BS: Israel's Sharpville

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 03 May 18 - 02:13 AM

The only country I have seen recently threatening to annihilate another sovereign state is the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 18 - 03:15 AM

It was an empty threat, but I do dare sometimes, Jim! Seems to have calmed down a bit since last night. Bobad has reduced the idiocy, Bruce has desisted from his silly habit of capitalising words and Keith has shut up. All we need now is a breath of fresh air. Keep it up, pfr!

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 03:24 AM

"..... he can’t disagree with, he can ask for it to be closed rather than change his mind."
I have never asked for a thread to be closed and am not about to do so now
You and your friends on the other hand regularly revert to personal abuse when you find yourselves at a loss - that is tantamount to closings threads
As I requested about your accusations of lying - please do not accuse me of things I don't do - I don't lie and I don't deliberately close threads
How dare you constantly accuse me of things I have never done - including "Haring the Jews"
You are, of course free to prove examples of things I can't disagree with - but you won't - they don't exist either other than in your mind
Let's push on
"I have not seen any threats from Israel to annihilate another sovereign state, have you? "
Yes - we all have
We have seen Israel actually annihilating human beings of one culture to make room for another
In this case actions have spoken far louder than words
The ethnic cleansing over half the population are calling for has articulated that aim perfectly
Military incursions into Gaza have left behind them a wasteland of many thousands dead and the survivors without homes, schools or hospitals - what are they if they are not attempts (not meaningless threats) to annihilate a sovereign State?
There have been regular calls to cut off water and electricity supplies to Gaza - what are they if they are not threats to annihilate a sovereign state?
There is still in place a ten year old blockade of the essentials of living - farm equipment, fertilizers, building materials, some medical supplies.... actions (not threats) to bring about the annihilation so a sovereign state
A wall dividing farmers from their means of living (of the type the world ranted and raved about when it was erected to divide the two Germany's.... not a sovereign state but a people of the 'wrong culture'
The constant demands that the Arabs should be driven into the desert or into countries "of their own kind" - threats to remove an entire unwanted culture, not just a state
And above all - the demands for ethnic cleansing from over half the Israeli people remains the greatest threat to an entire culture in one state - other countries have actually carried it out but it hasn't been stated policy since the Nazis annihilated six million Jews and as many other "unwantables" from the German population
All these things are not just "threats" but many are actually in the process of happening
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 18 - 04:27 AM

Bobad's post was just a list of empty threats. Is shooting unarmed protestors or locking up children the type of response that a civilised world should take to such threats? If so, how come The USA is not shooting and locking up innocent N Koreans?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 18 - 05:06 AM

David, that motion was opposing Trump's decision to move their embassy.
Most decent countries did not support him and none have moved their own embassies.
It in no way validates Jim's ludicrous claim that Israel is a terrorist state guilty of massacres.
If it was it would be shunned by all decent nations. It is not.

Supporting a critical motion is not accusing Israel of massacres or making it a pariah state.
No state is above criticism.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 18 - 05:13 AM

It is disturbing that Steve can have a thread closed whenever he wants.
What is his status here?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 05:41 AM

"Supporting a critical motion is not accusing Israel of massacres"
Neither is staying silent about their atrocities proof that they have never happened
Go ask the victims of Myanmar ethnic cleansing - they'll tell you
The world burst nt condemnation - but did nothing
Then they fell silent and have remained so ever since
It took a pop star who handed back his award to keep the attention alve
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 05:44 AM

Sorry - meant to add
Umless you can come up with anything more than mindless repetition of your former stupidity, don't expect a further response - one a day is more than enough for me
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 18 - 06:32 AM

Ha ha. I can't get a thread closed whenever I want and my status here is solid plebeian. Don't be ridiculous.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 18 - 06:53 AM

Good result last night, Steve :-)

No one can 'get a thread closed', that is entirely up to the moderation team. Any particular thread can be brought to the attention of the moderation team by any poster and, if the team see that it has sunk to the usual level that this type of thread does, they will consider closing it. Conversely, if a thread has been closed, that closure can be appealed against by anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:19 AM

Steve,
Thread's dead. Accept it, chaps. Shall I call in the mods?

