BS: UK General election December 12 2019

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 09:53 PM

Thanks Punky, much appreciated.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 09:40 PM

bob - yes bob.. of course bob... you are always spot on with your analysis bob..
There's no greater authority on anything than you bob...

All hail the mighty fount of knowledge bob...!!!

Got a difficult question, a perplexing problem.. ask bob...

He knows, you know...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 09:25 PM

Yep Stanron, he was trying to have it both ways. It brings to mind the old adage: "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:58 PM

Stanron wrote: it might have have had a much better.

Should have read

might have had a much better result.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:56 PM

I see an irony in this election result and I wonder if anyone else gets it. Jeremy Corbyn has always been fervently anti EU. As leader of the Labour party he was not allowed to promote his beliefs on this subject. He was forced to represent a party that was pro Europe. Had the Labour Party allowed him to promote his own anti-Europe beliefs it might have have had a much better.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:47 PM

ooh.. freaky posting glitch...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:45 PM

As expected, the tories will always conspire to win by unfair means or foulest...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:44 PM

As expected, the tories will always conspire to win by unfair means or foulest...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:56 PM

Bonzo, Now you will be busy as a three legged dog trying to bury Boris the turd on a frozen lake.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:53 PM

aye, he'll be leaving nae doubt. but hamas has nowt to do with it. he's clearly a decent man but that's not what is wanted these days. lets have total fucking eejits running the show for the benefit of their extremely wealthy friends. they can get the cretinous forelock-tuggers to give them a majority- those aging pond-life are always with us

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:10 PM

I know as much as the electorate does, obviously.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:07 PM

you clearly know fuck all about jeremy corbyn

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:49 PM

RIP Jeremy Corbyn's political career. I hear Hamas is hiring.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Mossback
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:44 PM

It appears Trump's twin has won - God help Britain. Sincere condolences from across the pond.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: bobad
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:40 PM

It has become uncharacteristically quiet in here.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:07 PM

Exit poll predicts great news!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:40 PM

My sympathy goes out to winners and losers alike. We are all losers in the final chapter. Trump is also a possible winner with his 'Russain" electoral college. Afterall its been a while coming since our Supreme court selected Bush as the executive WINNER.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:11 PM

The current exit poll suggests a Conservative majority of around 50 seats, but this is just a forecast. There's about 45 minutes before the first actual result.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:10 PM

There are now. Very depressing.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:06 PM

Short answer Steve ............. no.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:57 PM

Any exit polls yet?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:52 PM

At last, some Tories to cross swords with! Can one of you tell me, without attacking any other party, one positive outcome of the Tories getting back into power, pleeeeease?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:45 PM

The vast majority of the Labour party is "slightly left"

As a nation(s) the UK is predominantly conservative, with a small c, as opposed the the Conservative Party, with a large C.

No extreme left wing party has ever existed for any length of time in the UK.

That is fact.

Despite what to me our rabid right wingers would have you believe.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Vic Smith
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:25 PM

Dave has nailed it in the previous post.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:08 PM

I would like to explain to our American friends that Stanron is what we call talking out of his arse. The Labour party is far from the hard left that our right wing faction here would have you believe. It is in fact modelled on the very moderate and successful Scandanavian social democratic model. The reason that they believe that Labour has moved to the left is that they have moved ebso far to the right they could be modelled on the 1930 national socialists. But you know all about that of course as your own president tries these tricks himself. Hopefully we will be rid of both our problems soon.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 03:24 PM

Watching from Mrrica. Best wishes to you all.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 03:15 PM

robomatic wrote: When it's all over, mop up the blood and come home

I would like to explain to our American friends that UK hard left, although a majority on this forum, is actually a minority in the country as a whole and a small minority at that. Their views tend to expressions of unpleasantness in different ways and this, in my opinion, reflects the fact that they know it's 'all been over' for quite a long time and they are unable to come to terms with this reality.

