BS: Israel's Sharpville

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 May 18 - 08:27 AM

DtG - Yes.. I agree.. He should be could shouldered..
but he hasn't the sense or self respect to take the hint and move on to pastures new...

Anyway, as he seems to be such a fan of Dad's Army [or at least the song]...

To paraphrase the immortal words of Lance Corporal Jack Jones

""He don't like it up 'im...!!!""

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 18 - 08:28 AM

I think that responding to Keith at his level is a waste of time and a recipe for thread closure
There has to be a point where this forum ups its game and ostracises completely those whose behaviour damages it or it is pointless

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 18 - 08:30 AM

Sorry didn't finish
It's totally unfair to land the Mods with these problems
We cause the mess, we need to clean it up
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 May 18 - 09:07 AM

PFR, I do not report anything to the mods.
You are behaving like Greg did. I doubt they needed anyone to tell them what he was doing.

Jim, YOUR post was identified by Joe as killing the thread closed yesterday.
It was a very long post. Screenfuls of text, but not one word was about the subject.
It was all about another poster.

We know what sort of stuff people post. We read it.
We do not need you to produce vast compilations in an attemt to smear them.

Whatever you think about people, just argue against them.
Make your own case.

(That of course is the problem. You can not.)

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: bobad
Date: 09 May 18 - 09:14 AM

Why.. are you going to report me to the authorities,
as if you were one of the despicable conformist cowards denouncing neighbours in WW2 Germany...?????

Good one PFR.......I'll save it for the next time your cronies Carroll and Shaw threaten same.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 18 - 09:15 AM

I see it's a waste of time attempting to get Keith to behave decently, which makes my point
I await to hear from the serious members
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 18 - 09:15 AM

Isn't it funny how the one person who repeatedly says that his arguments are not his own but those of people reported in the press is now advising others to make their own case. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 May 18 - 10:02 AM

bob - "cronies"... hah, that's a good 'un...!!!!

To quote myself from the same post I just reminded someone else of...

"Your usual gang may no doubt rally round in your defence
and launch a vile co-ordinated counter attack..."

Though in this instance, a comical counter attack...

..and to quote from another of my more recent posts...

"...you 2 joined at the hip, or communicating by telepathy...!!!???

popping up together like whack-a-mole..."

As if by magic, now up pops bob to the rescue of his little whack-a-mole buddy...


BTW.. you can copy and use any of my posts you like,
if it saves you the trouble and effort of original thought...

..after all even I'm doing it today..

Well... all that needs to be said to sly weasel, has been already said so many times before..
and he's never been adverse to endlessly reposting his same limited vocabulary garbage word for word from thread to thread...
over and over again..............

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 10:25 AM

Cronies?... Not once have pfr and I ever communicated in private, and I think Jim may have PMed me once, about six years ago.... with cronies like that, who needs distant acquaintances?    :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 May 18 - 10:39 AM

Steve - I have a PM count of 36 in approx 15 years of mudcat membership...
Half are my polite replies, where I usually mention I'm not fond of the PM system
and prefer open transparent communications in public on the forum...

Neither have I ever done any social networks because I am such a stubborn asocial recluse...

Sorry, folks will have to look elsewhere for a conspiring crony...

mind you... Tinder looks interesting..
so how do you go about taking good selfies that knock about 40 years off...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 18 - 10:44 AM

how do you go about taking good selfies that knock about 40 years off.

Steal someone elses? Bit like knocking off other peoples ideas and then passing them off as your own until someone else complains :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 18 - 02:58 PM

"The other reason I am considering not being here is I so longer think I am prepared to tolerate the racism that is allowed to be displayed - by Keith and by Iains
The latter, a serial hurler of abuse from day one has now targeted Travellers and the Mods have refused to do anything about either this or his seria
Why do you bring in items from other threads. Can you not read what was said in the thread you caused to close?

