BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Dec 16 - 05:24 PM

WWIII is being fought on the internet, plus a soupcon of AK45's.

WWIV may well be fought with sticks and stones ............. and name calling. see above

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 16 - 03:26 PM

My apologies for returning to this sump of misinformation, CowFart, but I just can't help wondering if you can supply any statistics on the pernicious effect of HUMAN farts in general, and of BruceFarts in particular on global climate change.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Iains
Date: 15 Dec 16 - 10:40 AM

I would not be too dismissive of Methane, it may degrade relatively quickly but there is a lot of it and when it starts to be released from methane hydrates it is in a feedback loop that would accelerate as the temperature increased. Also bear in mind it is proposed that a partial release mechanism of the storegga slide was destabilised by methane hydrates and shot a tsunami over a chunk of northwest europe. The death toll in Doggerland alone would have been catastrophic.

http://worldoceanreview.com/en/wor-1/ocean-chemistry/climate-change-and-methane-hydrates/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storegga_Slide

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Dec 16 - 09:53 AM

The effects of methane over the next 50 years are greater than the effects of CO2 reduction by orders of magnitude that is being touted by the UN and Liberal Voices as the solution to Climate Change.

My point is that since we CANNOT stop climate change without drastic action no one is willing to take, we should be looking at ways of dealing with the effects rather than making meaningless attempts to stop the tide from coming in.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Dec 16 - 09:42 AM

As I remember it, the effect of methane is not that clear-cut. It is a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, but it doesn't last very long in the atmosphere before getting oxidized or lost to space (years rather than centuries). So either as cow burps or ocean seeps, maybe no big deal.

Chlorinated and fluorinated hydrocarbons (i.e. refrigeration and air conditioning heat transfer fluids) are definitely serious - they are even more effective as greenhouse gases than methane and are only degraded very slowly. Domestic and automotive air conditioning should be banned worldwide and immediately (also because of their staggering energy demands).

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Dec 16 - 09:28 AM

As I said, you are either agreeing I am right, or that YOU are a climate change denier like your model, Trump. One or the other- this is a binary choice.


Glad you are done- now we can have a real discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 16 - 09:24 AM

I'm saying YOU and your increaringly hysterical nonsense should be ignored, CowFart. And I'm done here.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Dec 16 - 08:54 AM

No answers, GregtrF?

Should I presume that you agree with me, or that YOU are ADMITTING YOU ARE A SCIENCE DENIER?


Are you saying that methane is NOT a greenhouse gas?

Are you saying we should NOT be concerned about the lack of any effort to control it, if we are controlling greenhouse gases?

Are you saying that climate change should be ignored?

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 09:48 AM

Do get back on your meds, CowFart. Either that or progress beyond the intellectual age of two year old.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 07:59 AM

"No, CowFart, I'm not talking about irrelevant ancient history or the incident you have developed a aberrant psychotic fixation upon which was dealt with by all and sundry five years ago."

WRONG, asswipe.
YOU made a false statement that, in this part of the country, can get a person fired. An individual using the word "niggardly" in the proper sense lost his job in DC. YOUR false accusation was a serious threat to my employment.



"I'm talking about posts RELEVANT TO THIS PARTICULAR THREAD and the comments you erroneously claim that I have made oN THIS THREAD about climate science.

You still haven't provided any statements by me that would confirm your repeated lies."


WHAT lies, you rat fucking bastard?

Are you saying that methane is NOT a greenhouse gas?

Are you saying we should NOT be concerned about the lack of any effort to control it, if we are controlling greenhouse gases?

Are you saying that climate change should be ignored?



YOUR contributions to this thread:

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Date: 12 Dec 16 - 04:02 PM

Query CowFartBruce: what and why is your particular obsession with bovine digestion and rectal emissions?

You seem to be aligned with the POS-Elect's all-star cast of science and reality deniers.

Cow farts are a source of methane emission, but cow burps are a much bigger problem.

As far as that goes, CowFartBruce's emissions are a much bigger problem than all of the above.

TRUUUUMMMMPPPPFFF!!!

Date: 12 Dec 16 - 06:57 PM

Well CowFartBruce, all iI can say in response to your methane is TTTRRRUUUMMMMPPPHHHHH.

Now run along and worship your hero Donald and his science-denying cabinet.

HEIL TRUMP!!