A group called 'Momentum' has managed to gain control of the Labour Party and moved it's agenda to the far left. They view the policies that allowed Tony Blair to win elections as betrayal of Socialist values and the MPs who supported them as traitors. This has split the party and more than a few of the old Mps have left.

Brexit has also split the Tory Party. The result of this election, only a couple of hours to go, will show which party has won the battle of the splits.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 02:38 PM

Where are Gilbert & Sullivan and Spitting Image when you really need them? Where is John Oliver?

Good luck, Brits! You're still our Mum! When it's all over, mop up the blood and come home!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 02:18 PM

well, it's maybe because the tories and their chums keep referring to this as 'the brexit election' and folk are past caring. when it is all over we should have a general election asap

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 01:30 PM

We went to vote in our village hall polling station at 10am and the place was completely deserted except for the two ladies sitting behind the table giving out the voting slips. They looked very bored and lonely! Hope more folk turned up later (maybe in the evening) but there are many people here who are retired, so there should have been more voters around.
We haven't had any political leaflets through the door or canvassers.
Bit of a dead loss isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 11:33 AM

Spiffing stuff. The world of corbynistas:


https://unherd.com/2019/12/how-labour-betrayed-their-supporters/

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:50 AM

Brexit is like watching your library being burnt down by people who never learnt to read.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Vic Smith
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:25 AM

Oh..... and a bit of personal advice to add to what I posted yesterday:-

If you are not sure whether to vote for the Brexit Party or the Conservative Party, please remember that it is acceptable to put a 'X' by candidates for both parties and just let it be sorted out at the count.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:06 AM

Then tell us what you know.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:54 AM

They are bad candidates for 2 entirely different reasons. I am not subject to viewing any tabloids, even the ones posted here.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:07 AM

You've been reading too many of our tabloids, Donuel. One of our candidates is an inveterate, confounded, cowardly liar who refuses interviews and hides in a fridge whilst the other (who many find unattractive for many other reasons) has bothered to put himself out and about in full exposure to promote an ambitious manifesto for putting the ordinary people of this country out of their ten-year-long misery. Do feel free to comment on our politics but do be good enough to choose your sources a bit more carefully.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:55 AM

Are the lefties having a bad day? I guess compo's swan song is red sails in the sunset!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:05 AM

I do not envy your choice between two unimagibly bad disembling candidates but will watch the polls anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:01 AM

Great comment from a reader on the Guardian website (my bold):

"Whether you’re a tank-topped bum boy, a piccaninny with a watermelon smile, a Muslim bank robber, one of the feckless criminal working classes, an ill-raised and ignorant child of a single mother or just someone who feels sick at the thought of another five years of this racist, homophobic, misogynistic, absurdly privileged outcast from the Village of the Damned it’s probably a good idea to vote tactically today wherever it’s possible to give a Tory a well-deserved kicking.

I don’t care if Swinson is untrustworthy or Corbyn doesn’t watch the Queen’s Speech. Boris Johnson wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire, he’d sell off the NHS to Trump in a heartbeat, and he is definitely wanking behind that sign."

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:56 AM

Wat is striking about this election is how ill-informed we all are. The Conservative manifesto says nothing about what will happen after 2020 - i.e. for 4/5 of the lifetime of a Parliament. The whole focus of the Conservative campaign was on what happens in January 2020; almost everything else was excluded. It was also claimed that getting this 'done' would allow them to look at new hospitals and nursing levels: none of that is dependent on Brexit. There were a lot of near-idle days at the end of the last Parliamentary session where some of the groundwork for this could have been done. But it wasn't. Then again near the end of the last Parliament, but before the election was announced, Javid was supposed to present a budget, but it got pulled. During the campaign Johnson has done his best to avoid any sort of critical examination of his plans. Yes, is he is happy to go to places where can reel off his stump speech, but nowhere where he can be really challenged on its detail. The section on page 48 about the relationship between the Government and the rest (Parliament, the Lords, the courts) could mean anything from no change to the equivalent of the Enabling Act.

