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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Aug 08 - 01:29 PM >>I am responding to posters individually, yes. I am not calling them names or attacking them personally. There is a difference. Lets look at the first post you made on this thread. >>>From: GUEST,DV Date: 04 Aug 08 - 09:16 PM Yeah, he is acting just like the Republican sleaze he has always been, even when HE was the politico celeb du jour. Imagine that. Presidential candidates are all lying sacks of horse manure. We're shocked. Thanks for posting this, Bobert. I'm sure most Mudcatters hadn't heard that McCain lies.<< I read this as sarcasm, I believe that you are implying that Bobert is stupidly wasting your time by telling you something you already know. If it is otherwise, please tell us what you meant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,DV Date: 05 Aug 08 - 01:42 PM The topic at hand is the candidates now, Jack the Sailor. Let's stick to the topic at hand. We can't change what is already posted, so let's just move on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: Donuel Date: 05 Aug 08 - 02:08 PM I once saw a video of an elephant tender with broom and pail who unfortunatly was sweeping up behind an elephant when the elephant backed up suddenly. The man's head got stuck in the elephants anus and was extracted only with help from another tender. The unfortunate tender would certainly have a unique description of the elephant which is far different from an old friend of the elephant who could see in the elephant's eyes a loving recognition and respect. We all have our points of view. Some from above, in front or from behind and inside. Sometimes a person will retreat into saying that "it is my opinion" but that will not mean that the opinion is true or false, sacrosanct or base, meaningful or nonsense. Albert would back me up when I say it depends upon the relative point of view of the observer. Opinions are not sacred or inately honorable in any regard but intentional misrepresentations defile the speaker and the audience. My condolences go out to you if you were an unfortunate tender. My ire goes out to those who would intentionally lie and distort their description of the elephant in the room. Amos takes a pov that he supports with facts and figures while I have a pov of a socialogic overview. I see another pov at work here which only seems to use the oldest propoganda trick of an accuser accusing individual A of actions of which individual B is actually most guilty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,DV Date: 05 Aug 08 - 02:09 PM Bobert, you said: "Lastly, if you indeed want McCain to lose I'd like to see where you have made some level of commitment to the Obama campaign" Why do you presume that if someone doesn't want McCain, they have to commit to working for and/or supporting Obama? It is perfectly legitimate to criticize BOTH candidates, and want neither. Millions of Americans feel and act this way in this election, and in every election going back most of their lifetimes! I couldn't have supported either candidate (had I been old enough to vote in it) in the Ford vs Carter election either. And? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,DV Date: 05 Aug 08 - 02:13 PM Again, Donuel I am not the topic here and nor is Amos. Let's keep to the topic, the candidates. People are free to criticize both candidates and their positions, without people casting aspersions on their motives for doing so. In a functioning democracy, it is a citizen's duty to be both well informed, and to see all political leaders with a skeptic's eye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Aug 08 - 02:19 PM DV, Didn't you say that "We" were ought to stick to talking about the candidates? Now its back to Bobert "assuming" things about YOU. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Aug 08 - 02:22 PM Excuse me please, "presuming". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: SharonA Date: 05 Aug 08 - 03:24 PM Oh, the wheels on the bus go floop floop floop etc. Oh, McCain on the bus goes "Uh, uh, uh" etc. Oh, the talk on the bus goes not so straight etc. No seat on the bus for Rosa Parks etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: Bobert Date: 05 Aug 08 - 07:20 PM Well, DV, I just can't quite get over your initial post about being "very concerned" about Obama loosing??? Excuse me if from that post I assumed that you might actually, ahhhhhh, be concerned that Obam might loose??? Silly me... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: Riginslinger Date: 05 Aug 08 - 07:37 PM Well, the way the polls are going, Obama is headed for defeat, and Rosa Parks was in too big a hurry to sit down anyway! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: Bobert Date: 05 Aug 08 - 08:01 PM Polls before Labor Day are meaningless, Rigs... You know that... Actually, I think that polls won't mean too much after Labor Day... Except the big poll in Novemeber, of course... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: pdq Date: 05 Aug 08 - 08:51 PM Last poll I saw had McCain 45%, Obama 44%, Nader 2% and Barr 2%. That would leave about 9% "undecided", but they were majority leaning McCain, "the safe candidate". Two kickers: the Catholic vote was 20% up in the McCain camp and the young voters were getting bored by Obama. Considering how huge the Mexican-Catholic vote is in the seven Western states, this race is over. Turn in yer Wilkie button and grab a beer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Aug 08 - 09:36 PM So, after pandering to the youth he's losing young voters??.....what do they know, that us ol' fogies stuck in menopauses, don't? Here you guys are all pumped for your 'media celeb hero' and the youth, to who was his 'hip audience' got bored...probably went back to their video games..