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Subject: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 19 Mar 01 - 12:13 PM cclick for previos 5 parts
for the first thread on this please see thread 23672 Note: We reserve the right to edit or delete messages in this thread, and we may delete tunes once they are available in the Digital Tradition. There's an effort about to collect tunes for all the Digital Tradition songs. The missing tunes thread (click) has information about tunes that are needed, and about tunes that have been posted in other locations. The Mudcat Cafe has over 23,000 threads posted so far, so we have to take some care to ensure that we don't lose tunes and lyrics that are posted.
I hope that clears up what we need. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 19 Mar 01 - 12:15 PM 2870) QUEENSLAND OVERLANDERS- NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 19 Mar 01 - 02:47 PM 3092) THE SEAMEN'S HYMN - NWC file sent to Joe 2934) RING THOSE GOLDEN BELLS- NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 20 Mar 01 - 01:29 PM 2957) ROBIN HOOD AND GUY OF GISBORNE -NWC file sent to Joe 2966) ROCK AND PICKLE TOW - file sent to Joe. 2979) RODGER YOUNG - NWC file sent to Joe 2982) ROLL YOUR LEG OVER - NWC file sent to joe 3054) SALLY WHEATLEY - NWC file sent to Joe no tune file and found tune file updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Snuffy Date: 20 Mar 01 - 07:55 PM 1512 THE HERMIT - ON 01-Feb-01 Bill D posted "you ever sing the bawdy song "Roll Your Leg Over?" thats the basic tune to the Hermit", which Mmario just cleared as 2982). |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 20 Mar 01 - 08:42 PM Thanks snuffy! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 21 Mar 01 - 04:01 PM 1128) FIFTY WAYS TO HOSE YOUR CODE - NWC file sent to Joe 1512) THE HERMIT - nwc FILE SENT to Joe 3109) SHAKING OF THE SHEETS (or: The Dance Of Death)- NWC file sent to Joe 3199) SOLAR CAROL - NWC file sent to Joe 3216) SON OF MARS - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 22 Mar 01 - 04:30 PM 3286) SUICIDE IS PAINLESS (MASH THEME SONG)-NWC file sent to Joe. 3301) SUZANNA'S A FUNICLE MAN - see tunefile oldsow 3306) SWEET DAKOTA LAND - see songfile dakotlnd 2628) THE OLD SOW (2)see tunefile oldsow 3309) SWEET FORGET-ME-NOT - same as 3310 3338) TALK ABOUT SUFFERING - same as 3337 "no tune" and "found tune" files updated.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:27 PM 3467) TOCHER, THE - NWC file sent to Joe 3480) TOO CLOSE TO THE WIND - NWC file sent to Joe 3469) THE TOD (A)- see "twinkle twinkle little star" 3495) TRAINS OF WATERLOO - NWC file sent to Joe 3527) TURNER'S CAMP ON THE CHIFPEWA - NWC file sent to Joe files updated etc... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 26 Mar 01 - 03:37 PM 1978) THE KNOXVILLE GIRL - nwc file sent to joe 3552) UNCLE SAM'S FARM - nwc file sent to joe 3640) WEAR A GREEN WILLOW - NWC file sent to Joe 3677) THE WEXFORD GIRL - NWC file sent to joe
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 27 Mar 01 - 04:25 PM 286) BE PREPARED - NWC file sent to Joe 2593) THE OLD DOPE PEDDLER - lehrer - NWC file sent to Joe 3195) SO LONG, MOM - lehrer - NWC file sent to Joe 3697) WHEN ALL MEN SING - NWC file from Nutty sent to Joe 3730) WHEN YOU ARE OLD AND GREY - lehrer- NWC file sent to Joe 3758) THE WIENER SCHNITZEL WALTZ - lehrer - NWC file sent to joe "not tune" and "found tune" files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 28 Mar 01 - 10:45 AM 3831) THE WRECK OF THE HURON - a version sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 28 Mar 01 - 04:28 PM 6) A-CREEPIN' AND A-CRAWLIN'- NWC file sent to Joe 71) ALTEH BUCK - nwc file sent to Joe files updated.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 29 Mar 01 - 01:02 AM "Happy Dick" is of about 1720. He was a Richard Jones, who died in 1769. George Monroe composed a tune for it about 1725, but it was more often sung to "Gossip Joan". There is a version of "Gossip Joan" in DT with two tunes for it. See Scarce 1 file on my website for the full original "Gossip Joan" and S1.HTM for it's original tune as an ABC. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 29 Mar 01 - 08:22 AM Thanks Bruce! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 29 Mar 01 - 04:03 PM NWC of Happy Dick sent to Joe - in addition: 186) THE BAGGAGE COACH AHEAD - levy box 58 item 3 AND max hunter - 3 NWC sent to Joe
