non music G. Wallace

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: MarkS
Date: 10 Nov 00 - 08:31 PM

Khandu and CarolC - You are both kids!
MarkS (who hit the double nickel this year)

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Nov 00 - 06:08 PM

khandu...you are old. Almost two years older than me! (Someone had me my cane...)

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: GUEST,Luther
Date: 10 Nov 00 - 05:56 PM

heh, DougR, I felt kind of like my last post was a bit snippy after I logged off, I was in a bit of a rush. No offense intended, none taken ;)

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: DougR
Date: 10 Nov 00 - 01:54 PM

Sorry, Guest Luther, didn't mean to pile on ya! As I re-read what I wrote, it was a bit harsh.

DougR

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: GUEST,khandu
Date: 10 Nov 00 - 01:49 PM

I am ancient. Been around since the foundations were lain.

However, in years, I am merely 47.

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: GUEST,Luther
Date: 10 Nov 00 - 01:33 PM

DougR, jeez -- when I said "the speculation has been", I meant exactly that. It was indeed common speculation at the time.

The sources of the speculation about the Wallace shooting were maybe a bit more mainstream than Hollowfox remembers -- in particular, a Woodward and Bernstein story on a peculiar bit of testimony from Howard Hunt. Hunt testified before the Senate that Colson, on the night of the Wallace shooting, had ordered him to break into Bremer's apartment and "make it look like the commies did it". Colson denied giving Hunt the orders. The matter wasn't pursued, and became just another loose end in the Watergate investigation, but it raised the obvious questions -- and, of course, the Nixon burglars were no strangers to assassination plots. If you recall Dean testified that at one point Hunt was ordered to assassinate the president of Panama. This isn't "conspiracy theory", it's just public record, as was Nixon's anxiety about losing the bigot constituency to Wallace.

Hence the rumor (there were other sources, I gotta get back to work, but if you're still curious that should give you enough to go on -- nope, I don't have any theories on the JFK assassination.)

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: Gary T
Date: 10 Nov 00 - 10:06 AM

Interestingly, Wallace himself was not a "nigger hater", and as I recall was actually rather progressive on the race issue at the beginning of his political career. But after getting soundly defeated in some election, he commented about his opponent, "He out-niggered me, boys," and adopted a racist stance. Sadly, it proved very effective in ensuring victory in subsequent elections.

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 09:54 PM

khandu,

My apologies if I misinterpreted what you were saying in your earlier post.

(Care to divulge your age? ;-)

Carol

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: GUEST,khandu
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 09:49 PM

Carol C. I did not say the quote...I was merely asking if G.W. said it.

As for opinions, I am an avid defender of EVERYONE having the right to have their own opinion...even people like G.W.

I agree, the Dems. & the Reps. are quite different, more than a dimes worth.

I feel somewhat disenfranchised (maybe it is my age! :D ) from either of the major parties. I see "some" good in each, but a lot of "BS as usual" in both.

I have never found an indie that I would support.

I'm just not a party animal. (Gotta be my age!)

khandu

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: DougR
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 09:31 PM

I suppose you heard the rumor also, that LBJ had Kennedy shot. I don't believe that either.

DougR

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 09:01 PM

khandu,

I personally see a very big difference between the Democrats of today and the Republicans of today. My perceptions with regard to this led me to decide to put my wholehearted support behind the Democratic party during this election. Had the Republicans nominated McCain as their presidential candidate, I might have decided differently.

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion. And, thankfully, so am I.

Carol

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: kendall
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 07:54 PM

No one has less use for Nixon than I, but, I would never believe he would order a shooting. I do believe, however, that the main reason he didnt contest the 1960 election (Cook county Ill.) was that his people were doing the same thing elsewhere.

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: Charcloth
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 07:20 PM

thanks for responding. you confirmed my speculations

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: Hollowfox
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 06:11 PM

DougR, I remember Guest Luther's rumor as well, from the time of the shooting. I put it down to rumor that might someday evolve into folklore at the time. Then, as now, folk like(d) to pass on an interresting bit of gossip or speculation. Has anyone collected/published any non-dopelore and non-Vietnam War related folklore from the 70's?

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: DougR
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 05:57 PM

Guest Luther: I can't challenge your comment regarding speculation that Nixon ordered Wallace shot, but unless you have some information I have not seen anywhere, that's a pretty reckless thing to say, I think.

Wallace was a bigot, and I don't think either of the major parties in America wanted to have anything to do with him.

DougR

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 01:17 PM

Wallace was the guy who began to pry the "solid south" away from the Democratic Party. The old FDR coalition was built on a base of the unions, blacks and the south. Reagan turned the south around, essentially.

I couldn't believe the election map on Tuesday: all the southern states fell like dominoes. Only Florida. . .

Back in the Wallace days we always got a kick out of the acronym for the American Independent Party.

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: GUEST,khandu
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 12:51 PM

Wasn't it George W. that said there's is not a dimes worth of difference between the Dems. and Reps. except that the Reps. have the dime.?

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: GUEST,Luther
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 12:39 PM

Wallace ran as the American Independent Party candidate in '68, on a platform of keeping the niggers down, and took 46 electoral votes. In '72 he went back to the Democrats, won the Michigan Democratic primary in a landslide, got shot. He was never a Republican.

The speculation has been that Nixon ordered the shooting -- Wallace was his only real threat, in that he siphoned off the nigger-hater vote that Nixon desperately courted.

more fun facts from our splendid democracy...

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: Allan C.
Date: 08 Nov 00 - 11:23 PM

I am sure there were numerous reasons, the largest of which was that he wasn't getting the support he wanted from his party.

If he had through some fluke actually won the presidency and if I had followed through with my sentiments of the time, I would be writing this from Australia.

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Nov 00 - 11:17 PM

Oops! I meant they wouldn't belong to the Republican party.

Subject: RE: non music G. Wallace
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Nov 00 - 11:15 PM

Abe Lincoln was a Republican. So in the post Civil War South, no self respecting racist would belong to the Democratic party. Not until after the civil rights movement.

I don't remember about Geo. Wallace changing from the Dem. party to the Rep. party. Did he?

Carol

Subject: non music G. Wallace
From: Charcloth
Date: 08 Nov 00 - 11:11 PM

I know it's not a musical type question but, we were talking about independent candidates & I faintly remember George Wallace (hey,I was in grade school when he ran) Any way wasn't he originaly a Democrat? If so what were the reasons he broke with the party. Like I said, I was in grade school so I honestly don't remember.