Well little jimmie you are a serial gobshite and pretend you have never handed out insults. Are you so stupid you cannot recognise your own failings.
You are the racist, your are the bigoted old fool
You are the one that hurls insults about like confetti
You are the one blind to the fact you are a thoroughly nasty piece of   worke and have not the slightest idea of how to debate anything.
And before you act the little innocent again here is a sampling of your insults from just one section of one thread:
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 02:57 PM
Make up your fucking mind you mad fascist
You really are the Full Monty as far as right wing extremism goes
Jim Carroll
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 06:56 PM
Try not to talk to people and remember you are a mental midget Iaians
People with far more knowledge and experience have had their fingers burned on this forum by forgetting their place.
You really are an obnoxiously smug bastard, aren't you - what a pity your contributions don't live up to your posturing - especially regarding your supporst for a mass murder and torturer.
Christ - what a team - racists, fascists and moronic bullies who think they know more than anyone else after five minutes posting.
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 27 Feb 17 - 03:33 AM
Will you kindly fuck off with your arrogant ranting - it impresses nobody
You have always dismissed anything from the press that does not suit your extremist agenda - submarines, Bin Laden..... all "made up Carroll shit"
You wre given links to article afte atricle about Bin Laden and it was all wrong as far as yoiu are concerned and here you are defending one of Britain's most popular bumwipes
If you feel free to call someone a "loutish posturing liar" don't be surprised when they feel free to express their opinion of you
You are a crude, brutish, ill-bred, ill mannered ignoramus who substitutes vitriolic abuse for argument in the hope of covering up your lack of knowledge
Give it a rest and stop polluting this forum
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 28 Feb 17 - 05:32 AM

"More misrepresentation and dissembling from one of the forum's best known and most widely exposed lying toerags."
I'll take that as a noo then
Piss off you pair of racist pricks
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 03:04 PM
Piss of and go and persecute Muslim families that can't fight back - that seems to be what turns you on.
Jim Carroll
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 03:53 AM
"This perfectly illustrates the persistence and obsessiveness of Jew hating ideologue"
You are a hypoctite as well as an anti-Semite

and if you are serious about leaving let me wish you bon voyage with one of your own posts.
Will you kindly fuck off with your arrogant ranting - it impresses nobody

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 03:04 PM

Knock it off please, Iains. You saw what happened when Jim did that yesterday. I've discovered that you are more than capable of civil discourse. That post does nothing except give you some kind of perverse satisfaction. It does diddly squat for anybody else here. Think about outcomes. And you haven't shouted at me for weeks so don't start now.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 May 18 - 03:06 PM

Iains - if you and Jim can sort out your differences as well as expedient..
I'm keen on the two of you remaining, as I can learn from both of you...


..and if bob wasn't so tied up with K***,
i'm optimistic enough to think me and him might find some common grounds...???

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 18 - 03:20 PM

After a day's search you came up with THOSE
THey wouldn't measure up to the contents of a couple of the hundreds of posting of yours I put up ( a fraction of what you actually posted) and you will not find a trace of anti Irish/Traveller/ageist contenbts in any of them

You posted that much on the first thread you were involved in
Thank you for making my point so well
Pathetic

Do you really not see the crass utter stupidity of beginning a posting accusing somebody of insulting with

Well little jimmie you are a serial gobshite and pretend you have never handed out insults. Are you so stupid you cannot recognise your own failings.
You are the racist, your are the bigoted old fool
You are the one that hurls insults about like confetti
You are the one blind to the fact you are a thoroughly nasty piece of   worke and have not the slightest idea of how to debate anything.
And before you act the little innocent again here is a sampling of your insults from just one section of one thread:
Will you kindly fuck off with your arrogant ranting - it impresses nobody

Obviousy not
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 18 - 03:29 PM

I can hand out abuse, I can take abuse. But terms like racist have no place here. I dislike the term and all that it implies and if someone is going to bandy it about with zero justification they need to be publicly hung out to dry. I have invited little jimmie the ranter to justify his accusations several times but thus far silence. I take great exception to being labelled racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 03:37 PM

So you call him "little jimmie." That'll fix everything then.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 18 - 03:38 PM

Copy and paste and the red paintbox. Wow! I am impressed. Two things simultaneously. A crying shame you cannot apply the same skills to reading and understanding. What does it take to penetrate that numbskull of yours jimmie? If you are going, just go! You will not be missed. You are like one of those tiresome old hasbeens that just keeps coming back, and will not retire.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 18 - 04:11 PM

Is it a full moon or something in the water? We have people ranting and raving at each other down here and I am even attracting trolls with something as inane as Eurovision above the line :-(

Just stop and think for a minute people. As Joe says, why take it all so seriously? We are a minority forum for a minority music genre. The issues we bring up may be serious but no one reads about them here. We are not going to change anyone's mind, let alone the world, by getting hot under the collar and hurling abuse about.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 18 - 05:13 PM

I reckon   your last two postings measure up to about half of what you manage to have dredegd up of several years of mine -and each one of them if far mor insulting thna I have ever posted
Silly, silly boy

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 05:21 PM

I'm getting depressed now.

