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Subject: BS: Spreading fear and panic pays! From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 01:23 PM Gores have lots of loot to split By: Nikki Schwab and Tara Palmeri Washington Examiner 06/01/10 9:00 PM EDT That can now be added to the lists of things the Gores have to split if they officially call it quits. The couple told friends Tuesday they planned to separate after 40 years of marriage. This comes after the Gores' kids -- Karenna, Kristin, Sarah and Albert III -- have left the nest and the couple has amassed massive wealth since Al Gore left public office in 2000. The most recent figure predicted in 2007 by Fast Company was more than $100 million. Before the 2000 election they predicted the family's net worth was closer to $1 million. Since then, the Gores have purchased the Montecito mansion, a multimillion-dollar home in Nashville, Tenn., a condo in San Francisco in addition to their home in the Washington area, an Arlington Tudor. They bought a 100-foot houseboat named, aptly, Bio-Solar One in 2008. And they own a farm in Carthage, Tenn., that includes a zinc mine. So how did they get all this stuff? Al Gore has parlayed politics and his zeal for talking about global warming into an Academy Award, a Grammy and the Noble Peace Prize in 2007. He is a co-founder of Current TV, brings in six figures for speaking gigs, is a member of the Board of Directors at Apple, Inc. and serves as a senior adviser to Google. So as the Gores head toward splitsville with their fame and fortune to boot, it seems more money may be more problems when they head to court. Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/blogs/yeas-and-nays/Melt-down_-Gores-have-lots-of-loot-to-split-95374384.html#ixzz0piXaVVDw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spreading fear and panic pays! From: MarkS Date: 02 Jun 10 - 01:25 PM C,mon folks. This is a very private, sad, and personal matter. Let's all of us just wish them well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spreading fear and panic pays! From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Jun 10 - 02:21 PM "Since then, the Gores have purchased the Montecito mansion, a multimillion-dollar home in Nashville, Tenn., a condo in San Francisco in addition to their home in the Washington area, an Arlington Tudor. They bought a 100-foot houseboat named, aptly, Bio-Solar One in 2008. And they own a farm in Carthage, Tenn., that includes a zinc mine." Does that mean Al can afford Jenny Craig now? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spreading fear and panic pays! From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Jun 10 - 02:31 PM Okay....so how come Chongo has been spreading fear and panic, and he still can't pay the rent on time? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spreading fear and panic pays! From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Jun 10 - 02:39 PM He isn't a Democrat! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Spreading fear and panic pays! From: catspaw49 Date: 02 Jun 10 - 02:43 PM Well, he IS kinda' like a Republican though being a different species and all......... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Jun 10 - 02:47 PM Sorry, Bruce, but thread titles are supposed to reflect the contents of the thread, not make a propaganda statement. Yours crossed the line and got altered. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: SINSULL Date: 02 Jun 10 - 02:51 PM "Al Gore has parlayed politics and his zeal for talking about global warming into an Academy Award, a Grammy and the Noble Peace Prize in 2007. He is a co-founder of Current TV, brings in six figures for speaking gigs, is a member of the Board of Directors at Apple, Inc. and serves as a senior adviser to Google." So what? His money and his marriage are no one's business but his own. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 03:00 PM The important part is "and the couple has amassed massive wealth since Al Gore left public office in 2000. The most recent figure predicted in 2007 by Fast Company was more than $100 million. Before the 2000 election they predicted the family's net worth was closer to $1 million. Since then, the Gores have purchased the Montecito mansion, a multimillion-dollar home in Nashville, Tenn., a condo in San Francisco in addition to their home in the Washington area, an Arlington Tudor. They bought a 100-foot houseboat named, aptly, Bio-Solar One in 2008. And they own a farm in Carthage, Tenn., that includes a zinc mine. So how did they get all this stuff? Al Gore has parlayed politics and his zeal for talking about global warming into an Academy Award, a Grammy and the Noble Peace Prize in 2007. He is a co-founder of Current TV, brings in six figures for speaking gigs, is a member of the Board of Directors at Apple, Inc. and serves as a senior adviser to Google." I have been told here on Mudcat that I could not question Gore's motive, since he was not getting any benefit from the Cluimate change fear-mongering, and the evil people that opposed him would somehow make money ( even though the claim was that Green was profitable). I guess it is only allowed to question motives of those the majority diasagrees with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: John MacKenzie Date: 02 Jun 10 - 03:04 PM prurient....crap, [personal attack edited] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: gnu Date: 02 Jun 10 - 03:07 PM Nice work if you can get it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 03:08 PM Attacking the poster rather than addressing the facts posted is the sign of someone without a valid arguement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: SINSULL Date: 02 Jun 10 - 03:58 PM If he has earned the money illegally, prove it. Otherwise, I repeat, it is no one's business but his own. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 04:17 PM I could not question Gore's motive, since he was not getting any benefit from the Climate change fear-mongering. Legality has NOTHING ( yelling) to do with it- the OIL COMPANIES were criticized for making money, therefore they could not be trusted to tell the truth. Well, AG made a few bucks himself- YET I WAS NOT ALLOWED to call anything he said into question on the basis of HIS profit. Or are there different rules AGAIN for what you support anbd what you are against??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Wesley S Date: 02 Jun 10 - 04:51 PM What do you mean you were not allowed? You're doing it right now. Climate change fear mongering? Damn - I was hoping you wouldn't catch onto that one. You're right. Let's just go out and pollute something. Anything. That will show them..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: catspaw49 Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:05 PM Gimmee a gawdamn break........You're comparing Al Gore to BP? Okay since we're drawing comparisons Bruce, how about you and a Twinkie? Or possibly a dipstick? How about you and a worn-out, smelly, jock? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Ebbie Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:13 PM "YET I WAS NOT ALLOWED to call anything he said into question on the basis of HIS profit." bb A couple of others beat me to it, bb, but I echo them: What do you mean, you are not allowed to question it? sheesh Somehow you remind me of a discontented, fretful child. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:23 PM "I could not question Gore's motive, since he was not getting any benefit from the Climate change..." As much weight as he's gained one would think he was afraid of global cooling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:28 PM I was told it was not valid to look at who was making money off the fear-mongering- ONLY the evil energy companies could be criticised for that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:31 PM Spaw, "Attacking the poster rather than addressing the facts posted is the sign of someone without a valid arguement. " I acknowledge that you have no valid arguements to make. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Ebbie Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:31 PM Rig, the fact that he started gaining weight after the Supreme Court did its thing should tell you that it (the weight gain) has an emotional component. That fact, in my opinion, behooves us to feel a little empathy. Sheesh Sometimes I think that we humans have not evolved enough that it could be noticed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:31 PM More non-partisan stuff from bruce, I see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Rapparee Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:35 PM It's the decision of two adults I don't even know. Not my place to take a stand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:49 PM The original title hinted at the purpose of this thread- the new one does not. "Spreading fear and panic pays!" "The important part is "and the couple has amassed massive wealth since Al Gore left public office in 2000. The most recent figure predicted in 2007 by Fast Company was more than $100 million. Before the 2000 election they predicted the family's net worth was closer to $1 million. Since then, the Gores have purchased the Montecito mansion, a multimillion-dollar home in Nashville, Tenn., a condo in San Francisco in addition to their home in the Washington area, an Arlington Tudor. They bought a 100-foot houseboat named, aptly, Bio-Solar One in 2008. And they own a farm in Carthage, Tenn., that includes a zinc mine. So how did they get all this stuff? Al Gore has parlayed politics and his zeal for talking about global warming into an Academy Award, a Grammy and the Noble Peace Prize in 2007. He is a co-founder of Current TV, brings in six figures for speaking gigs, is a member of the Board of Directors at Apple, Inc. and serves as a senior adviser to Google." NOBODY has given me any indication why the FACT that Gore made a LOT of MONEY from Global Climate Change is supposed to be ignored, but that those opposed to it are all money grubbing evil people. The replies I have seen lead me to believe that most here are either open bigots, or incapable of applying the same standards to two sides of the issue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Ed T Date: 02 Jun 10 - 05:49 PM I am waiting for someone to make a suggestion that it is because she has doubts about climate change....to boost the doubting folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: mousethief Date: 02 Jun 10 - 07:32 PM How come it's okay for BB to attack Gore but not for us to attack him? I thought it was open season on loudmouths. And making fun of Gore's weight is despicable. And a sign of intellectual bankruptcy. Can't think of anything legitimate to criticize about a person? Make fun of their body. Good grief, is it 6th grade all over again? "Fatty fatty two-by four". Geezis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 07:49 PM Mousecrook, I fail to see how I have attacked Gore personnaly. I made no comment on his weight. I do point out that he has made a lot of money fearmongering. And I have not seen any arguement against that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Jun 10 - 07:55 PM Before Beardedbruce makes too much of a martyr out of himself, let me tell you what I told him when he complained that I allowed the "Israeli atrocity" title but not his:
