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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST Date: 17 Jun 05 - 11:59 AM Mudcatters cannot have sex, or even think about it because they are way too old and past it.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST,615 Date: 17 Jun 05 - 12:12 PM There is a song on country radio currently - something to the effect of "I'm not as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was". |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST,From the bleachers Date: 17 Jun 05 - 12:31 PM Is this the same CarolC who has been swopping insults with Clinton Hammond that is advocating an adult approach to dealing with trolls? She also seems to imply that it was her standing up to MG that drove him away, what an ego and what a short memory. FTB |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST,615 Date: 17 Jun 05 - 12:37 PM From the Bleachers - She never said that at all. Stop putting words in her mouth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:11 PM All of this fighting about fighting. Joe, why don't you put everyone out of their misery and close this thread? SRS (brown letters of yesterday, but clearly that message didn't get through to anyone) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: CarolC Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:12 PM The GUEST,CarolC post at 17 Jun 05 - 11:25 AM was from me. GUEST, bleachers, I don't think it's productive to automatically assume someone is trolling just because they have flamed me a few times. Maybe Clinton is genuinely angry with me. Maybe he's just an asshole. Who knows? But maybe he really is trolling. So I have to give him a chance to show me what he is really doing before I determine that he is trolling. And then once I have done that, I can adjust my posts accordingly. It's pretty obvious to me at this point that he is trolling (or maybe he's just an asshole). Either way, I have been ignoring him since my last post to him on 16 Jun 05 - 04:00 PM (that was yesterday afternoon). |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: dianavan Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:18 PM Guest, Arnold Jackson - I do not hate Martin or Joe or Max or anyone else. Calling me a monger reveals more about yourself than it does about me. Joe - I really appreciate the tone of your last post. Thank-you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: CarolC Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:19 PM Oops. I didn't see your bit about me thinking I drove "Martin" away, bleachers. No, I did not drive him away. I just was mostly successful in getting him to let up on me. As I said, it was an experiment. I wanted to see if it would work. It did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Clinton Hammond Date: 17 Jun 05 - 02:24 PM "It's pretty obvious to me at this point that he is trolling (or maybe he's just an asshole)" Just relating to you on your own level carol.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST,615 Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:43 PM Clinton - You've told us over and over again that the best way to handles unpleasent posters is to just walk away - no response whatsoever. If that's true why are you here ? If it's good advise why don't you take it ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST,Ogden Trash Date: 17 Jun 05 - 03:51 PM (Looks like troll AND asshole to me.) Little Willie, dressed in sashes Fell in the fire and burned to ashes. Though the room is growing chilly, I haven't the heart to poke poor Willie....... |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Clinton Hammond Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:13 PM "is to just walk away" Where have I said that?!?!?! LOL Carol is so fun to wind up.. she gets her knickers all knotted over nothing, and spews and fumes and stamps and stomps... how can you NOT enjoy watching that?!?!?!? |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Kim C Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:14 PM "I believe that this vindicates Joe in his assertion that the ONLY way to combat these trolls is by not responding to them." Which is why this thread now has over 700 posts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: jpk Date: 17 Jun 05 - 04:56 PM come,come now let it go will ya,lets all go back to talkin,cars or songs or trains or moma rand over by a damn ole pick up truck or what ever.enough is enough and the fun goes out,and evrey one starts geting mad for no real reason,kiss and makeup,lets move on[see them thar moutians over thar im gona clim them thar moutians ya,ll comin] |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Wolfgang Date: 17 Jun 05 - 05:06 PM 615, do you know the Rumpelstiltskin story? "If no one knows my name they have no power over me". That's magical thinking which was out of time very long ago. Oh, I forgot, since you are '615' now nothing can touch you any more. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: LilyFestre Date: 17 Jun 05 - 05:39 PM Guest 11:55, I did 3 of the 5 things on your list....I don't really like to hang out in the bars, so that one is out and ummmm...the concert is tomorrow night........... Let me say that your suggestions beat the heck out of worrying about who said what to who....... *smirk* Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: DougR Date: 17 Jun 05 - 08:01 PM I go with Mick on this one. I'm amazed at some of the things I have read in this thread from people that I have bantered with for years, but always with a civil tone. I share Kim's amazement, too, that this thread has already grown to about half of the posts on Amos's thread on the Bush Administration. His thread began, I believe, in September 2004 and has taken ten months to reach a bit over 1,200 posts. Martin has been gone less than a week, if memory serves me, and this thread has reached over 700. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Jun 05 - 09:07 PM "Gibson" was the source of a lot of problems while he was here, and there were 3 items he was responsible for, which I have noted earlier and which are completely inexcusable. Any one of them should have caused his expulsion. There is now, as you should know--it's no mystery-- a strong difference of opinion on how to deal, not with trolls in general, but with a member who is in fact just a glorified troll. Again, I think everybody realizes the way to deal with trolls in general is to ignore them but a Mudcat member who turns out to be a troll needs different treatment, in my view. Your mileage may vary. Jeri-- "Making excuses"--not likely. Try not to read into a post more than is there. "Gibson" always had more than enough sparring partners,-- by no means just 'Catters--including during the month-plus that I was not one (not to mention the time before I started posting). By the way, I do not apologize in the least for defending myself (with sarcasm), nor does anybody else need to apologize for standing up to him. In fact I got kudos from some 'Catters for standing up to him, while not joining him in the gutter. He should have been banned. We cannot ban anybody. Joe can. It's also patently absurd to say that if "Gibson" were banned, everybody would be banned. In fact, it might have a salutary effect on some others (obviously not aimed at you). And it may be needed again. As you should know, he was all over the 'Cat. There is no reason to let sociopaths rule, even on the wild wild Net. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: DougR Date: 17 Jun 05 - 09:48 PM Ron Davis: and your diagnosis of MG is based on your professional opinion? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: robomatic Date: 17 Jun 05 - 10:38 PM Gibson was not the source of 'a lot' of problems on the 'cat. He was an illustrator of those problems. Originally, before some of his truly atrocious personal references, I took him to be a sort of self-elected Lenny Bruce. His vituperation lost some of their pungency due to the readiness and, excuse the word, liberal application of his blather on all and sundry. It was reminiscent of a National Lampoon column where the supposedly witty host is replaced with Tourette's sufferers. MG was not entirely without logical thought. Indeed, he originated several threads with cogent quotations. However, he was often a fomenter and he wrote some mean nasty stuff directed at people he didn't agree with, and he interjected low-blow comments that were usually devoid of meaningful content that would advance the thread. Nevertheless, the truth that has often been stated in those threads, and occasionally mentioned in this one, is that all one had to do was ignore him and the others of his ilk, and move on. In other words, MG offered mudcatters the opportunity to prove they were better than him. An opportunity they did not take. The incredible size of this thread seals the deal. I recently re-watched "Life of Brian" and nothing rings truer to this moment than the disciples sitting around a table debating their call to take action as Brian is being crucified. Nothing can get 'em away from the table as they debate the need to anser a call to action. This thread shows that MG was not the problem, he was a mirror of the problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: annamill Date: 18 Jun 05 - 02:25 PM Gee, now I miss Martin! From what I read here, I guess we really need him! Come back Martin, please!! Love, Annamill (withtonguefirmlypressedincheek) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: susu Date: 19 Jun 05 - 12:07 AM CarolC posted: "You have never experienced the death of a child, nor do you have any obvious physical handicaps or long-term life threatening illnesses. In fact, from what I saw when I met you, you looked to be one very fortunate individual. So I wouldn't expect you do know how it feels to be in the shoes of the people he did hurt." Good God WOMAN! WE HAVE ALL HAD TRAGEDIES IN OUR LIVES! That is life. So sad that you get offended so easily, especially if you KNOW that someone is trying to get a rise out of you. Maybe it is just your pathetic way of getting attention. As we say in Texas, BLESS YOUR HEART! Then you post... "GUEST, bleachers, I don't think it's productive to automatically assume someone is trolling just because they have flamed me a few times. Maybe Clinton is genuinely angry with me. Maybe he's just an asshole. Who knows? But maybe he really is trolling. So I have to give him a chance to show me what he is really doing before I determine that he is trolling. And then once I have done that, I can adjust my posts accordingly. It's pretty obvious to me at this point that he is trolling (or maybe he's just an asshole). Either way, I have been ignoring him since my last post to him on 16 Jun 05 - 04:00 PM (that was yesterday afternoon)." So let me get this straight...you can ignore Clinton but MG you can't? As for this comment to Hubby... "One of the few exceptions to that is my argument with Joe on this thread, which is none of your business. I have met Joe, more than once, in person, I have played music with him, and until this thread, I counted him as a friend." Why did you feel it necessary to state, "which is none of your business" do you think that adds more weight to your comment? Do you think anyone really cares? Evidently you chose to make it his business. So I suggest that you get some consistency and either always post to those who offend you or ignore them, but either way… QUIT WHINING! IT IS GETTING OLD! I don't care if you have been a member for several years, whereas Hubby and I have been here for a couple of months, BIG DEAL! Susu P.S. Say whatever vile thing you can come up with, I promise I won't get offended. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Jun 05 - 12:57 AM Susu, I haven't bothered to read your post, just to note that you were the one who walked back into this fireworks stand carring a lit match. Let this stupid thread drop off of the page, will you! All of you! You're eating yourselves alive in here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: CarolC Date: 19 Jun 05 - 11:38 AM Maggie, shut up and mind your own business. Susu, first of all, I would like to point out the fact that I STOPPED posting to this thread THREE DAYS ago. YOU are the one who brought it back to life. Secondly, I was not talking about myself when I said what I did about what "MG" did to the person who experienced the death of a child. Here's what happened. A Mudcatter, one for whom I have a tremendous amount of respect as a human being and as a good man said the following to "Martin Gibson"... On December 18th of 2000 my wife and I held my 5 day old son in my arms while the nurses disconnected him from the life support "miracles" that kept him alive. And I felt no guilt. Six weeks later I watched my Mother die of a brain tumor. I was relieved that she had effective paperwork in place so that the doctor and nurses wouldn't keep her alive beyond the hour that God called her home. I pray you never have the same experiences. I really do pray for you Martin. Because when that time comes you won't be looking for curse words. You'll find a dark quiet corner and try to be alone with your God and your soul and you'll pray - "Dear God - take my loved one now. Don't let them suffer another minute." Trust me Martin - that's what you'll do. "Martin's" response was, "Maybe you should have taken less drugs". Another Mudcatter, a lifelong professional musician who is well loved by many, who has Multiple Sclerosis, is no longer able to do the thing he loves most... play music, and who is able to find some solace from all of this by talking about music here in the Mudct with like-minded people, was being taunted by "Martin Gibson", who was making fun of the fact that this Mudcatter's Multiple Sclerosis was preventing him from being able to play music. This, along with some other kinds of non-specific abuse. There is a Mudcatter who uses a wheelchair because he does not have very good use of his legs due to polio when he was younger. This Mudcatter is a very capable person who has had many fine accomplishments in his life. "Martin Gibson" made fun of this Mudcatter many times by making references to his being incontinent (not able to urinate on his own, in case you don't know what "incontinent" means). Now this Mudcatter is not incontinent, but even if he were, being incontinent due to paralysis is not something people ought to be making fun of (or do you disagree?). NOW... maybe you can just sit back and laugh along with "Martin Gibson", or maybe just not bother to do anything about it while others laugh. I chose not to do this. I chose to stand up to that kind of cruelty. I have no regrets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: bobad Date: 19 Jun 05 - 11:56 AM Let it Be The Beatles (Lennon/McCartney) When I find myself in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be. And in my hour of darkness She is standing right in front of me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be. Let it be, let it be. Whisper words of wisdom, let it be. And when the broken hearted people Living in the world agree, There will be an answer, let it be. For though they may be parted there is Still a chance that they will see There will be an answer, let it be. Let it be, let it be. Yeah There will be an answer, let it be. And when the night is cloudy, There is still a light that shines on me, Shine on until tomorrow, let it be. I wake up to the sound of music Mother Mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be. Let it be, let it be. There will be an answer, let it be. Let it be, let it be, Whisper words of wisdom, let it be |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 19 Jun 05 - 12:32 PM Hehehe |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 19 Jun 05 - 01:31 PM I'm sorry about that last post, the devil made me do it. Seriously folks, I have finally realized that I need help. I thought about a psychiatrist or counselling or a psychologist but decided it would be much wiser to convert to Christianity. Thats right, folks, I have become a Born Again Christian. I hope you will find it in your hearts to forgive me. I am sending the vast fortunes I have made from my WalMart stock to the PLO in hopes that I will find forgiveness in the eyes of the Lord. Never again will I engage in racist stereotypes. I am learning to listen to women and realize that they are not all bimbos. I would especially like Carol C. to forgive me so that we can move on in our lives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Peace Date: 19 Jun 05 - 01:39 PM I bet bucks to donuts that the above post was NOT written by Martin Gibson. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Big Mick Date: 19 Jun 05 - 01:50 PM You would win, brucie. Neither of the last two posts were from Martin. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST Date: 19 Jun 05 - 03:04 PM Its obviously a joke. Good to know that Big Mick will, in the future, tell us when someone is posing as a Mudcat member or even a guest for that matter. Keep up the good work, Big Mick. I always knew that "big brother" was watching over us. Too bad he wasn't as diligent in regards to MG. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: JohnInKansas Date: 19 Jun 05 - 03:08 PM In this thread, posts appear to be in chronological order after
The first number is where the post appears now in the header list of posts. The 20 immediately preceding that one sort to:
The amount of disorder prior to the above 20 posts is pretty much the same for all earlier posts. Since the entire list is about 17 pages in Word, I won't post it all; but the first 20 posts of the thread might help for those who need to figure out how this all got started:
