BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 10:47 PM

A word to the wise (guy)

Using ebonics to mock Obama could get you in trouble in a lot of places.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 07:46 AM

That occurred to me too, Jack. I'm going to have to get in touch with Larry the Cable Guy and figure a way out of this.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 02:00 AM

At the same time Bush made that announcement. Democratic leaders announced plans to crack down on speculators. Obama talked about releasing oil from the Petroleum reserve.
But somehow Mr. Cause and Effect here is sure its all about Bush finally doing something he was promising to do for seven years."

July 14, 2008
    Bush "has decided to lift the executive ban on oil exploration in America's Outer Continental Shelf," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told a news briefing. She said Bush would explain the move in a Rose Garden statement at 1:30 p.m..

July 15th
at a news conference, Bush repeated his new position, and slammed the Democratic Congress for not removing the congressional moratorium on the Outer Continental Shelf and elsewhere. Crude-oil futures for August delivery plunged $9.26, or 6.3 percent, almost immediately as Bush was speaking,

July 16, 2008
Oil tumbles again; prices fall over $10 in 2 days Oil prices have settled sharply lower for the second straight day, capping a dizzying drop that has left crude more than $10 cheaper in just two days of frenzied trading. The drop follows a $6.44 sell-off Tuesday, meaning prices have plummeted over $10 since Monday.

22 Jul 2008 ... WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Legislation meant to crack down on oil speculators passed a key test vote in the Senate on Tuesday. ...

August 5 2008
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has called for the US to dip into its strategic oil reserves to lower fuel prices in the short-term. Senator Obama's call, a reversal of his earlier stance, came as he unveiled an energy plan designed, he said, to reduce US dependence on foreign oil.

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"Democratic leaders announced plans to crack down on speculators."

Monday, July 14, 2008

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, back from the Fourth of July break last week, delivered a typical harangue on Republican obstructionism and Democratic virtue that included a promise: By week's end, he would show Republicans his proposal to deal with "this speculation thing" that he calls the root cause of $4-a-gallon gasoline. It would attempt "to end speculation on the oil markets."

By Friday, Republicans had seen nothing of Reid's plan because of internal Democratic disagreement on details.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 02:06 AM

June 22 2008

WASHINGTON — Sen. Barack Obama on Sunday said as president he would strengthen government oversight of energy traders he blames in large part for the skyrocketing price of oil.

The Democratic candidate's campaign singled out the so-called "Enron loophole" for allowing speculators to run up the cost of fuel by operating outside federal regulation. Oil closed near $135 a barrel on Friday — almost double the price a year ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 02:58 AM

Thank's, Mr. cause and effect, you made my case.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: MaineDog
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 08:15 AM

I wonder if either Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama has studied physics and can explain the relationship between one kilowatt-hour and one horsepower, or knows anything at all about the laws of thermodynamics.
MD

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Alice
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 10:14 AM

T. Boone Pickens was on the Glenn Beck show a couple nights ago, and he got irritated with Beck's sarcastic manner. Beck tends to interrupt people with goofy sarcastic comments. Pickens didn't stand for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Hawkwind
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 02:55 AM

Wow the speech was wonderful, really looks like this guy will be the next president of America. Yes the nation will come together and vote a coloured guy into high office and run America.

Ah, sorry. Neither a coloured guy or a lady were ever in the running for that job.

Why is Hilary Clinton adopting the old Richard Nixon stunt of pointing into the crowd and waving as if it's someone she knew ?

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 10:14 AM

Well, the speech WAS wonderful, yes. And your jaded (and bigoted) remarks are simply untrue . The lady WAS in the running and the "colored guy", as you so gracously put it, is very much in the running.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 07:08 PM

Obama could create jobs if: 1. He did what Roosevelt did, put poor people to work for the government on "green" and infrastructure jobs, 2. Cut the FICA payments down for wage earners,3. Get behind the unions because when union membership increases, wages go up and corporations do NOT suffer, 4. Restore Americorps which is our best ambassador
to the world, 5. Observe "cafe standards" in the auto industry, 6. Raise tariffs on foreign
goods to protect American jobs, 6. Streamline the process for the legalization of Mexican workers who work harder than most Americans, 7. Create tax incentives for those who seek job retraining in educational institutions, 8. Get government regulation over those corporations that exploit working people in the US, 9. Insist that the dividend collectors
who sit around on their butts pay their fair share of taxes, and 10. Restore the role of
the working man as America's true hero, not some military general or phony war hero.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 09:22 AM

"2. Cut the FICA payments down for wage earners,..."

             Obama really makes me nervous, but one of the really good ideas I think he has to to raise the limit on who pays FICA. I think that would do more good than cutting the rate paid by middle class workers.



   "6. Streamline the process for the legalization of Mexican..."