The "Israeli atrocity" phrase was definitely propaganda - but at least the thread title told what the thread was about. Your thread title did not mention the Gores, their assets, or their divorce. Mention of two of the three would have sufficed, and you could have gotten away with a little political "dig." If you had said Gore Divorce: Spreading fear and panic pays!, I would have let it slip by. If you had said Gore Assets: Spreading fear and panic pays!, I would have let it slip by. But since you didn't tell what the thread was about, you ended up with a clinically sterile thread title. Same thing happened to the two Arizona threads that Riginslinger started: But I still like you, anyhow. -Joe- But yes, it is fine for Beardedbruce to attack a public figure like Al Gore. That's politics. And even if he does that, it gives nobody the right to attack him. You can say his ideas are invalid and maybe even that his posts stink, but stay away from the personal attacks and say nothing about his personal fragrance. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: mousethief Date: 02 Jun 10 - 08:14 PM I'm sorry if I made it seem I think YOU insulted Gore re. his weight. I realize that was another hater. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Bill D Date: 02 Jun 10 - 08:19 PM Bruce... did you ever hear the word 'equivocation'? What you call "fear mongering" others call 'warning us of scientific evidence of problems'. You can't just toss out a term and expect everyone to nod wisely at YOUR use of it. And I could write paragraphs about 'equivocation' on the word 'attack'...both by you, and by others. You use phrases like "... made a LOT of MONEY from Global Climate Change..", when it ought to be clear, even from your own admission, that he made money from many sources. Does Bill Gates deserve a few billion from guessing right and buying an operating system? As far as I know, Gore didn't screw anyone over spreading his message.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 08:25 PM And your comments on "equivocation" when it was Bush being called a fearmonger? I fail to see that you have accepted that the SAME standards YOU accepted against conservatives apply to liberals. When you choose to play fair, according to the rules, feel free to lecture me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:02 PM Is this true that you can get away with spreadin' fear and panic AND also make a shitload of money...and all it takes to do that is to be a Democrat? If it is...geez! I might think about changin' parties. Mighty tempting. Hmmm.... I gotta give this some pretty serious thought. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:07 PM By the way, I got a good friend who waits tables at a fancy joint in Chicago. He's a Southside baboon named Elroy. Now, he tells me that Tipper Gore don't live up to her name. I said, "Whaddya mean?" He said, "They was in the place for dinner one time and they bought a $350 meal, and Tipper only left me a lousy five bucks in change and as fer Al, he didn't leave me nothin'!" I call that cheap. This may be how they got so rich...or maybe it's just cos they are Democrats? - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Bill D Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:27 PM " And your comments on "equivocation" when it was Bush being called a fearmonger?"....Bush used fear when he KNEW, or should have known, that the danger he touted was faked! *I* did not say anything about Bush when he first claimed the Saddam had WMDs. He was president...he was not my choice, but he was supposed to have access to good data, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt! There are countless videos of Bush using 'fear' to get HIS policies approved AFTER he should have known better. He either LIED or he was misled...or he was just stupid and couldn't tell good data if it bit his butt! There is no comparison to someone using scientific data supported by many neutral sources to warn us of global warming. This, once again, is your ONLY argument form..."you never said anything when MY side was being criticized"! When will you get past the idea that 'perceived' 'double-standard' speaks to the truth or falsity of a claim? (and I STILL don't care what Teresa Heinz Kerry said!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: ichMael Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:39 PM Didn't Gore inherit Occidental Petroleum from his father? Did the income from that just magically drop to zilch when he was Vice President? It was SO good to see his ass handed to him at Copenhagen, when the world rejected his carbon/green bullshit. I hope there's a full and public accounting of his assets during the divorce proceedings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: mousethief Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:46 PM It was SO good to see his ass handed to him at Copenhagen Haters love that kind of thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: mousethief Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:58 PM I fail to see how I have attacked Gore personnaly. I believe the term is "kicking a man when he's down." Using his divorce as an excuse to shout about how much you disagree with his assessment of global climate change, as if it's the least bit relevant. You wanted to have a go at Gore and this gave you a handy excuse. I acknowledge that you have no valid arguements to make. If you think that about Spaw you're stupider than your posts here let on. PS p-e-r-s-o-n-a-l-l-y a-r-g-u-m-e-n-t-s |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Bill D Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:59 PM The sad damn thing is that it is 'almost' required to have a lot of personal wealth and/or connections in order to seriously run for president. Harry Truman was an anomaly. Gore was executor of his father's estate, and 'inherited' some Occidental stock, but never used it, and the shares were sold after the estate was settled. Gore obviously has income from family sources, as well as speaking engagements. I've been following Gore for 15 years as he wrote about environmental issues, and I see that as totally separate from most of his income. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: mousethief Date: 02 Jun 10 - 10:15 PM I think it's a fitting tribute to Gore that his enemies expend so much hot air talking about him. They probably have increased the overall planetary atmospheric warmth by at least .01°C. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: catspaw49 Date: 03 Jun 10 - 02:08 AM So Bruce......Comparing Gore to big oil is not a personal attack but comparing you to a Twinkie is? I know a mod removed it what with the delicacies needed around here but seriously.......Its ludicrous for me to compare you to a Twinkie.....really, it is! However your comparison of Gore to big oil is also non-starter then isn't it? Hey IckyMicky! Aren't you working on some blog or something about the insanity of Mudcat or something? Here's another web page to start for you! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:40 PM "Gore obviously has income from family sources, " " The most recent figure predicted in 2007 by Fast Company was more than $100 million. Before the 2000 election they predicted the family's net worth was closer to $1 million." I wish I had that kind of "family"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:43 PM Mousecrook, "Using his divorce as an excuse "\ I used the stated facts that AL GORE MADE A LOT OF MONEY pushing his fear-mongoring agenda. Since THAT ( income) is the reason stated for not allowing any anti-Goreist statements in other arguements in the GW debate, I think it has some relevance- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: John MacKenzie Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:50 PM Is calling Mousethief, "Mousecrook", not a personal attack then? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:56 PM Chongo says that you are all a bunch of sissies here with your whining about personal attacks, and that if he was to personally attack you, then you'd really KNOW you'd been personally attacked. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 03 Jun 10 - 01:06 PM Hw e calls me a hater, when I disagree with Gore's supposed "facts" I call him a crook for his dishonesty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Jun 10 - 01:31 PM ...and his dishonesty being what? What is it that's dishonest about Al Gore, Bruce? That he received income for much of the work he's done? Do you work pro bono? Come to think of it, I do - but hey, I'm different. I'm retired. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 03 Jun 10 - 01:41 PM " call him a crook for his dishonesty. " This is refering to MouseCrook. He is being dishonest about MY statements. The point that those who opposed Gore were making money, so their facts can be ignored, while Innocent Saint Al ( making money hand over fist) is to be taken on faith. THAT was what was presented here, in support of telling any who disagreed with Goreists they were wrong. The FACTS that were presented were dismissed out of hand, because those presenting those facts were making money. But that ONLY applied to one side- hence the dishonesty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Skivee Date: 03 Jun 10 - 02:10 PM Bruce, you seem to be slasmming St. Al because he has been a successful businessman while promoting attention to a situation that most scientists I know believe exists, but that many of us normal joes tend to ignore.( please pardon the run-on sentence.) What part of his perported millions were made illegally? Is the fact that he made money immoral? Did he violate some public trust? My favoprite photo of St. Al is the one where he's wearing a loincloth and those gute wire rimmed glasses while sitting crossed-legged at his spinning wheel. Did he promise that he would not make money while promoting knowledge of global climate change? Is the money he made a direct result of his global climate change speachafying? $199 Million on the rubber chicken circuit for showing a slide show??? Damn, I'm in the wrong business. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: beardedbruce Date: 03 Jun 10 - 02:30 PM So you agree those here that stated facts should not be looked at if the person putting them forward gained by the viewpoint expressed? THAT is the question- the money BEHIND BOTH sides should NOT be used to ignore facts- as many here insisted. I am slamming those on Mudcat who insist on different rules for those they support than the rules they insisted on applying to those they disagree with. Any OTHER statemnent of MY view is a lie, false, and will be treated with the disgust that the person presenting it deserves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Al & Tipper Gore Divorce? From: Skivee Date: 03 Jun 10 - 03:27 PM I am slamming those on Mudcat who insist on different rules for those they support than the rules they insisted on applying to those they disagree with. I thought you were posting this to reveal something nefarious about Al Gore that had previously been hidden, but now was revealed by the Gore divorce announcement; and I didn't understand what that was supposed to be. I'm still confused by that. |
