Origins of: Found on Mudcat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 01:07 PM

You're absolutely welcome from all of Mudcat's denizons, Gareth. See you around on the 'Cat.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Aug 01 - 08:21 PM

Ode to Billy Joe/Tallahassie(sic) Bridge

Ode to Billy Joe /Jumped off a bridge?

Big Rock Candy Mountain, Burl Ives' Version (good stuff on the origin)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 10:24 PM

Thanks, Kat. Those threads on the Ode to Billy Joe were great.

Scottish Emigrant's Farewell
 
Bluenose
Bluenose
Bluenose
 
Another one on Kumbya
 
Sea Chanteys That wonderful one that Cranky Yankee started
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
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Date: 16 Aug 01 - 05:30 PM

Wimoweh/Lion Sleeps Tonight(original)
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 18 Aug 01 - 08:48 PM

Canadian Boat Song
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 28 Aug 01 - 10:38 PM

Found a nice thread that Joe started last year.

Gospel Origin-Civil Rights & Labor Songs

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:03 PM

Ghost Riders in the Sky
 
Ghost Riders In the Sky #1
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:36 PM

Another good thread on the origins of Lavender Blue/Dilly Dilly is Lavender Blue/Dilly Dilly Older Thread

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Gloredhel
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 09:39 PM

You'd better add Raglan Road. (don't know how to do blue clicky)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 07:37 AM

Canticle From Scarborough Fair
Wimbeldon Fair
Scarborough Fair
Scarborough Fair - Uncorrupting The Corruptible
 
Magpie
 
Raglan Road
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 11:11 AM

Bread & Roses - A Women's Labour Song
 
False Bride/I Loved a Lad(Lass)
 
Gentleman Soldier/Sentry Box/Soldier's Cloak
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 11:57 AM

I'll see George Seto's 2 Dark Island links, and raise him two more:

NEW: The Dark Isle (This is chronologically 1st)
Tune Req: Tune Req: The Dark Isle. Anyone kno (this is chronologically 2nd. George's would be 3rd and 4th)

Also:
The Snows They Melt the Soonest

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:11 PM

Babes In The Wood

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From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:20 PM

The World is Old

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From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:41 PM

How about Old Paint

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From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:46 PM

And this old favorite Drinking Gourd

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 01:45 PM

Thanks for those, Jeri, Lonesome and Mary. Very interesting threads. Really a great education coming here to the Mudcat!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 03:51 PM

Here's a cute one:

Three Little Fishes

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
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Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:05 PM

Sleeping At the End of the Bed
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 05:50 AM

WYSIWYG, sure, the more the merrier.

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Date: 08 Sep 01 - 09:45 PM

Log Driver's Waltz
 
Going To the West
 
Happy Birthday Song
 
Happy Birthday Song
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 10:58 PM

George, will you be asking him or should I?

And hi everyone-- thanks for inspiring me to start indexing the spirituals. I am watching how you go about this-- are you each finding what you posted yourselves, or what are you doing to find these?

I started by doing a search among my own ADD's, and then I started looking at Stewie's. Any other ideas? (Yes I did a search on the word [spirituals].) Or others you think may have posted a lot of spirituals?

And if you run into blues items that have origins as spirituals (specific ones), wouldja give me a holler in a PM, like a link to the message here where it's posted?

Thanks, and GOGOGOGOGOGOGO!

~S~

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 02:16 AM

NEW San Antonio Rose
 
I Dreamed There Were Unicorns - Bill Caddick
 

What I have been doing is looking through old messages. I'm up in the 300s right now. As I find something that gives me an origin on a song, I make note of it, and put it here.

Good thread, your Spirituals one. I'll add to it as I see something which fits there.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 08:25 AM

George, which old messages-- what criteria, and which of the Mudcat search functions?

Thanks,

~Susan

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 10:11 AM

Well, I go through the message base, one by one. Using this url,

http://ragtime.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=

and put in a number after the equal sign.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:01 AM

Oy!

Here's my plan: I decided I am going to build the spirituals index in Excel, searching by keywords, pasting in URL's by Copy Shortcut. Then I can paste the song title into that field and then I can search-replace around the URL to add the blicky coding, and line breaks, and let Excel aphabetize them. I should end up with a converted text file of working, alphabetized links.

Then I think I will do forum searches and supersearches using the titles of known spirituals from the OTHER index of spirituals I am building from various online databases-- spirituals that have appeared in known printed works or online collections.

I wonder if a method your group could use would be taking DT song titles and doing forum Filter and Supersearches on those? You would have two windows open, or three-- one with the search box and one with DT titles, then you'd copy from the DT title list and paste in the search box? That's how I will do my searches-by-title I think.

Any other tips you can share with me?

~Susan

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:18 AM

Sounds great, Susan.

I think you mis-apprehend. There is no "group" as such for this thread. I started it, and anyone is welcome to add to it as they encounter something.

