BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!

Subject: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:11 AM

Here is a blurb from one of the many websites devoted to boycotting the capitalist Christmas traditions of X-tians and non-X-tians alike:

You know holiday shopping is offensive and wasteful. You know Christmas "wish lists" and "gift exchanges" degrade the concept of giving. You know Christmas marketing is a scam, benefiting manufacturers, stores, and huge corporations, while driving individuals into debt. You know this annual consumer frenzy wreaks havoc on the environment, filling landfills with useless packaging and discarded gifts.

Yet, every year, you cave in and go shopping.

The relentless onslaught of advertising exerts constant pressure. So do the unified bleatings of herds of shoppers, who call you "Scrooge" if you fail to enthusiastically join their ritual orgy of consumption. Friends and family needle you with gift requests, store windows beckon with shiny colorful packages, the same "classic" holiday jingles are piped constantly through every speaker in town.

How can you resist?

Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Pauline L
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 01:15 PM

Thanks! I needed that.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 01:46 PM

Looks like we're an extremely small minority here, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Peace
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 02:10 PM

I am a charter member. I don't mind people who do, and I don't mind people who don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: MMario
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 02:16 PM

Yet, every year, you cave in and go shopping

no - not really. I probably give more presents thorughout the year then I do at Christmas. Definately give more EXPENSIVE gifts at other times of the year.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 02:17 PM

Our main Christmas celebration usually involves going to a candlelight service on Christmas eve, occasionally even performing, e.g., providing the traditional guitar accompaniment for a traditional rendition of Silent Night. Then on Christmas day, either having a small gathering at our apartment or going to a similar small gathering at friends or relatives. Dinner and general merriment.

If the "Commercial Christmas Industry" relied on Barbara and me, they'd be in pretty sad straits.

Gifts? Yeah, a few. We're getting my brother-in-law, John (my sister's husband), a book we know he wants. He searched for it, but couldn't find it in any bookstore. Being fairly resourceful, I managed to find copy, which we'll give to him for Christmas. Borders and Barnes & Noble aren't going profit much off that deal. John, in turn, often buys me a software CD for my computer. Last year it was a "Galaxy Explorer" astronomy program. Star finder. Hubble telescope photos. Lots of moving graphics. About $10.00 off the rack at Best Buy. We're giving my sister Pat a couple of CDs that we know she wants.

Most of the Christmas gifts Barbara and I give are of that nature: we buy for a very limited list (close friends and nearby relatives), we stick to small items, and we give what we're pretty sure they're about to buy for themselves anyway.

The kind of gifts we exchange with friends and relatives are generally—   Well, let me give you a couple of examples. Our friend Phoebe makes unique, one-of-a-kind jewelry, and is very good at it. She usually gives Barbara a pin or a pair of earrings or something like that, and she usually gives me a big box full of several kinds of cookies that she bakes herself. Barbara psychs out what Phoebe might like and gets it for her. Often a selection of soaps and lotions. Things like that. Generally small stuff. Personal stuff. And usually not very expensive stuff. And since everybody already has a lot of stuff, we usually try to give each other consumables. Sometimes it will be something like tickets for a concert or a play. Not something that's going to wind up in a closet or in the basement.

I can't remember the exact figure, but some news commentator mentioned the average amount the pundits figured people would spend for Christmas gifts this year. It occurred to me at the time that Barbara and I would probably be spending about a tenth of that, if that much. And it ain't because we're just plain cheap. It's because we're judicious and we're not inclined to unhinge our brains and follow the herd into bankruptcy. And, happily, the friends and relatives we do exchange gifts with are equally judicious.   

We don't drink Coke or Pepsi either.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 02:28 PM

. . . a little "two-buck Chuck" with dinner now and then. Coke makes me burp.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: PoppaGator
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 03:05 PM

After a couple of years working a seasonal second job at the local shopping mall, I have more sympathy now than ever before for folks who rely on the December rush for about half their annual income. Sure, it's a crazy custom that has diddly-squat to do with the religious aspects of Christmas and the other concurrent festivals, but it's part of the world we live in, and so be it.

I've been glad to participate, making some extra money and having lots of fun portraying Santa Claus.

Being of modest means, my family and I are pretty small-time buyers/givers/recipients of gifts. Since the kids have grown, they expect and get less than they were starry-eyed Santa believers. What we find most important is simply being together, plus of course eating and drinking BIG TIME!