You seemed to believe you could just call them to get a thread closed.
Reassuring to know that you did not mean that.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:30 AM

Can we please stop talking about closing this thread - it remains open until a mod closes it so love it or leave it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:30 AM

Shall I call in the mods..
it's a bank holiday soon..
and those rockers act as if they own the sea front...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:35 AM

Anything to say about Israel and Gaza PFR?
I thought you did do a study module or something in the eighties.
Did it not give you any insights at all?

You have still said absolutely nothing about this issue since the thread started.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:38 AM

Shut up, Keith. Humour has been introduced. Threads often get shut because people moan about people who they think get threads shut. I'd rather talk about mods and rockers for a bit. Even though I personally was a neb...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:39 AM

Leave it at saying nothing about the subject, PFR. It is preferable to posting utter bollocks about it. And far better than encouraging the trolls.

I was a mod turned rocker BTW. My first vehicle was a Lambretta GT200 but as soon as I passed my test I bought a Triumph T110 650. I suppose I should beat myself up about it :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:41 AM

sorry..what.. did I hear some petty minded nit picking pillock thinking he's being clever...???

Crikey he's getting bolder..

like a school bully's sidekick trying to keep favour with his alpha protector....????

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: bobad
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:42 AM

Maybe PFR can start his education by watching this Palestinian "refugee" speak power to corruption and learn about how the whole UNRWA Palestinian "refugee" scam operates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkGTNM-2FTE

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:45 AM

Hello mates.. you got in quick... on two wheels???

I was too young, but very impressed and excited by both mods and rockers...

My mum and dad were early 1950s proto rockers until a lorry put them in hospital..

unfortunately no more bikes after that, and settling down to eventually make me...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:49 AM

bob - no time for that..
I'm still watching the epic "story of the Jews"
and then the Natalie Portman movie...

You seem more concerned about the threat of seemingly powerless individuals
in a conflict of masive scope, millions of people, and mega powerful armies and nukes...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: bobad
Date: 03 May 18 - 09:59 AM

no time for that..

Why am I not surprised?

It's so much easier to form opinions based on prejudice than on knowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 18 - 10:03 AM

Knowledge is not gained just by listening to and promoting the views of one side. For every anti-Palestinian link you produce I can assure you that there is an equal and opposite. Swapping links is pointless in such an argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 10:08 AM

"Maybe PFR can start his education by watching this Palestinian "refugee" speak power to corruption and learn about how the whole UNRWA Palestinian "refugee" scam operates:"#Wnat on earth has any of that to do with the massacres and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Israel - apart from it being an attempt to denigrate the victims ?
If the speaker is right, then those victims are getting it from all sides - the greatest threat being the desire of Israeli to create a 'pure state' by ethnically cleansing Arabs from their rightful homes
Since the speaker mentioned Einstein, perhaps it's time to take a peek at is condemnation of what was taking place around the time of birth of the State of Israel in response to one of Keith's "never happened" massacres
Jim Carroll
TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

Discrepancies Seen
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ,
HANNAH ARENDT,
ABRAHAM BRICK,
RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO,
ALBERT EINSTEIN,
HERMAN EISEN, M.D.,
HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D.,
H.H. HARRIS,
ZELIG S. HARRIS,
SIDNEY HOOK,
FRED KARUSH,
BRURIA KAUFMAN,
IRMA L. LINDHEIM,
NACHMAN MAISEL,
SEYMOUR MELMAN,
MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D.,
HARRY M. OSLINSKY,
SAMUEL PITLICK,
FRITZ ROHRLICH,
LOUIS P. ROCKER,
RUTH SAGIS,
ITZHAK SANKOWSKY,
I.J. SHOENBERG,
SAMUEL SHUMAN,
M. SINGER,
IRMA WOLFE,
STEFAN WOLFE.
New York, Dec. 2, 1948

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 18 - 10:29 AM

"Maybe PFR can start his education by watching this Palestinian "refugee" speak power to corruption and learn about how the whole UNRWA Palestinian "refugee" scam operates:"

bob - why would I waste my time on any more of your links...
when I know fully well from past form that they will not be objective or the least bit balanced...!!!