John |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Clinton Hammond Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:14 PM "is not something people ought to be making fun of" Everything can be laughed at, if you're mentally and emotionally healthy enough... and I mean everything... If you can't laugh at it, you're taking it too seriously... This thread for example is a laugh riot! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: CarolC Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:22 PM Nobody should be expected to be a perfect picture of emotional and mental health when they are under extreme stress. Not only is that expectation completely unrealistic, it is also cruel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Clinton Hammond Date: 19 Jun 05 - 04:54 PM It's a cruel world... Learn to live with it or find the door... Your indignation on behalf of others is a joke |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: CarolC Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:10 PM We all have to take responsibility for our decisions and our actions (and inactions). I am willing to take responsibility for mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Peace Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:16 PM I don't find the image of someone who has no legs or someone who is mentally disabled to be the substance for jokes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:31 PM Clinton - It may be a cruel world but most of us rise above it. What has happened in your life that has left you so cold and imbittered? Your negativity is your own worst enemy. Only a saddist laughs at another's pain. Try laughing at your own pain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Dave the Gnome Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:42 PM The point is not winning or losing, Dave. Oh yes? Prove me wrong by not trying to win the point, Carol;-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Clinton Hammond Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:43 PM I do laugh at my own pain... One has to, otherwise it 'gets you' |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: CarolC Date: 19 Jun 05 - 06:46 PM What point, Dave? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: CarolC Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:05 PM Why don't you tell us what the source of your pain is, Clintion, and we can all laugh at that for a while. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Clinton Hammond Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:08 PM You are :-p |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Clinton Hammond Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:08 PM And most of us are already laughing at you |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: CarolC Date: 19 Jun 05 - 07:16 PM Oooohhh... CUT to the quick!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST Date: 19 Jun 05 - 08:08 PM The point is, Clinton, if you tell us what is causing you pain; we can then ridicule your suffering on the world-wide web. C'mon, be a big boy and tell us what it is. If you won't tell us then it is obvious that you do not understand why so many were offended by Martin's comments. If its good enough for others, it should be good enough for you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 19 Jun 05 - 08:59 PM No - Clinton - I don't think that "Everything can be laughed at". I don't think the death of a five day old baby is funny. And since it was MY five day old son - Patrick Tate Smith - born on December 13th at five pounds 10 ounces- that was the subject of the joke I fail to see the humor in it. I find it interesting that you do. So here's something you can laugh at. If I ever get the chance to meet Martin Gibson in person I will give him a poke in the nose and a broken finger on his left hand. And since you find all of this halarious I promise the same treatment for you too. Now most of you reading this may think that I have just made a threat of bodily harm. I HAVE NOT. Only those of you with a highly developed sense of humor like Clinton will realize that I'm only talking about "Three Stooges" type slapstick. You know - the funny "HAHA" jokes when no one really gets hurt. The pie in the face type stuff. Clinton knows what I mean. Because Clinton knows that EVERYTHING is fodder for a joke. Jeez - I'm laughing so hard I can hardly stand it. Clinton - I'll bet you are too. No offense intended - I didn't mean it. This has all been a big joke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: susu Date: 20 Jun 05 - 12:55 AM Okay, I have been called out, and rightly so, but let me say this... Carol tends to come across to me as someone who sends invites to her pity party and then can't understand why no one RSVP's. I think if you are going to get indignant on behalf of others, then at least help the newbies to understand you are being altruistic (that means unselfish in case you don't know what that means CarolC) Now that being said, I didn't post for a couple of days because everytime I tried, my computer stated that "the page could not be displayed", so when I was finally able to post it I guess 3 days went by, I didn't realize there was a time limit on when you could respond to some elses post on here, guess I still have much to learn about 'Cat' etiquette. I could sit here and tell everyone about all the tragedies I have had in MY life but I don't air that kind of stuff to prove a point. Suffice it to say that I have had MANY, some of which are too gruesome for you people to imagine. I try to take each experience and turn it into something positive. But I digress, I DO NOT think that it is okay for someone to make fun of people in the manner in which you discribed CarolC, and (not that you would believe it) my heart goes out to WS for his loss. But hey it doesn't matter, according to some Hubby and I are not real anyway so who cares right? Susu |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Peace Date: 20 Jun 05 - 01:12 AM Susu, CarolC and I have had as many run-ins as you and I (but it took Carol and me two years to reach that number. IMO, she is a highly intelligent, caring and kind individual. I think in your own way you are too. It's time to bury the hetchet--but not in each other. Bruce m |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Jun 05 - 03:58 AM The point that isn't winning or losing, of course, Carol. Try and keep up... :D |
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit From: Big Al Whittle Date: 20 Jun 05 - 04:25 AM Can i have the last word? Kangaroo! |