We all are ill-informed.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:21 AM

Finally put your spade down have you?

I wonder how many votes the lefty luvvie lost last night.

https://order-order.com/2019/12/12/coogan-leave-voters-ill-informed-ignorant/#disqus_thread
That will be well received in the brexit voting labour heartlands.
Calling people stupid does not win votes.

It is Socialism that depends on creating ignorance and then exploiting envy.
I wonder why the abbacus has been banished from the airwaves in recent days? She must be some contortionist to put her foot in her mouth each time she speaks.
But then clever is not a word that easily springs to mind when describing the shadow front bench!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:11 AM

Seen on Facebook earlier.

If your polling station is in a school and you vote Tory, you may as well shit on a child's desk on the way out :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 03:32 AM

And there, I rest my case. QED.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 03:25 AM

Oh dear, back to ex-squaddie barrack-room behaviour again. Carry on, Private Parts.

Surely the demonstrable stupidity must be yours. Have you reached the bottom of the hole you are digging? The barrack room behaviour is yours backwarrd man, along with a potty mouth. When losing you start insulting or fighting. Typical lefty traits. It can only happen when ideology replaces commonsense. Never mind, if the polls are correct your tunnel vision is leading you all out of the promised land and compo's allotment will suffer a blight for decades.

BOJO has the MOJO to get things done.

Corbyn the clown will be run out of town!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 03:16 AM

”Maybe being a blockhead numbs all feeling.”

Oh dear, back to ex-squaddie barrack-room behaviour again. Carry on, Private Parts.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 06:51 PM

Be wary of some 'official' tactical voting advice
intended to dupe anti tory voters into delivering wins to tory candidates...


One such dirty trick was exposed earlier today,
but I didn't catch the full news report, so do not have full details.

Obviously, the tory party will deny knowledge and involvement...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 06:35 PM

The LibDems, who are a somewhat distant second in North Cornwall, have blown it here (a solid leave area) via their Stop Brexit yarn. Also, they sent out a very dishonest leaflet to every home which contained a bar chart showing the Con/Lab/LibDem vote in 2017. The LibDem column has been significantly manipulated upwards to give the impression that the seat is far more marginal than it actually is. The brexiteers on the other hand have successfully sold the country the downright lie that the LibDem stance was undemocratic. It isn't at all, though it was naive and foolish in the extreme. So I'll hold my nose and vote LibDem, as Labour haven't got a hope in hell here, in the hope that I'm helping to oust the stinking Tory who holds our seat. My mum, a lifelong socialist, has also decided that she should vote tactically here for the LibDems. Another clothes peg on the nose.

My daughter and her partner live in the Truro and Falmouth constituency. Against expectations, Labour came close last time. They don't need any prodding from me to vote Labour.

My son and daughter-in-law live in the highly-marginal Richmond Park seat. I think they'll be voting to oust the contemptible Tory Zac Goldsmith in favour of the LibDems.

A lot of tactical voting to kick out the Tories and I highly recommend it. You may be a passionate remainer but if you vote according to your principles or tribal instincts you may effectively be voting for brexit. Let's get tactical! We can always go to confession later...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 05:20 PM

Latest polls:

Opinium: CON: 45% (-1) LAB: 33% (+2) LDEM: 12% (-1)
YouGov: CON: 43% (-) LAB: 34% (+2) LDEM: 12% (-2) BREX: 3% (-1)

YouGov MRP: CON: 339 (-20) LAB: 231 (+20) LDEM: 15 (+2) BREX: 0 (-) SNP: 41 (-2)

PaddyPower Majority Odds (Yesterday’s in Brackets):

       Tories: 2/5 (1/3)
       No overall: 9/4 (5/2)
       Labour: 20/1 (33/1)
       Lib Dems: 500/1 (500/1)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 05:10 PM

No Idea?
Maybe being a blockhead numbs all feeling.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 04:48 PM

”How does it feel to be an idiot?”

No idea, perhaps you’d care to enlighten us? You have plenty of experience.