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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 02 May 10 - 10:39 PM Phillip J. Berg brought suit against soetoro/Obama on the citizenship issue and was denied due to "Lack of standing." You have to be an injured party to file suit. Berg is an American, a voter and a Democrat, yet the court said that a man who's possibly from Kenya serving as president in violation of the U.S. constitution does no damage to Berg. The courts have rejected dozens of cases with this excuse. Now there will be public airing of the facts. How DID a C student get into Columbia, anyway? 12 days and counting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 02 May 10 - 11:00 PM Michael, I am sorry, but you are simply full of melodramatic horse manure. Peace, dude. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 03 May 10 - 02:41 AM Well, Michael, if this great trial of Manning's actually comes off, in what court in which jurisdiction is it going to be held? In Manning's root-cellar? Considering that the world will be destroyed on December 21, 2012 when 1) the sun goes supernova,So—I really wouldn't sweat the small stuff. How do I know all this is going to happen!??? I read it on the internet. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 03 May 10 - 05:00 AM Do Americans have a screw loose? It looks like sour grapes from a republican who cant get over the fact that the voters told their party to piss off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 03 May 10 - 09:55 AM Looks like SPB-Cooperator finally summed it all up. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 03 May 10 - 11:24 AM That's about the size of it. Political discourse has deteriorated in this country. The Republican Party no longer has any concept of "loyal opposition" -- it has been replaced with "throwing my toys out of the pram." |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 03 May 10 - 03:00 PM You would really have to look long and hard to find someone more conservative than William F. Buckley. But Buckley was an intellectual with a philosophical bent, and although I rarely agreed with anything he said, he presented his arguments in a calm and reasoned manner and was willing to discuss his ideas quietly and reasonably. I can actually say that I did learn a few things from Buckley. But who are the spokespersons for the conservative position these days? Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sarah Palin. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 03 May 10 - 04:59 PM Partly, Don, I beleive this can be blamed on media desperation. Technology has given the media channels huge empty spaces to fill with news, when there is not that much news worth presenting; to make these long hours electrifying the media corporations have migrated away from informing and toward electrifying and dramatizing. Although this is shortsighted you can see how the competition and huge amount of program time needing filling have fueld the deterioration from "forum" to "circus". He who dramatizes best gets the eyeballs. Informed by melodrama instead of communication, American voters of less discrimination learn that dramatization is the nature of the citizen voice, and they go forth and act out like ten year olds in the public arena, mindless of any more disciplined kind of self-government. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 03 May 10 - 05:26 PM There are no conservatives left -- only neoconservatives, which are not the same thing at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 03 May 10 - 11:32 PM (Apr. 3, 2010) — While giving a speech on AIDS and health care to a delegation of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender (GLBT) Democrats, Michelle Obama described Kenya as Obama's "home country." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2486390/posts Obama the usurper. 11 days 'til trial time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Ebbie Date: 03 May 10 - 11:33 PM gasp! And Obama made the same remark at the Correspondents' dinner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Ebbie Date: 03 May 10 - 11:35 PM I might add that I was born in North Dakota but North Dakota ain't my "home country"- my home country is Oregon where I spent my early years. Do you get my point? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: LadyJean Date: 04 May 10 - 12:29 AM My dear mother was named Mary for her father's mother and Ann for her mother's mother. For most of her life she signed her name Marianne, because she didn't like being called Mary, and the French spelling looked more elegant. There was never any trouble over that name change, any more than there was trouble over my father's mother altering her name from Jane to Jean. (Both sides of my family name girls after their grandmothers. My sister avoided it simply because mom's mother was named Bessie Irene, and one of those was enough.