Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?

Subject: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: JedMarum
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:13 AM

This place used to have intelligent discussion about music.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Beccy
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:17 AM

Jed- Apparently, people are letting their passion rule them instead of ruling their passions. It's a big fat Rousseau-fest. Next thing everyone will be out wailing, rending their clothing and beating their breasts in the woods in the name of fighting (insert cause so powerful that it results in people losing their humanity here...)

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: MMario
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:17 AM

The stretch from January through about March seems to be "flame" season on the cat - at least that is the pattern I've seen; I dunno - 'cabin fever' for those of us in the Northern Hemisphere?

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Peter T.
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:19 AM

Probably when people feel helpless, they use any outlet they can find to express themselves. This is an important historic moment, so I for one am content to see what people say. It may turn into music, who can determine? yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:30 AM

JEB! Brother!!! Look at the words of Good ol' Rebel, Patriot Games, and a good amount of other folk music. There has been lots of music here, but rage, well, when marches are banned in New York because of presidential proclamation and we stand poised on the verge of world war, YES it is a time for rage for some folk musicians, and withdrawl into a haze of pretty sounds for others... that's life.
All the best
Larry

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:31 AM

I'm sure it is a difficult time for conservatives, Republicans, Tory/Labourites who support Bush/Blair in Mudcat, because the majority of posters here don't.

But even with emotions running high over the war mongering, I haven't seen flaming being any worse than usual here.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: TIA
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:43 AM

Sorry we're so passionate about the imminent death and dismemberment of thousands of human beings. What were we thinking? Oh, and if you think we've forgotten about the music, don't worry, I had a talk with my nephew about the music he would like at his memorial if things don't go well for him. Hate? Not a shred in me. Rage? You betcher ass.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:48 AM

I just counted, and out of the top 20 threads, 14 were music related. Fifteen if this one is included.

It varies from day to day, and often enough you get a bunch of non-music threads buzzing around at the top, but often enough there aren't many of those around. It depends what's happening out in the big world maybe.

But I don't think you'll ever find a day when a good majority of the total number of threads aren't music related.

It stands to reason that discussion threads, where people are exchanging views and reacting to each other, are going to be longer, and have a quicker turnaround of posts, which would keep them up at the top. A request for specific information normally gets a quick response, and the thread dies away.

I'd like more discussions and explorations about particular songs, and that kind of thing. But they can only happen when someone raises a question or an observation that catches attention - like one Jed did last year about Joe Turner.

But the non-music threads aren't a waste of time and space, they are a large part of what keeps this place alive. And more times than not music and song breaks into them anyway. Those are the kind of things songs get made up about - war and fights and trouble and dissension, and the oddities of human beings and the world we share.

I know people too often forget the difference between an argument and a quarrel, and that's a pity. But more often than not we back off from that, and make use of the opportunity we have here to explore differences we have, in the knowledge that what we have in common (the music and so forth) is more important than what we disagree with each other about (like how the world ought to be run).

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST,vince
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:49 AM

I reckon the hate comes from the intolerance, double-standards and lack of peace and reconciliation there is in the world. As for music try Ian Campbell's 'The Old Man's Song' or 'Across The Hills' (not sure Ian wrote that one).

Pax Vobiscum

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:14 AM

Jed, there is still a small handful of good music threads and some folks are hanging in because of those. The problem is that the folks who want to be involved in that type of discussion have answers, not questions - those would come from newbies most likely. Most of the newbies seem to be attracted to the political debates.

Especially the huge number of "GUESTS." There's also the huge number of posts by one guest, and people tend to reply to her when she's being particularly nast as opposed to when she's not.

There is very little self control and no consensus on what 'self control' even means. You can post anything you want, you can respond to personal attacks, and no worries - if it's over the top, Joe will make it disappear.

I've posted "why can't people be nicer" messages before. The responses I've seen to me and others usually include things like:

"I don't see anything wrong" (and the implied: "...and I don't give a shit if you do."),
"There's plenty of music here" (and the implied: "and I don't give a shit if people were so bothered by the anger and/or volumes of BS they left because it's Not My Problem),
"It's Max's/Joe's fault for a) not making the site members only and/or b) deleting stuff that doesn't fit (and the implied: "according to me. Because I/we can't be expected to agree on any 'rules' about what belongs and what's civil"),
"Just read what you want to read" (and the implied: "because you should be able to predict which threads will turn nasty")
--Not including the standard "Use the BS filter, dumbass" because Jed wasn't focusing on BS but the "hate and rage."

