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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Jun 12 - 06:40 PM It wasn't 14 times, Bill D, ..it was 7 times...just for the record. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Jun 12 - 10:32 PM ...or when some of those corrupt bankster crooks actually get prosecuted for bribing government officials or screwing with the books...or conspiring to fuck the America AND global community!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bill D Date: 05 Jun 12 - 10:18 PM Wisconsin seems to be showing what outspending opponents 14 to 1 can do. "I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: saulgoldie Date: 05 Jun 12 - 01:06 PM Again, from Andy Borowitz. Not exactly the presidential election, but the election, nonetheless: June 5, 2012 Canada Bracing for Massive Influx of Wisconsin Boat People Coast Guard on Alert OTTAWA (The Borowitz Report) – The Canadian coast guard was on alert today, preparing for what it fears could be a massive invasion of boat people from Wisconsin. Conor McGlindon, commander of the Royal Canadian Mounted Coast Guard (RCMCG), said that satellite photos had revealed a "substantial flotilla" in the making, as Wisconsinites prepared to flee their state for their neighbor to the North. "Word has gotten around that we have policemen, firemen, and basic school lunches up here," Mr. McGlindon said. "You can't blame these boat people for seeking a better life. But we are under orders to intercept them." In Canada, officials fear that refugees from Wisconsin will brave the treacherous journey across Lake Superior in the hopes of giving birth to so-called "anchor babies" on Canadian soil. Mr. McGlindon offered reporters a look at satellite photos showing the boat people larding their vessels with wheels of premium cheddar cheese, possibly in the hopes of bribing Canadian officials on Superior's northern shore. "We are telling all of our men that under no circumstances should they accept offerings of cheese," he said. "These boat people are desperate and they will try anything." Reports of the looming refugee crisis coincided with the release of a new poll showing that Gov. Scott Walker is now the most hated man in Wisconsin, narrowly edging Brett Favre. Speaking at the state capitol, Gov. Walker seemed philosophical about his legacy: "I'm not worried how history will remember me, because if I have my way there won't be any history teachers." |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Jun 12 - 02:01 PM Look out for low flying pigs!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 04 Jun 12 - 01:30 PM The Maureen Dowd op-ed shows just how much damage can be inflicted on a president by a wealth minority that owns the media... Bill Clinton refers to it as "microphone time"... Face it, what we have seen over the last 3 1/2 years is about a 6-1 advantage in microphone time for the Republicans... Here's the deal: Obama gives a speech and gets 30 seconds of the news cycle... Of course, the media is going to follow up by giving a Repub 30 seconds - BTW, it doesn't work the other way around - ten over the course of the evening rich people carpet bomb Obama with issue ads so by the end of any given evening it's Obama, 30 seconds, Repubs 3 to 4 minutes... This is reality... If we can't get the BIG $$$ out of politics then this little 230 year or so old experiment is going to fail badly... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 04 Jun 12 - 01:26 PM Above link, an article by Maureen Dowd, columnist, trashing Obama. Said of her, "Maureen Dowd can be funny when writing about movies or fashion, but she should stay out of politics. The politest thing I can say about her is that she's a lightweight." This from a fellow columnist at the same paper who did not want to be identified. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Jun 12 - 01:16 PM Here, this one for us GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 04 Jun 12 - 01:07 PM Agreed, Bill. And we must not forget about possible appointments to the Supreme Court. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bill D Date: 04 Jun 12 - 12:18 PM We need to do several things. We need to make sure Romney and, by default Citizens United, are NOT elected this Nov. This means Obama, no matter what you think he hasn't done! (It is clear that he had only 2 years to GET anything done.) The other things we need to do are 1) Look beyond 2016 and groom some intelligent, decent people to compete with the hoards of semi-intelligent Republican wannabes who are lining up for the job if Romney DOESN'T win..(and maybe if he does win and does the lousy job I'd expect!) and 2) We need NOW to begin reforming our entire electoral process to change how we choose candidates and how we fund elections. This means repeal of Citizens United as soon as possible, and transparency and accountability in contributions of ALL kinds. and 3) We need to shorten the process that now has the elbowing for position beginning the morning after the election! Other countries with more parties manage to do 'most' of the process in weeks or months....not the 3-4 years we now endure. Many people are simply tuning out and/or becoming cynical... and then deciding at the last minute, based on shallow, stupid sound bytes. I am terribly afraid of the whole process becoming totally a sham with voter suppression, a stacked Supreme Court and corporate $$$$ running a far-from-level playing field...