BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 06:38 PM

I have a simple voting strategy. I never vote for Republicans or Democrats. It's either Libertarian or An Illegal Alien, my write in candidate for all seasons and all reasons.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 06:25 PM

When there's an Anarchy Party I'll vote for them.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 05:55 PM

"Libertarian" used to be an alternative way to describe yourself when you were an Anarchist and didn't want to scare the horses. When did these rightwing bastards get to steal the term?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: gnu
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 05:36 PM

Them there Libertarians seem like a bunch a nut cases ta this good old boy after readin Don's post. I never paid any attention on accounta we don't got em up North. We got
these guys and they make a lot more sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 05:28 PM

What Don says...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 04:50 PM

No, Hinky, you're not a misanthrope, you're a nincompoop. A racist nincompoop.

But then, that's redundant.

You don't even know the name of the presidential candidate you plan to vote for? [Why am I not surprised?] The Libertarian Party Presidential candidate is Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico. I won't be voting for him, I will be voting for Barack Obama, but at least I am sufficiently well informed to know who the Libertarian Party candidate is. Unlike you.

And I ALSO know the Libertarian Party's platform.

Voting for Johnson will make a statement, you say? Well, a fart in a hurricane can be said to make a statement also (that you're a bag of gas!), but it's not something anyone would even notice, and it certainly won't do much to change the world.

Unless, of course, Johnson were to actually get elected. In that case, it will give the expression about "the shit hitting the fan" a whole new dimension!

The parts that I agree with. The Libertarian Party favors the right of individuals to make free choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. This would include such things as gay marriage and abortion on demand, plus the free exercise of religion as long as it does not interfere with the beliefs, or lack thereof, of others.

Where I back off a bit is that they would repeal all laws having to do with the use of "recreational" drugs. Legalize, regulate, and tax it, say I. But the Libertarian Party would also repeal funding for any medical assistance for any consequences thereof. If you O.D. or become addicted, you're on your own.

Also, any kind of public health, such as ObamaCare or other system such as those in the CIVILIZED countries of the world (including Taiwan and Thailand)? Fuggitaboutit!! If you are diagnosed with cancer or get hit by a bus, you're on your own.

The Libertarian Party would also:

Repeal the income tax.
Abolish ALL Federal programs and services.
Repeal all regulations having to do with banks and the financial industry.
Repeal all labor laws and regulations.
Repeal Social Security.
Repeal all laws having to do with business, including the repeal of laws against the formation of trusts, cartels, and monopolies

The Libertarian Party favors pure, unlimited Free Enterprise.

I got all this from the Libertarian Party's web sites. CLICKY.

For further information about where the Libertarian Party is coming from, read the following works by Ayn Rand:

The 1,000 page novel, Atlas Sjrugged, or at least the fifty page "John Galt's Speech" toward the end of the novel.

And two non-fiction works by Ayn Rand, Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal and The Virtue of Selfishness.

Don Firth

Vote for Obama/Biden. Not ideal, perhaps, but the other alternatives would take us on a bee-line off the edge of the cliff.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 02:22 PM

al-Obama. Not Al-Obama. Spell it properly.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 02:19 PM

When a troll says something racist it doesn't necessarily mean they are actually particularly racist, just that they know the people they are aiming at are liable to get angry at racism - and that's the point. Hence "Al-Obama". "Rabbi Obama" would do just as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Arkie
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 01:18 PM

Since misanthropes and racist may use the same type of epithets I, for one can understand how they might be confused.

On the matter of Gen. Powell, I can only say Amen to comments from John in Kansas and others. He earned my respect on the battlefield and he continued to receive that respect when he became involved in politics. Although I am normally more sympathetic to the Democratic party's approach to to issues, I have no personal animosity to Republicans or to a conservative approach to problem solving. It would be disastrous for the country if one viewpoint to constantly prevailed because most issues are complex with multiple factors to consider. People with progressive attitudes and ideas need to engage with others of a more conservative attitude to provide a meaningful solution and one that serves the best interest of the country. If the Republican party could only return to the sanity of people like Powell, or even Jeb Bush imagine what kind of legislation we could get from Congress and the manner in which current problems could be managed. Now, I know, Congress has never been a perfect, or even near perfect institution, but I do not recall during my lifetime when one faction has completely sold it soul to private interests and completely sold out the ordinary citizen.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 11:10 AM

I'm not a racist. I'm a misanthrope. Big difference. Why deleted? Crybabies.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 11:07 AM

I seem to remember posting here that the only conceivable reason for saying "Al-Obama" is undiluted racism. I wonder why such a post might have been deleted.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 10:55 AM

But it makes a statement.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 10:39 AM

""I don't even know the name of the Libertarian candidate.
But I'm voting for him.""