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Aug 08 - 10:42 PM The latest Polls from Real Clear. Obama's doing OK. He's actually doing much better on the electoral Map. Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread RCP Average 07/23 - 08/04 -- 47.3 44.5 Obama +2.8 AP-Ipsos 07/31 - 08/04 833 RV 48 42 Obama +6.0 Gallup Tracking 08/02 - 08/04 2674 RV 47 43 Obama +4.0 Rasmussen Tracking 08/02 - 08/04 3000 LV 46 47 McCain +1.0 CNN 07/27 - 07/29 914 RV 51 44 Obama +7.0 USA Today/Gallup 07/25 - 07/27 791 LV 45 49 McCain +4.0 Pew Research 07/23 - 07/27 1241 RV 47 42 Obama +5.0 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,DV Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:24 PM Sorry, but that cut and paste hurts my eyes! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:37 PM You can go here realclearpolitics.com/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 06 Aug 08 - 11:38 AM Well well well well weeeeell weeellllllllllll wel well. "lead the way by turning wood into clean-burning fuel." Aaahhh don't trees turn CO2 inta Oxygen? And don't burning any kind o' carbin based fule make more CO2? Looks like tha air iz leakin out o' tha hot air express. Where can I git me one o' them Mac tar gages? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: Amos Date: 06 Aug 08 - 01:02 PM Instead of shooting off your mouth from the hip, so to speak, why not find out what he means? Are you aware that there are several fast-growing plant varieties that have wood in them? Did you not understand the expression "clean-burning"? Or are you just so delighted to be able to snark on any excuse at all that you have taken to making them up? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 01:25 PM Sawzaw If you burn coal, you add more carbon to the atmosphere. If you burn trees then grow more trees then you are recycling carbon that is already in the biosphere. That's why they call biofuels sustainable energy. In general it is bad to burn large, old growth trees. Its worse to replace trees with crops. It is worse still to replace trees with pasture. But for releasing carbon into the air, burning fossil fuel burning is the worst. Fear not! Environmental education is taking place in the schools. It may be too late for you. But your grand children will probably be able to speak very intelligently on this subject. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: PoppaGator Date: 06 Aug 08 - 03:38 PM Let's try JtS's cur-and-paste in a monospaced font; the columns might line up. (The HTML commend is "TT.") Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread RCP Average 07/23 - 08/04 -- 47.3 44.5 Obama +2.8 AP-Ipsos 07/31 - 08/04 833 RV 48 42 Obama +6.0 Gallup Tracking 08/02 - 08/04 2674 RV 47 43 Obama +4.0 Rasmussen Tracking 08/02 - 08/04 3000 LV 46 47 McCain +1.0 CNN 07/27 - 07/29 914 RV 51 44 Obama +7.0 USA Today/Gallup 07/25 - 07/27 791 LV 45 49 McCain +4.0 Pew Research 07/23 - 07/27 1241 RV 47 42 Obama +5.0 Nahh, that don't git it. The source muct have been littered with "Tab" commands. I'll try again, adding some spaces manually: Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread RCP Average 07/23 - 08/04 -- 47.3 44.5 Obama +2.8 AP-Ipsos 07/31 - 08/04 833 RV 48 42 Obama +6.0 Gallup Tracking 08/02 - 08/04 2674 RV 47 43 Obama +4.0 Rasmussen Tracking 08/02 - 08/04 3000 LV 46 47 McCain +1.0 CNN 07/27 - 07/29 914 RV 51 44 Obama +7.0 USA Today/Gallup 07/25 - 07/27 791 LV 45 49 McCain +4.0 Pew Research 07/23 - 07/27 1241 RV 47 42 Obama +5.0 Well, I can't get it perfect, but close enough to read... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:07 PM Burning hydrocarbon fuels produce CO2 regardless of how clean it is burned. "we will reduce our dangerous carbon emissions" "Businesses will need to find ways to emit less carbon dioxide." Trees and all plants take in CO2 and emit oxygen. How much oxygen does the oil and gas laying in the ground emit? The way to reduce CO2 is with solar, nuclear, hydroelectric and wind, not by turning wood into hydrocarbon fuel. I am sorry but all you guys can think about is getting a chunk of change from Exxon and Obama is dangling the carrot to buy votes. There is a tire pressure monitoring system on some autos. Why not make that mandatory on all new cars immediately? With this kind of rhetoric and hype, the Democrats will loose this election solely on their failed energy policy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:19 PM "If you burn trees then grow more trees then you are recycling carbon that is already in the biosphere" There is too much CO2 in the biosphere is causing global warming because of the greenhouse effect. If we develop solar, wind, nuclear and hydroelectric energy production and discontinue burning hydrocarbon fuels it will reduce the amount of CO2 and global warming. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:26 PM Nice job PoppaGator I guess that I should have used a link though. The latest polls are here Realclear polls. with graphic and updated every day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: Bobert Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:36 PM I agree... We definately need to invest in cleaner energy production... Just because trees are considered renewable doesn't change the fact that it's still burning and there is nothing good to say about burning anything... Okay, I might burn a little evidence now and then but that's a different story... But here's the rub... McStraightTalker is in Big Oil's pocket, ahhhhhh, Big Time... Don't think so??? Google up Harry Sargeant III for just the tip of the iceburg... I'm not sayin' that Obama doesn't have a few bucks coming his way from Big Oil but it's chump change compared to what McSraightTalker is takin' in... (Well, Bobert... Obama is threatenin' to put a windfall profit tax on Big Oil... Waht would you expect???) Just what we are seein'... 