BS: UK General election December 12 2019

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 04:17 PM

From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 03:45 PM

Has Max signed ‘Semen’ Staines’s pet-troll up as a Moderator?

Thought not.

How does it feel to be an idiot?



Subject: RE: Can't log in, is there a problem?
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 11:16 AM
It's best not to use those alternate server names. Mudcat is designed to operate at this URL: https://mudcat.org/

Those other URLs are primarily for administrative access. Using them can cause us problems - at least, that's what Max told me.

There were a number of people who had cookie problems last week, and some were not able to reset their cookies for a day or two.

Max lives in State College, which seems to have some of the worst weather in Pennsylvania. He gets nasty storms that knock his power out for days on end. And then Mudcat doesn't work, and he can't tell us what's happening.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Vic Smith
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 03:46 PM

There's been so many lies spreading about during this election campaign so it's good to be able to share a truthful message that I have just received from the Chief Presiding Officer of the 2019 General Election. I copy'n'paste it in full: -

"All our research has shown that the outstanding importance of the 2019 election means that there will be a record turnout and so to avoid overcrowding, we have taken the difficult decision to spread the voting time over two days. It is too late to arrange this by districts, so we are have decided to do this on a party basis.
VOTERS FOR THE FOLLOWING PARTIES TO VOTE ON 12th DECEMBER -
* Green Party
* Labour Party
* Liberal Democrat Party
* Plaid Cymru
* Scottish Nationalist Party
VOTERS FOR THE FOLLOWING PARTIES TO VOTE ON 13th DECEMBER -
* Brexit Party
* Conservative Party
* English Democrats
VOTERS FOR THE FOLLOWING PARTIES TO VOTE ON
EITHER DAY -
* Church of the Militant Elvis Party
* Monster Raving Loony Party
* Space Navies Party"

I recognise the signature at the bottom of the letter, so it must be authentic, besides, who ever saw a lie posted on Mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 03:45 PM

Has Max signed ‘Semen’ Staines’s pet-troll up as a Moderator?

Thought not.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:42 PM

pfr:

I have had two identical leaflets delivered at the same time. They came from the Green Party - a shade unfortunate!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:23 PM

Awe is one of a number of servers fronted by a load balancer. I assume that the background processing is also load balanced between servers too. Nothing wrong with posting to an individual server in a farm but, if that server is currently not updating the database holding the posts, you risk losing whatever you post.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:21 PM

Can I just ask..
.. anyone had a word with the liberals about all the paper mail they are posting out,
to persuade us to vote for their greener policies...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:12 PM

I remember that also. We all know who has carried on posting when the main site is down!Perhaps that is why he is called the backward man.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:10 PM

I missed that message. I will try to find it to read it properly. I can think of technical reasons in terms of load management but I would be guessing.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 01:57 PM

"Mudcat only available (sometimes) via awe.mudcat.org"

I seem to recall that we were strongly asked not to use awe. Can't remember why now, but I've been obediently avoiding it for a few months.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 11:01 AM

BWM - looks like Boris's parents didn't get their money's worth from his education...???

Personally, I regard Eton as a posher terrorist training camp...

-----


"Yep, fingers are much better tools for the job ;)..
and they don't need batteries..."

as the wife of an impotent tory MP said to the Anne Summers sales lady...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 10:50 AM

Sanity versus lefty ideology. Our world hangs in the balance!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 10:45 AM

”Eton excels in popagating the gentlemanly art of lying convincingly...”

But that’s precisely what Johnson doesn’t do, does he? To those of us whose tongues aren’t firmly planted in his big, fat, hairy arse-crack, his lies are blatantly obvious. And, of course, his mouth moves...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 10:27 AM

No WTO court because Trump refuses to appoint replacement representatives.

Oh, how convenient for him!

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 10:16 AM

.. 'propagating'.. oh bollocks to typing with itchy watery eyes...
Yep, fingers are much better tools for the job ;)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 10:00 AM

.. 'propagating'.. oh bollocks to typing with itchy watery eyes...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 09:56 AM

This election campaign shamelessly openly celebrates that 'might is right',
'the survival of the nastiest',
and 'the ends justify the means'...

Boris - the cudlly friendly fuddled face of international far right supremacy...

Eton excels in popagating the gentlemanly art of lying convincingly...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 09:23 AM

"From midnight on Wednesday, the WTO court will no longer adjudicate on trade disputes"

I have asked Brexiteers here before for their comments on how we can trade on WTO rules if the dispute resolution court is shut down, but so far to no avail.