             And that's the major reason Obama makes me nervous. If you want to create work for Americans, why would you bring in more people to compete for American jobs.


                  I agree with your other points, though...

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Hawkwind
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 09:30 AM

Get a grip of yourself Amos and cut the racist comment shit. Christ can you not offer anything else only PC ?

Listen. Neither a woman or a black man will run America. Wise up.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 10:52 PM

What case Mama?

After 'Bama gave his speech that devastated the oil traders, oil climbed from $135 a barrel to $146 per barrel at the time that Bush announced the lifting of the federal ban where upon it dropped to $128 in 1 week.

If Obma's speech did anything, it raised the price of crude oil.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 04:50 AM

If it has Bush's speech only the effect would have been immediate. Do you think that some traders wait a week to read the news? The fact is that there were a whole range of possible causes to the drop in price. Not the least of which was declining demand for oil.

That was the case I had made. In plain English.
By mentioning other causes you made my case.

You really ought to either learn the basics of logical thinking or keep your half baked thoughts to your self.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 11:50 AM

"Have you seen Obama's energy speech!"


                      It lacked energy!

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: pdq
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 12:06 PM

I am not sure where the oil price mentioned comes from, but the current one (Friday, Aug. 22) is $114.59. That is down over $30 from the high which was just before the 4th of July. It would be nice to see it drop another $15 in value plus have about a 15% increase in the US dollar's exchange rate. We will never see $2 US gasoline again, but it shoud go slightly below the $3 level, perhaps $2.90 and stay. President McCain will have a federal tax reduction during the peak demand period of summer. That should help keep prices more stabile on a year-round basis. Our $2.90 will still look cheap compared to European prices of $8-10 (that is in US gallons/US dollars). I paid $3.94.9 on friday.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 12:22 PM

On Saturday I heard the price was over 120 bbl on bad news put of Georgia.

Thank goodness the pander bear McCain will not be president. Because dropping the federal gas tax would be nothing more than a give away to the oil companies.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 12:24 PM

Senator McCain will certainly support the Obama/Biden tax reform of 2009, I agree--but not as President. I like your numbers, though.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 10:35 PM

"Do you think that some traders wait a week to read the news? "

That is apparently what you are implyng if you think Obama's "crackdown" on oil traders caused the price of crude to drop while Bush removed the Federal Ban on offshore drilling.

In case you missed it Mama, the price began falling at the time Bush spoke and continued falling to $128 in 1 weeks time.

Crude-oil futures for August delivery plunged $9.26, or 6.3 percent, almost immediately as Bush was speaking,

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 11:19 PM

Stop trying to prove that you're and idiot.

One speech, a speech announcing something that Bush had been promising for eight years, didn't cause the price to drop steadily for a week. That is absurd. As I said before, demand was dropping at that time, in fact there were several other factors that could have caused the drop. Contributing the drop to Bush's words is just dumb.

Don't try to peddle your faith based economics to me. I'm not going to buy it.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 09:38 PM

Need new Glasses Mama? It is all here in print but I have to keep relating the facts to you over and over.

Demand had been dropping since the beginning of the year but the price of crude kept rising up until the time that Bush ended the Federal ban on offshore drilling.

I filled up for $3.39 today. Thanks George.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: pdq
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 10:06 PM

Nationally, US gasoline dropped 15¢ per gallon in the last two weeks. Predicted to fall 5-10¢ more next week due to low demand, high inventory and good news in general. Gas at $2.99 on Nov. 4th will mean a landslide victory for Republicans. Dems must now hope for real bad news elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 12:04 AM

I sincerely doubt whether gas prices can swing a significant number of songle-issue voters even when falsely presented.

Why did prices go so high in the first place that it was such a relief to have them come down a bit? Do you remember cursing at $2.50??? I do.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Barry Finn
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 03:35 AM

Typical Republican play, up the price of gas, with no belivable explanation, till it makes the American public sick then make like the Bushes are burning with a fuel price drop just as the election turns the corner. They can't drill their way out of this fabricated (see the profits) crisis but they sure can find a pipeline to the November elections. What bastards, they've play these same cards from the same deck before. Remember last elections when the same exact price play was delt from the bottom of the deck?

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sazaw
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:30 PM

God knows the Democrats in power in Congress have done everything they can do to lower the price of gas.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 06:27 PM

By the time the Dems are done, Sawz, the price of gas will be so low you will even be able to afford it on your burger flipping and valet-parking salaries. But you won't need to.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 07:41 PM

"Stop trying to prove that you're and idiot."



                         Why stop now?

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 07:55 PM

"Sawz, the price of gas will be so low you will even be able to afford it on your burger flipping and valet-parking salaries. But you won't need to"

Nice cut there Amos. I haven't seen this much debating talent since elementary school. Have you stumbled on an important advance in philosophy?