Great post, Dave. Did I ever tell you about the to-die-for Lubborn Creamery Camembert that Morrisons sell for £2.66?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 May 18 - 05:26 PM

Why have mods booted the Eurovision thread down into the midst of all this madness...???????

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 18 - 05:52 PM

Jim you are so busy acting like a rotweiler with rabies you cannot see the obvious. You are so stupid you even post one of your own insults pretending I authored it. You call me a mental midget and then accuse me of talking down to you. This again demonstrates your acute stupidity. Do you seriously think anyone here really wants to wade through your copy and paste jobbies? You insult just about anyone that has the temerity to dispute your point of view. I too can copy and paste, and as I carefully pointed out, I just took a couple of   your offerings from one thread over several days. Out of your 23000 postings think how many more I could find. But no one is interested, certainly not me. Why can you not present an argument without bullying, exaggeration and bluster? Why do you feel it necessary to use inflammatory terms like racist and anti-semite? How many people have to point out your shortcomings before you take notice? Do you actually understand what the words mean? You spend more time here complaining about other posters than you do saying anything useful.
The sad thing is that all these shortcomings you accuse other people of, you are guilty of yourself. Do you ever proofread before you post?
Do you   consider what you have written. I suggest you look up the words troll, flame, exaggeration, lie,racist, antisemite and discover what they actually mean. You are very good at trying to portray the little innocent that is hard done by and trying for the sympathy vote of poor little me. But you fool no one and introducing material from one thread to another is merely flamebaiting and is a technique you use frequently.
Try sorting out your own behaviour before having the audacity to criticise others.

John 8.7
Luke 6:42

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 06:29 PM

Not worth it Iains not worth it Iains not worth it Iains not worth it Iains not worth it Iains not worth it Iains not worth it Iains not worth it Iains not worth it Iains not worth it Iains
not worth it Iains not worth it Iains been there done it got the t-shirt not worth it Iains not worth it Iains been there done it got the t-shirt know what I mean know what I mean know what I mean innit innit innit same with you Jim same with you Jim same with you Jim let's play a tune...tune...tune...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 May 18 - 06:47 PM

Stuff all this petty drama..
A far worse international crisis is unfolding...

Why have yank mods kicked the Eurovision Song Contest Thread down here into the abyss of BS...!!!?????

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 18 - 06:54 PM

Now then Mr. Shaw! I still have one barrel in reserve. I will be forced to give you my troll in aspic recipe. It goes well with assorted capers served with a tad of Dijon mustard.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 May 18 - 06:57 PM

Btw.. Israel is through to the final...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 18 - 07:03 PM

"Jim you are so busy acting like a rotweiler with rabies you cannot see the obvious."
I suggest you read through the the insulting postings you have made on this forum, which now exceed those of mine you have managed to dredge up from several years back
"Out of your 23000 postings think how many more I could find" feel free to do so - you obviously worked at today's pathetic collection and have exceeded them in a couple of days
I, and I am sure others, have become more than used to your serial abusive nature - we all abuse each other at times - you appear to have no control over your own abusive behavior as you are proving here
You are a racist and you have chosen to target people I care about - that is what is what concerns me - what was it - the Travellers who gave us so much of our traditional songs and music are THIEVES AND RUBBISH SPREADERS - how is that not racist?
I believe racism, sectarianism and hatred of minorities has no place on a public forum - especially when it is regarded as illegal outside the safety of the internet
I would be obliged if, if you have nothing to say on the subject in hand, you take your apparently uncontrollable abuse and your racism elsewhere and let those who do get on with it - please
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 07:18 PM

Dijon my arse, Iains. Colman's squeezy bottle or nothing. Assorted capers my arse. Only the nonpareil for me and for the rest of the gastronomic in-crowd. And tap that barrel and grab two pint glasses. I promise to leave you a pint or three for tomorrow's breakfast (though I've been known to make rash promises like that before...)