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Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Iains
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 04:30 AM

The huge problem is that this train is already on the tracks and gathering speed. To brake it without any collateral damage would require the equivalent of dozens of Manhattan Projects. As usual the politicians are way behind and many still in denial.
I suspect this train will leave the tracks.
An Einstein quote provides a poor analogy but gives some idea of a possible future:

'I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.'

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 04:09 AM

Well there is a lot of hot air on this thread. That's fer sure.

It is not a question of whether we should adapt to climate change, we will have to.

Food production will shift towards the poles, plants will be less efficient at producing sustenance as the population increases.

And on a notso minor point, have you noticed that desserts predominate at a certain latitude, the same one that the denuding Amazonian rainforest sits. The old saying that it is the lungs of the world are evident there alone. What happens as it disappears? (hint positive feedback).

I would say in addition to cowfarts, we should be adapting our own emissions. Now what does hydrogen sulfide do to the atmosphere?

History repeats itself, it has to, nobody is listening. Remember the Anasazi? Angkor Wat? Easter Island? No, they weren't different, they just got so arrogant and blind to profligacy plus they refused to factor in extreme years.

And they had their deniers, who made the decisions obviously.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 04:16 PM

No, CowFart, I'm not talking about irrelevant ancient history or the incident you have developed a aberrant psychotic fixation upon which was dealt with by all and sundry five years ago.

I'm talking about posts RELEVANT TO THIS PARTICULAR THREAD and the comments you erroneously claim that I have made oN THIS THREAD about climate science.

You still haven't provided any statements by me that would confirm your repeated lies.

Now about that English refresher course......do consider it seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 03:42 PM

NOTE THIS WAS NOT EVEN MY POST, and that GregtrF reads "He is Black and a Democrat." as "the sponsor of the bill was a Dumb Ni--er."

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 03:37 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:00 PM

....
Beardie is also the guy that, in the thread about cash only for second-hand goods, wanted us to know that the sponsor of the bill was a Dumb Ni--er.





Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:31 PM

For Max and Beardie's benefit, from the archives:

Subject: RE: BS: Louisiana Makes It Illegal To Use Cash
From: pdq - PM
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 07:37 PM

Just for the record, the idiot behind this bill is a member of the Louisiana House of Representitives.

He is Black and a Democrat."

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 03:28 PM

YOU posted that I had said something-
When called out, YOU provided a post by someone else stating that someone was "Black, and a Democrat"

YOU insisted it was the same thing as "Dumb Ni**er" TO YOU.

You want YOUR posts back up here, you scum sucking liar?

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 03:21 PM

No, you see, that's a post by YOU, CowFart, not by me.

You still haven't provided any statements by me that would confirm your spew.

Perhaps a review course in English comprehension would be of benefit.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 02:05 PM

I did.

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From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 01:03 PM

You have been stating that the scientists discussing methane are not "accepted science", which they are. YOU are the one who refuses to accept the science of climate change.

So you MUST be supporting Trump, as you have stated that he is a climate change denier, like yourself. "


And YOU are the one who posted here that anyone who was "Black, and a Democrat" was a "Dumb Ni##er"


Sounds like what you claim about Trump supporters to me, RatFucker.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 01:47 PM

You have been stating that the scientists discussing methane are not "accepted science

Please cite the comments in question that would support this, CowFart.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 01:16 PM

Steve,

You still have that problem with comprehension of simple English?

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 01:14 PM

Mr Red,

"Then there is the thawing permafrost in (eg) Siberia. That is releasing methane too. The whole problemo is one of positive feedback. Global warming, methane release, more global warming."

Correct, which is why the idea that limiting man-made carbon pollution by a limited amount, which does NOT prevent warming, just slows the rate of increase a trivial amount, is a BAD IDEA.

The energy we have now will not be available in 50 years when we need to move whole populations because of climate change that we CANNOT STOP FROM OCCURRING.

We SHOULD be working NOW to adapt to new climates, and provide for a transition with less upheaval.NOT what the present crop of "Climate Change Preventers" are proposing at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 01:13 PM

You appear to be getting very confused and now you're going all sweary on us. Poor chap.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 01:05 PM

Or are you trying to say you are NOT the one posting COWFART at me, you rat fucker?

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 01:03 PM

You have been stating that the scientists discussing methane are not "accepted science", which they are. YOU are the one who refuses to accept the science of climate change.

So you MUST be supporting Trump, as you have stated that he is a climate change denier, like yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 12:55 PM

[you are]aligned with the POS-Elect's all-star cast of science and reality deniers" from your own comments.

