BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again

Subject: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: GUEST,Andy
Date: 09 Dec 05 - 11:09 PM

George Bush's handlers, AKA the Texas oil fat cats, raise the price of gas again. Are we going to let him get away with it?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: GUEST,Bobby
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 12:01 AM

Let's hang the sonofabush

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 05:50 AM

You guys don't know how lucky you are.

Here in the UK we are currently paying £4 approximately per gallon, about $7 US.

I don't know exactly where you stand pricewise, but I believe that's about four times more than you pay?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 05:59 AM

Yeah Yeah....everything that goes against what you want......blame Bush for it why don't ya?........What about all his advisors?....What alternative is there?.....What should be done to make the situation right in your expert opinion?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 06:01 AM

You want even cheaper gas?
Move to Saudi Arabia.

You want to stop moaning about it?
Everyone else wants you to.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: saulgoldie
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 07:02 AM

I am sorry, but even as a proud LIBERAL I cannot get up about gas prices. We (in the US) have been paying far less than the world par level for gas since almost forever. This has allowed us to create unsustainable habitat and travel systems. These systems also are responsible for us becoming more personally distant from each other, nevermind being responsible for googobs of pollution and depletion of the Earth's resources, including but not limited to oil.

Back during the first "oil crisis" when we had a clear picture of what the future might hold, we SHOULD have slapped on a huge gas tax to bring our price at the pump up to the prevailing price that others were paying and used the money to sustain and expand transportation alternatives. We missed that opportunity, and we will forever pay the price.

Oil is a limited resource, and we are rapidly approaching the END of it, period. Shrub may be letting the oil companies gouge us temporarily. But the market will make those prices go up and up for the duration, and neither party nor some (superior!) third or fourth party can alter that reality.

So as for the current situation, yes, I would like a excess profits tax, or some such. But do you honestly think Shrub would ever do that? Other'n that, start now driving less and planning for higher gas prices.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 08:53 AM

Ahhhh, when the gas prices got to $3.29 a gallon Bush's approval rating was droppin' l;ike a stone so he had his boys cut the price thinking that would halp his approval rating but ti didn't... So, he says to his buddies, "Heck, that didn't work. Gouge the ungratefull bastards!!!" And so they are...

Funny thing about the prices is that the oil industry hasn't provided an explanation about their historicly high profits during the September Gouge but they sho nuff are plastering the newspspers with lots of full page ads trying to sell themselves agood community minded folks???

Hmmmmmmm???

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 09:01 AM

George Bush isn't raising the gas prices (and here they've just dropped below USD 2.00/gallon US). Bush isn't in a position to do so. You want to blame someone, blame the oil execs.

So go ahead, waste your time on finger pointing and blaming, instead of using your anger (if real!) and energy to solve the problem by developing alternative energy sources, better vehicles, better mass transit, and so on. Things that should have been done, as Saulgoldie says, years ago.

Oh, wait. Sorry. That would take action instead of words, and you'd have to get a good education in math and science first. Why, it would even require WORK!! Okay, just keep being trolls then and let those who can, do.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 09:03 AM

Good news. Until you pay a much higher price for the 25% of world pollution you selfishly produce, the world that's trying to face up to pollution problems is doomed. If you don't set an example NOW to China and india your great grandchildren won't survive to old age.
But then, why should you care eh? Freedom, choice, they're your parrot words aren't they. Okay. so choose planet death and be happy!

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: DougR
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 12:23 PM

No doubt, we ARE spoiled in the U.S. Imagine the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth if WE had to pay $4 per gallon. I think we are pretty lucky.

And Bobert, the newspapers you read probably didn't carry the story, but Bush's approval rating is back up to 42% (even with high gas prices).

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 01:08 PM

I no longer commiserate with the UK as to the higher prices they pay for petrol. It is a totally different approach to issues. The UK pays higher prices at the pump because - and ONLY - because they are paying for more social services via petrol than we do in the US. They are NOT paying more for the petrol itself.

It is the same thing as if in the US we paid $15 for a loaf of bread- and dedicated the overage to health care. We could moan about the price of bread but it would be ridiculous to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Lanfranc
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 07:47 PM

Ebbie

Would it not be a good thing if petrol in the US were taxed up to, say, $6 a US Gallon? Perhaps the taxation might be used to improve your inadequate Medicare and other social services. It might even discourage the use of the 15mpg SUVs and pickups that you selfishly love so much.

