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Subject: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:03 PM As I have posted before, I live out in the sticks. Our home sits smack dab in the center of about 30 acres...half field, half woods. Each year we place Posted signs around the perimeter of the property...NO HUNTING NO FISHING NO TRESPASSING. Each year it seems that we find folks on our land, last year one guy was standing beside our back barn....50 feet away from some of the dogs! My first instinct is to yell to them that the land is posted. One year there was a guy in our field not far from the house. I happened to be leaving and he was about 1/4mile down in the field. I stopped the car and looked at him. He turned around, looked at me and then went back to his hunting. I, in turn, sounded the horn for about 15 seconds in hopes to get his attention and to scare away any deer. I got out of the car and waited while he walked back through the field to me. I shouted, THIS FIELD IS POSTED....NO HUNTING. He apologized and said he didn't see the sign....the one that was directly in front of his parked truck!!! Afterwards I was thinking to myself that what I had done was pretty damn stupid...screaming at a man with a gun...yeah...BRILLIANT. So...my question to you is, how would you handle someone on your posted land that is clearly hunting? Sometimes within 500ft of your home or animals? Calling the police is an option although they seldom will come for such a thing. Calling the game warden is an option too, but considering they number less than 6 for an entire county known for it's hunting...well...they are usually swamped and don't have time for this kind of thing either. Any suggestions? I have threatened to hook up my violin to an amp and play all day...outside. Course...that might get me shot too..LOL. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: gnu Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:09 PM Pictures or video... him and his license plate and your sign!!! or just on your property. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: katlaughing Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:12 PM For one, get a picture of their vehicle, with license plate, if possible, then call the game warden and demand they be ticketed for violations. (Or, start out nicely, by *suggesting* they get ticketed.) If you can afford it, look into some kind of perimeter system which will shock the living daylights out of them if they come in contact with it. Rig up alarms/flashing lights/etc to any gates, entries onto the property, etc. which will instantly alert you and, again, scare the living daylights out of them. Set up loudspeakers and get a recording of random gunshots to play in a loop or an authoratative voice, like the robot on Space Family Robinson**bg**, which says "Warning, Warning, you have violated the NO TRESPASSING ZONE, LEAVE IMMEDIATELY!" But, I agree the violin would be better and you don't want to scare all of the deer off of your safe property, either.:-) Good luck! Maybe Alba will stop i this thread. I think she's had to deal with this kind of problem,too. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: katlaughing Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:13 PM took so long to type up, gnu beat me to it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:13 PM Ok, but how does that get the hunter to leave and not shoot towards my family, animals and home? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:16 PM None of the property is fenced and an alarm system really just isn't feasible. I once asked an officer if I could booby trap the land and while he chuckled at my plans, he said that would be illegal. DRAT! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: bobad Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:19 PM I experienced the same problem with poachers on my property. I solved the problem by giving permission to people I know and trust to hunt it. That way I at least know who's out there and get some game out of it. I also wasn't keen on the idea of killing deer but am realistic enough to know that we have a deer overpopulation problem which is primarily due to loss of habitat and this is one way of controlling it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapparee Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:40 PM Taking a shot at you or your house would get them into trouble sooooo deep that they'd have to be mad to do it. I consider myself a hunter. Check your state's game laws -- I'll bet that anyone hunting private property MUST get written permission before going onto the land. Photograph the person, their vehicle (if any), the license plate -- and use a camera that records the date and time whent he picture is taken. Use a new roll of film for this, and turn the UNDEVELOPED roll over to the authorities (mark it, and get a receipt for it from the cops -- this is called "continuity of evidence"). If you know where they usually come in, get some of that yellow caution tape and string it liberally around that area -- especially so that it frames your "No Trespassing" signs. If this doesn't do it, there are cameras marked for hunters to take picture of game animals. You can use them to take pictures of illegal hunters, too. They are probably doing this because they have always done it. 99% of the hunters out there are ethical and law-biding, and if you point out to them the error of their ways they'll change them. Good luck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:48 PM I don't have an issue with people hunting the deer as many people in this area actually count on that deer to get them through the winter months food wise. I also know that there is an overpopulation of deer. I just don't want them shooting at my home, in the direction of my family, animals, home, vehicles,etc. I will be taking photos/video this year for the police to handle but in the meantime, I just want them to hunt where it is SAFE to do so...which is NOT on this mountaintop. Michelle PS. In 7 years time, there has only ever been ONE, count them...ONE...hunter who has asked permission to hunt on our land. We allowed him to hunt here after he promised to be shooting AWAY from where the people, animals and buildings are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: SINSULL Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:49 PM Just read an article about the lady who was shot to death in her back yard during hunting season - she was wearing white mittens. The hunter was found innocent despite the fact that he discharged his firearm too close to a residence. There is a limit set in Maine. Her husband moved out of state and is a hunter himself. The Blame The Victim attitude of the local hunting community nearly destroyed him. She left behind an infant daughter as well. No advice Lily. It is a common problem. But please don't go waving white mittened hands at any trespassers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: JohnInKansas Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:52 PM Not a serious suggestion, but a bit of historical lore. One old gentleman of my acquaintance (many years ago) had a real problem with uninvited hunters on his posted land, and several remedies hadn't been too successful. Under the "Posted - No Hunting - No Trespassing" he placed another sign that said "DANGER - RIFLE PRACTICE RANGE - DO NOT ENTER." They did anyway. They left in a hurry when the sound of a few .270 rifle shots arrived from the "homestad" just after bits of gravel flew (a safe distance from them, although it probably didn't seem far off). Now, you'd probably be in more trouble than they would, but... You're likely to get the most serious action from Game Wardens, but as you've said they're spread rather thin. Photos and a License Plate number, with a description of the "hunters" and dates and times in some areas will be followed up - eventually. You may get quicker response from Law Enforcement - but in remote areas it's only if they happen to be in the area. In many rural areas, a (polite) inquiry (what do you guys do about this?) or complaint to a local Farm Bureau association - or to individual members - may help, since the many of the members likely have the same problem, and quite a few of them may be hunters themselves and are fairly likely to know "who done it" - if it's someone local. They can't do much except exert a bit of "social disapproval," but that can be pretty powerful sometimes. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: bobad Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:56 PM In my area the hunting is limited to shotgun because of the density of housing. This makes it quite a bit safer as the range is much shorter than than that of high velocity rifles. What sort of weaponry is used where you are? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:02 PM Sins...no worries about white mittens! Everyone in this house wears bright red, hunter orange or that neon yellow-green during hunting season. It's kind of creepy to know that when you go outside to feed the animals or get the mail that someone who isn't thinking might shoot at you. It has happened that some have been killed in this area. And forgive me if you are from NJ, but they are THE WORST at shooting anything that moves...they come here to hunt....I don't think some of them even KNOW what a deer looks like. As to what kinds of guns are used, shotguns (buckshot) are used as are rifles...what caliber, I have no idea. Michelle PS. My husband was awful darn close to getting the rifle out and blasting it into the sky when the guy at our backbarn thought he was going to continue to stand there and hunt. What really drives us crazy is that 4 or 5 guys will chase a deer through the field while a hunter waits at the bottom....this guy sees the deer running down the hill through the field and then shoots towards the deer....and towards our house. I think that kind of hunting is unethical not to mention putting others in danger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Sorcha Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:38 PM I think the yellow tape is a good idea, and the pics of course......and your Mr. just might shoot at the ground...don't shoot in the air....it lands who knows where. Don't see how he could be ticketed for shooting his on yard......yes, scare the holy bejeeezus out of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:42 PM I always thought I would post signs that say "No hunting - Deaf Children Playing." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: leftydee Date: 21 Nov 05 - 07:20 PM Michelle, I agree with Bobad. The best way to keep unwanted visitors away is to find one or two bowhunters to give your long-term permission. Make sure they understand YOUR rules ( where to park, no guests, etc.) and give them the responsibility of keeping others away. Having a good place to hunt is something they will guard jealously. You can find sports that will improve your habitat, repair fences, post signs, run wire and bring you a little meat for the table now and then. Bowhunters, I think, are the key. They spend more time afield and are unlikely to be barging around blindly hoping to dumb into a deer. Make sure you find some experienced bowhunters and your problems will go away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bobert Date: 21 Nov 05 - 07:30 PM I have given permission to at least a half a dozen folks to hunt on our farm but have told them they have to call to let us know when they're gonna be here so that we never have but one hunter per day... So far, it has worked and we've developed a respect from the hunters... Plus, our deer population has been decreased by one so far... Three to go!!! Happy, afe and permitted huntin'... I think if you confront these hunters and tell 'u the rules, things will be just fine... Good luck... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 21 Nov 05 - 07:38 PM Ok...I guess there really isn't anything to do. I mean, bowhunters aren't in the field when these idiots with the guns are. And uh, confront a backwoods, redneck, 3 toothed, tobacco spittin' stubbly faced thug with a gun? I don't think so. I think you ought to come up here Bobert and meet these *FINE GENTLEMEN* that are out playing with guns. The local folks DO respect each other's line...it's the fools from out of state who have NO regard for anything. They run their 4-wheelers up and down the road (illegal), through our fields (illegal...POSTED), shoot their guns and fireworks off until all hours of the night....not to mention the booze fest. Oh yeah...favorite trick of out of state hunters or those from downstate...leave the wedding ring at home and snuggle into someone else's bed. I have NO issue with hunters who are respectful and who use the deer to feed their families...who hunt SAFELY. Bobert, c'mon over my friend. You take up chatting with these guys, k? Be sure to wear your hunter safety orange everything lest you get shot on the walk from the car to the house. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Clinton Hammond Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:05 PM In the immortal words of Fred Eaglesmith Time to get a gun, that's what I've been thinking I know I could afford on If I did just a little less drinking Time to put something between me and the sun When the talking is over It's time to get a gun |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:07 PM YOU, DO NOT, "own it!!!"