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 18 - 07:21 PM

Iains
Not keeping score but -
One posting from the last few postings you have made

One posting
Well little jimmie, serial gobshite, so stupid you cannot recognise your own failings, racist, bigoted, old fool, a thoroughly nasty piece of work, not the slightest idea of how to debate anything, Will you kindly fuck off with your arrogant ranting - it impresses nobody,

Three more
little jimmie, A crying shame you cannot apply the same skills to reading and understanding , numbskull, tiresome old hasbeens that just keeps coming back, and will not retire, acting like a rotweiler with rabies, stupid, acute stupidity, You are very good at trying to portray the little innocent that is hard done by and trying for the sympathy vote of poor little me. But you fool no one and introducing material from one thread to another is merely flamebaiting and is a technique you use frequently.   

Perhaps we might leave it there
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 18 - 07:25 PM

I believe Joe requested words like racist were not used. You have repeatedly accused me of being a racist since Joe posted.
Do you have shit for brains jimmie?
or do you simply think you can do whatever you like here?
You infect every thread you infest, just like a rather nasty antisocial rash. Even aids now has a cure but you..........?????????

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 07:30 PM

Agreed, pfr. As the only mods I know about are yanks, this has the makings of a major international incident. These people know not what they do. There will be sanctions, tariffs and Stones tour cancellations. They may argue that Eurovision is not music, but have they actually HEARD Bellowhead??

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 18 - 07:32 PM

Anyone else ever felt the effect of trying to piss into a strong wind...?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 18 - 02:49 AM

I apologise (again) to other posters that this dispute has spread to yet another thread - I half expected to find this one closed this morning
This will be my last (general) word on the matter here, then I propose we take it elsewhere

"Racism"
It is impossible, in my opinion, to remove the term "racism" from any discussion about Israel as that, I believe is one of the main features of what is happening there at present - towards Palestinians by Israel, in the form of ethnic cleansing and vice versa, as Israel's use of the Jewish people as an excuse for their policies has led to an inevitable rise in antisemitism - the oldest form of racism/cultural hatred.
Removing the term from these subjects would be like the old radio game where the competitors are forbidden to use the words "yes" or "no" (wonder how many are old enough to remember that one!)
Far from banning the term, I honestly believe that racism should merit a thread of its own as it is becoming a common phenomenon, on this forum and in everyday life.

"Travellers"
I feel that if some of the ideas that have been raised here persist, "Travellers" will become as taboo a subject as has "Ewan MacColl" and "folk song" definition, which is utterly ridiculous on a forum whose raison d'être is folk and traditional arts
The Travelling People and the folk arts are inseparable and running the risk of distasteful arguments such as this every time they are mentioned is out of the question.
This particular row sprang to life when I mentioned the killing of a Traveller on the now closed thread about violence and gun crime - it should never have done so and would not have done if my bringing the killing had been accepted as I intended it to be.
Discussions on Travellers and our treatment of other cultures and races must be subjects we can discuss without this unpleasantness (and maybe the now all-too-regular ugly-head-raising of ageism can be added to this while we're at it).
I intend to open a thread on Travellers in the near future (if I can decide which section to do so) - I would hate that our animosities should infect the Folklore/music section

"Thread closures"
One of the other casualties of this dispute was the important discussion on how threads got closed - this surely deserves a perma-thread rather than a growing line of dead threads
We all need to consider how we react to each other aand how we deal with our own and other posters reactions to views we don's agree with - and in the long run, how persistent over-the-line-steppers are dealt with
If we don't, this section of Mudcat, or the forum itself, can serve no useful purpose

Now - can we move back to the subject of this thread please ?
If anybody has any more to say about these topics, can I suggest that they open a thread on them or PM what they have to say.
Again, I apologise for my part in this - I do not exclude my own behaviour from any of this
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 May 18 - 03:17 AM

PFR - The Eurtovision one was moved because of an outbreak of guest trolls including ake who has been banned from down here. It is the only way to prevent them from infecting threads at the moment. I did ask for it to be moved so bon't blame the mods. I worked out that they would have to spend an inordinate amount of time monitoring the thread to remove the crap. Not worth it for such an inane subject.