I'm glad to hear it Krankle. Better that real F**kwits vote in a way that can't affect the outcome.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 10:29 AM

I'm not at war. Someone has to beg the question and push the envelope. So I've appointed myself. I don't have any hard feelings.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 10:23 AM

That I can understand, Henry. But face it buddy, it's a part of politics on which people can agree to disagree.

Back in the 1960s I was at a place called People's Park in Berkeley, California. Hot as a bonfire that day. I got to speak with a national guardsman who was behind a fence. He had a rifle and I noticed his weapon wasn't on safe. I mentioned it to him--I'd been a soldier myself--and said, "Trust me. We're more afraid of the gun than we are of you. Safe it, man." He did and said "Sorry." We talked for a few minutes, I passed him some water and moved on. Hell, we were about the same age.

Your nation has been ripped apart by some seriously bad people. Fighting with each other does nothing. Learning each others points of view--while you may not agree--at least provides for a no-fire zone in which you can trade perspectives.

When people draw lines in the sand, someone always gets hurt. Pride should never determine who's right or wrong.

I am a good fighter in real life. Not great, just good. I know that because I haven't been in a fist fight for about ten years. Better to walk away than hurt someone or get hurt. The last guy I hit I took to the hospital because I'd broken some bones in his hand: back fist. After I struck him I mentioned that I was an emergency medical responder and that I thought he should have his hand X-rayed. I heard the bones crack and knew he was in pain.

That is not to tell you 'how tough I am', because I'm not, but it is to tell you that had I the chance to deal with it differently I would. Talk talk is always better than war war.

I wish the war war going on here would stop. I like peace because it's peaceful. Bobert and Gnu are truly good folks, and in a room together you'd be with friends. Let's pretend we're in a room together.

Last guy to fart buys the beer.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 09:53 AM

I think he's endorsing him because Romney is just another Criminal Junior Bush. And he doesn't want more pointless wars. But Prez al-Obama sold us out to the banks. So Colon Powell's endorsement is meaningless.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 09:50 AM

"but the US is in the middle of a major retard spell"

No offense, but 'retard' is not now, never was nor ever will be a noun in my house.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 09:47 AM

Henry, give it a rest, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 09:40 AM

Yes, I see the Republican pundits are now playing "the race card" in an attempt to discredit General Powell's endorsement of Obama, implying that Powell only did it because they are both "Black." I suppose knowing you have such company, Henry, makes you feel real good.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 09:15 AM

And Death Camps.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 09:13 AM

You're the Marxist around these parts,bobette. Whether you go extreme right or extreme left you get the same results. Slavery and censorship.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 09:05 AM

You must be suffering from Romnesia, Krinkx... Next thing ya' know you'll be singing praise for Obama and quoting Chairman Mao...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 08:30 AM

Very simple bobette. I'm a misanthrope. Not a racist. I don't care what color you are.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 08:21 AM

What, Krinkx... Yer allowed to spread your hate of Obama and black people and not be called on it???

Get real...

You won't see me ever back down from racists... Ya'll don't have this shield around you that allows you to spread hate and not be called on it by saying that those of us who call you on it are playing the "race card"...

Ya'll deal with yer racism and then you won't have to worry about being called out on it... Purdy simple...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 05:55 AM

Colin Powell was an army general first and foremost. Not a political hack. He was the Bush criminal's token negro. Never a true Republican.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 03:34 AM

There you go again, bobette. That race card again. And you're always the first to pull it out. Shameful.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 11:00 PM

Sorry, gn-ze, but the US is in the middle of a major retard spell... Most folks don't hold a candle to an animal cracker in an IQ showdown... You have way too many people who hate black people for us to move on as a nation...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Beer
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 10:54 PM

Very well said as well Jeri.
adrien

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: gnu
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 10:53 PM

Darn! Too bad the whole USA couldn't sound more like the Mudcatters in this thread and appreciate people who do a good job. I know that sounds "high school" but I can dream, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 10:20 PM

I totally agree with 999.