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 04:03 PM

No, not "so be it." That is the point of this thread--to not "so be it". Do you pro-Xmas folks not have enough Xmas threads of your own? This thread was begun in the spirit of providing alternatives for people who don't want ANY part of Xmas, Xtian or not.

Or have you "we only do non-commercial things" folks decided we aren't even deserving of that sort of space here?

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 04:06 PM

I just counted 14 Xmas or "holiday" related threads in the BS section alone, and it is only December 9th.

Please, give us a break. Please share your Xmas stories in the Xmas/holiday threads, and leave us in peace. And no, not THAT sort of peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 05:18 PM

Sorry, GUEST 4:03 PM. I thought GUEST 9:11 AM started this thread to discuss "boycotting the capitalist Christmas traditions of X-tians and non-X-tians alike", whatever an X-tian is, and the earlier posters were certainly doing so. If you want to start an anti-holiday thread, why don't you do so and let this one go on the the spirit that the originator intended?

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 05:26 PM

I joined the Christmas Resistance Movement you mention years ago. I consider it a spiritual occasion and a celebration of the return of the sun(light), not an excuse to spend myself into bankruptcy.

Subject: Lyr Add: THANK CHRIST FOR CHRISTMAS (Enoch Kent)
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 05:26 PM

"Thank Christ for Christmas".......Enoch Kent 1962.

Christmas came again last year,
like the Holy bible say.
Now man must stash his cash all yaer,
because of Christmas day.

All the stores were gaily garnished,
tinsel and imitation snow.
And we look forward to Christmas day,
and hope you have the dough.

Some people say its all because,
of a boy called Jesus Christ.
And not for makin excess cash,
those people are not very nice.

Sing the praises,ring the cash up,
a saviour born to men.
He saved us all from bankrupcy,
may he soon come down again.

Nina and Frederik, Gracie Fields,
are getting in the act.
For a Christmas song sells like a bomb,
and thats a well known fact.

"Mary's boy child","Little donkey",
"Santa kisses mum".
As long as you play upon the theme,
You'll make a goodly sum.

So a Merry Christmas everyone,
Although that greetings stale.
If you dont get the gift you want,
You'll get it in the January sale.

Hallelujah line the pavements,
cram the cash desk with your pay.
Thank God for Christianity,
And roll on Christmas day.



To the tune of "Mary's boy child".........St Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: PoppaGator
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 05:40 PM

Sorry all about you, GUEST!

I thought this was a *discussion*, not an arena where only concurring opinions are permitted. Would it really be all that interesting if all anyone could contribute were "Yes" or "Me too"?

Perhaps I didn't express myself precisely. What I was trying to say was that, while the worst commercialized aspects of X-mas certainly lead many to *spend* excessively, for others it is a necessary opportunity to *earn* a living. Many of those engaged in this seasonal commerce "get enough" at work and their participation as private citizens (consumers) may be quite limited/modest.

Is this not a slightly interesting insight? Or is it perhaps not sufficiently "correct" or "on-topic" for you?

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 06:12 PM

If the GUEST who is blowing his or her stack about the number of Christmas threads is the same GUEST who started this thread (thereby adding to the number!), I thought this was about boycotting the Christmas spending orgy. That's pretty much what my wife and I do, but we do "keep Christmas," as Dickens would say.

If this was intended to be a totally anti-Christmas thread, as in "BAH! HUMBUG!" then sorry I peed in your punchbowl.

I'm gone. But don't look for me at the mall because I won't be there.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 06:53 PM

Let me explain. Guest 4:03 is me, and I also started the thread. The thread's purpose was NOT to discuss/share how people celebrate Christmas so as not feel guilty about it.

It is for those of us

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Peace
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 06:59 PM

Were you spirited away by elves?

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 07:03 PM

Don't know what happened, but the above was sent before I finished it.

As I was saying, my intention for the thread was to create a space on the forum for those of us who do not celebrate Christmas/"the Holidays" secular or Christmas/"the Holidays" religious, or in any other guise. Because of the onslaught of "the season" I thought it would be good to have a place where we can go and share some solidarity with others who are like us, ie don't celebrate ANYTHING about "the Holidays"/"the season"/Christmas, and who are looking for some like company to get us through all the bloody Mudcat "holiday" cheer.

