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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Feb 08 - 10:36 PM That would be most effective if it happened either in an upcoming candidate's debate...or better yet, at the inauguration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST Date: 05 Feb 08 - 10:34 PM Like in the movie "Alien," I keep looking for a little creature to burst out of the left side of his jaw, and run amok.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Riginslinger Date: 05 Feb 08 - 09:50 PM Which doesn't explain why women are mostly voting for Hillary. Unless, of course, their children's future is important to them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,dianavan Date: 05 Feb 08 - 09:00 PM Obama is good lookin and smooth talkin. Lets hope he can walk the walk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:57 PM Well, yeah... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:43 PM She looks better than McCain... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:37 PM Ya' know I hate to bring this up but when was the last butt ugly nominee elected to the White House??? Like, you might have to go back to Lincoln to find anyone as ugly as McWar... No, I am being perfectly serious here... This ain't no joke... (Well, Bobertz, that was purdy crass...) Yeah, and it also happens to be true, crass or not... I mean, lets get real here... If McWar's left jowl gets any bigger he'll need a side-car to drag it around... (Disgusting, Bobz... An' you think yer all politically correct... That's over the line...) No, what is over the line is McWar's jowel... It so far over the line that he outta be called for "offsides"... (Okay, BObertz... Now you have crossed over the line and you are gonna get "the blast" from these very decent people and you deserve it!!!) Okay, blast away, but deep down inside we don't elect ugly presidents... Call US vain, but Obama v. McJowel??? Landslide, pdq??? Yeah, goin' Obama's way... McJowl v. McClinton??? Who knows... She ain't lookin' all that hot these days... Of course, LH will disagree... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:10 PM Ha! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: pdq Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:02 PM "Time will tell just who has fell, and who's been left behind, when you go your way and I go mine." ~ The Bob Stay tuned for the future. Predictions are just that Charley, Hawk, et al. By the bye (as Teribus says), I have only seen three signs in front of houses here in my small Nevada desert town. They are: "Obama", "Romney" and "Stop Hillary" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Feb 08 - 05:40 PM Well, actually, pdq...I come pretty close to hating McCain....although "hate" is not the right word. How do I put it? I shudder at the thought of him becoming president. Why? Because I think he will keep the USA at war, deepen the war, and probably make it into a considerably worse war with worse ramifications. I think he's a soldier who is psychologically wedded to the idea of fighting further battles to make up for the past...for not winning in Vietnam. I may be mistaken. It's only my best guess at this point. I don't want a Cold Warrior in charge of the superpower. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Charley Noble Date: 05 Feb 08 - 05:05 PM Pdq- "Nobody hates McCain" Tell that to conservative "Talk Radio." "If Obama wins a lot of primaries today, he will be slimed by the Hill-Billy machine so badly that even partisan Democrats will cringe." Doubtful. Even the Clintons have their limits when it comes to trying to out-campaign credible candidates, and Obama has proved himself to be one. They would only further damage their own campaign. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: pdq Date: 05 Feb 08 - 11:40 AM Nobody hates McCain. Some were very dissapointed in him when he misrepresented Romney's position on leaving Iraq. McCain said several times, just before the Florida primary, that Romney wanted a "date certain" for withdrawl, thus telling our enemies how long they have to wait before we leave. Fact is, Romney and McCain both want our troops there until the Iraqi military and civilian police are safely in command of nearly all Iraqi territory. If McCain is nominated and runs against The Hillary, it will be a landslide. He is really centrist with some integrity. That is where the Democrats should be but are not. The only presidential candidate who is truely hated is The Hillary. She and hubby conduct systematic character assasination against anyone who gets in their way. If Obama wins a lot of primaries today, he will be slimed by the Hill-Billy machine so badly that even partisan Democrats will cringe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: artbrooks Date: 05 Feb 08 - 11:14 AM Seems to me that, if the far-right, the rabid evangels, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter all hate McCain, he must be doing something |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Feb 08 - 05:03 PM How about Jane Fonda? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: kendall Date: 04 Feb 08 - 03:05 PM Collins? you gotta be kidding! She took 70 thousand dollars from the dug companies in contributions and you know what they have done to the price of drugs in the last 6 years. I wrote to complain to her about this scheme Bush came up with to authorize retired law enforcement officers to be active in the dept.of homeland security, and she turned it over to a flunky who admitted knowing nothing about it. More smoke and mirrors. Furthermore, she has sided with the shrub right up until his popularity hit the skids. Collins? NO WAY> |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: DougR Date: 04 Feb 08 - 01:48 PM Bobert: Why don't you write in your own candidate? Jimmy Carter? Ralph Nader? There are lots of good possibilities out there! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: pdq Date: 04 Feb 08 - 11:21 AM A slap a Curculionidae. How low can you get! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 08 - 10:52 PM Well, if they are frozen out they'll just do what most other people usually do. Hold their noses and vote for "the lesser of two weevils"! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 03 Feb 08 - 08:11 PM Ditto, Rigs.... Hadn't thought of it that way but yer right... Ahhhhh, correct... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Riginslinger Date: 03 Feb 08 - 06:11 PM It'd sure suit me. I'd love to see the right-wing-religious-wakkos frozen out altogether. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:38 PM My understanding is she was one of the few Repubs who voted against CAFTA. She is pro-choice, and voted against the Partial Birth Abortion Act. Friendlier to small biz than big biz. She is a moderate Republican from the NE, and would make a great running mate for McCain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 08 - 12:55 PM The correct term is "fewer jobs", not "less jobs". Pedant alert for today... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Charley Noble Date: 03 Feb 08 - 12:35 PM "What if McCain chose a Dem as his VEEP?" An interesting thought but certainly no more likely than McCain picking a moderate Republican. He really needs to make more of an appeal to the conservative religious right and Huckaby is the man. If he picked an ex-Democrat such as Libermann, it would give him quite a lot of press chatter but I doubt if it would translate into more votes. Given that I live in Sen. Collins' State of Maine, I find it curious that you would consider her a Presidential candidate worth personally supporting. Would you mind elaborating? She is doing quite well in the polls against a liberal congressman, Tom Allen, who is trying to challenge her for her Senate seat. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: katlaughing Date: 03 Feb 08 - 11:23 AM Bobert, my sisters heard some people say they were not going to vote for Obama because they were afraid if he got elected, he would be assassinated. The fear-mongering ala the shrub is working so well, doncha think? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 03 Feb 08 - 08:09 AM I can live with Obama/McC... McC/McC??? No... of course the obvious problem with Obama/McC is that the militarty/industrialista would be plottin Obama's assassination the day after the election rsults were in... Gotta go... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Slag Date: 03 Feb 08 - 02:58 AM "Less jobs"? Get real! Someone has to supply the needs of the military. That equates to MORE jobs. Shoot (no pun intended )! They will have to open the borders and let the illegal aliens through so someone can keep 'em rollin' or flyin' or sailin' or however they are going to do it. No wonder McCain and company didn't pursue a tighter border. As a former Republican I say that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and has fangs like a viper and carries a political stiletto under its wing, it's John McCain! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 10:58 PM Not really so out of the ballpark. He is more bi-partisan than most. He was courted by the Dems & considered switching parties at the same time Jeffords did it. It isn't unthinkable, especially because he isn't very beholden to the traditional Republican money, who backed all the other guys over him, in hopes of writing him off. It didn't work out so well for them. So Don, who do you think McCain might select for his VP? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Don Firth Date: 02 Feb 08 - 10:39 PM McCain pick a Dem for his veep? Well, maybe when *click* Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Feb 08 - 09:44 PM Ha! That would be downright funny. It would give most of the Republicans fits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 09:38 PM G'night there, Bobert. But here is one more to give ya nightmares--what if McCain chose a Dem as his VEEP? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 02 Feb 08 - 09:32 PM Whew, G.G. I am slam worn out and was hoping that I wouldn't have to mount yet another rebuttal tonight... Okay, we agree enough on you last post to allow this ol' hillblly to get a little shut eye... There's always tomorrow... Good night... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 09:18 PM Bobert, I believe we are already in "endless war" and I'm looking at the current field, and I don't see anyone who is capable or willing to get us out of it. So, I don't think McCain is any better or worse than the rest of the front runners. I think the Hail Mary time started long about November 1980, myself. So I'm not hand wringing any more now than I was then. Are we worse off now than we were under Reagan? I don't really think so, but that's me. PS Bobert--how many times do I have to say I'm not supporting or voting for McCain? What I'm talking about is how the voters will view McCain when they stand him up alongside Clinton and/or Obama. Now, I'm not one of these people who thinks we will see any combo of Clinton/Obama on the ticket this year. I could be wrong. Maybe Clinton/Obama, but I really don't see it the other way around. So I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of people who won't vote for a Democrat, no matter who it is, just like a lot of folks here won't for a Republican, no matter who it is. There are a lot of people out there who won't vote for a Democrat no matter what too--a lot of them seem to think Ron Paul or Romney is their best bet. I'm guessing a lot of them in the Northeast are hoping that Bloomberg will jump in as an independent, because they are downright depressed about McCain. Truth is, we are all looking into the same crystal ball, but seeing entirely different things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 02 Feb 08 - 09:05 PM Not so, G.G. I know what we are going to get with McCain/McWar and that is endless war... I have a very open mind here... I am not ***sold*** on Obama... I could go with Greenburg... He was last a repub... I could go with anyone who represents some paradyme change.... I don't give a rat's ass about part labels... Waht I do give a rat's posterior about is someone who steps up and allows the US to rethink a bunch of policies that ain't workin' for US... I don't care if that person represent the Bull Winkle and Rocky Party... What we ahve are a multitude of policy decsisons that need to be made to correct things that are, ahhhhhh, seriouslu messed up... It ain't a Republican problem... It ain't a Democratic Problem...It ain't a Green Party problem... It ain't a Bull Winkle and Rocky Party problem... It's an Amerciasn problem... America doesn't have too many more election cycles before it is completely bankruput... I don't wnat to see it go there thou it will take alot of courage on whomever's part to first get elected and then go about selling the American people that the fix ain't gonna be any fun... And this person will have to go up agaionst the very people who finance the campaigns that get them elected in the first place??? Yeah right... Hmmmmmmmmm???? John McCain ain't the Trojan Horse... Hillary Cintonm ain't either... Obama???? Maybe... Yeah, it is a crap shoot but we're gettin' down to "Hail Mary" time her and with McC and McC ***Not*** representing any motivation to change thing and sticking to the corportate money trough that leaves Obama... That's my take on it... If you think, G.G., that McWar represents the way out of the obyiss then vote for him... To me, he and Hillary are more of the same ol thinkin' that got US into the mess we are in... B~~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 08:45 PM Bobert, I don't think McCain "is just like George Bush". Sorry, I can't walk that road with you. I wouldn't vote for McCain. But I see a mile's worth of difference between him and Bush, ideologically. And Bobert, you are looking more and more like a single issue candidate, except your single issue seems to be "anybody but the Republicans". There are a couple Republicans I could support before I supported more of the same ole status quo from the Democratic Obama/Clinton money laundering machinery. Sadly, none of them are running for prez this time around. MN's representative Jim Ramstad is one--he is retiring from the US House this year. Maybe he'll make a run in 4 more. How about a woman? Susan Collins of Maine would get my vote before Hilary would. I guess there aren't too many people who remember Teddy Roosevelt's excellent tactic, used when Taft (speaking of freakin' losers!) beat him for the Republican nomination in 1912. He pulled his delegates out of the convention, bolted and formed the Progressive Party. You think Obama has the guts to do that if he loses to Clinton? He certainly has plenty of money to do it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 02 Feb 08 - 08:25 PM Yeah, G.G.... WYSIWYG