There are also people who agree with you but don't think there's anything that can be done. I think there is - not to stop the angry stuff but to create more discussions about music. You can't make things go away, but you can make things appear. The bottom line, the ultimate truth is that you only control your own actions.

You might not have any questions, but a thread doesn't have to start with a question. Rick's started threads about guitar geek stuff. Maybe there's a music issue you feel strongly about or know a lot about? You can simply open a door and lets others come in. It does take a bit of work to think of a topic that will be interesting musically, but it beats sitting around wishing someone else will eventually post something you're interested in. (And no, it ain't easy or others would be doing it.)

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: nutty
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:23 AM

I think 'Across the hills' was written by Leon Rosselson

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:23 AM

A lot of it has come as a direct result of the fearmongering, since day one, of bush and his cabinet. When the leader of a country assaults the citizens with dire predictions, day after day, and when the supposed repercussions effect the whole world, people tend to get edgy, tense, depressed, downright scared, etc.; they are being *programmed* by him and the media, to be this way. In other words, pretty much what PeterT said.

I do weary of there being so many threads about it all, though.

kat

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:24 AM

Vince, is it OLD MAN'S SONG (DON QUIXOTE) by Bill Caddick and John Tams? It may be a different song, but this one has wonderful lyrics!

If they ask you did I travel light
With no provisions close beside me
Say my saddlebags were filled
With all the dreams I need to guide me

(Sorry - musical thread creep)

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST,Vince
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:31 AM

Hi Jeri, yes that version sounds a reet good song. Never seen John Tams live - must try and remedy that. Err the old man's song i mean starts.....'At the turning of he century, i was a boy of five
            Me father went to fight the boars and never came back
            alive.......etc

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: JedMarum
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:41 AM

jes' bitchin!

I know there's still plenty of music discussion here - I take your point McGrath, Jeri, others. I just spend more time these days, digging through the old archived discussions and not bothering with the current list. And that's probably OK. Sometimes I resurrect an old discussion, if I have a new comment to add.

And I was not talking about the war discussions, in my original post. Of course people feel passionate about their points-of-view. I am more concerned about the lack of respect for the opinions of others that some of us display. It is not general, I recognize that many Mudcatters disagree with their friends with grace and dignity - but I see too many folks willing to make personal attacks. That sucks.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST,mary v.
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:34 AM

Jed...I totally agree.
I'm new at this..and
I don't understand the anger..
but not for me to understand I suppose.
I love the music discussions.
But ...I too....go back to
old postings...thats also a fun
way to connect with others.
Thanks to all who really use
the discussion form for what I believe
it is intended to be used for.
from Mary V.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:43 AM

Gee, I had been thinking it has been relatively calm since about Christmas...
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:08 PM

The hate and rage has come from a switch being thrown on Sept 11, 2001. Since 1947 the CIA has been employing Nazi 'doctors' rescued from the German death-camps. Those doctors were specialists in mind-control and psychological manipulation, and they were employed to develop programs like the ones bearing fruit now.

First of all, a dissemination method had to be devised, so a TV was put in every home and bar, etc. Now, most of us get our cues from TV, and when we're told to be nervous, we get nervous. But it's all scripted. Al Qeada was created by the CIA, and when the CIA needs them again, they'll drag their asses out of the hot tubs in Sacramento or Dallas or Denver and go to work.

Just don't be fooled by the 'big lie'...if you're not with us you're with them. The Bushes are just front-men for the World Bank, and they ARE 'them'. Ashcroft just got caught lying about the existence of draft legislation which will be passed after he and his boss conduct another terrorist attack in America. And the new bill (Patriot Act 2) will deny American citizenship to any person who belongs to a group the Attorney General 'deems' to be terroristic in nature. That means any church, civic organization, political organization, etc.