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 02 Apr 01 - 04:23 PM 3385) THERE STANDS THE GLASS - NWC files sent to Joe 412) BOLD PRIVATEER- NWC file sent to Joe; OR see High Germany - tunefile[ WARGRMN2; OR see The Bold Privateer (2) - tunefile[ BLDPRIV2 415) BONAPARTE'S RETREAT - NWC file sent to Joe 421) BONNIE JEANNIE O' BETHELNIE - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 03 Apr 01 - 04:52 PM 492) BRIGHT PHOEBE - NWC file sent to Joe 495) BRIGHT SUMMER MORNING - NWC file sent to Joe 507) BRITISH MAN O' WAR - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 04 Apr 01 - 04:34 PM 491) BRIGHT FINE GOLD - NWC file sent to Joe (See also BRIGHT, FINE GOLD) 496) BRIGHT, FINE GOLD - NWC file sent to Joe (see also Bright Fine Gold) 632) THE CHRISTMAS GOOSE - NWC file sent to Joe 635) CHRISTMAS IS NOW DRAWING NEAR AT HAND - NWC file sent to Joe 673) COCKIE BENDIE - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 05 Apr 01 - 04:31 PM 793) THE DANDY-O - NWC file sent to Joe the "no tune" file and the "found tune" file have both been updated. They are of course available for anyone who would care to try their hand and/or scan the dots in their possession and send them to someone who CAN put them into electronic form.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 06 Apr 01 - 04:08 PM 1009) THE EMIGRANT FROM NEWFOUNDLAND- NWC file sent to Joe 1019) ENNISCORTHY CAROL - NWC file sent to Joe 1073) FALSE TRUE LOVE - NWC sent to Joe files updated, yadda yadda blah-blah-blah,natter,natter,shriek |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 06 Apr 01 - 10:06 PM 1071) FALSE SIR JOHN = child4C - Bronson 4.83 - DT songfile flsesir2 NWC file sent to Joe |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 07 Apr 01 - 09:58 PM 932) DRAKE'S DRUM Words by Henry Newbolt, music by Florian Pascal (1897). I've made a midi from a 1906 edition of the sheet music. As was often the case with songs of the day, the melody varies from verse to verse, so I've done the whole thing: one midi of just the vocal line, and one with the piano accompaniment. NOTE: There are some errors in the DT file: verses 1 and 2 have been transposed (I think that they are often sung in that order nowadays, but we may as well show what the composers intended), and the refrain, which should follow verses 1 and 3, has been omitted:
An' doubt ye not that Drake'll 'ear the drum,
3710) WHEN I WAS IN MY PRIME The DT text appears to have been learnt from a Pentangle record (Cruel Sister, 1970) and contains some mistakes which are detailed in another thread: When I Was In My Prime - symbolism. I haven't so far found the traditional source of this version, so have made a midi by ear from the recording.
2272) MARY FAGAN There is a field recording of this song at the Max Hunter Folk Song Collection: |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 09 Apr 01 - 10:58 AM Thanks Malcolm! also: 3241) SOUTH STREET WALTZ - NWC from Mark Cohen sent to Joe 3404) THESE HANDS - NWC file from Mark sent to Joe 3814) WONDERFUL SHOES - NWC file from Mark sent to Joe 620) THE CHILDREN DRAW GUNS - NWC file from Mark sent to Joe THANK YOU MARK!
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 09 Apr 01 - 04:08 PM 1115) FEMALE RAMBLING SAILOR - nwc sent to joe 1117) FEMALE TRANSPORT - NWC file sent to joe "no tune" file update. "found tune" file updated. either available on request. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 10 Apr 01 - 04:17 PM 1316) GLASGOW SHIPS - NWC file sent to Joe 1341) GOING DOWN THE VALLEY ONE BY ONE - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 11 Apr 01 - 05:07 PM 1372) GORCH FOCK LIED - NWC file sent to Joe 1380) GRANDMA'S LYE SOAP - NWC file sent to Joe 1402) GREEN SPECKLED FROGS -NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 12 Apr 01 - 03:06 PM 3056) THE SALT - NWC file sent to Joe 1383) GRANNY'S IN THE CELLAR - NWC sent to Joe - thank you Jeri! 1384) GRANNY'S IN THE CELLAR (2)- same as Granny's in the Celler 1432) HAIL THE YURT - see Babylon is fallen (2)- NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 13 Apr 01 - 11:48 PM 2369) MONTH OF JANUARY - NWC file sent to Joe 2732) PEACH PICKIN TIME IN GEORGIA - NWC file sent to Joe 1597) HUDSON RIVER STEAMER - NWC file sent to Joe 1756) IMPEACHMENT TIME IN GEORGIA - NWC file sent to Joe files will get updated Monday...