Perhaps then we might still have a habitable planet in 100 years or so.

Don't worry, it won't happen, not on Shrub's watch, anyway.

Alan

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 07:55 PM

It hasn't so far happened on anyone's watch.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: jimmyt
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 08:15 PM

Until America has the same prices for fuel as our European counterparts, Americans are not only going to continue driving huge gas guzzling monsters but will also continue to rationalize that it is "Safer " for their children, etc.

It seems like a bunch of baloney to me. We also have very cheap utiiities, so why would we make the effort to insulate better or develop better weatherproof products like the Scandinavians use? right now if the price of fuel went up to $3 it would take several years to recoup the additional cost of a hybrid motor vehicle. Let's face it, we are not as environmentally sensitive because it is not such a hit to our wallets here in America.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: jimmyt
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 08:17 PM

Oh, by the way, it rained really hard 2 days ago, and I am sure that Damn George W Bush is behind it! As well as why I have to wear reading glasses now, and my 34 pants are too tight. And tomatoes do not have an much flavor as they use to!

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 08:20 PM

I noticed that about the tomatoes. My 34 pants are OK again, but that's from something beyond my control.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 08:23 PM

I remember 34 pants. They were too long and I had to have them taken up.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 08:30 PM

HA!

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 08:30 PM

If it's any consolation the tomatoes in the UK are tasteless too. They are like balls of water with pips.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 08:51 PM

It's because they've been bred to ship well, and hang the flavor!

I'm growing my own, or eating romas, these days.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: jimmyt
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 09:39 PM

I do think, regardless of my tongue-in-cheek comments about tomatoes that they are quite bland compared to the old rutgers and marglobes we grew in the garden in the 50s and 60s. I notice when we are travelling that thae tomato taste in Italy is largely the same as we used to get in AMerica. Same goes with so many products now that are grown and picked for shipping and not for taste. Or maybe I am just getting whiney in my old age? jimmyt

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 10:52 PM

It's the thongs, jimmy. They're too tight.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: GUEST,Andy
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 12:18 AM

I don't care if the banking industry makes an 18% profit, The drug indusrty makes a 20% profit and the oil companys make 8.7% I am still more pissed of at the oil industry because they are too cozy with Bush.

I don't mind paying $5 for a pill and 20% interest on my credit card, Its the $2.25 a gallon that I have to payfor gas thatt makes me want to impeach GWB.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 01:02 AM

Lots of issues here.

Rap, in Idaho you are again paying *below* $2.00 a gallon? What kind of clout does your Senator have? In Juneau, Alaska, a few minutes ago, I noted that our prices range from $2.62 to $2.81. Far cry from below $2.00 but better than the $3.10 we'd had before.

Lanfranc, not all Americans have a "selfish love" of or even own an SUV or gas guzzling behemoth of any kind. I, for one, sold my car (which got 36 to 42 mpg) 17 years ago and I get around on foot, on the bus, by cab or by friends. I am not alone. My smallish (30000) town supports 3 cab companies, which tells me that many people here do not own their own cars. Blanket assertions have a lot of holes in them and tend to wear thin.

I don't hold a brief for SUVs in urban areas but Yukies often do not have a clue as to what our situation is. Our land mass, compared with yours, is huge. If you wanted to drive to Ireland (OK, take the ferry) and Scotland and Wales and planned to spend two days in each country before your return to central London, how much time would it take? Two weeks? 10 days? Forget about our plans to visit Mexico and Canada by car and then return to downtown Topeka, Kansas (pretty central US)- (that's formidable) instead, think of driving just from Topeka to Maine or to Washington DC orto Seattle or to Los Angeles... If you left Topeka and wanted to spend two days at Kendall and Jacqui's house in Maine before you returned home, you would have been gone about 10 days right there. If you left Topeka and headed for Juneau, Alaska you have a couple of options: drive the Alcan through Canada and then at a certain intersection head south. After about 500 miles you come to a seaport where you will put your vehicle on the ferry and travel on the water for 6 hours before you finally arrive in Juneau. You will have travelled about 2,000 miles. Or you can drive to Seattle/Bellingham, Washington state, put your car on the ferry and three days later arrive in Juneau. From Kansas to Juneau going that route you will have travelled about 3,000 miles. Mind you, these are not kilometres.