I can and do trawl through piles of outrageous propaganda from both sides
when I'm in the mood for getting a feel for what's going on in the minds of fundamentalist zealot's...
That way I've certainly learnt how my status as a quarter jew is regarded
on extreme right forums...

btw...you might want to keep an eye out behind you...
have you noticed how your sidekick has been getting a bit bold and uppity over the last 24 hours..
Who know's he might start thinking he's the Dom and you're his Sub...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: bobad
Date: 03 May 18 - 10:39 AM

So PFR, to you, a Palestinian refugee's views on being a Palestinian refugee are unbalanced......well that's good, at least we now know where you're coming from.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 18 - 10:48 AM

It is unbalanced. It is one persons view. To see both sides of the argument you need to have more than one point of view. Do you believe that the only balanced view is one that demonises Palestinians? ....well that's good, at least we now know where you're coming from.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: bobad
Date: 03 May 18 - 10:54 AM

Wnat on earth has any of that to do with the massacres and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Israel

Once again the only ethnic cleansing that has taken place in the Middle East is that of Jews having been ethnically cleansed from Arab lands.

Secondly this thread is about Hamas terrorists attempting to "tear down the fence and tear out their (Jews) hearts from their bodies" under the guise of the right of return of the so-called Palestinian refugees. My post is about the so-called Palestinian refugees. You're welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:05 AM

"So PFR, to you, a Palestinian refugee's views on being a Palestinian refugee are unbalanced.."
Your "Palestinian refugee" is in fact a media personality promoting his Radio Programme "Ask Halawa" which is a propaganda outlet on behalf of the Israeli regime as can be seen here when he speaks to the KNESSET
Undoubtedly, very a reliable and unbiased witness!!!
How long are you going to dig up these 'token Arabs' in order to denigrate victims of ethnic cleansing Bobad
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:05 AM

Bob - sorry if I misread you... [though on balance...]

But I am just very suspicious of your and K****'s real motives as self appointed champions of Israel and Jews...

I am entertaining myself with my own preposterous [conspiracy] theories
[which I will keep to myself]
but the thing is, I'm really uncertain just how preposterous they may be...??????

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:14 AM

"Once again the only ethnic cleansing that has taken place in the Middle East is that of Jews having been ethnically cleansed from Arab lands.
INCIDENTALLY

CHUTZPA

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:20 AM

"Ask Halawa"

Jim - what's he then... like an Arab Lord Haw Haw...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:20 AM

PFR, there you go just posting about posters not the issues.

I am not championing anybody.
I have just tried to put the other side of the story. Why would anyone object to that?

Now, anything about Gaza and Israel PFR?

Steve,
These threads are moderated. The mods do not need to be told when to close a thread, but just days ago you said that a thread was closed because you asked for it to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:22 AM

hmmm... by posting about me posting about posters...

that someone is posting about posters and not the issues...?????

bonkers..!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:27 AM

PFR, you post about posters instead of the subject, and I comment on your behaviour.
It is against our rules here.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:28 AM

"Jim - what's he then... like an Arab Lord Haw Haw...!!!??? "
It would appear so
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:37 AM

"It is against our rules here. "
Can you stop this please
If you want to discuss forum rules (there are no "rules") - go open a thread
I suggest you read the suggestions for becoming a member and clean up you own act
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:52 AM

I thought that we were not allowed to post against each other instead of the subject.
If I was wrong about that I am sorry, and disappointed.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 May 18 - 01:22 PM

Anything's permissible in moderation Keith, but you do tend to scupper threads with your stonewalling and diversive tactics
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 18 - 02:41 PM

These threads are not actively moderated. The moderators steer clear of toxic political threads unless they get asked to intervene or things get seriously out of hand. I don't blame them for one minute. I would steer well clear of it wasn't for my masochistic tendancies:-) I must say though that things have got a lot better for me since I stopped interacting with certain parties.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: robomatic
Date: 03 May 18 - 07:21 PM

Jim Carroll:

Your consistent problem/ weakness in argument is your utter lack of balance. You started this thread about current events, then devolve into broad undocumented claims of many 'massacres' and then you, as a rule, cherry pick your links, such as the one you wholesale copied dating from December 1948. No one argues that any one side has been populated exclusively by angels, but you put all your weight on your claims and your quotes and you have no sense of proportion.