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 04 May 10 - 01:13 AM I thought he was born in Indonesia? Hell, I think I need a new foil hat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 04 May 10 - 04:57 PM I believe that John F. Kennedy, when delivering a speech to the German people during the time of the Berlin blockade, said, "Ich bin ein Berliner." I do not think he intended it to be interpreted as "I am not an American citizen and, therefore, am not legally qualified to be President of the United States because I am actually German. I was born in the city of Berlin." That isn't quite what he said, nor is it what he meant. Nor, for that matter, was it a slip of the tongue. Some folks, with a predisposed and dearly held set of beliefs, in order to support those beliefs, will pounce on any insignificant little snippet like a rabid pit-bull on a pork chop. Delusional, really. What circumscribed and mean-spirited little lives they lead! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 04 May 10 - 05:25 PM I believe that John F. Kennedy, when delivering a speech to the German people during the time of the Berlin blockade, said, "Ich bin ein Berliner." I do not think he intended it to be interpreted as "I am not an American citizen and, therefore, am not legally qualified to be President of the United States because I am actually German. I was born in the city of Berlin." Of course he didn't mean that. What he meant was exactly what he said: "I am a jelly doughnut." Obviously, a jelly doughnut is not qualified to be President of the United States! Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 04 May 10 - 06:45 PM And all this time, I thought that was exactly what he meant! (sheesh!) Don Firth P. S. I wonder what icky Mickey will do with that!?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Bill D Date: 04 May 10 - 07:47 PM "Obviously, a jelly doughnut is not qualified to be President of the United States!" Why not? A turkey held the office from 2000-2008.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 04 May 10 - 08:17 PM I think, Michael that your count-down will lead to naught. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 04 May 10 - 10:51 PM You HOPE it leads to naught. The federal court system refuses to hear the Obama citizenship cases. The military cases--how can a man who hasn't proven his eligibility to be commander in chief deploy soldiers? Why deny a case like that? All the commander has to do is show his birth certificate. He's hiding something. Manning's trial can't hurt. Might even do some good. We'll see in 10 days now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 04 May 10 - 10:55 PM The whole issue, Michael, is a bundle of bullshit and hot air, and the REAL question is what motivates it. To my mind it is a focus of hatred and suspicion bordering on derangement. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 04 May 10 - 11:02 PM No. It's simply a constitutional issue. You have to abide by ALL the provisions of the constitution. If they can set this glaring precedent (have a non-citizen serve as president), then what's to stop the scrapping of the rest of the document? True, the constitution's been eroded, but we have to fight it every step of the way. I screamed when Panama McCain was on his way to the nomination, and that was before Obama came along. Has nothing to do with racism or any of that. You folks need to quit falling for that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 04 May 10 - 11:11 PM There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. -- Major General Smedley Butler USMC |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 04 May 10 - 11:48 PM Michael, you and a few other demented malcontents refuse to accept the more than adequate documentation proving that Obama was, indeed, born in Hawaii, nevertheless, it's there, whether you accept it or not. This "trial" that Manning intends to conduct that you put so much store by will mean nothing, and will have no more significance than a mouse-fart in a hurricane. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 05 May 10 - 12:00 AM I'm listening to an interview with Manning right now, live. http://www.renseradio.com/listenlive.htm He's got the goods. The trial will be held in his church in Harlem. He says Obama won't last out his term. And that's why his foreign citizenship has to be exposed. His signature on laws can't be allowed to stand. His genocidal DeathCare, warefare, banking giveaways that saddle future Americans with debt. His fraud needs to be exposed. Damn. Interview ending. Manning says the trial won't be streamed live. He wants people to come to New York, boots on the ground to give crowd presence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 05 May 10 - 12:28 AM If you google "Manning birther" you get some interesting results. This one is worth a read, at "Oh, For Goodness Sake" (ha!). It is about Manning and his so called trial. By the way, Rev Manning's PhD is a degree he bestowed upon himself. they claim he was in Al Qaeda before it existed |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 05 May 10 - 12:36 AM His trial will be held in his church? Um, real trials are held in