So the Bush junta's days are numbered now. But DON'T let their replacements lull you into a false sense of victory. Democrats are the second head of the beast. All legislators who passed the first Patriot Act need to be dealt with, and when the new batch of legislators begin their service by attending 500 legal executions, maybe they will be a little more obedient to their oaths of office.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Tinker
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:12 PM

Joe, I think since Christmas there's been a calmer response to some of the obvious flame and troll guest(s). But, I think Kat and Peter have a really good point. The good natured, good friends at the top of our lungs type of disagreements are fewer are far between. The deserate need to make personal opinion not only understood, but believed has raised the intensity bar.

But, there are so many threads these days and all those archives... I got a free Calico CD in the mail yesterday from a promo Aidan posted, I'm heading to Maine next month to meet even more Mudcatters... the convivium is still here it's just a bigger universe to sort through.

Tinker

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:17 PM

As Joe has spoken, so shall I
A'speak to Jed's fine question why
'Cause music posters make this place
A site of most transcendent grace

But oh so much of 'folk' a hearkens
To struggles in a day that darkens
And though we get some dander up
'Tis inspiration on which we sup

I have, on several sad occasions
Personalised the threats of nations
Thus coming here has kept me sane
Where cooler kinder folks explain

Thank you all for being so good! ttr

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Peter T.
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:31 PM

Guest, take your medication. yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:43 PM

Awferchrissakes Marum, get a gawddman grip!! What kind of shit are you stirring with tripe like that? You got a problem, then you deal with it motherfucker and leave the rest of us alone. Go take that whiney crap somewhere else....wrap it up in a phlegm bag of self and shove it up your ass. Ain't nobody pissed here but you, you simple asshole!!! I don't see anything full of hate and rage here!!! Hell man, I feel good! Take a pill.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:48 PM

Bush # 1 re-located 3,500+ Iraqi Republican Guards to the U.S. after Desert Storm. Public record. Clinton brought some more before congress shut down the practice. These guys are going to be all over the news before long...as 'infiltrators'. Brought here by Bush / Clinton to do the job coming up, Peter. Yeah, stock up on your medications.

The Iraqis are going to be linked to 'right wing militia', by the way, in order to get liberals behind the 'war on terrorism'. Connie Chung already planted the seed in an interview on TV. That's probably why CFR spokesman Gary Hart mentioned Dallas and Denver when he was talking about smallpox. Dallas especially. Lots of right wingers there. They'll bust some Iraqi and John Bircher together and after Patriot Act 2 passes because you're all wetting yourselves, the John Birch Society will be fair game for any cop who wants to rack up a little overtime while getting in some target practice.

And then YOUR group will be next.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:03 PM

Dear guest:

In keeping with my most respected friend Jed's desire that hate and rage be less frequently displayed on the forum, I would like to invite yo to consider the possibility of placing your world view in a more secure and less vulnerable, less-exposed position. I am sure this will be of value and help to you as you continue to deal with the momentous --not to say overwhelming -- issues which make up your inner landscape. I am willing to provide detailed instructions should you require them; to begin with, I would be gratified to know that you have located and are in communication with a competent chiropractor who is skilled at rectifying contortion-provoked subluxations and remedying conditions such as 270-degree reverse scoliosis and cranial-GI displacement. Do let me know, my friend, and we can proceed to the rest of this program, which I am sure will bring great improvement and satisfaction to our relationship.

Sincerely yours,

Amos

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:06 PM

I agree with Jed, and that's why I spend less time here too. I watched the evolution of several people that I used to respect...

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:15 PM

Dozens of families of Sept 11 victims picketed the White House a year ago with placards that said 'Bush Did It'. Because you've taken no action to hold the criminals responsible for their actions, Amos, you will now die in a concentration camp. Most likely. Sorry if that interferes with folk music. Amuse your lonesome Nazi guards with the anal talk.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: gaber
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:17 PM

I don't know if it is hate, but more frustration. Everyone wants to live in a world with no worries, but that is just not the case. No one wants to avoid a conflict more than our friends and loved ones in the military. We should pray that cooler heads prevail and Iraq realizes that there will be no winner in this. The US will look like a bully and Saddam just looks crazy. I, However, don't see Saddam making any sort of compromise. So, if something does go down, all we can do is support our troops and pray they get back safe.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:18 PM

Oh, thanks, G....I always wondered what my future held. Now, thanks to you, I can proceed with clarity and certainty, knowing I am bound for a Nazi concentration camp. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm? :>) Play elsewhere, wouldja?