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 14 Apr 01 - 08:20 PM 836) DELAWARE RIVER - NWC file from Mark Cohen sent to Joe |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 16 Apr 01 - 09:05 AM files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 16 Apr 01 - 02:03 PM 1473) HAVE COURAGE, MY BOY, TO SAY NO - NWC file sent to Joe 1484) HEART'S EASE - NWC file sent to Joe 1526) HICKS THE PIRATE - NWC file sent to Joe 1608) HUNT THE WREN- NWC file sent to Joe 1624) I AM LARD - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 17 Apr 01 - 08:15 AM 1776) IN THE VINTERTIME - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 17 Apr 01 - 08:19 AM As an FYI - about 2396 tunes to go in the list from the Oct 99 DT.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 17 Apr 01 - 05:03 PM 2240) MAJOR ANDREWS' EXECUTION - NWC file sent to Joe 2364) THE MONKEY TURNED BARBER - NWC file sent to Joe two thousand three hundred and ninety FOUR! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 18 Apr 01 - 05:25 PM 2471) NEVER HIT GRANNY - same as "Never hit your ganny with a shovel" 2472) NEVER HIT YOUR GRANNY WITH A SHOVEL - NWC file sent to Joe 2492) NIGHT THEY DROVE OLD DIXIE DOWN - @ http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7907#48373 I'm sure a lot of the 2391 remaining tunes are sitting out there in songbooks on the shelves of catters. Scan 'em in - feel free to e-mail them to me (lpola@edutech.org) and I'll transcribe the suckers. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 19 Apr 01 - 01:02 PM 2506) NOBLE LADS OF CANADA - NWC file sent to Joe 2532) O DUTIFUL RAPACIOUS LIES - NWC file sent to Joe 2603) OLD GRANNAU WEAL - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 19 Apr 01 - 04:37 PM 2653) ONCE THERE WERE GREENFIELDS-approximate NWC file sent to Joe. 2760) PICKLE CAROL - NWC file sent to Joe 2787) PLEASE MR. CONDUCTOR - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Snuffy Date: 19 Apr 01 - 06:06 PM 1406) GREENBERG'S is a parody of 2653) ONCE THERE WERE GREENFIELDS |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 20 Apr 01 - 08:54 AM got it! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 20 Apr 01 - 02:14 PM 2821) PRETTY PEGGY OF DERBY, O - NWC file sent to Joe 2855) PUSH BOYS PUSH - NWC file sent to Joe 2864) QUEEN MARY'S MEN - NWC file sent to Joe 2874) QUITE EARLY MORNING - @ http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=6081#34949 - reminder sent to Joe 2,380 left to go - (approximately)from the Oct '99 DT files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:23 AM refresh |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:29 PM 2066) LET NO MAN STEAL YOUR THYME - NWC file sent to Joe 2863) QUEEN MARY - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 24 Apr 01 - 10:11 AM 3874) THE ZULU KING - Joe offer posted at http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=34457 files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 24 Apr 01 - 10:36 AM 3872) YOUTH'S THE SEASON - NWC file sent to Joe 3873) ZACK'S BAYONET BOYS- NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:10 PM 3864) YOUNG REDIN - NWC file sent to Joe files updated 2374 to go - more or less - hopefully less don't forget - scanned notation can be sent to lpola@edutech.org to be transcribed. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 24 Apr 01 - 02:17 PM me again - it's a good day on the web.... 3835) THE WREN SONG - NWC file sent to Joe 3836) Y'ALL COME - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. You too can add tunes to the songs in the DT. see above. yada yada yada yada, nag, nag, nag, nag. Aren't you all glad I'll be gone this weekend? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 24 Apr 01 - 04:38 PM 3745) WHO LIVITH SO MERRY - tune found on Bruce's site - NWC file to Joe files updated. again. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 25 Apr 01 - 03:41 PM 1742) IF I COULD SHIMMY LIKE MY SISTER KATE - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: IvanB Date: 29 Apr 01 - 12:29 AM 1511) HERE'S TO THE MORNING GLORY - NWC file sent to Joe, MIDI to Alan. MidiTxt also posted in the 'Morning Glory' thread. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 30 Apr 01 - 09:06 AM *happy dance* Ivan, this is one I have been looking for for ages. I have sung the song for over 12 years and NEVER seen music for it... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 30 Apr 01 - 03:17 PM 2154) LONG TIME TRAVELIN'-xerox from burke - NWC file sent to Joe 1676) I WILL ARISE- xerox from burke - NWC sent to Joe 1788) IS THERE ANYBODY HERE LIKE MARY A-WEEPIN'- xerox from burke; NWC file sent to Joe file updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 01 May 01 - 12:01 PM make your contribution while the numbers last! only 2366 left to go (about, approximately, from the Oct '99 version) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 01 May 01 - 04:49 PM 3331) TAKE HER IN YOUR ARMS - NWC file sent to Joe - tune= Otter's Holt per chantyranger