Colin Powell represents the Republican party I'd respect--the one with compassion and integrity. I believe he endorsed Obama because the current Repubs have shifted so far to the loonie right that Obama's closer to a moderate [anyparty] candidate than anyone who sought the Republican nomination.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 10:06 PM

John in Kansas-

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

That's why I encouraged this thread.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 09:03 PM

Great post, Arkie.

JiK: I have long considered you to be one of THE posters to this forum who is consistently thoughtful, informed, intelligent and one who always always makes sense. I wish you would run for office at whatever level you'd feel comfortable. If I were an American I'd vote for you in a trice regardless of your party affiliation.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 07:02 PM

Good post, Arkie...

Mark 14:5... "take head lest any man deceive you".... Romney says he has a 5 point plan but refuses to tell you what is in it...

Romney rattles sabers when it come to Iran... Jesus tells Luke (Luke 12:46) "For ye lade men with burden grievous to be borne and ye yourselves touch not the burden with one of your fingers"... How many of the Romneys have served??? None...

Romney is a hypocrite and a liar...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 07:01 PM

OPINION:

Colin Powell is one of an unfortunately very few persons who served in prominent places during the Bush Administration to whom I credit an acceptable level of rational honesty, and whose opinions I generally respect. During his time in service, he demonstrated an apparently sincere concern for what he believed was best for the country, with the minimally necessary obeissance to "the boss" under whom he happened to be serving. Even in cases where I had some disagreement with his assessments and with the policies he recommended, he never failed to provide rational and credible arguments for what he did, that considered the entire effect on the country that he obviously respects.

It is unfortunate that his most prominent service was within an administrate devoid of any ability to take rational actions, whenever they contradicted "the party line."

I consider his endorsement of President Obama an exceedingly powerful contribution for those of us who still (despite the odds) have some hope for the country.

Although at this point the endorsement is somewhat suprefluous for those of us who have tried to remain rational regarding the recent conduct of Congress, and the Republican blockade of needed actions that could have been quite helpful to the country, and for those who still hold out some hope for that the country may survive despite the obeisance by so-called Conservative Republicans to exactly the same policies and plan instituted by the Nazi party in 1938 and therafter,

I, for one, do appreciate Mr. Powell's recent statement of endorsement of rational government.

Thank you, Mr. Powell.


Generally, I just assume that any thread started by Mr(?) Krinkle is not worth reading, and it's quite likely I will regret violating my general inclination to not contribute to any such. I have, however, missed a couple of recent threads solely because they looked too much like something he might have started, so I did look at this one "just in case" and the subject of the endorsement deserves discussion.

Please note that my statement of an opinion is not addressed to the mindless troll, but is intended for those capable of rational thinking, as there appeared to be some here who have usually shown at least some such abilities, but may have inadvertently forgotten to include that in their decisions to respond at all to Herr Heinrich.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Arkie
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 06:39 PM

While one might hear some sensible things from the Libertarian Party it seems like their primary belief and the those of the present republican leadership is that the biggest, strongest, and wealthiest have every right to use everyone else however they see fit and in any way they can benefit. The leadership of the religious right has cast lots with the exploiters in the name of anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. And their pathetic little sheep have waddled after them dragging their tails behind them.

The Old Testament speaks often of the priests and prophets who have become allies with oppressive ruling forces. One instance: Zechariah 13:3 "I will remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land. And if anyone still prophesies, their father and mother, to whom they were born, will say to them, 'You must die, because you have told lies in the Lord's name.' Then their own parents will stab the one who prophesies."

This quote is not mentioned as a proof text giving permission to begin stabbing prophets but to illustrate the serious nature of a charge against religious leaders who abandon a mission of service to the common citizens and to God to join forces with civil government for the sake of personal gain.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: gnu
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 06:22 PM

Indeed. I always thought highly of Powell. Well said, Don and 9.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 06:19 PM

"And Colin Powell, although he is a Republican, is one of those rare people (especially for a Republican these days) who sees things as they ARE."