Like I said, there are currently many threads people who want to share all their joy, goodwill, peace on earth, and shopping secrets and tips with one another. But there are no threads for those of us looking to cope with the dominant culture's obsession with this holiday.

PoppaGator, please don't take this personally, but if you wish to support the capitalists this and each and every season, maybe you could just start a thread of your own, requesting that people shop til they drop in support of the capitalist retailers you want to see supported, instead. Would that be all right?

And yes, thank you all, I know I can't dictate who does and doesn't post here, or what they will post here, but it would be nice if we could have a thread for those of us who don't celebrate, to help us cope with all those of you who do.

Our local St Paul paper ran an interesting article yesterday on the passive aggressive "traditions" of Christmas/holiday celebrants. It certainly would apply here.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 07:09 PM

pick a name, 'guest', then you'll have a lot less explaining to do...

oh, I forgot...there's some sort of 'principle' involved that says you demean yourself if you make it easier on folks to keep all the various 'guests' straight

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: PoppaGator
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:02 PM

Sorry, GUEST. I didn't realize you were in such woeful need of commiseration that an insensitive response would cause you such distress.

I was intrigued and amused by the title, and since I hate some aspects of contemporary Christmas (although not as many as I love), I thought my comments might be tolerated. Guess I was dead wrong.

Please, have "your" thread to yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:50 PM

Please, courageous " Guest", let us help you.

What terrible trauma in childhood has led you to the sad state you are now in, which requires you to seek out cyber-buddies for a "problem" the rest of us have somehow managed to conquer on their own.?

Or is it the cute (non red-and green) address labels the CRM sent you?

What level of support did you sign up at? I understand that at the $100 level they will send you a Santa dartboard? Is this true?

Please, enlighten us.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 11:19 PM

Guest: I find it extremely ironic. Or is it X-tremely? I don't know if you are the Guest who hijacked the thread I started wishing Christians, Muslims, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, Republicans and Democrats well and tried to turn it into an anti-Christian, anti-Christmas thread. I can't tell one Guest from another, which is part of the problem. If you are that Guest, then you shouldn't be complaining.. If not, then my sympathy goes out to you. No one appreciates threads being hi-jacked.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Peace
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 11:24 PM

GUEST:

Talk.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Pauline L
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 02:06 AM

Guest wrote, "Like I said, there are currently many threads people who want to share all their joy, goodwill, peace on earth, and shopping secrets and tips with one another. But there are no threads for those of us looking to cope with the dominant culture's obsession with this holiday."

I agree! I do need a cybercommunity to help me make it through this season. Ron, I admire you if you can cope with it all by yourself, but I can't.

I agree with Bill D. Guest, please give yourself a name. You don't have to reveal your true identity, but a name would make it so much easier for us to track the conversation.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 06:10 AM

boycotting the capitalist Christmas traditions of X-tians and non-X-tians alike (my emphasis)

This thread was begun in the spirit of providing alternatives for people who don't want ANY part of Xmas, Xtian or not.

It would have helped, 09 Dec 04 - 06:53 PM, if you had stated your intentions in the first post.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 06:41 AM

Hot mince pies, brandy butter, a large tot of Bunnahabhainn. Heaven.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 06:58 AM

boycotting the capitalist Christmas traditions of X-tians and non-X-tians alike (my emphasis)

This thread was begun in the spirit of providing alternatives for people who don't want ANY part of Xmas, Xtian or not.

It would have helped, 09 Dec 04 - 06:53 PM, if you had stated your intentions in the first post.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 08:19 AM

Totally anonymous "Guest"s have, shall we say, little authority in telling the rest of us on Mudcat what to do.

If, for instance, you, Pauline, had started this, then fine.

But to try to carry on a conversation with any number of interchangeable "Guests" is not reasonable.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,The Anti-Santa
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 09:03 AM

OK, just for those of us who would like to carry on with this thread (and since the great name 'milk monitor' is already taken), for this thread I shall henceforth be The Anti-Santa.

Pauline, what are the aspects of "the season" that you find most difficult to handle? For me, it is the automatic expectations that people have that everyone "does" Xmas/the Holidays, and that even if they don't, and don't wish to participate in any of it, insist that we are bad people (read: "grinches") for having the audacity to dare and speak up and say we don't celebrate, and don't wish to be included in the celebrations.