Steve - I am banned from keeping Camembert in the house. The only way Mrs G will allow it is chained up in a lead box in the back yard.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 18 - 03:23 AM

" it is chained up in a lead box in the back yard."
Hope you remember to feed it regularly
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 May 18 - 03:50 AM

Camembert is for wusses, get something really pungent in, like Stinking Bishop, Limburger, or Vieux Lille

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Iains
Date: 10 May 18 - 03:57 AM

No one wants to see any words or labels censored. But if they are used they need to have a justifiable context. Applying labels to posters simply because they have a counter view requires a demonstrable audit trail in order to justify the application. If a clear justification cannot be seen the derogatory labels should not be used.
No one hurls the term paedophile around indiscriminately. Similarly any other inflammatory terms should be used carefully and only when it is abundantly clear that the usage is both apt and accurate.
Accuracy of application in this case means it can be clearly seen, not that you think it can be seen. Be very clear you understand what was actually written, not what you think was written. If you refuse to acknowledge the validity of countering points of view be even more careful before attaching labels. Just be aware that perception of reality is governed as much by belief system as physical manifestation.
The more blinkered the outlook, the more radical the view, the more extreme the language used. A dangerous trap that just invites a "robust" response if erroneous conclusions are drawn!

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 May 18 - 03:58 AM

As I always comment when the conversation turns to coagulated dairy products. The further you get from Lancashire. The worse the cheese gets.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 May 18 - 04:17 AM

They make some fabulous cheese in Tasmania these days though.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 18 - 04:18 AM

Can we take this elsewhere Iains (and cheese)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 18 - 04:20 AM

Unless Israel is now using Gorgonzola instead of White phosphorus on the Palestinians, that is!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 18 - 04:38 AM

Iran and Israel are exchanging blows across the Syrian border, but there is no cheese issue that I am aware of.
Enjoy your little games.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Iains
Date: 10 May 18 - 04:40 AM

I see an Israeli airbase has been targeted overnight. The Israeli response is multiple attacks on Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/426325-massive-attack-israel-syria/

This potentially is a very dangerous escalation.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 18 - 04:59 AM

"I see an Israeli airbase has been targeted overnight"
The situation has been made even more dangerous by Trump's No-brain abandoning of the Iran disarmament deal.
Two unstable regimes with religious leanings who are already in conflict realy do suggest that Dame Vera Lynn should be practicing her VOICE EXERCISES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Iains
Date: 10 May 18 - 05:37 AM

Obviously not just the Palestinians hacked off with Israel. Netan the big yahoo has generated some real retaliation. Sadly Trump backtracking on the Iran deal is perceived as tacit agreement for Israel to run amok. Be nice to see a UN peacekeeping force take over Israel and smack a few politicion's heads. Otherwise Armageddon is likely coming to a town near you!

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201805101064305943-explosions-heard-border-sirens-active/

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 18 - 05:54 AM

Run amok?
Iran is doing a better impression of that.
It is fighting for Assad in Syria and for the rebels in Yemen and active in Lebanon.
It is building up forces against Israel inside Syria. (Anti-air and anti-tank weaponry is not needed to fight the Syrian rebels.)

BBC today,
"Iran is Israel's arch-foe and has repeatedly called for an end to the existence of the Jewish state.
It is a key ally of Syria's president and has deployed hundreds of troops to the country. It says they are there as military advisers to the Syrian military.
Thousands of militiamen armed, trained and financed by Iran have also been fighting alongside the Syrian army.
While supporting Mr Assad, Iran has significantly increased its military presence in Syria - something Israel considers a direct threat.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has previously warned that Israel might go to war with Iran "sooner rather than later" to stop it attacking."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44063022

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 May 18 - 06:08 AM

In my more whimsical moments I start to ponder on things such as, when is Donald Trump going to play fair and be just as nasty to Israel as he is to Eye-ran, considering that Israel is about thirty years ahead of Eye-ran in possessing nuclear weapons that the world community says it is forbidden to possess...

"But Steve," said the Israel apologists, smiling indulgently, " you don't understand..."

So tell me why I don't!

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 May 18 - 06:13 AM

The Israeli airbase which was hit was of course in Syrian territory.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Iains
Date: 10 May 18 - 06:18 AM

Keith I notice you carefully omit to say who has a legal mandate to be present in the countries you mention and who are the illegal warmongers. Iran is legally aiding its allies, in Syria and the Yemen, all other participants are involved in an illegal war. No matter how many times you try to repaint the picture, the underlying reality, that I outline, is the correct one. By ignoring this fact like well indoctrinated little sheople you are sleepwalking into a bigger nightmare. If the wars had validity they would have UN sanction. They do not.