My point is that travel in the US is not a small matter of driving 50 or 100 miles. If that is the distance you need to go, an itty bitty car will do. If you're driving 3000 miles an SUV or a camper van or something large than a teacup is a heck of a lot more comfortable.   

In tightly populated regions there are more trains (In Juneau we have zero train track) but they tend not to go into the hinterlands. And given our land mass, an awful lot of our driving is into and through the hinterlands.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 12:08 PM

It's simple - Stay at home.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 12:27 PM

Easy for you to say, Strollin' Johnny. :)

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 02:39 PM

Its the $2.25 a gallon that I have to payfor gas thatt makes me want to impeach GWB.

I despair! Have you read
ANY of the above?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:28 PM

Dunno who you're speaking to, Guest 2:39, but did YOU notice that in Juneau we pay a good deal more? Must admit, though, that I don't expect him to be impeached - if ever, about anything - for the high price of gas.

Couple of years ago in California, the oil/electricity industry created artificial -and criminal - shortages and high prices. Nobody went to jail. The citizens, of course, drove the Governor out of office and thought they had resolved the problems. Ha, I say.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:34 PM

The moaning bushites show their lack of education.

Please go back to school and sign up for Economics 101.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:38 PM

That's my contention too. The Bushites (see, I'm willing to capitalize you) definitely need more education.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:09 PM

They've already been to Harvard, Ebbie.

George Bush did not raise gas prices. Supply and demand affects it just like other commodities traded on an open exchange, as well as world events that either bolster or diminish confidence.

The total morons who are saying that Bush is raising prices now haven't a clue that today's gas prices were determined by the price of crude oil about 2 months ago.

These handwringers should go back to drinking their lattes and playing their lutes with their jester hats on.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:59 PM

duh

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 02:07 AM

"George Bush did not raise gas prices. Supply and demand affects it just like other commodities traded on an open exchange, as well as world events that either bolster or diminish confidence.

.........today's gas prices were determined by the price of crude oil about 2 months ago."

Well stated MG 100% Correct.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 10:28 AM

Eihter way, would any of the Bushiotes mind if the governemnt audited big oil's books for the last quarter in which unpredidented profits were reported???...

Any one also wonder why the oil companies are spending so much money on full page ads in major newspapers these day extoling their community mindedness???...

And ifm after an audit, it was found that big oil manipulated prices so as to gouge consumer's, would any Bushites here find anything wrong with imposing a retroactive windwall profits tax on that portion of ther price hikes that weren't subject to the usual ups and downs based solely on supply/demand???...

Just a few questions here this mornin' for the Bush-heads to ponder...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:08 AM

You're right Ebbie, but what prompted me to say 'stay at home' was the stuff somebody said about a 3,000-mile-drive. Who in their right mind would want to drive 3,000 miles? And why? Get on a train, or a bus (or even a plane?)

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:10 AM

So long as any audit takes account of the amount of messing around with oil prices committed by govements as well. The oil copmpanies are not whiter than white, but neither are politicians.

Stop for a moment and think which goverments tinker with the oil market.

OPEC are the biggest example, openly aiming to rig the market, and almost every other major player is at it as well, sticking a sudden windfall tax on the oil companies*, or relesing reserves for a few weeks to help with a cold snap or opinion poll.

This will not stop so long as oil is so vital to us.

* the UK, Venezeula, and possibly Nigera, have all put major new taxes on oil production recently.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:11 AM

Especially who would want to drive 3,000 miles at the crawl you guys have to drive at over there! Crawling around in a huge gas-guzzling shed-on-wheels at 60 mph can't be any fun at all! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: number 6
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:40 AM

"The total morons who are saying that Bush is raising prices now haven't a clue that today's gas prices were determined by the price of crude oil about 2 months ago."

Your correct on that MG ... it's the oil companies (and they are not all U.S companies at that) and the organizations that control and own the land were the pumps are that are setting the price on the demands. If one has complaints, complain directly to your government ... try being more resourceful. I hear all this squawking, but I couldn't help but notice while in Boston last September when it was at it's highest price per gallon the amount people driving 30 miles over the limit and the size of their vehicles.