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 02 May 01 - 03:31 PM no luck today. just refreshing it for the heck of it. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 07 May 01 - 02:04 PM 1365) THE GOOD SHIP VENUS - NWC file sent to Joe
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 09 May 01 - 02:54 PM 1240) FROLICSOME SEA CAPTAIN or TIT FOR TAT - NWC file sent to Joe |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: IvanB Date: 14 May 01 - 11:52 PM Sent four tunes in NWC format to Joe and MIDI to Alan. These actually clear seven missing tunes from the list, since the two Brendan entries are basically the same and the Franklin entries seem to be variants or fragments of the same song.
483) BRENDAN'S FAIRE ISLE, DT filename [BRENDAN also
This tune also scans to LADY FRANKLIN'S LAMENT DT filename[ LADYFRAN, which has a tune listed, but not one with which I'm familiar.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 15 May 01 - 09:55 AM The tune given with [ LADYFRAN is a cross-reference to that given with one of the DT sets of The Croppy Boy. That tune, apparantly Irish in origin, was quite widely-used for execution songs, and variants of it turn up with MacCassery (MacCafferty) and some versions of Newlyn Town (The Flash Lad, etc.) It's also the tune usually used for Lord Franklin (though not precisely the same as the Croppy Boy variant, of course). [ LADYFRN4 was quoted from a book that didn't include melodies, so we'll never know how it was sung, but my money would be on a form of the usual tune. [ LADYFRN2, on the other hand, is from the Sam Henry collection, so there may well be notation for it in the book. The set most people will be familiar with will probably be the one recorded by Martin Carthy, and later by John Renbourne and Pentangle; the majority of later recordings by Revival performers seem to have been learnt, at one remove or another, from those records rather than from primary sources. Again, a variant of the usual tune, though I don't know where Carthy got it. Now, if Ivan's tune is different, I'm looking forward to hearing it. Where did you get it? Oh, while I'm here, did you ever get anywhere with that Tonic Sol-Fa set of Ailein Duinn? I've since found several versions in standard notation, but the TSF one is closest textually to the DT file, so would provide the most appropriate tune. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 15 May 01 - 10:51 AM Thank you both, gentlemen! the "missing" and "found" tune files have been updated. rough guesstimate for the oct 99 DT now stands at.... two thousand three hundred and FIFTY-six |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 16 May 01 - 09:43 PM 1091) FAREWELL TO CARLINGFORD - NWC file sent to Joe - thanks to Mick Brackn and alison |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 17 May 01 - 09:00 AM files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 17 May 01 - 04:38 PM 1260) GARLIC SONG - thanks to Mark Cohen - NWC file sent to Joe |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 18 May 01 - 11:59 AM Re Franklin: Radriano posted .abc for the version of Lady Franklin's Lament for her Husband given in the Oxford Book of Sea Songs in the Ship in Distress thread, here: Lady Franklin's Lament for her Husband. It doesn't bear much resemblance to the better-known tune; might it be the one IvanB found? Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 18 May 01 - 02:11 PM Major file update - about 275 files marked by people who think they have them and are working on transcriptions. plus - 784) DADDY, YOU'VE BEEN ON MY MIND - sent by Mousethief, forwarded to Joe 1521) HEY NELLY NELLY - mousethief sent; forwarded to Joe 2161) LORD GREGORY - sent by Mousethief - forwarded to JOe all three above NWC files. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 18 May 01 - 03:51 PM With many thanks to the Rodential Procurer of things... 