This is also typical of your arguments in the famine thread, where you put so much blame on the English vis-a-vis the Irish potato famine, and give all credit to the Soviets vis-a-vis both the 1920s famine in Soviet Russia and the 1930s punitive famine of the Ukrainians by the Soviets.

1948 was the year Israelis became Israelis. There was a war of Independence 70 years ago, and their were certainly massacres on both sides. You pick only one side and one bad actor and one letter to the editor defaming it. It's an element of an argument, but not an argument in itself, and not germaine to the thread you started. Congratulations for keeping it alive so long. Your friends are holding back for your sake.

You are passionate, but you are repetitive and unconvincing.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 May 18 - 12:25 AM

"PFR, there you go just posting about posters not the issues...

..PFR, you post about posters instead of the subject, and I comment on your behaviour.
It is against our rules here."

Consider this...

It is too unsophisticated and simplistic to regard debates on this kind of subject
as existing purely as academic 'toing and froing' theoretical argument and point scoring.
These issues are happening right now in the real world, not stored on shelves in dusty history books...
These debates can not be artificially divorced from living reality,
and isolated from all essential constituents & inter-related levels of discourse...

Therefore the attitudes and ideology of posters is fundamentally a major part of this issue,
and needs to be acknowledged, discussed, and actively challenged as and when necessary...

Discussing and holding to account the prejudice and misconceived notions of participants, is totally justified;
primarily because of the ramification on debate content and biased agenda motivated manipulation.

Are we having real intelligent debate,
or mere academic posturing and game playing,
or much worse pernicious spreading and reinforcing of negative divisive propaganda and hate...

This should not be about winning or losing, or belittling and destroying opponents,
but making a genuine serious effort trying to explain, understand and learn.

Illumination not closed minded belligerent debate stifling point scoring.
Until certain chaps get this, I will continue to respond in persevering sarcasm mode...

Mutual respect and a willingness to consider alternative points of view would be preferable ... but...



..I guess when bad tempered old folks get set in their ways...

[...and there's a bunch of key words I needed to use but can't remember..
.. and it's really bugging me... and I'm not even 60 yet...]

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 May 18 - 03:13 AM

just remembered one...'bellicose'...

g'night...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 May 18 - 03:40 AM

"Your consistent problem/ weakness in argument is your utter lack of balance. "
And yours is "balance"
Whate is the "balanced response to what is happening now with it's "decent democratic countries" and its outright denial of historical, fully recorded events and "refugees" who run propaganda radio shows and are invited to speak in the Knesset"
I see no balance
We are not talking about odd atrocities - not even the mass killing of unarmed protesters that is taking place at present, but a seventy year history of land seizures, massacres and evictions which have created the largest single number of refugees on the planet
Add to this a declared aim of over half the Israeli people (not just the politicians) of ethnically cleansing Arabs from their homes
Has anyone here offered a single shred of protest of any of this - have you?
Is that your idea of "balance"
You, as others have, have accused me of antisemitism - have a single one of you offered a shred of evidence of my attacking the Jewish people or attempted to take up my offer of a donation - no you have not, yet that accusation is left hanging - balance!!!
The most openly antisemitic statement made on this forum was made by one of your number - despite numerous requests, not a single one of you have condemned that statement - not one
How "balanced" is that - it seems antisemitism ceases to be antisemitic when it comes from friend who share the same political leanings
How can one be "balanced" about mass murder, ethnic cleansing, land sezuire, the massacres of civilians - beats me!
I agree that it is "too simplistic" to deal with these subjects with debates such as these - that's why I have made a life-long habit of reading them up - they have been an interest of mine since my early twenties - and earlier
My family history, before I was born, involved opposing the persecution of the Jewish people
Members of my family were arrested for their activities, my father volunteered to go to war when he heard from neighbors what was happening to the Jews in Germany - he ended up sharing cell with Jews who had volunteered for the same cause - three of them came to his funeral
Yet I "hate Jews" because I will not support a political regime that is now using the Jewish People as an excuse for the atrocities it is commuting
The same with my interest in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe politics - I have never raise a word of support for Stalin yet to you I am a Stalinist
Your knowledge seems to be based on anything you can scoop up from the internet
I have read up on the subjects we have argued about - I do that with subjects that interest me and I expect (or I hope for) the same from those I argue with
I come here to exchange ideas and gain knowledge not to win prizes
I see little of that from the closed minds of people who are the most vociferous and often personally vicious on these subjects
Where is your "balance"?
Maybe I have the telescope upi to the wrong eye!
Your consistent problem/ weakness in argument is your utter lack of balance.
Give us a break!!
Jim Carroll
I very much appreciate your display of ageism - it fortifies what I believe to be true
Perhaps we should campaign for detention centres for those who exceed a certain age
You people really do let yourselves down time - much appreciated