This is truly a season of making people who don't follow the lemmings over the Xmas cliff, social pariahs. Yet, the same people who ostracize and criticize and demonize those who choose not to partake in "the spirit of the season" come back at you passive aggressively by forcing their "good will" on you whether you bloody well want it or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 01:50 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 02:52 PM

I fail to see how someone who gives me a smile or hello or Merry Christmas is raining on my parade. You care to explain that? I suppose you'd rather have an "up yers'?

There was a horse with no name; now, there's a thread with no point.

Have a good day, A-S. Or a rotten one. Which ever makes you feel better or worse or whatever.

(I thought Scrooge was a fictional characetr created by Dickens. Live and learn.)

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Olive Whatnoll
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 03:16 PM

I've got nofink against Christmas. It's a good time for eatin and drinkin one's self into a state of stupefaction and generally engagin in excess of every sort. It's a safety valve. Wifout Christmas we might face bloody revolution becuz people would experience a build up of tension and 'ostility and it would explode into violence. That's my take on it.

Be that as it may I would favour a national "Bugger Off!" Day bein established so's to further reduce pent up feelings. I suggest a date around mid-January for Bugger Off! Day. One would go about tellin other people to bugger off in no uncertain terms and be able to do it wifout a bad conscience or otehr repercussions.

We could follow that wif "UP YOURS! Day", to be held in late February. Late February is a hellish time of year, and people need some relief at that time.

Imagine the pleasure of bein able to freely tell traffic police, the landlord, the vicar...or even the Queen...to BUGGER OFF! on that special day in January. And then tellin' em all "UP YOURS!" in late February.

And it would not require spendin a dime.

By the bye, I 'ave a special announcement comin' up soon, so wait for it!

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 03:21 PM

But we so seldom get to celebrate a mono-clonal in-utero implantation brought to full term and delvered in a tavern...
type holiday.

comon its only once a year.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Emma B
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:25 PM

Oh goody Olive - can we have Bugger-off cards and pressies too?

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,The Anti-Santa
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 09:46 AM

Olive, you are a genius! Until then, we'll have to settle for telling the Xmas cheerers to Bugger Off! But let's save the "Up Yours" for Valentine's Day!

Donuel--thanks for belly laugh! You are right, there are so few of those sorts of holidays. But they've got their dates on that blessed event in the tavern all wrong! But don't tell the worshippers that, it just makes them all the more grimly jolly.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 12:38 PM

Anti-Santa---

You can tell the Xmas cheerers to bugger off------but it's not reasonable to resent them for saying Merry Christmas to you in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti-Santa
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 12:52 PM

Bugger Off Ron! I am perfectly within my rights to tell Xmas worshippers to bugger off in the first place for wishing me a Merry Christmas.

It is THEIR ignorant and deluded belief that everyone on the planet is required to POLITELY endure their "Merry Christmas" wishes being shoved in our faces--even if we are Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, Confucian, agnositics about the fairies, or what have you.

That's the real kicker to me. The insistence of the Xmas worshippers that the rest of us be polite about their arrogant assumptions as members of a dominant culture shoving their cultural ideologies down our throats!

The arrogant NERVE of people like you Ron, is part of what gripes me most about living in the US at this time of year.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 01:10 PM

Anti-Santa

You need help--and more help than we can give.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 02:23 PM

No I don't Ron. Not celebrating Xmas, and not wanting any part of it, isn't a mental illness, a sociaal disease or even socially unacceptable in terms of politeness. It's those Xtians and Xmas worshippers who insist we be polite when they are rude enough to get in our faces with a cultural celebration we want no part of who are the rude ones.

So really, truly, Ron BUGGER THE FUCK OFF!

(Sorry for the lapse so early on there, Olive)

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 03:18 PM

Wear a sign that reads, "I do NOT believe in Christmas, so keep your greetings to yourself." Then you won't have to tell Ron rude things.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti-Santa
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 03:31 PM

My seasonal Mudcat pseudonym, along with the title I've given the thread, should serve as an obvious and sufficient warning for anyone who can read.

If Ron Davies chooses to keep getting in our faces in this thread and antoagonize us in this way, including telling me I'm a sociopath for not being "in the spirit", then he gets all the Bugger Offs! he truly and bloody well deserves in this thread, from me at least, and with no apology.