(no..it is NOT quite yet) *IF* Obama is reelected, I expect to attempts at my agenda made.... we shall see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Jun 12 - 12:09 PM Guest,999: "Gentlemen, while I agree with Ake, LH and GfS concerning the Fed..." Bruce, I consider it an honor and privilege to be numbered in with those who you mentioned. We have done our best to bring light into the room, which has been too lopsided with deceptive ideologues. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Jun 12 - 11:18 AM TIA: "What is the *realistic* alternative from LH and GfS? Please tell us." I guess we'll have to wait till after the conventions, or see if another party emerges, won't we? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Richard Bridge Date: 04 Jun 12 - 04:09 AM I came looking for information on the pending election. I found a Fugitive from Sanity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 04 Jun 12 - 01:46 AM Welcome aboard, TIA. My sediments exactly. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,TIA Date: 04 Jun 12 - 12:09 AM Idealism dictates that I am pissed off at Obama. Realism dictates that I cannot stay at home on election day, nor can I vote for Romney. Does that make it a Dynamic Trio? I am betting yes. What is the *realistic* alternative from LH and GfS? Please tell us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Jun 12 - 10:58 PM While I tend to think Obama may very well 'win' re-election..I do not believe I couldn't vote for him, in good conscience. My standards, unlike those of the 'Dynamic Duo', are a little higher, and not so double, as theirs. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:25 PM Ya' can't (or shouldn't) condemn the Fed because of it's chairman, brucie... Yeah, not my choice either... Here's the reality... We live in a very competitive world where other countries don't play fair in terms of their currencies and their values... The Fed is all we have to keep us in that game... No Fed then no compete... Mitt Romney says he's just going to tell China to play nice??? Good luck, Mitt... Very ignorant on his part... Just think about it, brucie... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 03 Jun 12 - 07:17 PM I've seen fewer sides on a Canadian Loonie, and I don't mean Harper! Gentlemen, while I agree with Ake, LH and GfS concerning the Fed, the Tweedledee-Tweedledum aspect of American politics, and the present push by ultraconservatives (read greedy bastards who care nothing for any 'ism' except capital), I happen also to agree with Don and Bobert. In the coming election there is NO choice but Obama. To vote otherwise is to support totalitarianism. The laws are in place waiting to be enacted and America will be shutdown tighter than a frog's arse, and that's water tight. But I gotta say one thing: if the American congress and president do things the way you guys do, we have the hope of turkeys on Thanksgiving. And apple pie. Something to keep in mind: there's no point owning everything without securing a labor force to keep what ya own operating, a seminal statement to guide studies in 101: I Now Own a Company, What's Next?. If y'all stopped getting hung up on who is and who isn't what--and occasionally whom--ya might be able to figure out what needs fixing, and soon. You need lots of law repealed. imo |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 12 - 05:52 PM Little Hawk is a fairly intelligent guy, but he does have this "above it all" quirk and a tendency to lecture people about what they already know. He IS polite and generally civil in his discourse, and I've often wondered why, if he and Goofus are such good buddies, why he doesn't take him in hand, wash out his mouth with soap, and try to teach him civilized behavior. The barbarians are at the gates, and those two are constantly bitching at US. No help at all. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 03 Jun 12 - 04:49 PM Well, Don, when one doesn't really understand and/or accept facts then pissin' and moanin' is about all they can do... The entire Tea Party is a gang of ignorant pissers and moaners... I guess that explains GfinS... As for LH??? This is just his sandbox... He brings his little shovel an' pail in here and moves sand piles from here to there spilling sand on everyone and everything... He knows better deep down inside but he made some kinda deal with the Devil to do what he does so he does it... His "Both Sides Shuffle", however, has gotten tiresome... He know better songs but plays it over and over to appease his bud, insanity... And the beat goes on... