BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:37 AM

Oh, right. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Man you can't even answer questions, you resort to name calling.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:05 AM

haha, you are getting desperate, first that silly link post, now this, aw, and you were doing so well.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 05:35 AM

oh yes, you view everything in black and white. If one says no he's a LIBERAL!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 05:22 AM

Hahaha.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:59 AM

Lustily, DH - it's got to be snowing though :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:23 AM

I bet you definitely join in when singing "white" Christmas

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:17 AM

At christmas my family sing naff songs, doesn't mean i don't join in. lol

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:04 AM

Yet you can't keep away from it for LOLling.
Is transparency genetic, or does one have to work at it?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 03:57 AM

No, it is just a silly thread designed to lead nowhere, only an idiot could answer yes, and only a perfect liberal could answer no.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 08:09 PM

It's only a silly thread title if you don't know abour Sir jOhns little ways. As we do, it's just his way of starting a discussion.

Bunnahabhain

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 05:49 PM

Lot's of laughter from you, DH, but nothing more it seems.
Two of those things influence our lives even today.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 05:48 PM

Amos, i said this thread was silly right near the beginning of the thread.

It is a silly question that means if you answer yes, which would be foolish and utterly absurd, you are a racist, and if no, which is the more obvious answer, you are what? Pro-multi-culturalist, pro-diversity?

The question is a bad one.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 05:44 PM

By the way, if ever there was a good opportunity to wilfully alter the name of a thread, this one is it. While I know John answered the original question in the negative, I still groan every time I see this thread title, because it is -- on the surface of -- so bloody bigoted in its framing...

Any of you Bold Jolly Clones want to set that right? Seems to me a lot more important than adding UK to Shambles puir wee thang.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 05:27 PM

More specific than that.

Lololol.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 05:26 PM

Oh Dave, to burst the bubble of one of your favorite points, the Norman invasion of Britain didn't work because they were of the same Northern stock, but because they seized the land by force. They might as well have been Turks, Arabs or Slavs.
Your other point of having no history shared doesn't apply to Indians, pakistanis or even Omanis does it?
Iberia is different stocks, France is different stocks, Italy, Sicily, Turkey, North Africa, Eastern Europe, the Caucasus, examples are numerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 04:34 PM

Ya, sure. You betcha...

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: pdq
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 03:57 PM

...back CarolC's statement about Swedish immigrants in the US, here are their 'top 10' complaints:

10. They had to work.

9.   They had to learn English.

8.   Hard to find a good coat made from dead seal pups.

7.   Goodwill seldom has "extra large" pants

6.   Poor US coverage of ice racing.

5.   Not enough places to watch glaciers melt.

4.   Americans always misspell 'fijhords'

3.   Can't blame the Norwegians for everything anymore.

2.   Volvo and SAAB parts are sooooo expensive.

1.   No lutfisk served in the school lunch program!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 03:46 PM

So, why do you think Hull only ever recieved all young male asylum seekers?

If I were to take a stab at this one, my guess would be that it is the young males who are being targeted by the governments of their home countries. This is, of course, assuming that Britain accepts "asylum seekers" on the basis of there being a threat to the asylum seeker's life by the government of his or her home country.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 03:24 PM

More specific than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 03:13 PM

1) Using your logic, why would a Turk share the same heritage and identity as someone from Vienna?

Not sure, i don't know what you are reffering to, at a stretch i suppose someone from vienna could share cultural similiarities with someone from Turkey due to the historical significance of Turkey and Austria with regard to the Ottoman Empire.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 02:53 PM

There is a preview option that you can use before posting in order to catch that sort of mistake, if you are so inclined.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 02:51 PM

Still no answer?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 02:45 PM

Sorry, i know, i keep getting the "i" before the /. Dammit

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 02:06 PM

DH, the close italics HTML is:

< plus / plus the letter "i" plus >

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 02:02 PM

its called cultural diversity and integration, its happened for years

Is that what passes for diversity nowadays? lol.

So, why do you think Hull only ever recieved all young male asylum seekers?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 12:35 PM

Yingle Bells being the mild side of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 12:31 PM

Put another more crude way, if you put 1000 swedes in the centre of Hull tomorrow, you do not have a problem, and probably would not even notice them, or ever know they were here...you put a thousand Eastern European Asylum-seekers here in Hull, everybody knows.

This is an interesting point, because we here in the US know from experience that it is not true.

When fairly large numbers of immigrants from Sweden were arriving in the US and settling amongst already established settlers from English speaking countries (England, Scotland and Ireland), they were put through the same kind of dehumanizing stereotyping and discrimination as other, less "white" groups of people when newly arrived. It was not at all easy for the Swedish settlers to blend in.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 12:17 PM

Hannam now tell us something we don't know - its called cultural diversity and integration, its happened for years, I dont think you where asked about the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 12:00 PM

Is my Vienna question a stumper?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 11:58 AM

A sensible question to your goodself if I may, I suspect you know more about this than I do. There was actually 2000 kurdish refugees sent to Hull, almost overnight. They are all young men, where are all the old people, women, kids etc? Did they not make it out of Iraq? Me and 'er indoors' have often wondered.

A good question. To be truthul flamenco, i don't know where the children and women are either.

We all know the human-trafficking industry is big. Why there is a disproportionate number of young men i am not sure.