2323) MICHAEL FROM MOUNTAINS - NWC file sent by MouseThief - forwarded to Joe 3413) THIRSTY BOOTS - NWC sent by mousethief ; forwarded 1668) I THINK ITS GONNA RAIN TODAY - NWC file sent by MouseThief -forwarded 1984) LA COLOMBE - NWC file sent by Mousethief - forwarded count down to (approx) 2347 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: IvanB Date: 18 May 01 - 08:04 PM Malcolm, no, my tune is also a Croppy Boy variant, and probably is from one of the sources you mentioned in your first post. Unfortunately, unless I can figure out where I first retrieved it, or hear it performed, I'll probably not know which it is. I do know I heard it on one of the FM Folk Music programs to which I listen and the tune as sung was pretty much like the one I downloaded. Ivan |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 18 May 01 - 09:35 PM Fair enough; I just wondered. The reason ( apart from time) that I haven't done even more tunes than I already have is that a lot of the DT files refer to specific recordings (or printed sources), and to attach tunes to them more-or-less at random, just because they happen to have the same title, is, I think, worse than leaving them without tune. Obviously, other people would disagree with me, but I really do think that it's better to get it right than just to bung stuff in to make up the weight. People take the DT seriously, and we owe it to them to give them the closest we can get to authentic information. Otherwise, we're just another of those unaccountable websites that publishes nonsense which innocents then quote to others as absolute truth... Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Snuffy Date: 19 May 01 - 09:33 AM 2363) A MON LIKE THEE 2688) OUR BILL ABCs/Miditexts posted in this thread Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 21 May 01 - 11:54 AM 181) BAD LEROY BROWN - NWC file sent by MouseThief 368) BLESSED ARE THE MEEK - NWC file sent by MouseThief 661) CLOUDY- NWC file sent by MouseThief 1505) HERE COMES THE SUN - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1671) I WANNA GO BACK TO DIXIE - lehrer - NWC file sent by MouseThief 1849) JESUS LOVES ME - NWC file sent in by MouseThief 1923) KATHY'S SONG - NWC file sent by MouseThief 2049) LEAVES THAT ARE GREEN - NWC file sent by MouseThief 2063) LET ERIN REMEMBER THE DAYS OF OLD - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 2553) OFF TO PHILADELPHIA - midi sent from Lin in Kansas 2778) PLASTIC JESUS - midi sent by Lin in kansas 2779) PLASTIC JESUS (2)- see Plastic Jesus - songfile plastjes 3432) THREE FISHERS - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 3744) WHO KNOWS WHERE THE TIME GOES?- NWC file sent by MouseThief forwarded more to come
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 21 May 01 - 01:16 PM 1680) I WISH I WAS SINGLE AGAIN - midi sent from Lin in Kansas 2651) ONCE I KNEW A PRETTY GIRL - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 3465) TO THE SWEET SUNNY SOUTH - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1358) GOOD NEWS - mid sent by Lin in Kansas about 2328 to go! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 21 May 01 - 04:14 PM 184) BAD NEWS - midi sent from Lin in Kansas 463) A BOY NAMED SUE - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1266) THE GAY CABALLERO - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1694) I'LL HOLD YOUR HAND IN MINE -lehrer - NWC file sent by MouseThief 2103) A LITTLE BIT OF CUCUMBER - midi sent by Lin in Kansas more to come. files updated as fast as possible |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 21 May 01 - 04:33 PM last two for today... 901) DON'T GO OUT TONIGHT, DEAR FATHER - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1027) ESKIMO NELL (Amalgamated)- midi sent by Lin in Kansas (and "they" said this HAD no tune. HA!) many thanks to Lin and to Mousethief - both of whom have been ransacking songbooks... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 22 May 01 - 11:13 AM 200) THE BALLAD OF IRA HAYES - midi sent by lin in Kansas 907) DON'T TAKE YOUR GUNS TO TOWN -midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1929) KEEP ON THE SUNNY SIDE - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1682 - I won't go huntin' with you Jake - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 2391) MOVING FATHER'S GRAVE (2)- midi sent by Lin in Kansas 2431) MY LITTLE GRASS SHACK IN KEALAKEKUA, HAWAII - midi sent by Lin in Texas 3065) SAMUEL SMALL (SAM HALL)- midi sent by Lin in Kansas 3201) A SOLDIER JUST FROM THE MARINE - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 3410) THEY'RE RIOTING IN AFRICA (THE MERRY MINUET)- NWC file sent by MouseThief 2547) ODE TO JOY (GERMAN)midi sent by Lin - anyone want to try matching the german words to the tadpoles? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Snuffy Date: 22 May 01 - 04:31 PM Mario, the German version of Ode to Joy in DT is seriously defective - any word containing an umlaut is truncated immediately before the umlauted letter, thus line 4 in DT reads: Freude sch G, but should read Freude, schöner Götterfunken, and a word like über just disappears completely. I have a text on the sleeve notes of an old Mono LP set of Beethoven's symphonies, which contains less than is in the DT, and some of it in a different order, so I can't fill in all the missing words. And I don't know whether