A

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Beccy
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:19 PM

Man o Friday. Is there any way to cut that guy/gal off? Maybe if some wunderbar tech-head could determine a way to filter out GUEST (anon, only) we could have some nice conversations.

It has been my experience lately that there will be a nice, even heated-yet polite, discussion going on and Anon. GUEST here will come along and start a fire. I am not interested in what they say as they have not the decency to sign their name to their posts. I just wanna throttle them (figuratively speaking, of course.) Now- give me a little leeway on the throttle remark as I am pregnant and full of "raging" hormones. I think that's from whence my rage comes.

:-)

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: MMario
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:26 PM

To the tune of "Feed the Birds" - with apologies to troll - who is not a "troll" in the internet sense.

Feed the trolls, tuppence a flame...
Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a flame!
Feed the trolls, tuppence a flame!
Tuppence...
Tuppence...
tuppence a flame!

All around the whole forum
the guests and mudcatters
are at one another's throats...

And though you can't hear them...
you know someone's laughing
Because they thought it was a joke!

tho' the words
are blatent and crude
just respond;
they're trolling for you!

Feed the trolls, tuppence a flame...
Tuppence...
tuppence...
tuppence a flame!

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST,alinact
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:29 PM

Amos

Would your chiropractor be able to fix a sore shoulder - I'm really suffering at the moment.

Allan

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 01:44 PM

Alan,

Sure -- but I hope it's not from the exercises I was recommending to wunderkind above.

Beccy: Congratulations to you!! My deepest respect for the rage of pregnant hormones in defense of the future! :>) Obviously, you're doing something right! (And I ain't gonna ask what! :>))

A

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: harpgirl
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:07 PM

In my view, the rage is primarily coming from the malignant commandering of Mudcat by our anti-social and sickeningly psychopathic GUEST. Moroever, no one with the power to do anything about this anti-social facist, who is trying to destroy our little community out of envy, will do anything about it. If no one will exclude this narcisistis psychopath, then why not shut the Mudcat down? He has effectively spoiled it for me!

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST,Woodsie - cookies gone cant be bothered
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:16 PM

Grrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!


.....That's better

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: nutty
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:17 PM

You can never expect harmony when the subject is either politics or religion.

Try debating music.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:19 PM

Good on ya, there nutty. So right you are!

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:27 PM

Well, harpgirl, thnaks fir not pitching me in there with GUEST. I have been known to rant a tad.

But as to the basic question of "hate and rage". Maybe I just haven't been around the joint long enough to have an educated opion but I don't see much of it all. Yeah, I see a lot of folks who have passionate beliefs but considering the world situation, one shopuld expect this since these beliefs are the fabric of democracy.

Now as for "hate and rage" in general. The source for me are the extremists who highjacked democracy in the 2000 elections, are trying to gut the Bill of Rights and using threats of war as the centerpiece of America's foriegn policy. And it's not that I hate *them* as much as their idealogies.

Bobert

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:31 PM

Harpgirl. Please don't let the lonely words of a crying cyber fool shape your involvement with the 'cat... The tiny shred of truth GUEST provides is already common knowledge to most of us, and the rest is good for a laugh...

But you are something special, Harpgirl, and I want you around... Please don't be shy in reaction to a silly dude dancing around a public forum... I for one am glad and refreshed by the fact that such civility as we often find here can exist outside the galvanised fence of the country club... ttr

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:33 PM

I agree Bobert. Since the war propagandeering has picked up in the last few weeks, so have the number of the BS conversations about it here. I do believe it is in direct proportion to the media assault the US public is under from the Bush administration and their final drive to war.

But you must remember, for the people who support the war and/or Bush and/or both, some are interpreting our passion for peace as hate and rage.

There won't be any changing of their minds by me, that much is for certain. But you can keep working on 'em. I work my magic with/upon different folks in my own mysterious ways, just like you do.   Just different ways of filling in the blank above, is all.

Peace, bro. :)

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: harpgirl
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:36 PM

ah Bobert, you are not in the same league with GUEST when it comes to annoying...and you love birds!....so rant on...