"These handwringers should go back to drinking their lattes and playing their lutes with their jester hats on." ... LOL, good one MG !!!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: number 6
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:45 AM

" If one has complaints, complain directly to your government ..." meaning tell them you don't like what these companies are doing' but don't blame the government directly.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 01:44 PM

Strollin' Johnny, you obviously don't understand us! *G* A car trip, with all its segues to Aunt Matilda and college friends and Cousin Rupert and stops at National Parks and the far reaches to states one has never been in before, in this country cannot be replicated by air or train or bus.

Besides which, there is a tradition of car travel in this country that many people thoroughly enjoy. Even just the mechanics of driving is enjoyable. When I lived in Oregon I criss crossed the state repeatedly, routinely putting on 2000 miles a month.

As to 'crawling' along, where many people go it is untrammelled- we head for the open spaces. Only in heavily populated areas is speed seriously impacted by traffic. Don't judge the experience by those.

And what do you mean by denigrating "60mph"? On the interstate highways, posted speeds are higher but on most state highways and definitely on country roads, the posted limit is 55mph and there are times you don't want to go even that fast.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: saulgoldie
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 02:24 PM

A fine time to be letting the bus companies drop smaller cities and towns for which the bus is the ONLY way out for many residents too poor to own a car, or to savage the national rail system which a lot of people like to use instead of car travel or (energy wasteful and environmentally horrible!) air travel.

Seems that the trains are excessively subsidized, whereas that airports and roads manage to support themselves. And the buses are just crumbling under the "free market system" that operates in a pure and unadulterated manner here is the US--NOT!!

More complete and utter lack of vision from the Bush admin. No surprises here.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:05 PM

Local and state taxation can have significant impact.

The difference in a gallon between Chicago proper and well into an outlying county can be as much as .40

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:17 PM

Only a socialist nation is obligated to supply transportation to it's citizens.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Dec 05 - 11:59 PM

Now that was truly profound, Old Guy. Not.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 04:17 AM

Hi Ebbie - simply saying that, when you're only pootling around at 55 - 60 mph, a huge gas-guzzling engine's totally unneccessary, just burning lots of the Earth's dwindling resources for no reason. Get smaller cars with leaner engines, use public transport, forget about 3,000-mile drive-arounds undertaken just for the hell of it - you twerps are raping the planet and soon there won't be any gas left for you to moan about the price! How will you get to visit college friends and Aunt Matilda then? Walk? Wagon Train?

You people seriously need to get real - it'll be no good rattling on about your 'right' to drive around in stupid oversized vehicles when oil's run out or the ice caps have melted (whichever comes the sooner!).

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 10:22 AM

I'm thinkin'.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 10:26 AM

Glad at least one American is! Shame about the other few hundred million. You're running toward the precipice like lemmings, but it won't be that f**king indan's name you'll all be shouting as you go over, it'll be "It was my right to burn up all the oil". And it'll be too late! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 11:11 AM

If Bush was really responsible for the rising gas prices this would be a rare decision by him that I could wholeheartily support. Rising gas prices would make the alternatives competitive, would reduce the US consummation of energy, ...

If he could do that and would do that in a way that really starts hurting he'd more than make up for not signing the Kyoto protocol.

But it's only a dream that I could sing his praise for such a deed. Actually, this thread is only about someone who does not understand what he reads.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 11:34 AM

Strollin' Johnny, tell me about some of your bad habits. You guys got none? And given the opportunity, would develop none?

(Sometimes the best defense...)

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 12:09 PM

LOL Ebbie! Yep, you're right, we're no angels and we do some reckless things (like putting our heads above the parapet on Mudcat!). LOL again!.

Just seems to me that the richest and most powerful nation on Earth should be giving a lead over this issue (and the pollution issue too) but instead they just witter on about their 'rights' and make excuses about how big their country is, and it's too uncomfortable to do a 3,000 mile drive in a small car. Unfortunately nature doesn't give a rat's arse about the 'rights' of Americans - when the oil's gone, it'll be gone, and no amount of weeping and wailing will cure that. It'll be a feckin' sight more uncomfortable doing that road trip on a bicycle!

Same with global warming - Yanks will starve and drown and die of skin cancer just like the rest of us. You people really must wake up before it's too late. But I reckon you personally know that already?
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Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 12:43 PM

Yep. There aren't too many of us who don't know.