It might be helpful to know what the midi was transcribed from. Anyway, send me a copy of the midi and I'll see whether I can match it up with the DT words or my words, or any other words I can find on the net. I'm sure there's a thread where Joe and others posted versions. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Snuffy Date: 22 May 01 - 04:50 PM Joe's German words on this thread Looking for hymn set to 'Ode to Joy' are exactly what I've got on the LP sleeve notes, so it looks like that's Beethoven's take on Schiller, and the one in the DT is the poem, not the song. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 22 May 01 - 09:08 PM 419 The Bonnie Bunch of Roses (2) - NWC file made 3161 Sir Neil and Glengyle - NWC file made 1936 - Kelly the Pirate 2 - NWC file made ifergetthenumber - Do you love an apple? - NWC file made
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Lin in Kansas Date: 23 May 01 - 03:40 AM Snuffy, thanks for checking out Ode to Joy; it was indeed Beethoven's version I transcribed the melody line from--so is this not correct? If not, my apologies for a bad assumption! (Beautiful hymn, isn't it?) Lin |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 23 May 01 - 08:10 AM basically we have another submission to the DT - *grin* |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 23 May 01 - 08:58 AM files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 23 May 01 - 05:05 PM 670 Cocaine Blues 3 (Luke Jordan Version) 2412 - My Creole Belle 778 - Cypress Groves (skip james) 1185 - The Folks Who Live on The Hill 1247 - The Funeral 1252 - future Blues All sent in by Lin in Kansas not processed yet - but sent 1589 House of Gold 1596 Howlin at the Moon 1928 Kaw-liga 2029 Lass from the Low Country 2152 Long, Long Trail 2117 little red rooster and 1691 - I'd rather make coffee then love. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 23 May 01 - 10:03 PM update! 1691 - I'd rather make coffee then love - NWC file created as written and sung by DaveO. miditxt posted in thread and midi sent to Alan of Oz for the midi page. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 31 May 01 - 02:52 PM songs from 5/23 post processed. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 31 May 01 - 04:13 PM 359) BLACKJACK COUNTY CHAIN-midi sent by Lin in Kansas 550) CALIFORNIA JOE - mid sent by Lin in Kansas 721) THE CONVICT AND THE ROSE - mid sent by Lin in Kansas 839) DELICATE BALANCE - midi sent by lin in kansas 1140) FIRE AND RAIN - midi sent by lin in kansas files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 01 Jun 01 - 02:42 PM 123) ARE YOU TIRED OF ME MY DARLING - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 292) BEAU REYNOLDS - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1125) FIFTEEN SHIPS ON GEORGES' BANKS- NWC file made to be sent to Joe 1311) GIVE MY LOVE TO NELL - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1324) GLORIOUS BEER - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1517) HEY GOOD LOOKIN'- midi sent by Lin in Kansas 2048) LEADER OF THE BAND - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 2064) LET IT BE - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 2290) MAY DAY CAROL (2)- midi sent by Lin in Kansas 2578) AN OLD BEER BOTTLE - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 2579) OLD BEER BOTTLE - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 2682) ORIGINAL TALKING BLUES - chords sent by Lin in Kansas 2781) PLAY ME- midi sent by Lin in Kansas 3243) SPANISH GUITAR - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 3601) WALTZING WITH BEARS - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1520) HEY JUDE - removed at request of publisher files updated. HEY JOE! You back yet? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 05 Jun 01 - 10:06 AM 2570) OH, THE WIND AND RAIN (The Two Sisters)- see songfile windrain = THE WIND AND RAIN 1550) HILLS OF ISLE AU HAUT - NWC file sent to Joe 1965) KIRSTEEN/CHRISTINN - NWC file sent to Joe 2118) LITTLE RIVER - NWC file ready to be sent to Joe 3519) TUNE FOR NOVEMBER - NWC file sent to Joe 3716) WHEN LOVE IS KIND -midi sent by Lin in Kansas 76 other midi's received but not yet processed...