You are a temporary steward for future populations you will never know.
Kindly invite the unexpected visitors into your home for fresh ginger-bread and hot tea (fall/winter) or butter-cookies and lemonaid (spring/summer.)
No need to be a "B*&&%3@" about it - "MAKE" a new friend (you being female and the hunters being male - take it as you will.)
Sincerely,
Give a woman 30 acres and she believes she is "landed gentry from the Book of Doom." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bobert Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:22 PM Guess it's a little in one's comfort level, Micelle... Our hunters ain't that much different from yers... But I wouldn't recomment you doin' it... It's a man's job to handle these situations an' ya' hjave to have a little redneck in ya to do it... properly>>> Well, Iz been 'round these folks all my life and though I don'tr agreew ith 'um too much, I know how to talk with 'um so they think I'm cool... Yeah, kinda like makin' love to a gorilla... Ya gotta do it on the gorilla's terms... Maybe you goota neighbor who has nuff redneck in him 'er her to do it fir ya'??? Bobert (Actually, I ain't got an oucne of redneck in me but been 'round 'um long 'nuff to handle 'um without no problems....) "Like what's shakin', neighbor... Ahhhhh, hey, sho is good to have some folks back here gettin' these danged deer outta my fields an' on the supper table, where they belong... I hope ya get 'um all... BTW, I really don't mind no one huntin' back here 'cept we'd like to know when folks is comin' up so that we don't have nobody accidently shot up... Here's out phone number... Give us a call before yer coming to be sure that no one else is gonna be huntin' that day... And.... drop me by a little deer meat if ya get one, will ya', neighbhor... Okay?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Kaleea Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:33 PM Gargoyle, I think I'd be sorely tempted to put a little something in the hot tea. Although the ginger could completely cover the taste of the salt peter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:00 PM Host a bagpipe convention all hunting season. Should solve the deer problem too. Winners all around! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: leftydee Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:17 PM Michelle, Where do you live? I run into a few knuckleheads here in Michigan but mostly the drunks stay in their camps and only damage themselves. I still say go with the bowhunters and tell them your problems; they'll take care of it. I have a small group I let hunt my 160 and they treat it better than I do, and they've become good friends as well. They come to hunt the gun season too and keep the riff raff away. The trick is to make sure they know this is long-term and will continue to be available if they take care of it |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: SINSULL Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:31 PM My Dad and his friends formed a hunting club in the late 40s. Membership passed to sons, relatives, and close friends. Unfortunately, some of the newer ones see hunting season as an excuse to get drunk, get laid, and play with guns. It is a problem. The ones hurt most by it are the serious hunters who observe all the rules and consider safety first. I too have a serious problem understanding how using scent and apples to attract deer and then shooting helpless animals is fun. But I have seen animals starving and dead from overpopulation. And I do enjoy venison occasionally. There were times in my childhood when if we didn't have venison we didn't have meat. Something tells me that a deer shot quickly and effectively dies a much saner death than panicked cattle being slaughtered one after the other with the air filled with the scent of panic and death. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapparee Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:37 PM A real hunter will never shoot towards your house or buildings. A real hunter doesn't shoot everything that moves. A real hunter makes absolutely CERTAIN of the target...and the backstop...before even thinking about pulling the trigger. A real hunter asks permission before entering on private property, and again asks permission before putting up even a temporary stand. And a real hunter saves the drinking for AFTER the hunt, when the weapons are unloaded and put away. What you've got are worse than slobs. I like the idea of getting the bow hunters on your side. They -- and the local muzzleloader group -- are usually real hunters. Make friends with them for a long-term deal. As for the road -- is it gravel or dirt? If so, doesn't it need a few minor ditches to run the water from one side to the other? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bob Bolton Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:55 PM G'day Michelle, I heard a tale, years back, of an area where local farms were frequently trespassed by hunters - despite prominent NO TRESPASSING, NO HUNTING, &c, signs. Anyway, new signs appeared around one farm perimeter: WARNING: RADIATION HAZARD TO UNPROTECTED PERSONNEL! This had the desired effect ... but the other farmers came around ... worried about "radioactivity" ... and the canny farmer said: "Well, the sign means what it says - any fool walks about without sunscreen ... might get sunburned!" Regard(les)s, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Barry Finn Date: 22 Nov 05 - 01:06 AM Call the Game Warden or Fish & Wild Life people. The same idots that can't read sign are the same hunters the mistake humans for large game. When we 1st lived in farm country we had horses, a bulls, cows & dogs to help pay the morgauge, if any took out a hunter I considered it fair game for the animal, the 25 acreas was always posted. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Cluin Date: 22 Nov 05 - 02:01 AM I'm a hunter also. Rapaire's right. They're dangerous idiots. Your life and peace is at stake. Your land's posted. They're trespassers. Call the cops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:20 AM Bobert, My apologies for snappin' at you last night but I am SO frustrated with this. What you have to say makes sense but there would have to be sober, cooperative individuals involved. These yahoos come to my neck of the woods because it's a vacation for them...party time. There's a lot of drinking involved and they've tried to intimidate our nearest neighbor (1/2 mile away) when she refused to do something that they asked which infringed upon her land. She has very little trouble with them hunting wise as she is a sheep farmer....everything is fenced and electrified. I agree THAT would be the best idea, however, we don't have a large amount of livestock or the cash to fence it all in. We do have a large gate at the end of our rather long driveway. It gets locked during hunting season. I guess I'm not following the rest of you with the allowing bowhunters and muzzleloading hunters shoot here. I understand that hunters with permission and KNOW that there is a house with people and animals would likely do as they are asked and be just fine with things...what I don't get is how that is going to keep the others away. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:43 AM I have the same problem with jerks on atvs who tear up my fields and destroy crops. I have found no solution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:46 AM Warning! Danger! Land Mines! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Crystal Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:55 AM I think getting a bull might help, put up lots of signs and move it around the fields a lot, possibly somone getting gored will keep others away, although the risk of the bull getting shot by one of these idiots is probably high. Also try electric fencing around your property. It stops most people! Clamp their trucks if they are parked on your land (you can buy wheel clamps on the internet I believe) and leave them the number of the local police station, let them explain why they are trespassing on privite property! Or set up traps which will rip their tyres to shreds. They might get the message. You could always get a pack of wolves to roam your land (Impractical I know, but it is a nice thought). Not sure how possible any of these suggestions are, but they would probably be great and even if you couldn't use any of them imiganing the look on peoples faces would be great, plus they are pretty untracable, no-one could really blame you personally! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Nov 05 - 08:03 AM Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapaire - PM Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:40 PM Taking a shot at you or your house would get them into trouble sooooo deep that they'd have to be mad to do it. Rap, with all due respect, this is not at all realistic to our area. LF is describing what happens ALL OVER our county on Buck Day. Goats, dogs, cats, all manner of animals-- and windows-- have all been shot on Buck Day. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,DB Date: 22 Nov 05 - 08:30 AM Sometimes there are advantages to living in Manchester, UK - and not rural North America! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bobert Date: 22 Nov 05 - 08:45 AM Drinkin' and huntin' don't mix too good, Michelle... Seein' as this is the case, call the game warden... In most states he has all the same authority as the police and some of them is much tougher soms-a-guns then the cops... That got one down in Loudoun County, McKeever, who makes Rambo look like a wuss... Bobertr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapparee Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:12 AM Out here in the West a hunting license for an out-of-stater costs at least ten times that of a resident. At least. Wyoming (I believe) requires that out-of-staters hunt with a guide. You might see about changing your hunting laws...and a big enough stink with your local politicos and in the local paper might light a fire in the State capitol, especially if the pressure in continued. As for the bow & muzzle loaders. They have a different ethic, especially if they are locals. Bow hunters in particular have to put in long hours of practice, even with the advantages that modern bows give. And when I say "muzzle loaders" I mean those that hunt with traditional weapons, NOT the modern "in-line" guns. They, too, must be skilled to be successful (one shot, for instance, means just that and a couple minutes to reload). To contact the type of muzzleloading hunter I'm refering to, see if their is a local "buckskinning" or re-enactment group. In fact, opening your land to a re-enactment group on the opening day of deer season would probably solve your problem right off the bat. Don't get a bull -- slobs will shoot it because it looked like it might attack them. Believe this; it's