courtrooms. And not in religious settings. And you claim to be a champion of RIGHTS? What power does he have to enforce the findings of this mock kangaroo star chamber? The REAL courts refuse to hear the case because Obama has already proven his place of birth and therefore it's a frivolous case. But if you put your fingers in your ears and scream really loudly, you might make your neighbors mad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 05 May 10 - 04:01 AM The may I'm reading from UK. A bunch of nutters want your presidemt to prove he is American, but then they argue that what ever documentation is provided cannot be proof..... Hm how are you guys going to deal with the fact that therefore every president you ever had had no right to serve, therefore, every decision ever made in America cannot stand.... Does that mean that all 200 Million citizens of US cannot prove they were born in US and therefore noone has the right to vote??? Also, can the nutters prove there citizenship/nationality by the same arguement?????????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 05 May 10 - 10:10 AM IT would be constitutional if it weren't world-class bullshit, Michael, but it IS bullshit. Get over it, get a life of some kind. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 06 May 10 - 12:25 AM SPB-Cooperator -- The problem with Obama began when his grandmother said she saw him born in Kenya. Other family members backed up her claim. That's a problem, because according to our constitution he is ineligible to serve as President if he was born in Kenya. The people who were responsible for checking his citizenship were politicians from his own party, so when the issue was raised in the media, those politicians flashed a piece of paper over the internet as proof. That was it. Now they say the issue is "resolved" and closed. But he still hasn't provided proof of citizenship. And he's spent over two million dollars on lawyers to hide all records from his early life which might shed light on his place of birth and citizenship. That's the problem we're faced with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: GUEST,TIA Date: 06 May 10 - 12:34 AM To avoid a moving goalpost and shifting arguments, how about ichMichael states right now exactly what (realistic) evidence he needs to see to prove that Obama is legally POTUS. Please be specific and realistic. And when what you request is produced, we will se how sincere you are. K? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 06 May 10 - 01:03 AM Hmm, somebody said his grandmother said, versus the officials of the State of Hawaii. This is even a question? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 06 May 10 - 04:06 PM A little glitch in your knowledge of the law, Michael: since Obama's mother was an American citizen—born in Kansas—that makes Obama an American citizen no matter where he was born. Get your facts straight. No, forget it! I know that's asking far too much from you. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Amos Date: 06 May 10 - 05:05 PM If you would behold a Granfaloon Remove the skin from a toy balloon.... Michael, your absolute inability to evaluate information is going to leave you energetically spinning in a posthole alongside the road of life. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: John P Date: 06 May 10 - 05:28 PM The sky is red! The sky is red! Why won't you prove to me that it's not red, Michael? C'mon, show me your proof that the sky isn't red. Or are you a part of the giant conspiracy that's trying to make people believe the sky is blue? Where's your proof? Where's your proof? The sky is red! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: LadyJean Date: 06 May 10 - 10:58 PM Ok, my onetime Canadian housemate was married to an American woman, for a while, and they had a son. That son was an American, because his mom was an American. John McCain was born in Panama. Any number of American diplomats and service members have children ovreseas every year. Those children are considered U.S. citizens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 06 May 10 - 11:00 PM Don't be foolish, John P. Only people who disagree with ItchMyEL have to disprove his claims. He doesn't have to disprove theirs. Don't you got no schoolin'? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: GUEST,TIA Date: 09 May 10 - 10:10 AM I would really like to get at the truth on the following issues. Perhaps someone could construct webpages summarizing the evidence: The Royals killed Di because she was carrying Obama's baby Obama was Jack the Ripper Obama killed Marilyn Monroe Paul McCartney died in a car crash decades ago (Obama was the other driver) That eye over the pyramid on the $1 bill… yup, it's Obama's Have you ever noticed that the face on Mars looks just like… |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 09 May 10 - 01:49 PM Yes and Who put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp? Who put the ram in the Rama-Lama-Ding-Dong? Who was that man? I bet it was Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 09 May 10 - 01:53 PM They say Barry Mann recorded those lyrics, but I see the truth now! Barry... as in Barack and Mann as in you da man. He is the answer to all those troubling questions! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 09 May 10 - 02:02 PM Well done, Alice! I always thought it was Barry Wom but your logic wins out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 09 May 10 - 10:02 PM (Apr. 27, 2010) -- ...Dr. Manning reports that he has documented evidence that Barack Hussein Obama II is not a "natural born Citizen" as required by the U.S. Constitution to be President of the United States, and that Obama also did not attend Columbia University from 1981-83 as Obama has claimed. MRS. RONDEAU: Do you have any other key witnesses coming? DR. MANNING: ...I have subpoenaed George Stephanopoulos, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Condolezza Rice.... MRS. RONDEAU: Is there a penalty if anyone does not honor your subpoena? DR. MANNING: The Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives us the absolute, mandated right to call for a trial with a jury of we the people sanctioned by the Constitution if we discover that the courts or government officials are not executing their duties and allowing the people due process. Thusly, the Constitution empowers our courts. We, at times, will present evidence that crimes have taken place. At that point, it becomes the responsibility of the officials to arrest those who have been charged with crimes in a public and duly-authorized hearing or court. We will point out that crimes did take place. If the court is duly authorized, then the contempt of that court is also an infraction, and you can be arrested for that as well. So anyone who does not show up can be in contempt of a duly-authorized, Tenth Amendment, constitutionally-mandated court. That's the best way to answer that. MRS. RONDEAU: Do you have a mechanism to enforce it? DR. MANNING: We will present the information to the local officials. http://www.rense.com/general90/proof.htm Five days and counting. Will Zbig be arrested? Will Condi spill the beans? Stay tuned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Alice Date: 09 May 10 - 10:28 PM "Dr." Manning is delusional. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Ebbie Date: 09 May 10 - 10:51 PM He's not the only one. Ich, don't you realize that the illustrious 'doctor' is doing the equivalent of backyard pretending? Since when does a "private" trial carry weight? High schools do it- but they are not under the misapprehension that their 'findings' have any legal status at all. It appears to me that the 'doctor' (sorry, I can't take him seriously) is below average not only in legal knowledge but in mind power. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: ichMael Date: 09 May 10 - 11:12 PM Crash course. Clinton repealed FDR's Glass-Steagall Act, which kept predatory bankers off of Wall Street. Since then, America's been taken over by foreign banks. Both Republican and Democratic politicians have been paid off to let this happen. The courts have been bought off. Clinton, Bush and Obama work for the predatory banks. The feds will not hold the govt or the banks accountable. It's gotten so outrageous, that people don't even have to qualify for office now. The only qualification needed is that you promise to serve the banks. But to place a Kenyan (or is he Indonesian) in the white house? That's going a bit far. So Manning is calling a trial. We all have the right to do that. We don't have to sit on our hands and wait for a judge to call a trial, WE can. That's what Manning is doing. A jury will be seated, evidence will be presented. Manning says that during his Occidental/Columbia years, Obama was running guns to the Taliban (bin Laden). He seems satisfied that he has the proof. And no matter WHERE that proof is presented, once it IS presented, the authorities have to look into it. Manning's trial idea is sheer genius. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: mousethief Date: 10 May 10 - 01:07 AM Oh. My. Dear. God. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Ebbie Date: 10 May 10 - 01:59 AM At 19, Ichmael, you should be smart enough to see through this. At age 20 you are practicing for age 40; at age 40 you will practice for age 80. It may seem to you that you have a long time but you don't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: GUEST,TIA Date: 10 May 10 - 07:32 AM According to my new understanding of the US legal system, I think we could convene a private trial to judge the mental competence of persons who should perhaps be institutionalized. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 10 May 10 - 03:49 PM Don't worry, matron will be along later to give you your pills. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court From: Don Firth Date: 10 May 10 - 03:59 PM How many times was the earth supposed to have come to an end and the appointed date rolled by uneventfully? The doomsayers remain undaunted. They just set a new date. Ho hum. . . . Don Firth |