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 12 - 03:39 PM THIS is a guy who used to hang out in the back booth of the legendary Blue Moon Tavern in Seattle back in the Sixties. He was a Communist when I first ran into him. Then he became a Trotskyite. Then he became an Anarchist. He identified himself with The Working Man. He always wore work clothes and a hard hat, and he carried a lunch pail. He did work. Four hours a day, four days a week, in a small bookstore. I presume he wore the hard hat because he had a phobia about the possibility of a heavy book falling off a high shelf and beaning him. And he carried paperback books and political tracts in the lunchpail. Every night you could find him in the back booth of the Blue Moon, holding forth on Comes the Revolution. He had a number of disciples. One of them took this fellow's beer-sodden non-stop political rants a bit too seriously and decided to get the Revolution under way. He opted to blow up a government building. He managed to fashion a crude bomb. He could have tried to bomb the Federal Courthouse or somewhere like that, but that would have involved taking a bus downtown, which was far too much trouble. So he decided to blow up the University District Post Office (government building, ain't it?). So one sunny afternoon he ran up the front steps of the University Branch Post Office, set the bomb down, and ran up the street like a deer. Even though at that time of the afternoon, there were usually a lot of people going to and fro in that area, when the bomb went off, there was no one very close. There were several people doing business in the post office when the bomb went off, and it scared the hell out of them! But—the post office entrance consisted of double swinging doors into a small antechamber, and another pair of swinging doors into the lobby area. The explosion shattered the glass in one of the outer swinging doors and left a scorch mark on the concrete in front of the door. The Mad Bomber had managed to get about a quarter of a block up University Way N. E. when the bomb went off, and about three seconds later, he collided with—Ben Johansen, the local beat cop. Ben Johansen was about six foot two and build like a refrigerator. Ben grasped the situation in a split second, and also grasped the Mad Bomber by the scruff of the neck, lifted him off the sidewalk, and carried him off to the hoosegow. So much for the Revolution! You see, Goofus, I've met guys like you and Akenaton before. And guys like Little Hawk. I believe that Little Hawk is, at least, sincere, but he likens the United States to Nazi Germany. I don't think we're there yet, and there are some folks here who are doing our damnedest to make sure we DON'T go there. It does no good to just sit around being Above it All, kibbitzing, going "Tsk tsk" a lot, and criticizing those of us who are striving to DO something! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 12 - 01:48 PM If I were anesthetized, Goofus, I could out-logic you and Little Hawk combined and bury you both with my knowledge of history and politics. No sweat. But you—and Little Hawk—are not FOR anything, you just sit around going "Ain't it AWFUL?" and trying to claim that you've actually said something intelligent. Well, you just keep right on doing that. In the meantime, it will be people like Bobert, John P., and me who will be working to change things. Piss and moan and hurl childish insults all you want. You are ineffective and impotent. A non-entity. Don Firth (actually doing something in the real world.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Jun 12 - 01:02 PM Thank you, Little Hawk, for translating simple English and logic to Don, who though he seems to understand the language, (and that is up for debate), has yet to make a sensible sentence worth reading! Don: "I've seen enough conventions in which a dark horse suddenly appeared and changed everything. And it's apparent that GfS has no idea of who any of these possible dark horses might be." But of course, you do!...and stop trying to tell me what ideas you think I might have, or don't have...contrary to your self inflated opinion, your mind isn't that capable!..Bobert, on the other hand, is a legend in his own wine! Don: "He doesn't learn and think with his brain, he just responds to what appears to be obvious with a great flood of bile."... ...coming out of YOU TWO!(Bobert and you) Don: "And don't try to lecture me on American politics.".... ....Or anything....like talking to a self absorbed brick on wheels! ...and BTW, as far as 'thinking'....oh, never mind, you wouldn't 'get it'...you seldom ever do!..(except in musical history)...why don't you apply those same talents, when it comes to comprehending other FACTS??? GfS P.S. You don't have to answer the last question..we're tired of reading how wonderful you think you are....AGAIN!! ...and AGAIN ...and AGAIN!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 03 Jun 12 - 12:39 PM Well, I have two hopes... First, that Citizens United doesn't buy the White House for Romney... Second, that there will be some pleasant surprises for liberals in a 2nd Obama term... Liberals are due to be thrown a bone... We're kinda in a 40 year drought... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Rapparee Date: 03 Jun 12 - 10:52 AM The 2012 US Presidential Election to too, too far away. Unfortunately. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 12 - 12:39 AM Goofus, using my own judgment didn't mean altering the facts, it was a matter of determining whether or not the source is reliable. And Little Hawk, "Don, at the presidential level the viable candidates now are only Obama and Romney. Period." Not necessarily so. Neither party has held its convention yet, and although, at this point, they appear to be foregone conclusions, I've seen enough conventions in which a dark horse suddenly appeared and changed everything. And it's apparent that GfS has no idea of who any of these possible dark horses might be. He doesn't learn and think with his brain, he just responds to what appears to be obvious with a great flood of bile. And don't try to lecture me on American politics. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Jun 12 - 12:27 AM Don Firth - "Many times I have asked Goofus which of the viable candidates he prefers" Don, at the presidential level the viable candidates now are only Obama and Romney. Period. It's down to those two. GfS clearly would prefer to have neither of them as his president...nor the parties that have selected them. Does that make him "wrong"? It only makes him wrong if he still believed in the old traditional 2-party system in your country, and he obviously doesn't. As long as enough of your people still believe in the old, divisive 2-party system (the equivalent of believing in the Great Oz or the tooth fairy to solve their problems) then the sorry farce will go on...you'll have more wars, more devastation of the public sector and the unions, more ludicrous obstruction in Congress, more money given to bankers and corporate CEOs, and less for the rest of you. And I expect it will go on... I have not a shred of hope that either Obama or Romney will stop it from going on. I think they're working for the same corporate and banking sponsors...though for opposing parties who in truth wish each other nothing but failure. And that's why I'm deeply cynical about the whole situation down there in the USA, and would not choose to live there...or frankly...even to visit there. Not any more. Now, if GfS could stomach backing either Obama or Romney...either the Democrats or the Republicans...then he'd be obliged to pick one of them as his preference, wouldn't he? But he can't stomach either one of them...so why the hell should he be obliged to back one of them just because you want him to? If he doesn't believe in either of them, he can't back either of them without being, essentially, a hypocrite. I was very happy about Obama winning in 2008, because I had hopes he might turn out to be a real progressive...and I had no hopes that McCain would be anything but dreadful. Well, Obama has not turned out to be a progressive, I'm deeply disappointed in him (while still glad McCain wasn't elected)...but I cannot in good conscience put my faith in Obama any longer. Nor in Romney, needless to say. I regard them both as meaningless cyphers...faces pasted on top of a shadowy ruling system of bankers and businessmen that gets what it wants, regardless. If I were an American, that would leave me no one to vote for...on the presidential level. That doesn't mean it would leave me no one to vote for on the more local or state level...that's a different matter. You sometimes get some pretty good candidates a bit farther down the chain of command. I'd vote for whoever I believed in at those lower levels...regardless of their party affiliation. It's the parties themselves that I don't believe in. They are what has finally destroyed truly representative government in the USA, because they've become mere creatures of a small, wealthy elite and they are NOT serving your general public! This is proven again and again, no matter which party you elect, they betray you. Don't you get that? How can you continue having any faith in either one of those 2 parties after what they've done to you in the last 60 or so years? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 12 - 10:10 PM Don Froth: "I was working for the local station, and it was my obligation to use my own judgment...." Good God!!.....What you meant to say is you were the op/ed. your 'own judgement' is hardly accurate, nor 'news'....and once again, you either did NOT read the entire article from ABC, or intentionally omitted the part about Obama's decision, though he was advised, by his staff otherwise. Why are you doing that??? The story is the story...why alter it? Must we think what YOU think, or do you assume nobody can...or will? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 12 - 07:17 PM Exactly so, 999 (may I be so informal as to call you "9"?). I had high hopes for Obama, but he hasn't delivered quite as I hoped he would. But to give him all due credit, much of that was not his fault. An obstructionist Congress hell-bent on blocking everything he tried to do to help the country. Nevertheless, he is the best hope out of all of the viable candidates and aspiring candidates. At least he will slow down the tendency of the Right Wingers to hurl the country off the cliff. Many times I have asked Goofus which of the viable candidates he prefers, but he apparently hasn't even thought about the matter. Either that, or he doesn't want to commit himself. Although it's obvious to most folks that he should be committed. Don Firth P. S. By the way, Goofus, even though I worked for an ABC affiliate (owned by Disney Studios, incidentally), I was not working FOR ABC. I was working for the local station, and it was my obligation to use my own judgment. Bigger people than you have been satisfied that my judgment could be trusted. So your petty jibes blow away like wisps of fog before the fresh breeze of intelligent discourse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 02 Jun 12 - 06:42 PM Good on you, Don... I get a letter to the editor printed about once a month in the "Charlotte Observer" but have offered to do a column??? We'll see... Gotta do what you can... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Jun 12 - 05:22 PM Sometimes ya gotta settle for less until you have the power to settle for more. That's the way many people are seeing it. Whether or not the time is right is a moot point because much will depend on the next president's ability to control US security forces. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 12 - 05:20 PM You don't know what you're talking about, Goofus. If an established and easily verifiable FACT disagrees with your prejudices, as far as you are concerned, someone is "spinning" it. I'm not going to waste any more time with you. I've got things to do this afternoon, such as check to see if the state legislator I mentioned is home and talk to him about my plan. By the way, I knew him before he ran for office, and we're on a first name basis. Go take a valium. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 12 - 04:27 PM Nonsense(again)..how come you DIDN'T or accurately relate the ABC News article I posted. Why did you spin it? ..oh, and BTW, I have absolutely nothing to do with, or have NO ties to the Tea Party! You just can't make stuff up, and call it 'news'...or be very convincing that you were a non-biased 'news director'....wasn't 'accuracy' part of your job description? ..and BTW, you have misquoted SO MANY, of not only my posts, but other people's as well..then interject your response to what is convenient to you....without ever addressing the real subject matter!...and I ain't the only one who has pointed that out to you! I would think that a news director would take some care to relay WITHOUT bias the actual events being reported. But, like I said before, you are wasting and squelching your greatest talent and asset...and settling. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 12 - 04:07 PM If you actually read what I said above, Goofus, you will have run across my statement "by the way, as a news director, I quickly learned to distinguish between a reliable source and someone who is trying to shit me." You're a Tea Party Right-Winger. You won't admit to it, but what you ARE speaks far louder than what you say. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 12 - 03:50 PM See, people like you, and your ilk are part of the problem....not anything near the solution.....and that is an utter shame, because you have so much to offer, in the right capacity....but you opt out for supporting known liars..and have become a bit one of yourself, the way you distort posts that you respond to. Your usefulness, you are overlooking, and squelching..and because of that, we all lose. Respectfully Meant and Said, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 12 - 03:32 PM I don't really need to "get a fucking clue," Goofus. I've been quite adept at that activity since I was quite young, thank you. But "thank you" reminds me. I really wish to express my gratitude to you for inspiring me to come up with a good idea as to how I, as an individual, may participate quite effectively in getting President Barack Obama re-elected. I, like most people who have expressed an active interest in the world of politics, receive in my e-mail every morning a number of solicitations for donations to political causes, including, for example, opportunities to contribute to the campaign to recall Scott Walker, or donate to the campaigns of people I've never heard of. In some cases, I would make a donation, save for the fact that my wife and I are living (quite comfortably, in fact) on a somewhat limited income. But there are other ways of contributing. For example, I receive requests for funds to finance the production and airing of various political messages. But— It occurred to me that I can contribute in other ways than money. My services. Not being part of a phone bank or any of the usual political campaign grunt work. I've done that, and I'm not really sure that it helps more than it hinders, what with potential voters resenting being interrupted by a political phone call. But I have spent some years as a radio announcer, the news director at an ABC affiliate station (by the way, as a news director, I quickly learned to distinguish between a reliable source and someone who is trying to shit me), and