happened to friends of mine. There is, however, no reason not to put up signs saying "Warning! Dangerous Bull!" or "Warning! Vicious Dogs!" Perhaps bright orange signs reading "Absolutely No Trespassing -- Attack Dog Training Facility!" would help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:21 AM As Michelle ALREADY WROTE, the game wardens here are few and far between. LF and about 40,000 other locals could be making that same phone call on Buck Day or indeed, during the rest of huntiong season. The chances of the game warden making it up her hill that day are slim to "are-you-out-of-your-mind?" Why else do you think our county is si popular with the flatlanders???? "Rural Beauty" = "I Can Do as I Please with Impunity." Instead of giving her flatlander advice on how to deal with flatlanders that ignore posted signs, how about getting a little more creative? Michelle, do they tend to come into the property from just one place? How many miles are the perimeter of the property-- how many miles are folks here suggesting you go out and patrol???? Can your house actually be seen through the trees, from the whole perimeter? Can you post a big red flag somewehere that would be visible from everywhere, thru a scope? COULD your husband fire off a ground shot early every AM during hunting season, before he leaves for work, to let trespassers know someone is already hunting that area (and thus they might get accidentally shot themselves)? Or could you do it? Which part of the land is the most likely place where a shot aimed at deer might be a shot toward your house in its invisible mode? Because if a local hunting friend (or your husband) could tell you that, maybe some pruning of the cover in that area would reduce the hunters (making it a less desirable spot for them) and increase the house's safety (by increasing visibility). ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Allan C. Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:43 AM I guess I'm not following the rest of you with the allowing bowhunters and muzzleloading hunters shoot here. I understand that hunters with permission and KNOW that there is a house with people and animals would likely do as they are asked and be just fine with things...what I don't get is how that is going to keep the others away. The Real Hunters, described so well by Rapaire, will police the others to some extent. Believe me, this is true. Also, word travels fast among hunters. If a few trespassers get busted, it won't be long before most folks become aware of it. If you think about it, you've got to consider how these trespassers find out about your land. I would think it would be by way of asking a "local." It could be someone at a nearby mom & pop grocery, for instance. If you were to develop a reputation for busting trespassers, the recommendations would quickly stop. Other than the idea about the muzzle loaders and the bow hunters, I think the best idea so far has been the "crime scene" type barrier tape if used in conjunction with inviting those clubs to hunt on your land. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Sorcha Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:46 AM Get battery operated radios, etc and put them in trees. Drive off the deer and the hunters will leave.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:49 AM Ban hunting, it is a dangerous sport and should be relegated to the list of things that humans "used" ti do, but wised up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 22 Nov 05 - 10:44 AM Call the police and tell them the hunter is on posted land and is pointing his gun at you. They will come very quickly, it only takes one asshole to be arrested and fined for the word to spread to the others.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:09 PM Sorcha - I still think my bagpipes idea is better - the sound would carry further and protect the neighbours too.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Cluin Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:43 PM You've got a strange idea regarding the word "protect". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:42 PM Michelle, do they tend to come into the property from just one place? How many miles are the perimeter of the property-- how many miles are folks here suggesting you go out and patrol???? Can your house actually be seen through the trees, from the whole perimeter? Can you post a big red flag somewehere that would be visible from everywhere, thru a scope? COULD your husband fire off a ground shot early every AM during hunting season, before he leaves for work, to let trespassers know someone is already hunting that area (and thus they might get accidentally shot themselves)? Or could you do it? Which part of the land is the most likely place where a shot aimed at deer might be a shot toward your house in its invisible mode? Because if a local hunting friend (or your husband) could tell you that, maybe some pruning of the cover in that area would reduce the hunters (making it a less desirable spot for them) and increase the house's safety (by increasing visibility). Hmmm....I m unsure about the length of the perimeter of the property. I'd say the house is visable from about 45% of our property....maybe more since the leaves are now gone. Either of us can fire off shots throughout the day...not sure that these people will care too much about that....a sane person would...but then, well...I don't know about these folks. Where do the hunters come onto the property? Mostly from the East and South, although that one fellow was parked right in front of the NO HUNTING sign was right before the woodsy part of our driveway...it just depends on the idiot...er I mean hunter. Maybe it's hard for some of you to imagine, but our county is one of the larger in the state and people from the cities DO flock here to hunt. As far as I know, there is only ONE game warden, maybe they hire a few temps during the season, but I highly doubt it. Getting the police or game warden here just isn't an option. I have nothing against "rednecks" as I qualify as one (I live in the sticks, live in my blue jeans, have 2 4x4's sitting in the driveway, love country music, get dirty without whining about it...can't say as if I chew tobakky and I do have all my teeth...but I am NOT a city girl who has moved to the country)...nor do I have anything against hunters or fishermen as long as they are respectful of safety issues and actually USE the animal for food instead of a head on the wall. So far, I think the idea that makes the most sense to me is to fire off shots every so often and hanging up some extra signs on the perimeter where people seem to be coming in the most. You'd think they'd hear the dogs barking and take that as a clue that they have entered a residential area....you know...just in case they missed the BIG GIANT YELLOW AND RED SIGNS THAT SAY POSTED!!! Maybe that's the trouble...they can't read...gonna hafta make up some Elmer Fudd signs with a red circle around his head and a line through it...NO WABBIT HUNTING...NO HUNTING OF ANY KIND. SOWWY!!! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:16 PM Sign of a gun with a big cross thru it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapparee Date: 23 Nov 05 - 06:51 PM If you're going to fire off shots, may I offer a suggestion? If you don't have a 12 gauge (bore) shotgun, pick one up. You can get a single shot, single barrel for about US $75 or so that will work just fine. A so-called "slug gun" would be best. For about US $10 each, pick up a couple of packs of "birg bomb" shotgun shells. These are special shells that contain a large firecracker instead of shot. When the firecracker is up in the air, it detonates. Orginally designed to drive flocks of birds out of orchards, and you might have to go to a gun show to get them, although some hunting stores order them. You can go outside and fire one off at about a 45 degree angle over your property. It will frighten the deer (and possibly the slobs, too!) with two loud BANGS! instead of one. And there will be no shot falling from the skies, either. (And yes, yes, yes! If you shoot a gun for signal, PLEASE shoot into the ground (check for rocks first)! People have been killed by others shooting into the air.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Barry Finn Date: 23 Nov 05 - 07:36 PM If they cross on to someone's property that's posted No Hunting/No Trespassing it's a criminal offense. Here in NH the Enviormental Police are said to have more powers than our state police & are hell on offenders, so I've been told. Got a warning once for getting 1 foot wet as I hauled up my canoe from a reservior. We still do get idiots shooting in the direction of houses & barns, once killing a women hanging out her laundry, maybe 20 yrs ago, we always posted & had at least 1 dog. I'd say 3 or more dogs are well worth their upkeep if they keep hunters out the same ways they can heard. Three dogs shouldn't be to bad on a farm, we had 16 cat's but they cleared the area of rodents not people. The 1 dog did keep out not wanted salepeople, bible thumpers & I believe had an effect on hunters or maybe that was the bull? You could always aim in their direction, not to close but close enough to take out their rifle.,,,,, while their ready to shoot it. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: gnu Date: 23 Nov 05 - 08:43 PM If ya can't talk to em, print out no hunting notices on yer puter and scotch tape it to their windshields and take their license numbers. As for all the "hunters are dickheads" posts... ah, no, dickheads are dickheads. Hunters are not. If you don't understand hunting, it cannot be explained to you. Leave the hunters alone and go enjoy your BBQ... or roast turkey... or lobster boil... or trout fry... or leather shoes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 23 Nov 05 - 09:18 PM Don't put a bull on your puny 30...they are worse than dogs for shit...and the smell will roll into your home since it is so close and after the bull is shot it won't be worth a shit.
"ENVIRONMENTAL POLICE????" only in N.H. (John Irving did a grand job on that slice of "Hotel" real-estate.)
Sincerely,
Your hunting season seems VERY late...IF you have out-of-season POACHERS, then the law is aggressively on your side... and they WILL prosecute to the fullest...."trespassers" you may as well complain about dog-feces. We "bagged" an antelope in August and a friend snagged his elk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 23 Nov 05 - 09:28 PM I sincerely suggest, you search your local area for "game butchers" that will processe your meat.
Because it is posted, the carcass of the dead beast belongs to you. You might as well have delicously-good, dark-winter "eats."
Enjoy, be thankful for the bounty, invite friends in (do you have any friends since you are "isolated" on 30 acres??? In the Western U.S. even 3000 is not considered "spit in the spit-in-the-bucket.)