Anyway, I invite their comments again.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 08:26 AM

So Laura K and Peston have apologised for sending out the fake article about the assault on the aide at Leeds.   Very good. Now the more difficult thing: what do you intend to do to prevent being misled in that way again?

… well?


A silence reigns.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 08:15 AM

The Tories really are a filthy, disgusting, shameless gang of liars, aren't they?

And, on 'Politics Live' today, we had their BBC mouthpiece, the harridan Kuenssberg, giving out that 'postal voting is going badly for Labour'. How the fuck does she know that? Don't our electoral regulations preclude that kind of information being made available?

WTF has happened to our once-greatly-admired political system?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 05:54 AM

Mudcat only available (sometimes) via awe.mudcat.org

Must be Russian interference to stop the half dozen of us who frequently post on this thread influencing the world!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 10:15 AM

I was never a fan of Wedgie Benn. His archetypal take on EC/EU was always predicated on the old lie that we are run by a "bunch of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels." What he never told us was that free trade with Europe help us to thrive; that all our domestic laws are in our own hands; that we agree with the general consensus on almost all EU regulations; that a tiny amount only of our GDP is tied up with Europe (currently about one percent); that we have a considerable say, as a larger nation, in the running of the EU; and that we have the veto on contentious major policy areas (a European army, for example). With 28 countries and half a billion people the EU, just like any big nation, suffers from the disease of gigantism (as John Seymour put it). There's plenty wrong with the EU but there's a lot more good than bad in my opinion. We haven't had another pan-European war, and neither I nor my son has ever been called up, for example. Tony Benn was a long way from being my kind of leftie. Were he still alive today. I'd be wanting to know what sort of "control" he thinks we'll have when we have to go begging to the US and China for trade deals, and when we can't get the staff to run our NHS and care system once we make those EU citizens submit to a bloody points system. Wrong about most things most of the time, Wedgie.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 09:50 AM

Being a decent bloke does not mean you are always right.

Benn said what he did based on how the he thought the EU was going to develop. Some of those things have happened - such as the currency - and some haven't.

It is quite possible he would feel the same about the current EU. But he might put more weight on the social protections than he did. Who can know for certain? I would not be surprised if he mirrored Corbyn's 7/10 comment, more or less. Though even that is far too subtle for the all-or-nothing brigade.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 09:26 AM

..well.. we all had things to say about all sorts of issues way back in the past years of our lives...

Who knows what Tony Benn would have said right now in 2019...?????

what with the potential for some intelligent well informed folks to respond to different circumstances,
evolve, reconsider, change their minds, and all that...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 09:23 AM

And the electorate will have their say on Thursday!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 09:06 AM

And Tony Benn had things to say about the EU YouTube Here

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 09:00 AM

DMcG - better late than never...
I was in process of posting this reply when mudcat suddenly blacked out from exhaustion and old age..............................


Yeah - Tony Benn.. He was guest speaker at my Poly back when I was a student, and also Paul Foot...

Two decent blokes..
Proof that not all posh boys have to end up being ruthless wicked depraved C@ntservatives...

..and Foot had a few words to say about the extent of abuse in top ruling class boys schools...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 08:56 AM

The crowd, you say?

Yes, the online videos of Corbyn meetings do show crowds. I am sure it was an absolute coincidence but the clip of Corbyn at Bristol shown on Newsnight was a head-on film, so no hint there was anyone else there at all.

The only crowd shots I have seen of Johnson are at factories where all the employees are herded to listen to the great man. Well, its a paid hour off work, isn't it?

And we know how popular the idea of having the general public around Johnson is.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 08:50 AM

We went to see Mr Corbyn speak at Nelson this morning and he seemed very reasoned, polite, composed and the crowd had no dissenters.
We were surprised to be randomly interviewed by Sky News as vox pop. I bet it doesn't make it to on air. Our views don't seem to follow what London thinks that the North of England think.

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 08:06 AM

I just find it so totally incredible that so many (allegedly) people will (allegedly) be voting Tory

Could be they just detest magic grandad.Who can blame them. Even members of his own party think he is a marxist menace.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Martin
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 08:00 AM

I just find it so totally incredible that so many (allegedly) people will (allegedly) be voting Tory after what they've done to them - what is wrong with them (the Tories & the robots voting (allegedly) for them?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 07:39 AM

It would be a reckless person that placed a bet on outcomes at the moment. I suspect people are so fed up with the prolonged agony of brexit that they give the pollsters anything, just to make them go away. With the present gap between the major parties and tactical voting, any outcome is possible. Meanwhile the rats are kicking 7 bells out of each other inside the sack.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 07:23 AM

Oh, I have been waiting for that. In fact I expected it hours ago.

