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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Once Famous Date: 18 Aug 04 - 05:06 PM daylia Tell us how you really feel. Nice to see the heat on someone other than me. The pompous and the snobs continue to be here, but daylia can handle them. So can I. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,Lilyfestre Date: 18 Aug 04 - 06:00 PM Health insurance = festival of crap LMAO...I like that!!!!! You couldn't be any closer to the truth if you tried!!!!!! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Aug 04 - 06:30 PM WYSIWYG, you're asking one helluva big favor, and not all parties are responding in the way you hoped, are they? The link provided says: Oft in the Stilly Night Words & music: Thomas Moore (1815) (published by N. Thurston, N.Y., n.d.) SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: wysiwyg Date: 18 Aug 04 - 06:38 PM Yes, SRS, I am, and I knew I was when I asked it. I think letting little time pass may, um, improve things a tad. And I think enough of you as a person to hope you might do just that. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 18 Aug 04 - 07:18 PM What happened? I thought we were talking about, um, nevermind. These feuds, people, I think we'd all like to see you kiss and make out. Take the example of Little Hawk. Always centered, respectful of others, never gets rattled or pissy or says anything rashly that comes out sounding wrong, that he'd need be embarrassed of. And on top of that, he's funny. Am I the only one who can't stand this guy? I get so sick of him respecting me and my opinion I start bickering with myself, say things to myself that I'll regret, and lash back rudely. But even more than that ass, me, I can't stand that guy, Little Hawk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,fred miller Date: 18 Aug 04 - 09:47 PM Up! I meant make up. No offence LH, I'm just jealous, people are pairing into feuds and I've got no partner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Timbo Date: 18 Aug 04 - 10:20 PM As the great writer grffitti once wrote: "If God had meant us to be homosexual surely he would have put holes in our bums" This topic sure has stirred up the hornets nest. Each to their own, just as long as they don't make it compulsory. Timbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,fred Miller Date: 19 Aug 04 - 02:32 PM hornets schmornets, it's an important question of the day, anyhow. Wysiwyg, I'm not sure it's clear that you've made a direct request, although maybe only I don't get it. Why do guys equate homosexuality with anal sex? I know about half aren't that disposed to it, lesbians, and I think not all males homosexuals are either, and, it's fairly common among heteros. Or, at least, well, nevermind. I feel pretty settled on this issue, for myself, on the main point of human rights. But it's also interesting what else pertains to it, what side-issues are involved, what one might speculate is on the horizon. It's interesting to try to see around the way the question is usually framed, which is usually a sex morality question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Aug 04 - 02:39 PM Well, Fred, since you asked, I asked a couple of the recent tanglees to detangle-- to just let the thread go. They were folks with whom I shared a certain connection, and I asked them that favor, on that basis. I think there are quite a few of us around the joint who hope that either the thread will die a natural death-- most topical points having already been made-- or that new topical points will be added. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Aug 04 - 02:51 PM Fred, WYSIWYG asked people to stop squabbling. Not all complied. If you want to argue, I gift you with daylia. This garbage is bleeding all over the Mudcat. Sorry, Susan, but we might as well keep it in one place. I don't want to say any more on Martin's thread since he has enough troubles of his own. daylia, let 'er rip. I'm sure you can spout off for hours now about my intellectual posturing and inferior genetic tendencies. signed--Stilly River Sage, who has taken all of the nonsense she's going to. (Don't worry, Susan, I'm finished with this thread. I will resume my policy, practiced for the last couple of years since the last blowup, of avoiding any threads that daylia is actively posting to.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Aug 04 - 03:03 PM :~( Well, SRS, if it pleases you to generate self-fulfilling prophecies, you are now correct that I was wrong-- you have shown, all by yourself, that my hope in you was misplaced. You (and daylia) can each blame each other for being SO AWFUL that you just HAD TO ANSWER the VILE things that were said, but the truth is, only you are responsible for what you post. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: maggiethecat Date: 19 Aug 04 - 03:10 PM This has become so sad to read. I'm new. Do people really say things like this to each other here? Why? What is accomplished? -maggie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Aug 04 - 03:26 PM The job of self-appointed mediator is a tough one, so please don't take it personally when it doesn't work. The choice to post wasn't to get in "one more lick," but to make my objection to those posts perfectly clear. Susan, I felt that someone had to point out why her remarks were so vile. The irrational response that various aspects of this conversation aroused in her are such that I can't sit back and let her assume that if no one brings this sorry behavior to her attention that it's okay. I speak for myself, not for Mudcat, and I'm not suggesting any kind of vote come to pass regarding who posted what or how they responded. I'm suggesting that even if daylia gets angry about the topic, she needs to stick to arguing about the topic and not inflate the situation by making wild personal attacks. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST Date: 19 Aug 04 - 04:13 PM It's okay, Susan. Thanks for your efforts to restore peace and goodwill here. I do take full responsibility for all of my posts. I do mean every word most sincerely - except for those few moments of angry, off-color "comic relief" already noted above. And I do post with the best interests of the Mudcat and everyone on it at heart. Stilly, it might please you to know that I re-read the lyrics of Ode to the Stilly Night last night. I think I understand why straight out of the blue, in the midst of all the hissing and snarling "something" moved me to google for your River and your song yesterday. It was really the LAST thing I felt like doing at the time, believe me. And where there used to be only hurt and anger when I thought of you, there is now only acceptance, detachment, and compassion. All the best to you Stilly, daylia PS I'm finding it quite impossible to work spiritual/energetic healing techniques for somebody and stay angry with them at the same time. What a relief, and Holy HUNA!! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,*daylia* Date: 19 Aug 04 - 04:25 PM Unfortunately yes, maggie. Pobody's Nerfect. Is there a technical glitch on this site today that's stopping me from logging in, Susan? Have I been banned, maybe ?!? daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Aug 04 - 04:28 PM No, it's either a glitch or you are logged out and need to log in again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Aug 04 - 04:31 PM I have no such power, daylia. Maybe a higher power is telling you to take a break though. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST Date: 19 Aug 04 - 04:39 PM Well that's funny, Susan -- I was just thinking not 2 minutes ago about making my way to Willow Creek, flutes in hand, to enjoy this gorgeous day, connect with nature and ease my mind. Are you sure the higher powers aren't telling you my secrets or something? ;-) Thanks LH, for everything. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Once Famous Date: 19 Aug 04 - 05:46 PM Does anyone know if it is possible to get a good corned beef sandwich in England? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,fred miller Date: 19 Aug 04 - 08:25 PM o' big deal, people talk about things they feel strongly about, get mad, it's not the end of civilization, really. Everynow and then, if you keep going, you work through it to a civil state of utter disagreement. It's happened to me and it feels better and--I think--looks better than quitting out of nicety. I'm not among those who have been really put off by anyone's horrible remarks. Some didn't come across so well, that's all. Oddly, once after a squabble my cookie got dropped, and I felt the same way, that maybe I'd offended. I think it was all about affirmative action, which I got pretty worked up about. I tried to bring up some different points, don't have much else on my mind. Except I remember watching a good documentary about drag queens and transexuals called Paris Is Burning--which isn't about gays per se, but some were, sort of, and it was nicely evenhanded. Some people were sympathetic, others were about the stupidest most self-absorbed creatures you'll ever see depicted. It was a good movie anyway. Sooner or later the trans-gender thing will cross paths with same-sex marriage, on the other side of that fence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Aug 04 - 08:31 PM My guess is it can be done, Martin. But I wouldn't bet the farm on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Aug 04 - 09:54 PM I'm gonna just use this thread from now on for the Thread Name Game, no topical association intended, just a better use of the thread. Sniff! Dont slurp... / One of our farts is missing. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Aug 04 - 09:56 PM Q: What Do Physicists Think About?? A: The Great Pizza Shortage! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Aug 04 - 09:57 PM Anyone can play! Q: Problem with guests... A: Shower or Bath? ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Aug 04 - 09:58 PM On the Way to Cape May: Ship in Limbo! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 19 Aug 04 - 10:04 PM Have you silly bastards really got nothing better to do than moan about gay weddings? A third of the worlds population don't know where their next meal is coming from, but all you can do, is sit by your computers and whinge, as if your posts here really make a differnce! It's simple, if you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay. john [not married, not gay, just fed up of folk sticking their nose into other people's business]. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 20 Aug 04 - 12:28 AM Good point J from H. But maybe the friggin' thread could be used to address the friggin' subject. It matters. It's not so easy. Heterosexual marriage and family is up there with the ancient verities, as Faulkner called them. It's a big friggin' deal, after all, isn't it? Here it is knocking at the door. It's not hunger, granted, but it is what it is. The Norm--it's not easy and natural, people work very hard to uphold it, as a value in their lives, and here come very different terms. It matters. I've come down pro, completely pro, I hardly see the point in debating it much, except when people call me unthinkingly pc and bolster it with a bunch of evasive pc counter-crap. But I don't come down so hard that I blame people, too much, for reservations. Because of my religious upbringing. I was raised as a science experiment. So what do I know about it. On the other hand, I think the trouble with calling people bigots, is... I don't know, aren't we? to some extent, most of us? A bit? No? Okay... the crickets are with me. I guess it's just me. Me and the crickets. I guess we finally found the equivalent of the N-word among white people. Fashizzle m'bigotizzle, dog. The problem here, is e-mail. One writes as one speaks, and then it's there, like you actually WROTE it. Fuck. Some people speak as though they're writing, others, are like me. I thought I heard a backing away from squabble into mock-squabble, but it doesn't go over. Well, screw it, I enjoyed it. I don't know if my tone was taken and I'm embarrassed--o' well. I'll live. It's not that bad, is it? You can hear more vulgar more vicious things anywhere, on the news, on talk shows. We're not pros, most of us, let us screw up a bit. Or the whole point of an open forum is no point at all. What a stupid waste. Am I the only person who thinks everyone is being pretty reasonable, in their own ways? Yes, people say things like that to each other. I can't think of a person I actually love that I haven't said worse to. Okay, one. No, three, I hope. But out of many more than three. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Bagpuss Date: 20 Aug 04 - 06:34 AM I am amazed that daylia knows such a collection of homosexual people with so many severe problems. I know a fair number of gay people and they seem to me no more and no less screwed up than anyone else I know. One guy is a bit of a show off, shallow, know it all, but no more so than his female friend who is straight. Another lesbian woman I know suffers from depression, but then so do I and many other people I know. I also know someone who is gay and really suffered throughout his younger years, in the main because of the lack of acceptance from his straight parents which really hurt him. I also know a straight girl whose parents split up when she was young when the dad announced he was gay. She spent a lot of time with each of her parents and their new partners and is one of the happiest and most well adjusted people i know. She was teased at school about her dad, but it didnt bother her too much as she had a lot of close friends (each of whom was teased/bullied about something or other). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Ellenpoly Date: 20 Aug 04 - 07:02 AM They call it "Salt Beef" in the UK, Martin. Best is found in Jewish Delis, of course! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: HRH ted of hull Date: 20 Aug 04 - 07:03 AM I'd marry you jOhn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: *daylia* Date: 20 Aug 04 - 07:42 AM Bagpuss, let me try to clarify this once again. Yes, I have known and know now homosexual and bisexual people with many problems. Some severe, some not so severe. I'd call the problems my 20yr old friend faces every day of his life semi-severe - from the difficulty he has finding and keeping decent employment in a straight world, to personal harassment and vandalism of his property (a common occurence), to the regular visits to doctors and health clinics for sex-related injuries and fear of AIDS, to the lack of formal education due to (self-chosen) years on the street as a child prostitute/drug runner. I'd consider being found HIV positive a "severe" problem, and I do hope he avoids the worst. But by far, the biggest collection of people with severe or semi-severe problems I've known are not gay but