He is simply playing the role of Xmas troll here, is all. He is one of the dysfunctional Xmas worshippers I'm complaining about here, so he feels he must come in here and defend his sacred form of capitalist worship is all.

No law says I have to have mercy on him for getting belligerent and in my face about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 03:39 PM

You are not a sociopath. You are different, and it would be a very boring world if we were all the same.

I do not know Ron, but I have the well-founded suspicion that he doesn't worship Baal/Capitalism. I see him as a usually cheery guy who thinks about issues and then posts. I do not always agree with him, but that's cool, because we all be cool about stuff on the 'cat. I agree that the money side of Yule sucks the big one, but for many it truly IS a time to celebrate the birth of their God, and I can respect that even though I don't perceive it in the same way.

Despite my earlier remarks to you GUEST A-S, I do wish you a relaxing and 'festive' season. Forget the Santa stuff and the Birth stuff. I simply hope you have a good time, and I apologize for getting bitchy with you.

Bruce Murdoch

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 03:40 PM

BTW brucie, I do have a button I keep on my backpack that says "Don't Assume I'm Christian" that I wear year round. But that button doesn't stop the non-Xtian &/or non-practicticing Xtian, pro-Xmas brigades from attacking this time of year.

You see, the sin isn't that you don't want to be involved in Xmas because you object to the religious aspects of the holiday. The sin is not conforming to the majority.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 03:46 PM

Did you ever see the movie, "Airplane"? If so, do you recall the scene where the Hari Krishna guys were soliciting donations? I roared when I saw that. I would chuckle about your button. I am so far removed from Christmas--have been for two years now--that I don't really understand what all the hoopla is about. It doesn't really pee me off, but from where I sit, I do ken what you're saying. (Right now I'm hoping I used 'ken' correctly.)

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 03:47 PM

Also, I don't think you're the rotten ol' bas###d you're trying to come across as. From one ROB to another.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti-Santa
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 04:07 PM

I intend to remain as cantankerous and off-putting as possible throughout the season. It helps keep the Xmas worshippers away.

You see, the worship of Christmas has precious little to do with being a Christian celebration, as the historic record shows clearly. It is a modern celebration among Anglo Americans which has now returned like a scourge to some places in Europe, like Britain, in all it's capitalist excess and glory.

I mean, the "universal Christmas" doesn't exactly reflect Italian tradition, now does it? Now there's some folks who know how to celebrate a winter holiday in spite of Our Lord and Savior (pass the holy wine, please)!

Nay, this "universal Christmas" thing is about getting minorities like me to conform to the majority Anglo American dominant culture's celebration of the turn of the Roman New Year, the Celtic New Year, the Asian New Year, etc etc with all the debauchery attend to said festivities.

One thing I will always treasure about my time in Ireland was the memory of how miserable most the Irish people I encountered at Xmas were, because the pubs were all closed, and they were forced to endure close to 48 hours with their families. Which any sane person knows isn't such a good idea for most of us, especially in the dark and dreary days of winter.

I can party with the best of them, but ever since adolescence, I've been hell bent on escaping my family at the holidays, not looking for cheery "seasonal" music to accompany "the horror" as Brando said in "Apocalypse Now", which is an accurate depiction of my family at Xmas time, how about yours?

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: michaelr
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 04:12 PM

Love it! Thanks for the link, Anti-Santa. It supports what has been my attitude for years.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 04:18 PM

Anti-Santa-


You may have noticed the world isn't perfect.

You're very unhappy with the idea that Christmas exists. The vast majority of the rest of the world, including the vast majority of us, is unhappy with the idea that it appears George W Bush has been elected. (Unless we can prove massive fraud).


We both have to live with these facts.

It seems to me you only have grounds for complaint if, after your cheery response of "Bugger off", somebody for the second time tells you "Merry Christmas".

Unless of course you're another one with a lot of pent-up rage. (We already have one.) And I suspect, not just at Christmas.

But thanks for being willing to differentiate yourself from the amorphous mass of nameless Guests we're honored to have.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti-Santa
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 04:23 PM

All together now everybody--

BUGGER OFF RON DAVIES!!! LEAVE US ALONE!!! GO SPREAD YER BLOODY CHEER IN THE SECRET SANTA THREADS!!! WE DON'T WANT IT HERE!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti-Santa
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 04:24 PM

And Up Yours too! :)













Ooooh....Anti-Santa is REALLY cantankerous now!