I have little doubt that Ashworth was giving his honest thoughts. I don't buy the 'banter' excuse.   

Ashworth has been opposed to Corbyn for a long time - he was opposed to Corbyn becoming leader, for example. There have always been a section of Parliamentarians who think losing this election is worth it if they can get rid get of Corbyn, and it looks as if Ashworth is in that group. And, yes, it makes it much harder for Labour to focus on the NHS rather than the stupidity of his behaviour.

I am sure what he said is a reasonably accurate account of his view. That may or may not match reality. We will find out in 48 hours or so.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 07:09 AM

snigger, snigger

Guido to the fore! AGAIN........
https://order-order.com/2019/12/10/ashworth-civil-service-machine-will-move-quickly-safeguard-national-security-corbyn/

On the prospects for Labour nationally Ashworth tells his worried interlocutor:

    “I’ve been going round these national places, it’s dire for Labour… it’s dire… it’s awful for them, and it’s the combination of Corbyn and Brexit….outside of the city seats… it’s abysmal out there… they can’t stand Corbyn and they think Labour’s blocked Brexit. I think middle-class graduates – remainy people – Labour’s doing well among… but not in big enough numbers to deny the Tories a majority.”

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 07:07 AM

DISHONESTY ON THE SIDE OF A BUS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 06:35 AM

More bare faced lies from the Tory propaganda machine.

Jack story was not fake but claim of aide being punched was The

How much lower can they get. I hope all you Tories out there are proud of your party and its leader.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 06:00 AM

Honesty, on the side of a bus

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 06:28 PM

On that same theme, the Sun goes with a photo of when Johnson was finally persuaded to look at the phone with the caption 'Boris studies the photo of a sick child who was forced to sleep on a hospital floor' wirmth (as far as I see it) no mention of the interview and his efforts to avoid looking at the photo. This is in an article about the MOMENTUM MOB (their capitals.)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 01:39 PM

I have just been looking to see who is saying what about the Johnson declining to look at the photo of the four year old until he was really pressured into it.

No mention of it on the Express pages, so far I have found. There is an article saying Matt Hancock's aide was hit during a visit, but first of all there is no mention that the visit came about because of the Johnson mess.

Nor is there any mention that the aide has withdrawn the accusation when shown a video of the event.

We anticipate being told order.order's detailed and unbiased analysis any moment.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 01:03 PM

Unfortunate cross-post there, pfr.   Clearly I was not referring to your most recent post.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 01:00 PM

Tony Benn springs to mind …

(He quite often does!)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 01:00 PM

Iains - how deep do you suggest we dig...???

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-02-18/shocking-scale-of-sexual-abuse-at-uk-boarding-schools-revealed-by-itv-documentary/

..and that was just lying in full sight on the surface,
didn't need to dig at all...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 12:52 PM

Personally, I'd prefer fewer privileged ex public school politicians in the Labour party...

However, at least the Labour poshies will have gained some valuable insight
from over many years mixing with and learning about compassion & human decency us mere plebs...

Unlike the tories where shit floats to the top and stays there...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 12:41 PM

I wonder how many of them had benefited from public school education...???



Compo, harridan Harman(and her hubby) and Patricia Hewitt for starters.
All staunch labour members

Keep digging!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 12:25 PM

btw.. my hazy memory is that those pro paedo campaigners were also interviewed,
and allowed a platform, in more mainstream media
back in the 'too liberal' 70s and 80s...

I wonder how many of them had benefited from public school education...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 12:19 PM

American celebrities have been arrested, and sued big time for stealing and damaging reporter's and fan's phones...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 11:51 AM

Another gem from the fluffy, warm, cuddly Tory supporters.

Our resident Tories on here must be so proud...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 11:08 AM

More evidence of the kind of spineless, lying POS that our ex-Squaddie 'Semen' Staines Plant holds in high regard - https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/boris-johnson-pockets-reporters-phone-17387948

Disgusting specimens, all three of them.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 09:36 AM

It takes a worried man to sing a worried song..........♯𝅘𝅥

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:56 AM

He is an extreme right-wing plant. Please ignore him.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 19 - 08:38 AM

That's because no-one understands you Donuel ;-)

And they will never learn :-(