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 May 18 - 06:33 AM

Still nothing about Israel or Gaza then PFR.
What brings you here if you have nothing to say or contribute?
I will not discuss anything else with you, and certainly not me.

It is Friday so the demonstrators will be gathering at the border.
I hope they demonstrate peacefully and do not try to breach the fence.
That would make their point without anyone getting hurt.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 May 18 - 09:04 AM

Keith - you are a complete waste of time and drain of energy.
You are the most disruptive and despicable poster on mudcat.
You are a total hypocrite who attacks and insults freely,
yet a whining cry baby when your victims respond in kind.

YOU pretend to be interested in debating issues merely to mask your over active propagating of thinly disguised hate speech.

you...

...continue to fill in the blanks because you are absolutely aware of what you do and how you attack other mudcatters
who dare disagree with you and your long term anti social unpleasantness..

Your usual gang may no doubt rally round in your defence
and lauch a vile co-ordinated counter attack...

You have no real interest in jews,
you merely use a fake sympathy for jewish people as a convenient vehicle for pursuing your hatred/fear of muslims...

I will further go out on a limb and propose you think the only problem with Israel is that there are too many jews there,
but they are useful for defending the land from muslims,
who you consider the worst of the 2 races.
At least jews are killing muslims in Gaza while you sit safe egging them on from the comfort of your own home


Your ultimate dream is of an Israel as a christian holy land and holiday resort...

I doubt if I am entirely exaggerating or wrong...???


There, I mentioned 'Israel & Gaza' for you - happier now.....????

Looks like a sunny bank holiday...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 May 18 - 09:08 AM

Jim - It was me not robo having a tongue in cheek poke at oldies...
I'll actually be 60 this year, and my memory aint much better than my 86 year old mum's..
Saying this just in case you got robo and my long posts a bit mixed up in one...???

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 May 18 - 09:12 AM

"Jim - It was me not robo having a tongue in cheek poke at oldies... "
So it was - taken as it was meant
Apologies for that Robo - the rest stands
Back when I've done the ironing
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 May 18 - 09:17 AM

Still nothing on Israel or Gaza then PFR.
Just more lies about me.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 May 18 - 09:30 AM

give k**** enough rope....


Jim - no problem..
sorry if my estimation of K****'s hidden motives and agenda
didn't go far enough...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel's Sharpville
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 May 18 - 09:32 AM

About 30 injured today already, according to Reuters who also put Israel's side of the story,
"Israel says it is protecting its borders and takes such action only when protesters, some hurling stones and Molotov cocktails trying to lay explosives, come too close to the fence.
Israel says the protests have been organized by Hamas - an Islamist group that controls Gaza and is sworn to Israel’s destruction - to provide cover for attacks, and that most of the dead were militants."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-protests/israelis-fire-tear-gas-warning-shots-at-palestinian-protesters-on-gaza-border-idUSKBN1I50XA?feedType=RSS&virtualBrandChannel=11563