I started a project of my own to see what was in some of the "ancient" threads, and so started with message #0. This started after I did the initial collection for this thread. This thread came about because I noticed a lot of messages looking for the background or origins to songs, many of which were already discussed, so I thought I'd put them into one central thread. Much like you're doing on the Spirituals. AFter I got the major group done, others added to it, and Katlaughing thought it would be nice to have an alphabetized list, and I thought it was a wonderful idea. So, any new additions have imposed on her good graces to add them to the alphabetized list.

There is no "central authority" in this thread. I'm just rambling through the old messages and as I find a discussion which fits in here, I add it in.

Some of those pertain to old lyric requests and I try to answer them if I can, either with links to later discussions, or posting lyrics if I can find them.

Sometime I will have to add to the Unanswered Requests threads those I have seen which still aren't answered and I can't find.

Anyway, let's keep having fun.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:21 AM

Personally, I am nowhere near as organized as you.

As I said, I started with message #0 and I'm into the 300s right now. LAbour Day was great. I was here pretty near 18 hours and went from about 220 to about 305 in the one day. Usually, I get 4 or 5 done in a day.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:46 AM

George, I think I just learned to rely on what I can with file and text conversions, before I had a computer that could search as fast as this one. Both ways are good.

Of course you know what will happen-- as soon as we make a little more progress someone will come along with the REALLY easy way! *G*

~Susan

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 01:26 PM

I propose we form the Finders-Keepers of Mudcat. There is a LOT of indexing needed around here, and there must be people willing to head up other work groups. Just think, if one is a FINDER we all get to KEEP what we have here.

~S~

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Sourdough
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 09:11 PM

George -

This is such a weolcome reminder of what Mudcat is really about, a place where people with knowledge share it with people with interest.

I think I got some idea of what is involved when you described what you were able to get done in 18 hours of work.

Thank you so very much for what is more than a convenience, it will turn out to be a real reference book.

Sourdough

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 11:46 AM

You're very welcome, Sourdough. As long as there are people who enjoy what the Mudcat is all about then we'll have many others who will contribute interesting items to the threads.

HEre's anothere one:Sweet Betsey From Pike
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:55 PM

Makes Sense Kat!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:44 PM

Dueling Banjos
 
Good Old Rebel
 
Red Haired Man's Wife
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: UB Ed
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 03:13 PM

Do it Kat! Bless you for the time and wherewithall.

Ed

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 05:29 PM

That "Guest" was actually me. Sorry. I think it's a great idea.

Boil Dem Cabbage Down
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:13 PM

LOL, thanks, George. I will get it done by the end of this week, then. Thanks, Ed.

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
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Date: 25 Oct 01 - 09:56 PM

All The Tunes in the World

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Date: 25 Oct 01 - 10:19 PM

Johnny Be Fair

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 01:24 AM

Kat, if Joe is going to designate that you can have a Permathread, all you need to do is start a Part Two of this one as a feeder thread, and later a Part Three if needed, etc., and make a Permathread that always has the latest updated and re-alphabetized list. Just be sure each feeder thread has a big bold headline-sized link to the Permathread of alphabetized material. And each feeder thread should say in its opening post that it IS a feeder thread.

Another option if Joe does not want another Permathread on the block, is just always start another Part each time you update and re-alphabetize-- make it the opening post of the new Part, and leave all the comments and contributions intact in the previous parts. Then your ending post as you bring each part to a close would be something like, "Please see Part X (CLICK!) for an alphabetized list of all submissions to date, or to add links to newly-found "Origins" threads."

~S~

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:35 AM

I just found this thread. Amazing

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 09:10 AM

My Green Valleys

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From:
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 09:15 PM

Croppy Boy
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 08 Dec 01 - 01:27 PM

Christmas Bells - I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 07:59 PM

Loch Tay Boat SongKatlaughing, in the alphabetized set, there are a number of references to Loch Lomond threads. The first one listed, is the same thread as the 4th one, #9274

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: MMario
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 08:07 PM

george - I am amazed at the sheer ambition of your project! well done! keep up the good work.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 09:19 PM

Lads of Virginia - History?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:05 PM

Thanks for the kind words. MMario.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:41 PM

So what you can do is enter two columns of stuff Thread Name and URL
This shouldn't take too much effort, since you just copy the thread name and paste it in between the HTML tags.
You set up the second column so it has a whole bunch of <a href=></a>
You can copy the shortcut for a specific link and paste it into the correct place in the HTML in the second column.
Copy the text of the link, and paste it into the first column, and into the HTML for the link.

Now you can highlight both columns, and sort them by alphabetical order of the first column - "Thread Name."
When you get ready to paste them into a thread, just select the second column to paste, and you're all done.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:55 PM

Oops. I meant columns in an Excel spreadsheet, which is what WYSIWYG was talking about up there for creating an alphabetical listing to just copy and paste into the thread. Guess it doesn't apply to the consolidation thing anyway...ah, well. Nivver mind.