The man has serious intelligence and guts. I think it's a shame he is not on Obama's staff of advisers. His politics take second place to his view, and for sure second place to his love of the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 05:54 PM

There is a great deal about the Libertarian Party that I agree with.

But its FATAL FLAW is that its founding was initiated by fans of the writings of Ayn Rand, and the fundamental principles of that party are strictly in line with her beliefs—which would allow businesses and financial institutions, release from all government oversight and regulation, to play it completely "deuces wild."

Even relatively mild forms of the ideas that Ayn Rand espoused—ideas that the Libertarian Party wants to make national policy—are what precipitated the Wall Street crash of 1929 and the Great Depression (25% unemployment nationwide). At that time, there were no "safety nets" like unemployment insurance or Social Security. There were people literally starving on the streets. Social Security was one of the many programs instituted by Franklin D. Roosevelt as part of the "New Deal," along with the WPA and the CCC, that put people back to work on such projects as much needed road and bridge building—infrastructure we still use today, but now needs maintenance and repair. This gave previously unemployed people a paycheck, which they had to go out and immediately spend--on things like food and rent--and this sudden influx of money back into the economy from the grass roots is what got the economy going again. Snowball effect!

FDR also instituted a series of regulatory agencies such as the Securities and Exchange Commission, to prevent things like the Wall Street crash from ever happening again.

Roosevelt's "New Deal" dug us out of the Depression and was a major basis for the general prosperity of the 1950s and 60s. Ronald Reagan trashed these regulatory agencies by such things as putting Wall Street financiers and brokers in charge of the Securities and Exchange Commission—classic "fox in charge of the chicken coop"—and did the same thing to the other regulators (appointed drug company executives to the Food and Drug Administration, for example).

Despite this, Carter and Clinton managed to keep things fairly well glued together, but when George W. Bush became president, the hand-puppet with both Dick Cheney's and Karl Rove's hands up his ass, he sent the country heading straight for the cliff.

The recent popping of the "Wall Street Bubble" was the result.

Barack Obama has been doing his damnedest to try to stop the hemorrhaging, with some success, BUT with the Republican Congress fighting him every step of the way.

Romney is Reagan redux. Only worse!

And the Libertarian Party wants to take the country back to before 1929!

So Hinkle, go ahead and vote for either the Libertarian Party or Romney. But when you wind up living in a cardboard carton in a back alley, and singing "Buddy, can you spare a dime?" in earnest—

—don't say I didn't warn you!

Don Firth

P. S. What am I wasting my time for? Trying to introduce Hinky to the Real World is like trying teach an oyster to dance ballet.

P. P. S. And Colin Powell, although he is a Republican, is one of those rare people (especially for a Republican these days) who sees things as they ARE.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Pres Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 04:40 PM

Mr. Noble appreciates my thread. He said so. You're just scared I might take away some votes from your wonder boy. Well. I hope I do.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 03:48 PM

I don't support Herr Romney or Mr. al-Obama.
I don't even know the name of the Libertarian candidate.
But I'm voting for him.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 03:45 PM

I saw the endorsement this morning on CBS... Powell basically said that he thought Obama was more competent and consistent...

No surprise there... He is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 02:10 PM

Romney is scary. I think he's a modern day Nazi, like Criminal Junior and Senior Bush. But I vote Libertarian. So I can't support Prez al-Obama.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 02:03 PM

Yes, thanks, for starting this thread. The interview is really interesting, and just might convince a few military minds that Romney's military advisors are not to be trusted again.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 01:54 PM

He's not as bad as some. But he's just a lackey with lots of baubles pinned to his chest.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 01:54 PM

"ideologically pliant". Now, there's a GREAT phrase to describe Mr. Romney.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 01:29 PM

Colin Powell was damned near the only one to stand up to Bush and his cronies. It didn't do much good, but he tried.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 01:04 PM

I think Powell is a man of Affirmitive Action.
A real stampeder.
Birds of a feather.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: frogprince
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 12:58 PM

It would take Krinkles to come up with his interpretation. Powell has essentially said that he sees Romney as a dangerous extremist and a loose cannon. That, from someone of his stature, should give a lot of people pause. Anyhow, it increases my respect for Powell.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 11:41 AM

What's luck got to do with it?(think Tina Turner)
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell Endorses Prez al-Obama
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 11:38 AM

If you're really lucky Krunkle