Please cite the comments in question that would support this, CowFart.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 12:13 PM

The "dinos" are still very much with us. We call them birds.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 10:25 AM

Was'nt this one of the more weird theories for dino demise at one time ?

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 06:34 AM

Thank you, GregtrF, Mudcat's new "Liberal" MartinGibson.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 05:47 AM

Of far more concern are the methane hydrates trapped in the arctic

Not just the Arctic, one explanation for the Bermuda Triangle is that hydrates' covering is mud that shifts and release the methane which produces fizzy seas and boats have less buoyancy in a gas/water mixture. Plenty of eye witness to the condition. Hydrates are known in the area.

Then there is the thawing permafrost in (eg) Siberia. That is releasing methane too. The whole problemo is one of positive feedback. Global warming, methane release, more global warming.

Anyone who remembers learning to ride a bike can relate to positive feedback.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 06:57 PM

Well CowFartBruce, all iI can say in response to your methane is TTTRRRUUUMMMMPPPHHHHH.

Now run along and worship your hero Donald and his science-denying cabinet.

HEIL TRUMP!!

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 05:30 PM

As for GregtrF,



I think that YOU have been shown to be obsessed with excrement, and are certainly "aligned with the POS-Elect's all-star cast of science and reality deniers" from your own comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 05:28 PM

Mr. Shaw,

I was presuming that the readers would be capable of reading BBC English- It seems I am wrong in your case.

From the article:

" Robert Jackson from Stanford University, US."
"Prof Jackson was speaking ahead of this week's American Geophysical Union (AGU) meeting in San Francisco where methane trends will be a major point of discussion.

With colleagues who are part of an initiative called the Global Carbon Project, he has also just authored an editorial in the journal Environmental Research Letters (ERL). "

""If we want to stay below two degrees temperature increase, we should not follow this track and need to make a rapid turn-around," said Dr Marielle Saunois from the University of Versailles Saint Quentin, France. She is the lead author on the ERL paper. "

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 04:42 PM

"Scientists say..."

"Researchers warn that... "

Weasel words. Pseudo-science. Not saying there isn't an issue, far from it. But get your sources right.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 04:02 PM

Query CowFartBruce: what and why is your particular obsession with bovine digestion and rectal emissions?

You seem to be aligned with the POS-Elect's all-star cast of science and reality deniers.

Cow farts are a source of methane emission, but cow burps are a much bigger problem.

As far as that goes, CowFartBruce's emissions are a much bigger problem than all of the above.

TRUUUUMMMMPPPPFFF!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 02:33 PM

Fracking is the legacy of the Dick Cheney energy policy.
It is proof how suddenly human activity changes the Earth.
Look at fracking from the air some time on google Earth.
It is true methane is many times worse for global warming than CO2.

Titan is like a Methane planet. Its 1 inch rain drops, dark lakes, streams and oceans are methane. If struck by a huge frozen oxygen asteroid it would 'splode real good.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 02:21 PM

Cow farts are a source of methane emission, but cow burps are a much bigger problem. The amount of methane that's expelled from the rear of a cow pales in comparison with what it belches from the front. And the problem is exacerbated by pastures planted in fast-growing perennial rye grass which is difficult for cows to digest. Cattle who graze in natural pastures burp much less.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Iains
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 01:58 PM

Of far more concern are the methane hydrates trapped in the arctic, both in the permafrost and also on the sea floor. The stability of these compounds is governed by temperature as the clathrate compounds are formed of a frozen water lattice trapping the potent green house gas methane. AS temperatures rise the methane is released and there is a vast reservoir of it that could potentially melt. This would not merely add to our carbon footprint as more like drown it in a huge lake.

Subject: RE: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 01:13 PM

Here in Norfolk the flavour-of-the-month is maize cultivation for biofuel. There's a huge storage facility for the stuff fairly near us, and I understand the idea is to ferment it to produce methane. The tractors pulling great truckloads of chopped-up maize are everywhere in late summer, and production of grain such as barley and wheat seems to have fallen out of favour. Could this craze for methane-production be a contributing cause of the methane increase?

Subject: BS: Cowfarts- BBC concerned
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 12:06 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38285300


"Scientists say they are concerned at the rate at which methane in the atmosphere is now rising.

After a period of relative stagnation in the 2000s, the concentration of the gas has surged.

Methane (CH4) is a smaller component than carbon dioxide (CO2) but drives a more potent greenhouse effect.

Researchers warn that efforts to tackle climate change will be undermined unless CH4 is also brought under tighter control. "