HQ. The reports were a PITA, but properly filled out in the main. When the local artillery units went out to do co-ordinated illumination shoots we would sometimes get a spate of reports. One does not "gundeck" such reports, you never know whether or not it is a test.

Subject: RE: BS: What the hell got into Canada?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:51 AM

Seeing a UFO is no big deal. All it means is you saw something that you couldn't identify.

Happens to me all the time. Birds, planes, clouds - blowed if I know what sort they are.