Your wish or expectation that the "richest and most powerful nation on Earth" should lead the way, unfortunately does not reflect history. Rich, powerful nations typically run themselves into the ground. I wish the USA were an exception.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 01:02 PM

The US compared to the European Kyoto signatories, coutesy of Mark Steyn, Daily Telegraph, 6th December, 2005:

"In the past third of a century, the American economy has swollen by 150 per cent, automobile traffic has increased by 143 per cent, and energy consumption has grown 45 per cent.

During this same period, air pollutants have declined by 29 per cent, toxic emissions by 48.5 per cent, sulphur dioxide levels by 65.3 per cent, and airborne lead by 97.3 per cent.

Despite signing on to Kyoto, European greenhouse gas emissions have increased since 2001, whereas America's emissions have fallen by nearly one per cent, despite the Toxic Texan's best efforts to destroy the planet."

So Wolfgang, compared to those who signed up for Kyoto it would appear that the US approach to the problem via technology and including the "major-players-in-waiting" (India, China and Brazil) seems to be having some effect. While those in Europe do the same with Kyoto as they do with all that "hard-and-fast" EU regulation, they simply play lip service to it without intending to actually comply with it. No fear when targets are not achieved, they will be revised, to be ignored once again.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: GUEST,Me
Date: 13 Dec 05 - 01:07 PM

You mean to tell me you still rely on figures? Figures that can be sabotaged, figures tha can be manipulated to suit the market. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 04:44 AM

Wise words Ebbie.
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Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Stu
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 05:19 AM

"If you're driving 3000 miles an SUV or a camper van or something large than a teacup is a heck of a lot more comfortable.

Ebbie, this argument just does not hold up at all. If you need to travel 3000 miles by car then don't travel in one that does 15mpg. If the most technologically advance country in the world cannot solve this problem, then who can? But the US does not lead the way in this regard. I believe you should be paying $7 a gallon for your petrol - it would make many of your countrymen think twice about taking that huge Oldsmobile out for a spin again. It would hammer the poor as usual, but the poor are an essential part of the capitalist system so who cares about them?

SUVs are about status full stop. I don't care if you drive down the road or across a continent, that is no excuse for wanton wastage in the name of comfort. Anyway, why not make a comfortable car that is efficient too?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:52 PM

I don't own a SUV. I never have. I probably never will. And I agree that they are being used in illogical ways.

However, they do have their uses. My daughter and her husband have three children. These kids are involved in everything from football to ballet (not necessarily the same kids). Each kid is allowed one major commitment and my daughter drives them around numbteen times a week.

They have a 9-passenger SUV and very frequently it is full. She also drives other people's kids on a regular schedule.

My daughter homeschools three days a week and drives the children to Charter school on the other days. This allows them the socialization of their peers as well as field trips that are prohibitively expensive individually.

So, I don't know. I don't have a SUV. I don't need a SUV. My daughter does.



My daughter drives them all over

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 07:18 PM

Point is Ebbie, that lifestyle you describe is only sustainable because of the SUV. Take the vehicle away and society would adopt another lifestyle. There is nothing about the way we live that cannot be changed for another way of living, and if we don't, we're dead, it's that simple.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: JennyO
Date: 14 Dec 05 - 10:14 PM

Before SUV's people used to drive bunches of kids around in old vans and station wagons. While they may have their uses, far too many people around here use it as a yuppiemobile. At least half of the vehicles picking up kids on Sydney's north shore are SUV's. There have been a few nasty accidents here too, where someone in an SUV has backed over a child. They are so high that the visibility out the back is poor for seeing a short person.

I myself have a Ford station wagon which I am very happy with. It's great for going to festivals and camping. It's still a gas guzzler compared to smaller cars, but not as bad as an SUV. I wouldn't have one of those if you paid me.

Jenny

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:50 AM

Well let's hope GWB continues to put gas prices up - to a level where cost overcomes penis-dissatisfaction and status-awareness, and they start coming to their senses.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:27 PM

Strollin' Johnny, only a man would have come up with the concept of 'penis envy'. *G*

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush is raising gas prices again
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:49 PM

I think I said 'dissatisfaction' Ebbie, not envy - isn't that a psychological condition restricted to those who don't have a penis? Was that a Freudian slip on your part? LOL! Just kiddin'!
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