Thomas, thank you for the kind words. I love your poems as usual. However, I have had my fill of the psychopathic GUEST. I don't understand why Joe or Max or a clone doesn't expose this person so I can loathe someone with a face, or at least a name!!!!!

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: harpgirl
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:37 PM

.. I would hardly call it magic, Mr. Psychopath!

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:42 PM

aLL THIS RAGE COMES FROM THE NEED FOR ANOTHER cd FROM THE GREAT SORCHA DORCHA! But that will be remidied soon! one is in the works...
Larry

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:43 PM

Let's just hope that the music and not the politics prevail when Jed comes to Takoma Park for the MiniFest--Several folks have indicated annoyance that FSGW is sponsoring someone with his political views at a time like this--

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:53 PM

Matriot, you just think that folks don't recognize your magic. The facts are that you are well known, and mostly ignored. In fact, your rants today got a rise, I will give you that, but already folks are just seeing who you are and the ignoring is about to begin.

Mick

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 02:54 PM

GUEST 2:43... You are cordially invited to spend the rest of all eternity in the hallowed halls of eternal damnation... or, in other words, gotohell.

ttr

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Ed.
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 03:03 PM

What a lovely thread...

This is Max's forum and he has chosen to let anything go, no membership, very limited censorship etc.

Unsuprisingly, the result is what it is, a bun fight.

It's something of a waste of energy to bluster about saying how we think it should be. Max wants it this way.

Like Mary in Kentucky, I just don't bother coming here so much. I've found nicer places.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Ed.
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 03:17 PM

Sorry, just to clarify, I meant 'no compulsory membership'

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: John Hardly
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 03:53 PM

I agree Jed,

I think it's just an influx of new posters who are here expressly for the politics, not the music, and they seem to be the kind of poster that now populates most internet forums. Sure the complex, volatile times have much to do with it. As PeterT said, when feeling impotent, people look for some outlet to express themselves through which they feel like they are being heard/feel like they matter (Hopefully I'm not mischaracterizing what he said).

But I have been wondering for some time now about the relative shrinking of the pool of participators here and on other forums (I will NOT say fora. What? as opposed to "Flauna"?). When I first found the mudcat I hardly ever noticed a crossover between posters here and at other music-related forums. Now I am getting the distinct impression that there are only about eleventy-four total participants on all the forums combined. When you add to that the repetitive nature of the nature of the posts, there's not tons of new blood infusing new thought into the mix.

As to incivility increasing here....
.....I think that earlier on there was a certain amount of mystery as to whether we would ever meet up and, in the flesh, share meals and a tune or two. With the hope for such a meeting being at least in the background of our intercourse, we were more civil (hell, I didn't want to piss off Big Mick --for example-- and find out that he really was BIG when I met him face to face :^)... now I don't give a damn -- I've met him and I'm betting I can out run 'im!).

There was also a certain amount of respect given to the unknown musicianship (something I think most of us respect here) -- much as I've heard many guitarist comment when they play out -- "I'm not nearly so cocky as I used to be since I figured out that, on any given night, there's a 16 year old kid in the audience who can play me under the table!".

Now, with those whom we are quite sure are accomplished musically, we are more civil. We guard our bitchery. But I think there is a growing sense here that there are (on a percetage of participation basis) quite a few less serious musicians here......or, if they are serious, they are not accomplished.

Thus, at least one more of the governors on our incivility has been removed.

Said more simply: If, before we hit the "submit" button we thought we were going to meet in person the person to whom we address our post the very next day...

OR we thought, before we hit the "submit" button, that the person to whom we are addressing our post was Jean Ritchie or Art Thieme (some REAL possibilities) or James Taylor, Paul Simon, Tim O'Brien, Rani Arbo, Alison Krauss (fill in the blank with a musician you admire)...

My guess is that you'd see a brand new civility around here.

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 04:00 PM

We're gonna miss ya Ed... Happy trails! Y'all come back now, Ya'heah! ttr

Subject: RE: Where'd All the Hate and Rage Come From?
From: DougR
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 04:29 PM

Amos: not to worry! We will send you care packages on a regular basis. :>)

DougR