straight. The (big) difference is that unfortunately, ALL of the gays I've known fit into this category, keeping company with only about 35% (or so) of the straights. Hence my concern when people try to deny or minimize the "gay factor". Denying it in any way is highly irresponsible behavior, and it benefits no one. Here's a testimonial from an Adult child of a gay parent. He belongs to a support group called "Pink Parents". The last few paragraphs of his story follow: ... There was an incident that tipped me over the edge just a few weeks after my dad died. I was working and got talking to this girl. It came out who my dad was and she just laughed. She said "Your dad didn't have any kids. He was the biggest poof in Yorkshire." An awful lot of people were unaware he'd ever had children. Following this incident, I fell to pieces. I was extremely promiscuous, took a lot of drugs and drank like a mad man. I spent the next few years on this downward spiral. Eventually in my mid twenties, I attempted suicide. This was a wake up call for me and it made me determined to get my life back together. I got into university and gained a good degree. I'm now doing a job I love that is very rewarding. That said, I'm still a wreck emotionally. I suffer from severe bouts of depression and am constantly battling suicidal thoughts. I suppose this stems from my sense of not belonging, the feeling that I shouldn't be here. I find it impossible to form close meaningful relationships, although I have no trouble making friends. I am determined to get better. I've recently been trying to contact other people who have gay parents. I'm hoping to set up a website to aid this. I'm also about to begin some Cognitive Analytical Therapy. This is in an attempt to unravel my problems and to find a way of dealing with them, so that I can live a contented life. This is all that anybody wants I am sure. I think the young man speaks for himself quite well. To balance the picture, I'll add some hopeful stories from kids "growing up gay" right now. This last site sounds a lot more positive. I only hope that the studies and statistics quoted are honest, not selectively chosen or skewed to paint the rosiest picture possible. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,Bagpuss Date: 20 Aug 04 - 07:54 AM And I can only repeat that I am amazed Daylia. Either your sample of gay friends and acquaintances is completely unrepresentative of gay people as a whole, or mine is. On a seperate note, it just confuses me that there is an argument that in order to protect children who might be subject to bullying which stems from prejudice and discrimination against gay people, we should submit gay people to further discrimination, instead of trying to combat the prejudice and discrimination. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: *daylia* Date: 20 Aug 04 - 08:11 AM Well Bagpuss, there's no reason to expect that our experiences or the people we've known should be exactly the same, is there? I'm so glad to hear there's lots of people out there doing so much better than the ones I've known. And let me make this clear -- over half of the people I've known moved to my area from larger urban centers, like Toronto and Vancouver. So please don't get the impression that my community is at fault for breeding unhappy gays or something. Your last point is excellent. How will the situation ever change unless, well, the changes are made? We have to start somewhere. It's just very unfortunate that the most powerless and vulnerable members of society are most often the ones who pay the highest price for those changes. I only hope it's really getting better every day. The times they are still a-changin, after all. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Aug 04 - 08:49 AM People always push at a problem or subject from their own initial emotional position on it. Just look at the political threads. :-) Those coming from different emotional positions are often amazed at what the other says or perceives. The trick is in stretching your own perceptions until you can grasp where the other person is coming from and why. All people instinctively defend what they perceive to be good, right, and just. I disagree with Doug R on politics, for example, but I do understand why he sees it all the way he does. My impression is that the gay (male) lifestyle is inherently more stressful and risky than the heterosexual lifestyle or the gay female lifestyle...but...that doesn't necessarily mean that gay males cannot have a healthy, enduring relationship together. It just ups the odds of it not working out that way. If I am right that it is more stressful and risky...it's partly because of existing social prejudice, partly because of the status quo, partly because of past customs, and quite possibly partly because of natural health reasons (anal intercourse is hard on the body in various ways, and is clearly not a very natural process for a body to undergo...the anus is there to eject waste