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 05 Jun 01 - 02:52 PM backlog of completed NWC files sent to Joe. files updated to reflect the midi's I have. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 05 Jun 01 - 03:50 PM 3852) YOU ARE MY FLOWER - NWC file sent to Joe from midi by Lin in Kansas 419 ) Bonnie Bunch of Roses (2) - NWC file sent to Joe - midi from Lin in Kansas 3557) UNICORNS (GREEN ALLIGATORS) - nwc file sent to joe from midi by Lin in Kansas 2747) PERSIAN KITTY nwc file sent to joe - midi from Lin in Kansas files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 07 Jun 01 - 12:09 PM 2654) ONE BOTTLE OF POP - midi from lin in kansas 362) THE BLAEBERRY COURTSHIP- midi from lin in kansas 363) THE BLAEBERRY COURTSHIP (2)- midi from lin in kansas 383) BLUE HAWAII - - midi from lin in kansas 474) BRANDY- midi from lin in kansas 671) COCAINE LIL- midi from lin in kansas 841) DERBY RAM- midi from lin in kansas 842) THE DERBY RAM (4)- midi from lin in kansas 843) THE DERBY RAM (6)- midi from lin in kansas files updated |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 12 Jun 01 - 01:05 PM 1234) FRIENDSHIP - midi from lin in kansas 1354) GOOD BOY - - midi from lin in kansas 1355) THE GOOD BOY (2) - midi from lin in kansas 2494) NINE GOLD MEDALS - midi from Lin in Kansas 81) AMERICAN TUNE - NWC file from Mousethief sent to Joe 674) THE COCKROACH THAT ATE CINCINATTI -NWC file from Mousethief sent to Joe 3765) THE WILD WEST IS WHERE I WANT TO BE - lehrer- NWC file from mousethief sent to Joe files updated
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 15 Jun 01 - 11:19 AM 1573) HOMESTEAD STRIKE - NWC file from Mousethief sent to Joe 1741) IF HE'D BE A BUCKAROO- midi sent by Lin in Kansas 384) BLUE MOON OF KENTUCKY - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 270) BATTLE OF BULL RUN - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1632) I CAN'T HELP IT (If I'm Still In Love With You)- midi sent by Lin in Kansas 616) CHICKEN - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 311) BELLE STARR - midi from Lin in Kansas 1741) IF HE'D BE A BUCKAROO midi from Lin in Kansas 615) CHEWING GUM (- midi sent by Lin in Kansas 643) CINDY'S CRYIN' midi from Lin in Kansas files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 17 Jun 01 - 10:08 PM Having had the 'phone line taken out by lightning on Friday (along with a lot of other people), I've been rather cut off from things; I've got my connection back, now, but my new phone is fried. Still, it's given me a bit of time to catch up on some more missing tunes: THE BOLD POACHERS This is the set noted by E.J. Moeran from Robert Miller of Sutton, Norfolk, in 1921. Midi made from the notation in the Journal of the Folk Song Society, Vol. 7, No. 26 (1922). The DT file is an inaccurate transcription of Steeleye Span's second shot at an arrangement of this song; their first (never issued on record, so far as I can remember) was more faithful to their source. The DT transcription was presumably made without the assistance of the sleevenotes that came with the record ( Parcel of Rogues), and therefore contains a number of mis-hearings: Verse 2, line 3: "Which brought the keepers nigh" [not up] For what it's worth, Robert Miller's song was a bit different; not sufficiently so to spell it out here: I give the corrections above simply because the DT file is not an accurate transcription of the recording it was made from. Martin Carthy -from whom S Span got the song- recorded the Sutton version on Landfall (Phillips 6308049, since reissued on CD) at a much slower pace than Mr. Miller sang it; the midi is, therefore, set to play at 75%. I hadn't realised, until I looked this one up, where it came from: a little over 50 years later, my parents had the village post office at Sutton. There were still people there who remembered some of the old songs, but I was living far away, and sadly didn't find out until it was too late. HI HORO 'S NA HORO EILE Midi made from the notation in Alfred Moffat's Minstrelsy of the Scottish Highlands. The tune is a variant of Rory Dall's Port, to which Burns set his Ae Fond Kiss. HICKS THE PIRATE A broadside copy of this song at the Bodleian Library, printed c.1860 by H. De Marsan of 38 & 60, Chatham Street, New York, specifies The Rose Tree as tune. This is the tune that Burns knew as Jockey's Grey Breeks; it was used for a song, The Rose Tree in Full Bearing, in William Shield's opera The Poor Soldier (1782) , and is now often known by that name. The tune is so widespread, and varies so little, that we're spoiled