It is a sad case when women and children are left to survive back home in a war-torn state, and the older men escape to Britain.

Of course, Hull has suffered for this too. We have all seen the line in the Hull Daily Mail, 'Police are looking for a man of Eastern European appearance...", this is simply code word for asylum seekers. If it is racist to tell the truth, then so be it, but women have been subjected to sexual abuse, people have been stabbed and murdered.

Media bias is no suprise, a local Hul journalist once told me it was impossible for the mail to report on asylum seekers in a truthful light. The National Union of Journalists (NUJ) recently started a cmapaign of support for asylum seekers, and my journalist friend informed me that the NUJ has clout. Anyone who does not tow-line, is in for a hard time.

For info on what asylum seekers do recieve, please refer to the 2001 Tenancy agreement, which detailed exactly in LAW what asylum seekers are entitled to.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/asylum_document.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 11:34 AM

true

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Shakey
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 11:29 AM

Well ultimately all Europeans, bar a few (basques, Finnish...) share a common language root,I suppose it depends how far you want to go back.
However there's no denying there are also big differences.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 11:22 AM

Ah, but you were saying that all Europeans share a common heritage, yet not with the Portuguese, hmmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 11:19 AM

So, Europeans are only Nordic peoples? Where have I heard that before... hmmm.... let me think....

Erm..why do you think Europeans are only nordic peoples?

Clearly that is not true.

If you mean have portuguese peoples played much part in the ethnic make-up of the British, then they clearly have not.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 10:16 AM

David,
      A sensible question to your goodself if I may, I suspect you know more about this than I do. There was actually 2000 kurdish refugees sent to Hull, almost overnight. They are all young men, where are all the old people, women, kids etc? Did they not make it out of Iraq? Me and 'er indoors' have often wondered.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 10:08 AM

"There is absolutely no doubt that we, in western europe share the same distinct traits that make us so similar. We share:

Common blood-lines.

Cultural Similarities such as architecture, music, arts, science, progressive science, literature.

We share the same faiths, or straints of the same faith.

Our political institutions are similar.

Our history is entwined with our development as a civillization."

So, Europeans are only Nordic peoples? Where have I heard that before... hmmm.... let me think....

Frankly you have as much a common heritage with Portugal as you do with Sweden. Especially if we use the criteria given above.

Do try and answer my Vienna question.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 10:01 AM

1) Using your logic, why would a Turk share the same heritage and identity as someone from Vienna?
2) Surely a Sicilian has as much (if not more) in common with a Libyan as he does with a Swede.
3) David Hannam, you claim to share a common heritage with the Portuguese.
I'm sure you do (just as they share it with others, no man lives in a continental vacuum), but when was the last time you read Camoens?

I do not share a common heritage with the portuguese, lol. You are reffering here to geographical placement only.

When you consider Britain has seen invasions from the Normans, Vikings, Germans etc, these are all of northern european stock. This is the difference.

However, there is a huge difference between assimiliating peoples of a very similar stock, culture, etc, than assimiliating peoples of an entirely different continent, where the peoples are different, culture is hugely different and the history is completely different. There is no common bond to tie to two.

Put another more crude way, if you put 1000 swedes in the centre of Hull tomorrow, you do not have a problem, and probably would not even notice them, or ever know they were here...you put a thousand Eastern European Asylum-seekers here in Hull, everybody knows.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:01 PM

No worries, Guest, as a prize pedant myself I cannot cast any stones...:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 02:29 PM

What of questions?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 01:37 PM

Not sure, i know members can.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 01:36 PM

Dear El Greko - I was just being pedantic (can't help it)- but, then, "the Devil is in the details" isn't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 11:17 AM

BTW, can guests get PMs?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 10:44 AM

1) Using your logic, why would a Turk share the same heritage and identity as someone from Vienna?
2) Surely a Sicilian has as much (if not more) in common with a Libyan as he does with a Swede.
3) David Hannam, you claim to share a common heritage with the Portuguese.
I'm sure you do (just as they share it with others, no man lives in a continental vacuum), but when was the last time you read Camoens?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 09:53 AM

Lovely the way DH expects everyone to answer his questions, but I've asked three which he hasn't bothered to answer.

Sorry, i try to answer as many questions, or give my opinion when i can, but i do lose some, i am also answering a lot of PM's.

What was the question?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 09:01 AM

You're right, El Greko. Nearly forgot he was a Black Short.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:55 AM

Sad to say you're right (hangs head in shame)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Big Mick
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:51 AM

People elect that man to govern???????????? You folks are in trouble. Looks like the US doesn't have sole provenance on electing bigots and fools.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:48 AM

Cut him some slack - he's a politician

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:13 AM

Lovely the way DH expects everyone to answer his questions, but I've asked three which he hasn't bothered to answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 07:48 AM

OK, scrap the "Mongolian ancestry" and replace with "related to...". As Scaramouche says, they came from the same region, and are related. This shows in the structure, especially syntax, of the Turkish language, which has many similarities to Hungarian and Finnish (both those countries have had heavy influx from the same general region).

Scaramouche beats me in history, by the sound of it - I always hated it at school, and my interest is comparatively recent. But the general gist is there (thanks, S).

Now, Guest DB, your point was...?