matter, and that is its sole bodily purpose). There are also some interesting Taoist writings on the matter, strictly from a health point of view. They do not regard it as a moral issue. Just a health issue. They say that two aggressive sexual energies (male) tend to clash energetically when brought together, thus harming the body and emotions on a subtle level, whereas two female passive sexual energies do not clash harmfully when brought together. Therefore, Taoists did not warn against male-to-male sexuality on any moral basis whatsoever, but they did stress that it could have damaging health consequences. They did not ban it or attempt to ban it, they just cautioned people regarding the health issues. Under Taoism each person was entirely free to make his own decision about the matter, as he saw fit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,TIA Date: 20 Aug 04 - 09:29 AM If children in the care of gays or lesbians are at such risk, should we not take them away? I'm asking because my father was raised by a gay in a non-gay marriage, I have two cousins who were raised by my gay uncle and his partner, and a niece and nephew raised by a gay married to a lesbian (also relatives). We were under the mistaken impression that we are a pretty well adjusted and happy (albeit unconventional) family. Better rip us apart just to be sure...for the good of the kids of course. And if you can't guess - Daylia, please add me to the yes total. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,noddy Date: 20 Aug 04 - 09:50 AM Me ... I just dont like MARRIAGE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: *daylia* Date: 20 Aug 04 - 10:32 AM *sigh* TIA I am not trying to rip anyone apart. I am presenting the very real "flip side" of the (currently) politically correct coin. It's regrettable that so many people obviously would rather not look at it, and take such personal offense to it. All people face some sort of risk. If you're human, it goes with the territory. My point is that in the past and at the present time, gays as a group have faced and continue to face significantly greater risks than straights as a group - physically, socially, emotionally and psychologically. And any children they choose to involve in their lifestyle also, unfortunately, face those greater risks. For better or worse. It looks like there are many measures being taken to address those risks and the problems they create, such as the self-help support groups for children and adult children of gay parents I linked to above. And that's a very good thing! I'm glad that your relatives are happy and well-adjusted. Perhaps I should make it a point to find and study the happy, healthy, stable, socially well-adjusted gay couples in my community (must be here somewhere!) that I haven't had the pleasure (and relief) of meeting yet? I don't think so. That sounds like quite an invasion of privacy, to me. Maybe I'll get lucky enough to meet a few of them sometime soon. At any rate, I sure didn't "seek out" any of the ones I've known or know now! I'm just living my typical little life, minding my own typical little business ... and there they've been. Reading this thread is enough to assure me that there's plenty of happy healthy well-adjusted gays out there. So thank you for adding to the positive testimonials, TIA. I thought the poll had fallen to the wayside so I'd stopped counting, but I'll add your "yes" to the results if you like. So that's 4 yeses, 3 no's and a moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot! (for comic relief). daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: HRH ted of hull Date: 20 Aug 04 - 10:36 AM Thornton's chocolate factory in York has a lot of fudge packers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: *daylia* Date: 20 Aug 04 - 10:50 AM ted, behave yourself - pleeeeeeeeeeeze? Name-calling and "Jokes" like that just make a difficult situation worse. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST,TIA Date: 20 Aug 04 - 10:50 AM Daylia, I respect that you are being thoughtful about this, but it is very hard NOT to take it personally given the subject matter and my (our) personal situation. I kept my big mouth shut in this thread for a looonnng time, and probably should cntinue to, but here goes... I think it's not a case of "people not looking at it", or "political correctness". Many people have looked at it, don't care (or in my case have no time for the concept of, nor the phrase, political correctness), and simply don't agree with your viewpoint. I know I am certainly oversimplifying your opinion, but it sounds in some posts an awful lot like: "Blacks (or Jews, or Irish, or Evangelicals) face terrible prejudices, so we should not let them adopt children - for the sake of the children, of course" and in others: "Excercise fanatics (or NASCAR fans, or ebay shoppers, or music makers fer chrissakes) are so caught up in their passions that they will not make proper parents". If I am completely misinterpreting you, I apologize. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Bagpuss Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:03 AM And anyway, surely thats why we (in the UK anyway) have a rigourous adoption screening process - to check that the people involved are suitable and the problems they face will not impact too much on the children. You cant argue for a ban based on a statistical correlation when you can screen people based on the real problems rather than exclude a group because a larger proportion of them suffer from such problems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: *daylia* Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:05 AM I certainly said nothing about blacks or Irish or ebay shoppers, TIA - and nor would I ever. Sounds pretty ridiculous, huh? Like I said, this thread has given me a much wider perspective than the one afforded by my own personal experiences. That's the blessing of the internet, and that's why I'm here! I presented my stories, feelings and concerns for precisely that reason - because I knew I needed a wider perspective - NOT to rip anyone apart. I'm grateful for the chance to do that here, and I'm grateful to you for being honest, informative and gracious while presenting your concerns about what I've said. I don't see that it really conflicts much with my own perspective, anyway. It just gives a more complete picture. And I hope I'm not wrong about that! daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Bagpuss Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:11 AM "I certainly said nothing about blacks or Irish or ebay shoppers, TIA - and nor would I ever. Sounds pretty ridiculous, huh?" Daylia, can you see how it seems to us that your viewpoint is the equivalent of you saying such a thing about black or Irish, etc? If it would sound ridiculous if you said it about other groups, why is it not ridiculous when applied to homosexuals? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: GUEST Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:11 AM Daylia this really isn't a personal attack, because I don't know anything about you, but,when I read your posts you sound just like that woman in Misery.is it Kathy Bates? Not sure. But your phrasing is exactly the same, uncanny. Just an observation honest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: *daylia* Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:13 AM And anyway, surely thats why we (in the UK anyway) have a rigourous adoption screening process - to check that the people involved are suitable and the problems they face will not impact too much on the children. You cant argue for a ban based on a statistical correlation when you can screen people based on the real problems rather than exclude a group because a larger proportion of them suffer from such problems. Bagpuss, that makes a great deal of sense. Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:18 AM What anyone believes is what they perceive. They find what they look for. They seldom even notice what they do not look for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: *daylia* Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:19 AM Well GUEST, I have no idea who or what you're talking about, so I don't know if you're attacking me or not. Perhaps that's just as well. I'll choose to take the easy route and assume you're not. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Bagpuss Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:28 AM Thanks Guest - Now i wont be able to read a post from Daylia without hearing Kathy Bates! Daylia - your willingness to actually listen to and take on board the viewpoints and arguments of the people you are discussing a subject with has been rather refreshing. Please keep it up! (I'm still amazed that you know such a lot of screwed up gay people and absolutely none who are doing just fine!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:43 AM I haven't seen that movie either. The title put me off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why you don't like gay marriage From: *daylia* Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:48 AM Sheesh -- is it THAT uncommon? I'd go on and on and describe to you in minute detail the ones I've known (other than the one young man and one gay couple I've already described) but I just can't bring myself to do it! It would take too long, and it would probably convince no one. Describing the one young man I know right now still feels so uncomfortable, like a blatant breach of privacy. :-( And what good did it do? None at all, as far as I can see. big BIG :-( I'm have to go pay my bills and get on with my real life now. Thank you all very much for the discussion. It's been quite the interesting slice! daylia (not to be confused with Kathy Bates, whoever she is. I get the impression she's either some bubblehead with a big bum, or someone like June Cleaver. I'd ask "am I right?" - but I probably wouldn't want to know anyway). |