for choice for a source; I've made a midi from the notation in A.P. Graves' The Irish Songbook (1894), where he gives the tune by one of its later Irish names, Máirin ni Chullenain. In three places I've split half-notes into pairs of quarter-notes in order comfortably to accommodate the words. NOTE: I've just noticed that this one's been done; would you confirm that it's the same tune? If it is, I don't need to send it. I WILL GO Midi made by ear from a "Corries" record. THE LADY LEROY 2 The DT file contains no indication of any kind as to where this text is from, though it manages to describe it as "Irish". It's close enough to a longer set from the Sam Henry collection, though, to be set to that tune; midi made from notation given in the Folk Music Journal, vol.3 no.4 (1978). The other DT text, THE LADY LEROY is a specific version taken from a specific book, and I have no idea whether the same tune or one like it was used. PRESS GANG The DT file is transcribed from a recording by Ewan MacColl, and quotes his note on the subject of press-gangs; what it does not do is give any indication as to MacColl's source. His text, however, is pretty much the same as one noted by E.J. Moeran from James Sutton of Winterton, Norfolk, in 1915, so a midi made from the notation given in the Journal of the Folk Song Society, Vol. 7, No. 26 (1922) will serve until someone comes up with the version MacColl actually used. PRETTY PEGGY OF DERBY, O The very extensive notes associated with this file mention a set of the tune in Aird's Selection of Scotch, English, Irish and Foreign Airs, vol. III (c.1788) as "a good vocal version of the tune". Apparantly, the tune was first printed only 3 years prior to that, so this would seem a good choice for what is an early example of the text (there are a great many modern ones well-known through commercial recordings by popular "Irish" performers, but that's not the issue here, as it's specifically an early text) : midi made, then, from Aird's notation, as transcribed into abc by Richard Robinson, with a few half-notes split into pairs of quarter-notes to accommodate the text. NOTE: I've just noticed that this one's been done; would you confirm that it's the same tune? If it is, I don't need to send it. THE STREETS OF DERRY The DT file names no source of any kind for this text, and for some unknown reason describes it as a "rebel" song. It's commonly sung in Ulster to the same melody as Anach Cuain, so in the absence of concrete information, a cross-reference to that should suffice. TOCHER, THE The DT file states that one of the two alternative tunes for this piece is the English Joan's Placket, as used by Burns for the chorus of a song, Jumpin John, contributed to the Scots Musical Museum vol.II (1788). Midi made from notation in Kinsley's Burns: Poems and Songs (OUP, 1969); a few half-notes have been split into pairs of quarter-notes in order to fit the DT text. NOTE: I've just noticed that this one's been done; would you confirm that it's the same tune? If it is, I don't need to send it. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 19 Jun 01 - 01:03 PM 2336) THE MILL MOTHER'S LAMENT -midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1838) JANUARY MAN - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1746) IF TEARDROPS WERE PENNIES - midi sent by Lin in Kansas 1848) JESSE JAMES (I WONDER WHERE MY POOR OLD JESSE'S GONE)-midi sent by Lin in Kansas files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 26 Jun 01 - 04:06 PM 2214) MACGREGOR'S GATHERING ~MouseThief sent in NWC file
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 18 Jul 01 - 10:57 AM 3040) A SAILOR AIN'T A SAILOR SOUND - NWC file of midi sent by Jeri sent to Joe
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 20 Jul 01 - 11:14 AM 2710) PALMS OF VICTORY -Lin in Kansas sent midi; NWC sent to Joe |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 04 Sep 01 - 01:42 PM 2208) LUMPY TUMS
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 20 Sep 01 - 04:18 PM 3071) THE SARACEN- thanks to Jim Dixon - NWC file to JOe |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part SIX From: MMario Date: 03 Oct 01 - 03:36 PM 769) CRYING - NWC file sent to joe; midi from Lin_in_Kansas 855) DIAMOND JOE (2)--Cisco Houston version (Diamondj.mid) - NWC file to JoeO - midi from Lin in Kansas 3398) THERE'LL BE NO DISTINCTION HERE (Distinct.mid) - NWC file sent to JoeO - midi from lin_in_kansas I've got about 40 midis left to process (if I can) from Lin_in_Kansas. Thanks!
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