I have done a lot of commercial production: writing copy, and recording that copy, often complete with background music and sound effects. A LOT of it. It seems I have "The Voice," to the extent that some clients would ask for me specifically. I haven't done much of this sort of thing for about thirty years. But I still know how it's done, and I still have the "voice." When doing this, I was working for one radio station or another and was on salary. But there are people who make a career of this sort of thing free-lance—voicing commercials, doing "voice-overs" and narration for documentaries and such—and make WADS of money doing it. Inspired by your abysmal ignorance, general tendency to be rude and vulgar, and your hatred of Obama and anything liberal or progressive, and the awareness that your "bully pulpit" is a bit limited—the three or four people here on Mudcat who actually read your screeds—I can more than counteract this sort of thing, and Right-Wing propaganda in general, by talking to, potentially, thousands, even millions of people all at once. Political campaigns hire a lot of "voices" and voice-over talent to do their political announcements and commercial messages. And this talent charges a bundle for these services, which are paid for out of campaign funds donated or solicited from people such as me—usually $3.00 here and $10.00 there. I could make a substantial dent in this kind of outlay of campaign funds, allowing the funds to be used for other purposes—if I were to donate my professional services as a "Voice—free of charge. I have actually done a few things recently. A local church was trying to raise funds to build new, low cost or no cost housing for the homeless, and they did a promotional DVD to send around, and I was asked to do the voice-over, which I did. They sent me the script, I studied it, then they sent a fellow with portable recording gear to my home and we spent an afternoon recording it. Not only could I donate my services, I could actually do it at home. I have the recording equipment (computer with capabilities, interface, a couple of very good studio quality microphones). Heck, someone could e-mail me a script, then I could record it, put it in WAV, mp3, or whatever format they want, and e-mail it back to them. No sweat!! One of my local state legislators is a neighbor, and we both attend the same church. He's young, he's idealistic, and he's honest. And he's a Democrat. I will tell him what I have in mind and I'm sure he can tell me who to see and how to go about it. Thank you, Goofus! My general disgust at your ranting, your ignorance, and your feeble attempts to be insulting has inspired me to do something to actively work to counteract the kind of Tea Potty negativism that you represent. Don Firth P. S. Heck, when the election is over and Obama is safely in office for another term, hopefully with a more intelligent and cooperative congress, I may look up an agent and market my skills for some real money. There are a couple of good agents in town who have national contacts, and I'm already a member of AFTRA (American Federation of Television and Radio Artists), but if I'm going to do it commercially, I'll have to re-activate my membership. Gee whiz! Maybe a whole new, highly lucrative career! Bloody brilliant!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 12 - 12:48 AM Don Froth: "The amusing thing about Goofus is that when he's been totally whup-assed in a discussion, he crows like he's WON something. Were it not for the amusement he provides, this would be a complete waste of time. Well....no, it IS a waste of time! More productive if I do my politicking in the real world rather than arguing with an alien from the seventh planet out. Ta-ta." GOOD!!!...Run along!!...Don't go away mad....just go away! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 12 - 12:46 AM Now if you wanna bitch about Bush..... Your tax dollars at work..... ************************************************************************ I think it's rather ironic, that Solyndra goes under $539 Million, in part, due to solar technology being manufactured cheaper in China, and Obama gives Jeff Immelt $500 Billion to start jobs there.... .....and the Democrats want to raise taxes......makes you wanna go, "Hmmm"....while the first part of this post was under Bush's Administration. But, of course, it's not BOTH parties...........is it now? .. ..and if you read the article, it all came from the Federal Reserve... and we're stuck with paying it back..WITH INTEREST.....and moron imbeciles are talking which party is doing it...as if it was only one. Get a fucking clue! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 12 - 12:33 AM The amusing thing about Goofus is that when he's been totally whup-assed in a discussion, he crows like he's WON something. Were it not for the amusement he provides, this would be a complete waste of time. Well....no, it IS a waste of time! More productive if I do my politicking in the real world rather than arguing with an alien from the seventh planet out. Ta-ta. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 12 - 11:44 PM Good grief!!! Bobert!!! How dumb are you willing to portray yourself?? Even John P, whom I've exchanged quibbles with, has recently posted some intelligent posts..and I give him that...but YOU!!..Didn't you read the link??...It was tied to Obama's campaign contribution pay backs. Are you drunk again?? Maybe you should get P-Vine to pour you back into bed! This is common knowledge. I don't think even Don would be so stupid as to refute this......(he may prove me wrong though...there's always a first time!) Holy smokes!!! GfS ---Guest From Sanity, keep up the name-calling and this thread will be closed. --mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST Date: 01 Jun 12 - 11:02 PM No, insane one, it doesn't... Bush was the one who courted Solyndra... Or vice versa... Doesn't much matter... Bottom line is that it got passed along to Obama's middle-managers from Bush's... Obama, contrary to the Republican lies, probably never heard of it until the deal was done... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 12 - 11:00 PM ...and foir the rest of the story........ ...and here's some more of the story! One good thing for you two, is that, being as you just fell off the turnip truck yesterday, at least we can work on your personalities from scratch! Waving, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 12 - 10:38 PM Well then Bobsie, it looks like a bit of corruption on BOTH sides, huh? ..or just a bunch of incompetents! Take your pick!!! As for Don....open mouth insert...well whatever you like! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 01 Jun 12 - 09:57 PM BTW, Solyndra first applied for the loan guarantees in 2006... The mid-level Bush people were workin' on them and passed them off to the mid-level Obama people... Big fucking whup!!! Happens every changing of the guard... Bottom line??? Solyndra built a plant... It created tens of thousands of jobs... We still own it and it will get used in time... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 12 - 09:42 PM You don't do documentation, you just flap your lips. Well, okay, let me provide it for you. Got it? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 01 Jun 12 - 07:24 PM Oh, that's right, Goofus! You don't do documentation, you just flap your lips. Well, okay, let me provide it for you. To set the record straight, Climate Progress is publishing this timeline — verified by Department of Energy officials — that shows how the loan guarantee came together under both administrations. In fact, rather than rushing the loan for Solyndra through, the Obama Administration restructured the original Bush-era deal to further protect the taxpayers' investment:Don FirthMay 2005: Just as a global silicon shortage begins driving up prices of solar photovoltaics [PV], Solyndra is founded to provide a cost-competitive alternative to silicon-based panels.What critics fail to mention is that the Solyndra deal is more than three years old, started under the Bush Administration, which tried to conditionally approve the loan right before Obama took office. Rather than "pushing funds out the door too quickly," the Obama Administration restructured the original loan when it came into office to further protect the taxpayers' investment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 01 Jun 12 - 07:20 PM Documentation, please, Goofus? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 12 - 06:14 PM Bobert: "BTW, Solyndra is only half on Obama and the other half on Bush... The original loan guarentee request was made in 2006 and Bush's folks worked on it for a couple years and then passed it on to Obama's folks..." This guy gets his news from Romper Room. Bush decided against it, and Obama was advised, not to do it, by his own staff.....but a deal is a deal...so he had to pay off his crooked cronies. Jeez! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 01 Jun 12 - 03:53 PM So Romney gets on CBS this morning and is asked to give a grade to Obama for various policies and gives Obama an "F" on everything... I find that amusing considering the few policies that Romney says he is for are all the same policies that brought the economy to near collapse 3 1/2 years ago... How do you spell amnesia??? BTW, Solyndra is only half on Obama and the other half on Bush... The original loan guarentee request was made in 2006 and Bush's folks worked on it for a couple years and then passed it on to Obama's folks... BTW, I hate to be the bearer of bad new on for the lying Republicans but Solyndra used that money to build a plant... The 1000 employees of Solyndra didn't build the plant... Contractors, subs, architects, engineers, truck dfrivers, labors, etc, etc did... That created tens of thousands of jobs... But wiat, there is more... Did this high tech plant just poof??? No, it didn't and when the economy humms again it will get bought or rented from US... My, doesn't reality suck, righties??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Stringsinger Date: 01 Jun 12 - 03:17 PM John Stewart is hoping that Donald Trump will throw his hat into the ring again. The other two "numb nuts" are not funny or interesting. |
