BS: Travesty of Justice

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: number 6
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 08:07 PM

Yeah ... when they rat and turn on their 'families' ... I think this is much much different ... this guy is carrying on business as usual.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: Barry Finn
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 07:49 PM

"As far as I'm concerned the Federal Government should never negotiate with members of major drug cartels"

We've been doing it for better than half a century with the witness protection program & the relocation of Mafia crimes bosses & murderers.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: number 6
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 07:05 PM

As far as I'm concerned the Federal Government should never negotiate with members of major drug cartels, especially giving full amnesty, no charges for illegally importing $millions of $dollar$ of narcotics, and provide medical aid. Period.

Hey, this guy just might moving next door to you ... how would you feel about that?

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: Grab
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 06:53 PM

"What message are they trying to get across?"

Hopefully the one that apparently didn't get across with the Rodney King beating. The message that regardless of whether you're a cop with a badge and you're arresting a criminal, you're still not allowed to beat up and try to kill the criminal when they're doing nothing to you.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: number 6
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 11:52 AM

If anyone is further interested in this incident ... read the following (I'm not sure what the website is, but it is an article from the Washington Times) ... you can find more info by surfing the web ... more info regarding this travesty than Prosecuter Sutton's written statement posted elsewhere in this thread.

Washington Time's article


biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: number 6
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 09:53 AM

There were 3 people who were at that time the incident took place .... the 2 agents and a known member of a drug cartel ... whose van was packed with drugs ... the guards testimony said he drew what looked like a gun ... I'm sure this guy who was transporting that value of drugs would have a gun, and it's certain he would have ... anyway, it seems rather severe that the prosecution would go to such extremes to prosecute 2 law enforcement agents with years of clean service based on evidence of member of a Drug Cartel, who again certainly would carry a weapon and give him full amnesty and residency in the U.S. for his word against these 2 agents. What message are they trying to get across ... it certainly would be a different story if these guys shot as I said previously some innocent Mexican sneaking across the border for work.

As previously mentioned it is a known fact that this smuggler again transported $1m worth of drugs across the border while going through the process of obtaining his amnesty and residency for giving his word against the agents .... this evidence was not allowed to be presented in the trial.

I'm not condoning excessive force of law enforcemnt agents ... but sometimes priorities and energy are applied to protect the 'bad'.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: artbrooks
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 09:29 AM

All their report said was words to the effect of "driver failed to pull over for a check and absconded into Mexico." No mention of shooting, no mention of drugs, no mention of the driver being armed, no mention of emptying a weapon, reloading and continuing to fire. One of them picked up the empty shell casings, presumably so no one else would see them. Police officer cannot cover up this kind of thing!

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: number 6
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 09:02 AM

Both officers testified the smuggler pulled out looked what appeared to be a gun. They had his van it was stacked full of drugs.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: jacqui.c
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 08:58 AM

From the little I know about the case this seems to be a bit of a Ceasar's Wife situation.

The guy was shot in the buttocks as he was running away, back across the border. He was not threatening the lives of the border guards and I think that the case rested on 'reasonable force'.

It looks as if it was only poor marksmanship that meant that the guy was not more seriously injured, or killed. It also appears that the two men were not aware that the guy was trying to smuggle in drugs. They then tried to cover up the shooting.

IMHO any law enforcement officer has to behave to a higher standard that might otherwise be the case, given the authority that they have. If they abuse that authority, as seems to be the case here, than they must be seen to be brought to book very publicly.

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: number 6
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 08:56 AM

If the border guards had filled out the papers immediately following the incident .... it probably would have been a different outcome .... regardless the message has gone out the the Big Cartels .... another notch on there guns for victory.

12/14 years with no parole before 10 years seems rather harsh. BTW, one of these 2 guards has already been beaten severly in prison ... they sent him to a prison largley populated by drug dealers and smugglers.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: number 6
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 08:51 AM

I should clarify .... amnesty meaning no charges, and allowed residency in the U.S. for the smuggler ..... even though they confiscated the $1m worth of drugs in his van ... this guy is a big time 'bad guy' not some hapless Mexican sneeking across the border to find some job in the U.S. paying below minimum wages.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: artbrooks
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 08:50 AM

The statement that Peace referenced is here.

It is clear from this statement, as it has been all along to anyone who bothered to get the facts behind the rhetoric, that these officers were not prosecuted "for doing their jobs," but rather for using excessive force by attempting to butt-stroke a person who was the subject of a routine traffic stop (at which time they had no idea that he had a load of weed in his vehicle), firing at him when he tried to run away, and then violating Border Patrol regulations by not reporting the incident. They both attended a retraining session on these reporting requirements the day before this all took place.

Yes, he was a criminal. Yes, these were duly-appointed officers of the law. Do these two facts add up to giving them blanket permission to do whatever they want to him? I doubt it.

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: skipy
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 08:46 AM

Scapegoat for the empire!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: number 6
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 08:31 AM

The drug dealer belongs to a large powerful drug cartel .... On the day of the incident he was smuggling around $1m worth of drugs into the U.S. ..... Sutton, the prosecuter knew about this when he gave this guy amnesty. It was also known during the trial of these border guards that the 'smuggler' also imported another haul fo drugs into the U.S. (again worth about $1m) during the time he was giving his incriminating evidence to Sutton.

There are also some evidence that the word came out from Washington to nail these 2 border guards hard ..... to appease the government of Mexico.

I guess these are reasons as to why it is a travsety of justice.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 12:22 AM

We've had a previous thread on this.

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: Peace
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 12:08 AM

Just read more on it. Any chance it will be overturned on appeal?

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: Peace
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 11:55 PM

What I am failing to understand is why their case has been a travesty of justice. Could someone explain?

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: Peace
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 11:53 PM

Wounded, pardon me.

The pdf article of the charges are

PDF] L:\PA\sutton statement re compean and ramos.wpd

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: GUEST,I agree
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 11:51 PM

Oh, I mean I agree it's a travesty of justice. The cops were sentenced for doing their jobs.

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 11:49 PM

Peace, you are wrong for the first time I have seen.

The smuggler they shot was not killed but rather grazed in the buttock.

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: GUEST,I agree
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 11:45 PM

Amid protests and a flurry of last-minute efforts by congressmen, two border patrol agents are scheduled today to begin long prison sentences for their actions in the shooting and wounding of a Mexican drug smuggler who was granted full immunity to testify against them....

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53805

Atty Gen Gonzalez refused to help, but he and his cohorts are about to be paid back, with interest:

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, both already under siege for other matters, are now being accused of failing to prosecute officers of the Texas Youth Commission after a Texas Ranger investigation documented that guards and administrators were sexually abusing the institution's teenage boy inmates.

"The U.S. attorney's office in Texas actually prepared indictments in this case," Angle told WND. "But when the word came from Washington, that's when Baumann wrote his letter declining prosecution...."

"If you read the letters from Sutton's office or from DOJ, it's really amazing what abuse they describe and then downplay as not being serious," Angle explained. "They describe systematic and widespread abuse of juveniles who were held in these facilities by the people who were administering these facilities, and they acknowledge this fully, yet they determine that the evidence is not sufficient to warrant federal prosecution."

"The letters justify not pursuing these cases because, number one, there is no evidence that any of these juveniles felt physical pain while they were being assaulted, and the letters use the word 'assaulted,'..."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54861

Subject: RE: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: Peace
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 11:42 PM

They killed a man and did not report it to their superiors. Everything look right to you about that?

Subject: BS: Travesty of Justice
From: GUEST,worker
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 08:26 PM

The conviction and imprisonment of U.S. border agents Jose Alonso Compean and Ignacio Ramos.