Sincerely,
Woman you have some SERIOUS "issues" about who you are, where you are, and what is your immediate role in the worls of humanity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bobert Date: 23 Nov 05 - 09:40 PM Okay, I weren't gonna tell you about this one, Michelle, but, hey.... Bout 30 years ago I was visitin' a college buddy at his farm in King George County, Va... He had put up lots of "posted" yeller signs with small print threatenin' all kinds of bad spells, prosceution, etc.... Well, one evenin' he looked over 'cross his corn field and there was truck and couple hunters gettin' their gear together... Well, first, let me tell ya that my bud grew up in the country an' didn't take no crap off nobody... ...so he calmly went to his gun closet, grabbed his 12 guage shotgun, loaded it with bird shot, elevated it so that if fired the birdshot would fall purdy much harmlessly to the ground and.... ....FIRED! 'Bout 10 seconds later them boys was on there way somewhere else... Now you say that the cops won't come, the game warden won't come and you got posters up and you can't talk with these rednecks???? Think it's time fir a little 12 guage with number 8 shot.... But be prepared with some 6 if that don't work... Just use the minimum force needed to protect yerself... .... and don't MAKE me come out there an' deal with these rednecks... Rednecks is my specialty... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Auggie Date: 23 Nov 05 - 09:48 PM My only advice after surviving 15 years of opening days while living on the edge of a state forest, is to post your No Hunting signs so that the line of fire through them doesn't intersect with your house or barns. I had to buy nearly a dozen new signs every year after our local "sportsmen" used them for target practice, and I always liked it better when the errant shots hit the adjacent woodlot rather than my garage or outbuildings. I had perhaps a dozen encounters in those years with unwanted hunters on my posted property. I am not a physically imposing specimen (well maybe to third graders) but found nearly every one of them would leave when asked/told, especially after noting that small children lived there. To those who wouldn't, I just pointed out that they could stand and argue with me all they wanted, but that when I had left the house my wife had recorded their hunting license numbers and had called the county sheriff (which was always total BS), so they had better hope their argument would be shorter than the sheriff dept. response time. Eventually we got a reputation as the House where the Bleeping Mother-Bleepers lived, and they chose to hunt elsewhere. Short of continual confrontation, which has it's obvious risks, the bow-hunter idea is your best option. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 26 Nov 05 - 11:07 PM Well, hunting season starts on Monday and the hunters have arrived. My husband had to get ugly with some of them last night all ready. As for my puny 30 acres...who ever said it was a HUGE amount of land, Hmmm? Gargoyle, it's obvious you are trying to get a rise out of me but little man, you are going to have to do much better. I simply want for my family and home to be safe. DUH. I talked to an ex-state trooper tonight who told me there is nothing I can do short of taking photos and getting license plate numbers. They don't know the game laws and frankly, there aren't enough police to come check out such calls and chasing morons up the hills. The bow hunter idea really doesn't make any sense. The guys with the bows will not be out hunting while others are out with guns. I like the birg bombs idea, though. :) I picked up more signs today....we shall see. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Gurney Date: 27 Nov 05 - 01:20 AM I live in a country with a lot of deer and plenty of hunters. The helicopter deer recovery guys say they often see hunters 'aiming' at them. They hope that they are actually using their telesights to see if there is anyone they know in the chopper. Shouldn't be surprised if idiots look at females the same way. However, last year a farmer was killed 12 yards from his house with a hunting round. Still no clue to the killer. Just to reinforce the need to wear a Hi-Viz vest. Mind you, we also had a hunter killed by his mate, whilst wearing an orange vest and blue jeans! Do you have bird-scarer fireworks that you hang in a tree and they sound like a shotgun at intervals? They use them here in fruit orchards. Deer don't like them. Perhaps also a second line of signs or tapes inside the first? Plastic tapes, even specifically printed, are not too expensive, compared with medical treatment. Long lenses for 35mm film cameras, and the cameras themselves, are very cheap now, secondhand. Outdoor speakers on LONG wires, with a multi-CD player? Wishing you sensible hunters, and merry Christmas. |
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Subject: what should i do? From: GUEST,? Date: 27 Nov 05 - 01:49 AM Well there is a piece of land behind my house , and i have asked my naibors whos it is ,and they all said the owner was dead. there are no posted sighns. what should i do? Lampasses, Texas |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 27 Nov 05 - 08:49 AM Guest, You can find out who owns the land belongs to by visiting your local tax office with the description of the location of the land. They can look up all that kind of thing. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 27 Nov 05 - 11:45 AM If i am to be found on the land just exploring and not hunting. can a person still press charges on me? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Allan C. Date: 27 Nov 05 - 12:07 PM Guest, In a state in which "he needed killin'" is a viable defense, I would imagine that trespassing under any circumstances could turn out to be a very negative experience. Following LilyFestre's recommendation would be your best move before tramping about on someone's land, whatever your purpose. Think about it. Would you want someone wandering around on your property without your knowledge? I won't even go into the insurance issues. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 27 Nov 05 - 01:52 PM Guest, If the signs say NO TRESPASSING, you bet charges can be filed. You know, the best thing to do is just ask the owner. Personally, if folks would ask and we could show them where was safe to shoot, I'd be fine with it. The same goes for exploring...ask permission first. An update for us: Some fencing was put up, more signs are up, DH is staying home tomorrow and all cameras are ready to go. We'll probably get some hunters this year but this year we'll press charges. Also, for next year, because there are so few of us on this hilltop, especially on our road, we are going to talk to the other owners and it is highly likely that both ends of this road will have large signs saying POSTED! HUNTING PERMITTED WITH WRITTEN PERMISSION OF LAND OWNERS ONLY. We are sure that both neighbors will be agreeable, it's just a matter of a few phone calls. Also, we have seen notices in the local papers about NO HUNTING ON ANY PROPERTIES OWNED BY JOHN DOE. We will do the same, except with all neighbors names and the name of the road and township. DH found a newly erected tree stand about 15 feet from our line at the bottom of the hill....only way they CAN shoot and see anything is into our field...we left 4 signs there and some new fencing. The same folks (we watched them yesterday) were running their ATV's through our field....new fencing there, logs now in the way and signs posted there as well. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 27 Nov 05 - 02:16 PM Look Ms. Walker
Calm down - wear bright orange and take a stroll - take deep breaths.
Did Carl and Barbara fail to mention that the property has been hunted for nearly 150 years?
The noise from the local Jr. High filtering through the follage should put you more on edge. You are NOT in the boondocks and the hospitol is a comforting brief walk away.
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 27 Nov 05 - 02:22 PM I must agree with GUEST - calm down!
You are the new-comer, you have been there barely half-a-year.
This is no way to make friends and influence people. Continue this attitude and you will allienate even your neighbors. Gingerbread and cocoa are better at mending-walls, than the angry scorn of a depressed woman.
Gargoyle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Nov 05 - 03:02 PM LF-- logs! Brilliant! Logs with signs affixed? "Smile, you're on Trespasser's Camera!" ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Deckman Date: 27 Nov 05 - 03:11 PM Have you thought about a battery powered megaphone. I think you can get one for under $50? When the hunters start for the woods, go out the house door, aim the megaphone (they carry a very long distance) and say: "You are tresspassing. We have called the authorities." Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Nov 05 - 03:12 PM One more-- LOL-- DH have a router? Gosh, here's a cottage industry-- I'll take two myself: Make up signs for driveways, "Marshall Family Rottweilers" (or Dobermans or whatever), with "Beware of Dog" in cute script beneath. Then aim a loudspeaker out the best window and run a tape all day of intermitten dog barking/growling/human screaming. Next time you post the perimeter, add a few Beware of Dog posters, too. Hm. ;~) Your problem is that you have Buck Day confused with Buck Day~~ when it is much better observed as a scary Halloween! :~) ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 27 Nov 05 - 06:32 PM Bow Hunters are silent. This can scare the gun boys... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 28 Nov 05 - 12:25 AM Foolestroupe, again...the boys with the boys aren't in the fields when the boys with the guns are.... No to the megaphone but I do have a microphone and 3 pretty powerful amps...a nice shrill run on the violin followed by YOU ARE ON POSTED PROPERTY AND I HAVE A CAMERA would be a good start, eh? LOL We shall see....perhaps they will have gotten the message already and look elsewhere. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 28 Nov 05 - 08:21 AM "the boys with the boys aren't in the fields when the boys with the guns are...." ooooooooooooooooooooo, may you meant "the boys with the bows aren't in the fields when the boys with the guns are...." ooooooo, no, I'll leave that one alone... I'll start again... ahem! "the boys with the boys aren't in the fields when the boys with the guns are...." maybe not, but the whole point is to let THINK that they are... Signs "Bowhunters use this property"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 28 Nov 05 - 09:33 AM Yeah, you are right, boys with bows, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Nov 05 - 09:40 AM Foolestroupe-- The BOW hunting and GUN hunting seasons are TWO DIFFERENT SEASONS. (Yes I am shouting as you can't seem to hear clearly.) The hunters KNOW THIS. Bow hunting season is OVER. Your idea would simply advertise that there is good hunting on that land-- it would amount to an endorsemnt from the bowhunters and a reassurance that when the gunboys show up, they won't be bothered by pesky bowhunters! LF is NOT exaggerating or being a baby-- it really is just as she describes, here in our rural county. The flood of flatlanders began over the weekend. They take over the town. They drive among our gentle old folk like they were in a city road-rage fight. Many of them are so rude to locals that we won't want to dine out, go to our local health club pool (it's in a motel full of hunters), etc., for the duration-- been through it long enough to know that the redneck jokes people like Mudcatters make are the stereotype these yutzes bring with them. Bobert-- It's open season on US. There will be rapes while they are here-- they left the Missus at home in Philly to come up here for a "good time with the boys." The lodging is cheap, the county economy needs their tourist bucks, and every church will have some sort of food event to suck in as much as they can. We'll all put on our best "Country Hospitality" faces. They won't see that our teeth are gritted. Hunting season, here, is the local equivalent of the Christmas shopping season that retailers count on. It's part of what lets us all live here in this wild beauty. WE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT. The first blast on the hill behind my house just went off. No one asked permission to go up there. It's a group-- I can tell from the shooting cadence. Tonight they'll be pinching hardworking waitresses who will grit their teeth and smile as they pour coffeee, so their kids can eat all winter. She won't go home with one of them, but a local teenager might because she'd like some dress money for the winter dances. Or a Downs Syndrome girl may be fondled in the pool-- seen it happen. Seen the 16-year-old lifeguard not know how to handle it because it's "Be nice to flatlanders" season" and the manager says "They're only a little drunk" and "She thinks it's a game" and "Boys will be boys." DO YOU GET IT NOW? It's not just the land they trespass upon. "Bow" hunters won't be here to help with any of it. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapparee Date: 28 Nov 05 - 09:50 AM Look: your land does NOT have to have signs for trespass to occur -- the signs simply make the fact that unauthorized access is prohibited more noticable and help to define the boundaries of your land. And to say "Trepassing Hunters" in this title is actually discriminatory. Would you permit a birdwatcher to use your land without permission? A hiker? A mountain biker? A dirt biker? For ANYONE, under normal circumstances, to be on your land without permission is trespass. You can even say, "You may cross" to one and "You may not cross" to another. May I humbly suggest that you are trying to prevent the slobs, the boors, the drunken louts, from abusing your land? True hunters are none of these. Frankly, I'd insist that the cops -- fish & game, state, sheriff, or whoever -- do their job, and get like-minded neighbors to insist along with you. I doubt that the crime load is all that great.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: MMario Date: 28 Nov 05 - 09:55 AM rap - true hunters also normally get permission before hunting someone elses property - at least they do in every area I've lived in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Nov 05 - 10:27 AM This is not a thread about "True Hunters." The fact that YOU would never do such thingss doesn't mean that we, up here, aren't living on Watership Down. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 28 Nov 05 - 02:00 PM Susan, WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!! And yes, I AM DELIBERATELY AIMING TO KEEP MEN WITH GUNS/HUJNTERS off my land. None of the others in the list you gave SHOOT AT MY FAMILY, HOUSE OR ANIMALS. Insist away Rap...good luck with it. In fact, c'mon over to my house and use my phone. I talked to a friend who used to be a state police officer and he very clearly said that the police will NOT come as this type of thing has to do with game laws so it falls in the hands of game warden/s Being that we are either the 2nd or 3rd largest county in the state with fewer than 3 game wardens (I actually believe we only have 1), good luck with that. I was out to check all signs and entries this morning, so far, so good. I can see guys in the corner of our field where they put the tree stand up....so far, no shots have been fired. The men are out driving the deer just up the road from me (about 1/2 mile) on the other side of the street. About 9 of them walking in a line scaring the deer in one direction while someone with a gun sits and wait for them to come running through in a panic. Yeah, there's a real sport for you. And Susan is more than right about the men and their sexual habits while they are here. When I was a teenager, my friend and I were walking home from a school dance and we were approached by 6 men who wanted us to come to their room (pretty persistent about it too) so they could "take our pictures." Sound like "true hunters" to you? The good thing about today is that it is almost 55 degrees, rainy and a fierce wind is blowing...deer don't move much in that kind of weather. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Nov 05 - 02:10 PM Oh yes! The rain--! I absolutely cracked up last night when I realized these big "toughies" would be sliding their Eddie Bauers through the mud all week! I think I'll express my appreciation for this (and for the hunter-bucks these yayhoos bring into the local pockets), by overtipping our waitresses all week! By next year's Buck Day I'll have a brochure the locals can helpfully hand out to our dear guests: "How to Get Permission to Hunt on Our Land." Rap, we LIKE the "True Hunters." My policy for this year shall be to tax each polite hunter who knocks on my door, a quarter-carcass for the privilege! (Our landlord takes a whole doe from each group he OKs!) I'll take hearts, livers, and kidneys, too-- flatlanders seldom appreciate that bonus they can get from field-dresing, and those parts are sweet when fresh and soaked in cold, salty water. Smirk-smirk, ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Sorcha Date: 28 Nov 05 - 02:11 PM Oh, I get it all right. Seen some of it myself. I just don't have many helpful suggestions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Nov 05 - 02:23 PM About that road rage, fresh from our local paper-- THIS is what the cops are busy responding to, and rightly: Road rage: could this happen to you? by Gayle Morrow "I did a couple of things wrong," acknowledged Emma Netterman. "I didn't have my doors locked, and I almost always do. I don't want to have to tell people to do that, but -" It was the afternoon of Nov. 6 and Netterman was driving south on Route 287 through Morris. She was on her way to pick up her daughter, who lives in Lycoming County. The two were going to Berwick for a viewing. "I left the house mainly with the idea that I was going to a viewing in Berwick," said Netterman, who lives between Wellsboro and Mansfield. "It was the middle of a Sunday afternoon, and who would think you'd end up encountering something like this." As she rounded the last bend leaving Morris, she observed a man in a van at the Back Street intersection stopped there, apparently waiting for her to go by. He pulled out behind her, and was tailgating her as they were going up the hill. She said her car is small and doesn't have a lot of power, so she thought she would pull over when she could and let him by, as he seemed to be in a hurry. She pulled onto the shoulder at the top of the hill and decided to take advantage of the stop to call her daughter. "I did have my cell phone with me - I've been trying to train myself to take it with me everywhere," Netterman commented. As her daughter answered the phone, the man in the van pulled in front of her rather than driving by. "Thinking he was stopping to ask if I needed help, I rolled the window down," she said. He didn't come to her window, but stood in front of her vehicle yelling. "He was giving his opinion of my mentality," Netterman related. "He did not approach my vehicle at this time." He did get back in his van and drive away; she thought then that she ought to get his plate number and, a little further down the road, she was able to do that. She couldn't get a cell phone signal to call 9-1-1, however. The man then "locked his brakes, threw the van into reverse," and tried to back into her vehicle "while I sat in total amazement." "My worry then was that he'd be jumping out of the van," she said. He did not, and as he continued down the road, she said she "realized this was someone I didn't want to meet." She observed him turning right onto a road by the Idlewood Inn, and said she felt relieved, thinking he was "just going home." Near the Inn 287, she got a cell phone signal and pulled in the parking lot there to call 9-1-1. "I got a dispatcher right away. I told her the location and reason for the call, gave her the plate number, described the van, and gave her the sequence of events." As the dispatcher was determining whether it was a Tioga or a Lycoming incident, Netterman saw a van pull into the parking lot. It was different color than the one that had followed her, but she could see it was the same driver. The man saw her at about the same time. He "sprinted" to her car "even before I could tell the dispatcher he was coming," opened the door, got in and started yelling. She said she tried to remain calm and told the man to "just get away from me." "He looked at me sort of amazed, then withdrew and slammed the door and went quickly into the bar. At that point I was quickly locking car doors." The dispatcher asked if she would stay on scene until state police responded. A few minutes later, while she was still on the phone with the dispatcher, the man came out of the bar, got into the van, and drove it up behind her. Netterman could see that he was putting the bumper up against her car, "and at that point I did scream." As the man attempted to ram her car into a drainage ditch, she was able to cut the wheels and avoid a sign as well as the roadway. "The dispatcher asked if I needed an ambulance. I said no, but I really need someone to help me." Her daughter and son-in-law showed up soon after and stayed with her until the state police arrived on the scene. They, in turn, went to the perpetrator's residence, but he had already left. Netterman said the experience taught her that some people are very easily provoked and "you shouldn't deal with them lightly." "When he turned off the main road, I assumed I was out of danger. I'm sure he was surprised to find me in the parking lot. I basically ruined his day. "People should still have the courage to report this," she continued. "Your wife, your daughter, your granddaughter could have this happen. This has definitely motivated me to consider my own safety 24 hours a day, and I have taken measures to prepare myself for most encounters. "You definitely want to call for help as soon as possible if you suspect somebody, and always get the plate number of a person who is committing some form of road rage against you. You owe it to your family, friends and neighbors to report this. If there is a record of a pattern (of behavior) it would help a judge make a decision for corrective action. "I commend the state police for arriving as quickly as possible and doing what they could to apprehend him. It doesn't have to happen at night, in the middle of a city street or in a dark alley. You might not be ready for what's out there, and you need to realize everyday that you need to take measures to protect yourself. "It kind of takes the fun out of life." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Midchuck Date: 28 Nov 05 - 02:53 PM I've seen the kinds of behavior discussed on this thread, close up, believe me. But even so: If anyone were to judge an entire racial or ethnic group based on the behavior of its worst-behaved members, this entire list would scream and faint from outraged political correctness. But it's ok to do it with a group affiliated by a common hobby. I fail to see the logic in that. Peter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 28 Nov 05 - 03:12 PM Peter, How would you like it if I came to your yard on any given day during the next two weeks and shoot at anything that moves? That could be a cat in the window, you trying to get your mail...whatever? And then, how about I drive all over your yard, in the mud, have a little fun with the four wheel drive and leave cans and litter all over? And hey, while I'm at it, why don't I bring some of my rowdy friends. A few of them can harrass your wife at work and hit on your daughter, maybe put our hands on her? Still going to welcome me back next year? Same time? Same bat channel? DUH. Now if I came to your house, parked in the driveway or along the street and knocked on the door, introduced myself and asked permission to hunt in an area that you have given the okay for, cleaned up all my trash, treated your family with respect...I imagine you'd have an entirely different reaction. Yes? Only ONCE in 7 years has someone had enough sense to come, knock on the door, identify themselves and ask if he could hunt on our land. After being shown where the animals were and a promise to not shoot in the direction of the animals or house, he was gladly permitted to hunt. Go figure. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 28 Nov 05 - 03:17 PM In regards to your hobby comment, yes....we do discriminate based on the majority of behaviors witnessed in this area. Fishermen are not permitted to fish on our land either. Why? They leave trash everywhere. If folks were adult enough to pick up after themselves, we'd be more than willing to share the water. My husband and I are do not object to outdoor sports, including trapping, hunting, fishing, bow hunting, muzzleloading, target shooting...any of it. In fact, we own a small fly fishing shop. What we do have difficulty with is irresponsible behavior on the part of many who endanger others and leave their trash behind, ruining natural environments. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 28 Nov 05 - 03:30 PM I read my post to my husband and this is what he had to say: "HELL YEAH! It's not ALL hunters, just the ones from New Jersey..they are a giant pain in the ass! Hallelujah!" LMAO! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Nov 05 - 03:34 PM Peter, an entire group has NOT been maligned. An adjective has been used to describe the subgroup of bad guys-- hunters who trepass. Not hunters. Trespassing hunters. And not trespassers in general, actually-- birdwatchers tend not to act like idiots, tho they may wander over a property line into someone else's land without knowing it. Trespassing HUNTERS. If people want to renew the old battle over hunting, and are looking for any excuse to renew it-- go for it, but it's not fair to blame anyone posting in this thread so far, for renewing the fight. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: gnu Date: 28 Nov 05 - 03:39 PM Ah, er, gee, maybe the REAL hunters are actually hunting where they should be hunting and all youse what got problems are getting assholes? Rap is right. Hunters are not what they are being made out to be in this thread. There is a big difference between hunters and assholes. Please note the difference. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: MMario Date: 28 Nov 05 - 03:41 PM guys. There are hunters. there are "Trespassing Hunters" - usually not an intersecting set. This thread is about the later. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Nov 05 - 04:32 PM ... all youse what got problems are getting assholes? gnu, are you under the bizarre impression that we don't know this? What some of you nice folks don't seem to get is that because of the kind of terrain and low population density we have here, that's the group that tends to arrive. In droves. But I think we can learn from your confusion-- LilyFestre, maybe the group we need to mobilize isn;t the game commission, but our good local men who know how to act. Maybe we need to ask THEM to visit our places on Buck Day-- a day they otherwise tend to eschew in favor of not having to deal with the yayhoos. Now, a friend of mine loved the hunting season, AND the yayhoos. She said that all during high school, when her granny would rent her lodge and dining table to flatlander hunters all during the season, she'd open up her bedroom window at dawn and sight in. The yayhoos had no class as hunters and, without intending to, would drive the deer right past her window on their way to deep cover. She'd have a field-dressed buck hanging up to drain before her morning shower, and go off to school for the day! At night, she'd cheerfully help Granny serve the homemade pies... and hear the yayhoos moan about the Big One That Got Away... that she'd already butchered and stowed in the freezer, after school, while they were out at the Tavern. I like to think she served them a slice of old Buck, too. :~) I have rooms to let, too, if any of you fine Real Hunters would like to come pay a call and help pore lil ole me and Lily fend off them bad ole mean ole yayhoos. :~) ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Nov 05 - 04:53 PM PS, I'll write the press release myself. Here's an early draft. ~S~ ================================================= NRA Members to Receive No-Sex Penalty for Buck Day Apathy County women are mad, and they say they're not taking it any more. Thighs were heard snapping shut from one area hill to the next as word spread that Real Women want their Real Hunters to "Get Real" with the yayhoos who arrive by the truckload to sample local tail of all sorts, and not just the whitetail sort. "After years of butchering, storing, and cooking venison-- not to mention years of smelling Hoppy's #9 all over my living room-- this year I expect my husband to DO something about the hunters who trespass on our land each year on Buck Day," said Connie Cootiesniffer. Her neighbor Emma agrees. "It's a county legal holiday, so my man's already at home from work on that day. No more sleeping in all snuggled warm and cozy with the wife-- at least not THIS wife," she said. "I'm sick of digging the shells out of the outhouse wall," said another woman, whjo asked to remain anonymous. "Last year I had to dig one out of my husband's behind, but do you think he'd do anything about it?" This reporter was impressed with the collective Pussy Power present, as the rally cry was raised in the church basement where the group secretly meets. "No More Nookie! No More Nookie!" Etc. Film at 11. :~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: jeffp Date: 28 Nov 05 - 04:56 PM I am a man But I can change If I have too I guess |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 28 Nov 05 - 05:25 PM The local guys do get together to hunt...on land that they have PERMISSION to hunt on and where they KNOW the yahoos won't be hunting. What kills me is that within sight of all this posted land (I noticed MANY more posted fields on my way to town today), are hundreds of acres of state game lands. Why don't they go there? Why?? And yeah....this thread is about those hunters who are trespassing....I'm not interested in debating who thinks hunting is right or wrong, just how to get rid of those who are trespassing or keeping out those who aren't safety conscious or respectful. And WYS...it's DARK!!! One day down....the shooting finally stopped about 30 minutes ago! I also noticed a life flight going over in the direction of your town and then headed back my way about 20 minutes later....here's to hoping that someone didn't get shot. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Nov 05 - 06:18 PM Michelle, I finally figured it out. To stop it on your land, ask Pete (or any friend) to park a pickup just off the road at the prime walking-in/out spot. The yayhoos will think it's one of their own, already set up, and they'll go somewhere else. jeffp, you don't need to change-- unless you're a yayhoo, and I don't care if they ever change anyway. I just want them to go away. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 28 Nov 05 - 06:23 PM Deer are so plentiful around here that all my neighbors just shoot 'em from their own front porches. No need for anyone to trespass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: gnu Date: 28 Nov 05 - 06:47 PM "... all youse what got problems are getting assholes?".... "... gnu, are you under the bizarre impression that we don't know this?" Noooo. I just was trying to make it clear to the assholes. After all, they are assholes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Nov 05 - 06:49 PM gnu, Oh, OK.... I get it. I've always maintained that there will always be more than enough assholes to go around. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Rapparee Date: 28 Nov 05 - 07:13 PM If they are trespassing, they are violating the law. Hence, they are criminals (albeit very minor ones, most likely) and should be treated as such. I personally don't consider criminals anything other than criminals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 28 Nov 05 - 09:32 PM Your hunting season seems very late....long ago, this season, bagged a prong-horn, and later nearly a 1K (rack was defective so it was not worth mounting) elk.
You need to recognize the hunters are performing a "service" to your wildlife community.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Barry Finn Date: 29 Nov 05 - 02:16 AM Get this. My wife is the ed director of a head start in Haverhill, Ma (USA) which runs 5 or 7 sites but the main site is where her office is. She had to have the teacher's & kids stay inside Wednesday because of opening day. They were shooting within close enough range to the kids play ground where they became a threat to anyone outside the classes. She had to call in the police, who it turns to be a 75 cents shy of a buck & a couple hours late in responding. "Ya, it's a bit crazy around here at first but it'll calm down within a few weeks". Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 29 Nov 05 - 07:31 AM Barry, That sounds pretty much like what goes on around here. I know of a few people who won't let their kids wait outside for the school bus because they are afraid of the hunters who are so anxious that they shoot without REALLY looking sometimes. I'm thinking that there won't be much shooting or too many people in the woods today as we are having LOTS of wind gusts...it's been going on all night with some horizontal rain mixed in. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: bobad Date: 29 Nov 05 - 08:08 AM Barry's story remind's me of an incident that occured when I first moved out here. Some hunters, frustrated, I suppose, at not seeing anything to shoot at in the woods, set up some cans on fence posts along the road in front of my property and were shooting at them into my property. I phoned the police and , of course, by the time they arrived those idiots were long gone. The first thing the cop says to me when I explained what was going on was " You're not from around here are you?" I have since then learned that the idiots in the bush with guns and the cops are one and the same. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Paco Rabanne Date: 29 Nov 05 - 08:54 AM 99 is the new 100! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 29 Nov 05 - 09:01 AM Perhaps there are good hunters..I've not met them. On my land they endanger my farm and domestic animals, shoot holes in windows,walls and rooves, leave garbage all over the place, churn up water holes and drinking areas on thier environmentally disastrous ATVs, hit male boxes with baseball bats and on and on and on. Me and my neighbours are afraid to complain because these nice little hobbiest have vowed to shoot our dogs if we call the police. This is not an unusual event in many rural areas and frankly I am tired of the bellyaching of this so called hobby group. Get a grown up hobby and leave the rest of us alone. Oh, I know, I just have a problem with a few bad apples. Not so...there are a lot of bad apples. It is time to ban this foolishness and give the rest of us rural dwellers some peace of mind every fall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: jeffp Date: 29 Nov 05 - 09:10 AM While they are in the woods, their trucks are unattended, nicht wahr? This thread will give some ideas for revenge. Not that I'm advocating anything of the sort, you understand. wink wink; nudge nudge |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 29 Nov 05 - 09:43 AM Too bad these hunters weren't smokers, then we could get serious and ban them from all public places........oops, but hunting is a hobby, isn't it ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 29 Nov 05 - 10:57 AM Sometimes I think "No Hunting" signs are just invitations. In the hunter's mind, "No Hunting" implies that nobody hunts the property and, therefore, game will be plentiful and worth the risk. A sign like "Private Hunting Preserve" is more effective because it communicates the idea that the property is hunted. It also implies that the game on the property "belongs" to the property owner and that that unauthorized hunting is poaching, not just trespassing. It also warns the trespasser that if he has a run-in with a landowner that landowner is apt to be armed and just might mistake a trespasser for a deer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: MMario Date: 29 Nov 05 - 11:18 AM Garg - you need to get out more - hunting season for a big portion of the country doesn't start until almost the end of November. despite all your attempts - not everyone does things the way you do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 29 Nov 05 - 10:04 PM Mario - I guess you are right....follow the sun south and the USA East and hunting begins later. The ideas of ownership, stewardship, size, and private meld also. Cross the ol' Muddy and 30 acres becomes piss-in-the-bucket....and a more "frontier mentality" views "ownership" more a matter of "longevity" than the spinster's song of "this is mine, you can't be have it, it belongs to me.
B-W-All...My very-first boss informed me that the clearest, cleanest, way to lead "wandering willy's" into an outhouse was to post it with a sign stating, KEEP OUT!...forbidden fruit is always sweetest.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Nov 05 - 10:12 PM You're right Garg!!! WET PAINT signs - people just HAVE to check, don't they... hey LilyFestre, we might be on to something here... as they say Garg, out of the mouth of babies and fools... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 29 Nov 05 - 10:23 PM Six, yes SIX deer crossed the end of my driveway as I was leaving this morning....I have to say that it did my heart good...do you think they know where they are safe? Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 29 Nov 05 - 11:41 PM Have not bagged my buck yet this year.
Yes, Michele I would have been just off your driveway, on the county road ready to snag one of the six.
Thanks to your insightful postings, the GPS will be posted to the "hunter-newsgroups," no most local hunters will probably never "trespass" again, but with such prime property as pasture for fat wildlife you will not see their little white buttucks ever again. Hunting is best, where the pasture is not over-grazed.