is waht sacres the livin' Hell outta me... I don'tr want endless war... War is stupid... We now have a world economy and the Earth can no longer afford old schoolers who think that war solves problems.... It doesn't solve jack!!! It inerferes with the the interconnectness of humanity... It sucks... It is stupid... It is moronish... It is anti-eatrh... It is fu*ked up thinking... It is anti-God... It is infintile... It is egotistic.... It is failure... This is what I see in McWar... Nothing but more than repeating behavior expecting different results... That is what Einstein defined as insanity... John McCain/McWar is an insane man... He has proven that over and over and over... He is just like Goeroge Bush... Well, G.G., if you liked the last 8 years with George Bush then if you support McCain/McWar you'' be right at home, should he win, with the next 8 years... That is what this boils down to... (((McWar = Bush)))... Like or not that is exactly what it is... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 08:08 PM I don't think he would make a good president. I'm saying on the character issue with McCain, I think he is a known quantity & WYSIWYG--no apologies. Now, that can all change overnight, if "handlers" take over after next Tuesday. But for now, I think McCain calls the shots, not the polling pundit advisors of his campaign. He didn't give an inch when he was down and out. And now look--he is riding on top of the Republican world. I personally wouldn't ever vote for him. But that doesn't mean I don't think millions will, especially those who will vote on the "character issue". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Donuel Date: 02 Feb 08 - 08:03 PM America if you support the troops if you want a strong America if you want the freedom to be rich stand up and cheer and elect John Mc Cain to be the next able President of these United States of AAMMMEERRICAAAA YA YAAA YAAAAAAAAAAY Guns over jobs Greedy over needy Protection over election It takes one to know one It takes a POW to be commander and chief It takes a warrior to wage more war. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 02 Feb 08 - 07:37 PM Well, G.G., you are entirely correct... There is no logic other than McC and McC are two peas in the same pod... I might vote for Bloomberg... Not Romney, not McC, not the other McC... The Green Party probably won't make the Va. ballot so I might juts not vote at all for any presidential candidate... As for Obama??? That is a fair question, G.G. and I realize that my "Trojan Horse" answer leaves room for ridicule and, hey, I'm a bluesman... I'm comfortable with humility... LOL... But, let's turn this one around, G.G.... Rather than me trying to expalin my logic on Obama, maybe you can explain why you think McCain/McWar would make a good president??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Feb 08 - 07:36 PM Being a Repub he wouldn't get assassined... Wouldn't bet on that - you've had four Presidents assassinated, and three of them were Republicans... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 07:26 PM But Bobert, there is no significant difference between the stated positions of Obama and Clinton, so I'm grasping at straws trying to figure out why you think Obama will turn out to be something different than he is telling his supporters he is right now. Or is it you are planning to vote against whomever the Repubs put up, no matter who--or McCain specifically? Is there any other Repub you could vote for? What if Bloomberg jumps in? Or Romney does well enough on Tuesday to stay in the game, and maybe win it at the convention? I'm not following your logic here, because you seem to be saying that Obama will be more progressive than he claims to be, if elected president. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 02 Feb 08 - 07:05 PM Not really, G.G.... I'm not a single issue voter... Might of fact, the last Dem or Repub presidential candidate that I voted for was Jimmy Carter... I know what I'm going to get with McWar and McClinton... I'm not sure with McObama but of the three he is the only one who just might be the Trojan Horse... The others are gonna fight wars until the cows come home... They are gonna woof-woof on health care, on eductaion... Neither of them will square with problems created by globalization... About jobs... About how America can compete... About real education that prespares kids to the emerging world economy... About energy policies not written by oilmen... Abouty tax policies that don't favor rich people and corporations... Those are real issues... Does Obama have anything on the table that addresses them all... No, he doesn't... McWar and McClinton have proven they don't... So it comes down to a "Hail Mary" with Obama... What else can I do... Voter once agin for my ol' buddy, Ralph Nadar... (Well, maybe, Bobz... If it McC v McC then, yeah...) Okay, let me put it this way... I won't vote for any McCs, thank you... America has had enough of their kind... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 05:42 PM Bobert, are you a single issue voter? Is it only about the Iraq war vote in 2002 to you? Come on dude, lot's has happened since then. I'm not opposed to Clinton because she voted for the war, and I'm not opposed to McCain because he voted for the war. I'm opposed to all of them, because I think they will make terrible presidents, for a myriad of reasons, but mostly because they are puppets of the corporate plutocracy, working against the best interests of the US and the world. You are way too emotionally invested in Obama, Bobert. His Dr. Feelgood persona has you bamboozled if you think he is truly against all war. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 02 Feb 08 - 05:30 PM Robert McNamara never voted to go to war in Vietnam... This ain't about Obama... It's about McCain... When there were millions of people in the streets sayin' "Hey, wait just a dog gone minute" McCain turned a deaf ear... When memebers of our own Congress said, "Hey, this is stupid", McCain turned a deaf ear... When Scott Ritter, a former chief inspector said, "Bush has it wrong", McCain turned a deaf ear... Check your list for military/idustrialist McCain campaign donors, GG... And just for the record, which future war is Obama on record of favoring??? Talk about "Swift Boating".... Geeze... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 05:13 PM Sloganeering distorts reality. McCain isn't for "less jobs". That's ridiculously poor English, besides. "More wars with fewer jobs" if that is what you want to say, even though it makes no sense. I don't believe McCain loves war, any more than Robert McNamara loved war. What people like that love is the illusion of power it gives them. But don't kid yourselves. Even if Obama says he doesn't worship at that altar, if you elect him president, he'll be right there worshipping with McCain. Why? Because Obama ain't anti-war. He's anti-wars the US ain't winning right now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 02 Feb 08 - 05:09 PM Well, not to be splittin' hairs, GG, but he *is* a war monger... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Feb 08 - 05:04 PM "Less jobs and More wars," that's the way he seems to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 04:16 PM Oh, I think it misrepresents McCain's views, and does it to make him look like a war monger, aka Dr. Strangelove. That is intended solely for the independent voters lurking in between the Dems and Repubs right now, waiting to see who will be imposed by us. Don't forget--the majority of voters had, by a slim margin, already turned against the war in 2004, but re-elected Bush anyway. The Dems will do a whole lot of Swift Boating this year, and this is but the beginning... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Bobert Date: 02 Feb 08 - 04:01 PM Maybe, GG... And for the very same reason that Nixon went to China... Being a Repub he wouldn't get assasined by some nutball NASCAR-dad for doing it... But I don't see this ad as "Swift Boating"... Maybe a little over the top but certainly not a misrepresentation of McWar's views... That's the problem I have with all the candidates who remain... They are all helplesss to change the discussion without getting literally shot to death for doing so... The military/industrial complex has a mighty big appetite... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:36 PM SRS, that's probably only new news to Dems. To anyone who has followed McCain's career, that isn't news. BTW, no president has been able to executive order Roe v Wade away, nor would they be able to, because that is the law of the land. At least for now. I've seen this McCain video. Partisan Dem websites like Huff Po are proving they can Swift Boat McCain as easily as the Bushies Swift Boated Kerry. I see nothing "Dr Strangelove-ish" about saying the US will keep at least a base or two in Iraq, even after the pullout. There's all that oil to be protected for the Eur-Am oil oligarchy, after all. Now, call me crazy, but I think McCain will stand down the troops before Clinton or Obama will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:31 PM I heard a good story on Weekend Edition this morning. They pointed out the misnomer about his views on reproductive freedom. I also had reached the wrong conclusion, that because he tries to be more moderate about some things and fiscally responsible that he held different views than most other republicans regarding right to life down-your-throat stuff. But he's as bad as Bush and the others in this. Women won't have the right to choose under his administration, either. SRS |
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Subject: BS: Something 'Strange' about McCain? From: Charley Noble Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:24 PM I friend sent me a link to this unsettling video: Click at Your Own Risk! Is it too late? Charley Noble |