Sincerely,
The tighter you make your fist...the faster the grains of prosperity and abundance sift through. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Nov 05 - 11:49 PM Well, don't make yer fist too tight then Garg... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,lifestories1@netzero.com Date: 30 Nov 05 - 02:50 PM I have put radios in the woods. I also blast my car's radio. I don't know if that helps. I can't hear the gunshots and I hope they can't kill deer near my home. I have had hunters arrested. I have a restraining order. I have called police and the game warden several times. I now wake up at 6am for my daily ritual of turning on radios and car stereos...along with honking my horn. It's become routine now. Short of getting a hit man, I don't know what else you can do. KA |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 30 Nov 05 - 03:38 PM Hey Garg.... Go for it man. The deer are in MY driveway (not a public domain)...that means if you shoot one, I get some fresh venison and you will end up with a hefty fine and maybe even some jail time for shooting towards a residence. :) Nice try. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,lifestories1@netzero.com Date: 30 Nov 05 - 03:55 PM I have put radios in the woods. I also blast my car's radio. I don't know if that helps. I can't hear the gunshots and I hope they can't kill deer near my home. I have had hunters arrested. I have a restraining order. I have called police and the game warden several times. I now wake up at 6am for my daily ritual of turning on radios and car stereos...along with honking my horn. It's become routine now. Short of getting a hit man, I don't know what else you can do. KA |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:24 PM Michelle - acquaint yourself with a compass - 320 degrees are mine.
Sincerely,
May you have blessed winter and not suffer for red-meat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 01 Dec 05 - 01:15 AM Garg, No luck, buddy. They were crossing our driveway, from one side to the other. Besides, had you been sitting at the end of the driveway waiting for them, they would have seen you. This would only serve to drive them further back onto our property. You would have had to sit in the road too as our neighbor has his property equally posted. Nice try though. :) Michelle PS. I don't eat much red meat...wouldn't miss it much if I never had it again. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Willie-O Date: 01 Dec 05 - 10:20 AM Jeez, isn't there a law against road hunting where you are? (Which I gather is Pennsylvania.) I've spent far too much time reading this thread but it shows up some interesting differences between American and Canadian property law. Trespassing: in Ontario, in order for someone to be trespassing, either the land must be posted and/or fenced, or the owner or legal tenant of the property must have instructed them to leave, and been disobeyed. It's kind of a chilling thought that as an innocent hiker who has crossed no visible line, someone can jump you and arrest you without warning... Also the laws are quite specific about how far from a residence hunters must be. I believe it's 100 yards. Hunting from a vehicle, or from a public road, is strictly prohibited. (The conservation officers sometimes put up a dummy deer in a field near a road, then hide nearby until some doy-oi blasts it). Our comprehensive firearms laws are very specific about handling, storage and transportation of firearms, in or out of hunting season. Most gun owners hate that, but it has tended to make most of them commendably careful. Works for me. The cops are not shy to get involved in such matters--game wardens (conservation officers) are in extremely short supply, if firearms enforcement was entirely left to them, I bet we would be closer to your situation. I've been living in deer country...well, all my adult life. Had very little trouble in the 20 years in our current location. Guess the yahoos are strangely absent--well we don't get too many New Jerseyites hereabouts, cept my wife. Instead, most of our Merican visitors are from Pennsylvania. I guess they hunt at home. Never posted our streambanks against fishing...the trout have declined so much that it's not worth the trouble. You're right about the litter problem they (used to) bring with them though. It wasn't much compared to what we get on our 2000' of paved road frontage though. Beer fridges, you name it. One time somebody dumped a deer carcass, which they had already gutted, over the bank along the road. ???? Musta been wormy or something--anyway, THANKS YOU @#$%^&*(! ASSHOLE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 01 Dec 05 - 10:46 AM There are laws about how far from a residence you must be but it hasn't stopped folks in the past, at least not around here. As from shooting from the road, I think you have to be at least out of your car!!! The locals here have fun poking at the guys who park their big expensive trucks along side of the road and walk into the fields about 100 feet or so...you know, until they can find a log or hay bale to park their lazy behinds on....some go in a bit more...but there are plenty who don't...you can see them as you drive by! At the end of the day, they drive back to their camps that they spent some cash on and pay both property and school taxes on....you'd think they'd put a little more effort into the hunting. I'd say they were just out there enjoying nature, but they come during hunting season and hardly go into the woods! The last time my husband was in the woods hunting, three hunters (later found to be from New Jersey..big surprise) were walking through the woods yodeling. Yeah...deer respond to that in a big way, just not the way that any hunter would be hoping for! As for the litter....we belong to a fly fishing group and spend at least one Saturday a year picking trash up around streams in the area. A few years back our group had to hire a bull dozer to come in and get all the crap out....everything from bags of garbage to tires to old washing machines. It's downright disgraceful. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 01 Dec 05 - 11:25 PM NO PROBLEM Lily - shoot and drag accros the line... is the name for the game. one Saturday a year picking trash up (Therefore, you are a community matriach, and a contributor to the local evironment????? (less than .003%) Perhaps, your affinity for trash...is what draws this breed to you limited "oasis."
Given my druthers...within a square mile... (640 acres) your less than 1/20th....your 400 yard strip....continues to be "piss in the bucket." Your are making an entirely tripy experience out of 10 weeks of the year. Let GO GIRL!!!! You are creating enemies....not friends....(and the good Lord knows your hubby needs as many freinds as possible - even if you try to shake him off, like and unwanted flea. Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 02 Dec 05 - 09:11 AM Garg, All is quiet on this mountain, the flatlanders have gone home and now only the locals remain. I never said 30 acres was anything huge, but you know what? It's home to me and I really couldn't possibly care less what you have to say about it. As for picking up trash that one day a year, sometimes two....well DUH...I know it's not a lot, but it's more than most people do. Given that there are quite a few of us, we make a decent sized dent. Just an example of the stupidity that goes on here: Pennsylvania Deer Hunter Killed Last Update: 12/1/2005 9:46:14 AM Posted By: Leigh Kjekstad Investigators say a Sullivan County man was shot and killed while hunting with friends Wednesday morning. State game commission officers tell 18-news John Bomberger of Watsontown was hunting in Lincoln Falls Township. They say it appears Bomberger was a "stander," meaning his fellow hunters were walking toward him in an attempt to steer deer in his direction. As I said, all is quiet on this mountain, no need for me to go on about the trespassers anymore. Thankfully, folks are taking the hint. It seems that the surrounding neighbors have taken to posting their land too....only a few nearby gunshots this year. You obviously are aiming to shake my apple cart a bit with your *attempts* at personal comments, but frankly, since you are talking completely out of your ass, I'm having a good laugh at your expense. :) Toodles for now and if you hunt, mind your manners and stay safe! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 02 Dec 05 - 10:30 AM STOP FEEDING THE TROLL! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 02 Dec 05 - 11:25 AM I knew you were going to say that. :p I was just having some fun...besides...everyone has said all they are going to on this topic, including me! :) Michelle |
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Subject: Land From: GUEST,SHOULD I ???? Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:52 PM Hello i am 14 years old and i have noticed a large percenteg of land behind my house. I was woundering if i was to be cauhgt exploring on the land would i get a fine? I have researched the land and the people say the mans dead. thre are no sighnes or anything. what should i do ? Lampasas, Texas |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:58 PM Stay off the land, dickhead! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 02 Dec 05 - 08:24 PM hey calm done im just 14!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 02 Dec 05 - 08:52 PM Gee whiz! I could maybe get sympathetic with Marty! Try to talk straight with no bullshit and all the soft hearted whiners come out of the woodwork! OK, I won't try to steal Marty's act, if he doesn't try to steal mine... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 02 Dec 05 - 09:30 PM "None of the property is fenced"? First - good fences make good neighbours. However, the whole situation is doomed. Intelligent and reasonable precautions only work with intelligent and reasonable people. The only way to get rid of the idiots is to do idiotic things. You'll just have to move to somewhere civilised, like New York - and see if you feel safer there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 02 Dec 05 - 09:48 PM thre is a very old fence that is torn down and there is no look of the people replacing it if he is still alive "Guest" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,Call the police Date: 02 Dec 05 - 10:04 PM You should call the police. Do not say there is someone hunting on your land you call them and say this their is a man with a gun near my barn I am in fear of my life, they will come. Trust me they have to come. I promise when the first hunter get's arrested and he will be arrested for at the very least trespassing he will tell his buddies and the word will spread like wildfire. It could very well solve your problem. Also, an alternative, if they are parking on your land have their vehicle towed. Under your no trespassing signs place a sign that says all violators vehicle will be towed at the expensive of the owner. Find their vehicle talk with a local towing company find one who will be willing to tow them off your property you might have to sigh a wavier so they will be able to tow them but call them up have them come get there vehicle. Hit them where it hurts the most their pocket book they will get the hint and stop hunting on your land. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 05 Dec 05 - 04:37 PM I have some one hunnting on my land. This hunter set his tree stand up on our property once without our permission. The stand diapeared one night. In responce he called the cops and and said I stole his dear stand. The cops came out listened to the problem and took the guys dear stand back. Only his stand was cut to shredds. This season the same guy is hunting off my land agin this time the deer stand is on his property facing mine. He has to be hunnting off my land becaue he lives in a subdivision and the only safe shot is towards my land. I cant toch his stand becaues its his property on his property. I called the DNR and they did absolutly nothing!!!! How can I get this guy in some serious crap with the law??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: gnu Date: 05 Dec 05 - 04:47 PM Gosh... most jurisdictions have a provision wherein you can't discharge a firearm within a certain distance of a dwelling. Check it out. Again, I must voice my disdain for the posts which brand hunters as assholes. Not that my opinion matters. Obviously, those of you who are absolute vegans are much more civilized than I. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST Date: 05 Dec 05 - 05:08 PM Not all hunters are assholes, gnu. Just the assholes! :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 05 Dec 05 - 06:53 PM If the hunter in the deer stand shoots deer from his property while the deer are on your property, you get the deer. I know it's not an ideal answer, but maybe it would deter the guy. Also, if you are like me, you have a life and don't have the time or the inclination to police your property during every single daylight hour. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 10 Dec 05 - 10:10 AM Ahhhh...a lovely winter morning. The sky is gray, the fire in the woodstove is burning nicely, I have been sitting right here working on some music and watching the chickadees, nuthatches, cardinals and bluejays darting to and from the feeders, the kittens have been snuggling behind the woodstove and the dog at my feet....BAM. I knew it was too good to last. Hunters. Shooting TOWARDS my house. My husband and I threw on our boots and orange hats, grabbed a pen, paper and camera and drove up the road. There stood a middle aged man holding his gun and looking at us like a kid caught stealing cookies from a cookie jar. "Sir, you realize you are shooting in a safety zone." said my husband in a very calm voice. Blank look. "Sir, there are houses there, over there and over there." "I know." says the hunter. "Then why are you hunting here?" "I was shootin' over there" the hunter said while pointing in the direction of a neighbors house which is over a knoll and behind some trees. "Exactly, there is a house there. This is a safety zone. Where are the others?" "They're over there in that field (pointing to our field...the one clearly marked with NO TRESPASSING NO HUNTING). They're driving the deer." Okay..that pissed me off. So I said, "You can't hunt here. This is a safety zone. The field beyond here is posted. They can't hunt there. You will have to leave." "But they're over there (points)." "I don't care, you need to leave." My husband repeats himself one more time, "Sir, you are hunting in a safety zone. It is illegal to hunt here." Another blank look. We drive up the road just a bit, stop by his truck, write out a description, plate number and time. We drive to the top of the road, turn around and come park about 50 feet from where this man is trying to hunt (might I add that he is no more than 10 yards from the road which is also illegal). We sat and waited. After 5 minutes or so, the guy gets in his truck, drives up the road and picks up his 4 other buddies. They drive off. We wait and then drive up the road to make sure they kept going (elderly neighbor lady and 2 empty camps). We turned around and made a loop around "the block" where we found them again. The same lone fellow now in the bottom of a field. Eventually, if he keeps walking, he will not only be hunting on our land but again within the safety zone limits. The state police have been called. The game warden will be next...the second I see that guy in the bottom of our field...which, of course, IS POSTED. It never fails. As you know, people have hunting accidents. This year, a young man was shot by his father while driving deer. *shaking my head* So...perhaps now I can get back to looking up some tunes....and there goes another gun shot...swear to God. *sigh* Guess I'll be going back out and the music will have to wait. Michelle Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: wysiwyg Date: 10 Dec 05 - 10:33 AM Go get 'em, tiger. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Dec 05 - 06:25 PM You could always try the sign Be Warned If you shoot at our house, we may shoot back in self defence. It would make ME think, ah - but then I'm not an idiot... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 02 Dec 06 - 09:43 AM Well, it's that time of year again and the same group is back again this year. They were asked FIVE times this morning to leave our land which is posted. They ran faster. Ok. I got their plate numbers, called the police for the game commissioner phone number (no one had answered the number I called), explained the situation and an officer will be here shortly. YEAH! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 02 Dec 06 - 10:45 AM Complaint filed, arrest to be made (good ole' license plate numbers). The only thing that remains to be seen is if they plead guilty or whether we have to go to court to testify and identify. GOOD RIDDANCE! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: gnu Date: 02 Dec 06 - 11:12 AM Sigh... I hope the idiots lose their guns and licences. Too bad you couldn't have gotten some pics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: jeffp Date: 02 Dec 06 - 12:45 PM It would be nice if their vehicle was to get towed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 02 Dec 06 - 12:47 PM Ah yes....well, the idiots came back and AGAIN were on our land. This time I took the digital camera, drove up the road, drove back down, hopped out of the car to take a picture (which I did get) and was approached by a hunter who said, "HEY LADY, WE AREN'T ON YOUR LAND." I told him I hadn't spoken to him and wasn't interested in what he had to say. He continued on. He told me I had 2 choices. Move my vehicle or (sarcastic tone here) if a deer MIGHT happen to run across the road and they just HAPPENED to shoot at it and a bullet hit me...OH WELL. I started video-tapping and got most of it (him saying all that BS) as well as his hunting license number. The police have been called back. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Barry Finn Date: 02 Dec 06 - 02:23 PM Michelle & Susan, you are both just to kind. Become an concerned citizen & make a citizens arrest, become an aux inforcement officer. Find out if they park on your land, can you clamp/boot their car/truck & can you charge them for it's return. On reservation land where they have their own law enforcement the local game warden conficates every thing, vechiel, fishing poles or firearms, whatever's in the vechiel & whatever's on their person. Post that "TRESPASSERS HUNTING WILL BE SHOT". Doesn't matter if it's true or not. If some one's parked & waiting, like Garg, let the dogs out & cover their ass with your own weapon, I know that's a bit extreme but shoting assholes is fair play. If they do manage to bag a buck take pictures of them, the game, their vechiel & the posted signs, then take the game too. If they're stupid enough to hunt on posted land or if they're so stupid they can't read then they're stupid enough to fall into your hands & will have to deliver up to you & the law what's demanded of them. After the embrassment of their actions are known it's likely that you'll be left alone soon enough. A few more dogs wouldn't be hurt either, trained dogs, pointers & retrievers. Big time law suit for a hunter shooting one of those. Good luck this hunting season, you can probably bag at least one hunter each season, it's your turn now. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: jeffp Date: 02 Dec 06 - 02:59 PM You have enough to go to the court commissioner and make a criminal complaint. The district attorney's office will have to investigate and either file charges or explain why they don't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: gnu Date: 02 Dec 06 - 04:04 PM GOOD STUFF! I hope they put the bastards behind bars for assault. Threateninig you IS assault! And, the death threat is, as jeffp said, CRIMINAL! Of course... nobody would like to see the assholes go to jail... they would be of much better use cleaning up the side of a highway, or monitoring tresspassers or sommat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Becca72 Date: 04 Dec 06 - 08:30 AM Anything new happening with this?? I'm dying to know how it all turned out! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: LilyFestre Date: 04 Dec 06 - 08:13 PM Just waiting on court dates...it all depends how the guys plead out. All has been quiet since mid-Saturday afternoon. I will say that the second man who tried to scare me off had been hunting with some neighbors of ours. My husband had a fit when he heard what the guy said to me and we went out AGAIN in our truck. We found the guys hunting in the nearby field and waited as they loaded their deer into the truck. My husband drove around the "block" (HA HA HA...think miles here) and I thought he was going to just talk to the guys but he damn near rear-ended them and their truck as he drove up behind their parked vehicle at a high speed and stopped very abruptly just inches from the tailgate (not that I condone this but he was MAD and being protective of me...and wanting them to know he meant business...he's a ..very quiet man, built like a freight train...always cool and collected except for an occassion such as this...he would not have harmed any of them...that was NOT his intent at all). The coward who ran off after he figured out I had him on video tape wasn't there. My neighbor was there and the men hashed things out....the guy with the gun will have to deal with the law and the gang of guys who no longer want to hunt with him because of his behavior. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: jeffp Date: 04 Dec 06 - 09:43 PM Sounds like some positive developments. Thanks for the update. Please keep us posted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Wolfgang Date: 05 Dec 06 - 10:45 AM Five hunters killed in Greece Wolfgang (in the mood for helpful suggestions) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: GUEST,BIG BILLY IN TENNESSEE Date: 05 Dec 06 - 09:05 PM I myself have the same problems in Tennessee.Now wait I know people think we are all the same down here in Tennessee,but that is not the truth.I myself have a lease and we practice qdm. The local check out station has pictures of the deer we have killed off of our lease. With the pictures they asked where you kill the deer and what time. After we took a couple of 150 class deer off there we have had a increase of trespassers on our property.The last day of archery season of this year I lucked up and haverested a 142 class 8 point while I was at the local checkout station the gentlemen behind the counter asked if he could see the deer. With my head held high I said yes.As we stood there talking about the deer he asked where I had taken the deer.I said down the road a couple of miles. He then proceeded to tell me of a place he and his brother sometimes slip onto.As he begin descibing the place it suddenly dawned on me he describing my lease.After he finished his story and my blood pressure was reaching it's peak he asked do you know where I am talking about. I said yes I Do that is my lease and you are trespassing.With a surprised look on his face followed by a slite grind he had the nerve to say it is only trespassing if you catch us have a nice day. Oh and by the way that's a good deer buddy. No I did not drag him back out by the hair of his head, and no I did'nt wait for him to get off of work. Lord knows I wanted to but I believe he will get what he deserves.I reported him took the local game warden, but of course the gentlemen had to be caught in the act.What are landowners and law abiding hunters to do? God bless our local game wardens their hands are tied too. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Dec 06 - 11:11 PM Maybe he'll think twice about heading out onto your lease now that you've had a good look at him. His goose is cooked, so to speak. All of this has me itching to pull out some Faulkner. Go Down, Moses, for a start. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trespassing Hunters From: Skivee Date: 06 Dec 06 - 12:32 AM Set up some car alarms and set them to honking to scare off deer and dumbass trespassing hunters. Remote control so no confrontation occurs. Maybe better yet, a sound system and hidden outdoor speakers for you to shout at about 150 Db, "You Dumdass Trespassing hunters get the hell off my land." Keep it up till they and the deer are gone for the hunting season. The deer will return. I'm still a bit confused as to why these guys aren't under arrest for threatening you while armed and other crimes. P.S. It's easy for me to make these suggestions for the comfort of my home. Your situation might make these not-so-good ideas. |