'Cept 99% of the voters couldn't tell you who Harry Sargeant III is... And McStraightTalker wants to keep it that way... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:37 PM Algae seems to be the most promising way forward for producing biofuel. Potentially vastly more efficient than switching food production such as corn to producing ethanol, and keeps the food available for hungry people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:55 PM >>From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:19 PM "If you burn trees then grow more trees then you are recycling carbon that is already in the biosphere" There is too much CO2 in the biosphere is causing global warming because of the greenhouse effect. If we develop solar, wind, nuclear and hydroelectric energy production and discontinue burning hydrocarbon fuels it will reduce the amount of CO2 and global warming.<<< Yes both your statements are true. But modern society runs on energy and no one wants to give up their car or heating and cooling their house or car. So for now, we have to burn something. It will take a long time to develop wind and solar and nuclear. There isn't much hope for Hydropower being much help. Most of the good rivers on this continent have already been developed. For now and for a long time in the future, we have to burn something. There is just no way around that. If we grow wood and burn it, we take CO2 out of the air by growing the wood, then put it back into the air when we burn the wood. If we burn fossil fuels we take carbon out of the ground and pump it into the air. A promising technology is carbon sequestering. That's where you take the carbon dioxide from the smoke stacks and pump it into the ground. The reason we don't do that is because it would at to the cost of electricity and the utilities do not think people want to pay for that. >>How much oxygen does the oil and gas laying in the ground emit? Very little I would say. They are called hydrocarbons because they are made of hydrogen and carbon. There may be some oxygen in the coal seams and oil domes, but the amount is certainly not significant. The amount of oxygen is also not factor in the global warming or energy debate. Oxygen is not a greenhouse gas and the percentage of oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere is not changed all that much by burning carbon. Presently oxygen is 20.946% of our atmosphere carbon dioxide is only .0383%. I think that Obama's energy program is not nearly enough neither are the steps he want to takes to cut carbon emission. But he is light years ahead of McCain. More importantly he has the ability and the will to educate people on these issues and persuade them to do what is required. If you care about the environment Obama is the clear choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: katlaughing Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:47 PM Get to Work, McCain! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:50 PM "to be able to snark on any excuse" Amos: Please explain how burning hydrocarbons does not produce CO2 And again, your arrogance and superiority complex is showing. I did exactly what you asked me to do. "If we grow wood and burn it, we take CO2 out of the air by growing the wood" When we cut the trees they are no longer removing the CO2. We have to wait for more trees to grow. When we burn the fossil fuels in the interim while the other energy sources are being developed, the trees are still growing and consuming CO2. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,J Date: 07 Aug 08 - 01:45 AM >>When we cut the trees they are no longer removing the CO2. We have to wait for more trees to grow. When we burn the fossil fuels in the interim while the other energy sources are being developed, the trees are still growing and consuming CO2.<<< What happens when the trees stop growing? They die and rot and CO2 goes into the atmosphere. Or if there is a forest fire. The trees burn and the CO2 is released into the atmosphere. Eventually, the CO2 from trees, is going to end up in the atmosphere. Do you feel like an idiot yet? Because you should. If we leave the hydrocarbons in the ground. The carbon will stay in the ground and the trees will NEVER have to remove it. Why are you so eager to look foolish. You could be nice about it you could be polite. But you seem to like to scream things that have no basis in fact. Fast growing trees will remove the carbon, then we burn the trees, or turn them to ethanol and then burn them. If that's all were were burning we could do it forever. Without global warming. That's why they call it sustainable. Go out and learn something for gosh sakes! Stop listening to the Republican Campaigns. The don't tell the truth. Listening to them will make you ignorant. You don't want to be ignorant do you? Go out and learn something. Start with basic science. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:54 AM This is getting too silly! A mind is a terrible thing to waste!! Try this >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmlLqkUHd0 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: dick greenhaus Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:40 AM Simple chemistry. The carbon in a tree (or any other plant) comes from the CO2 in the atmosphere. When it's burned, the carbon that's burned is returned to the atmosphere as CO2. Net change in atmospheric CO2 = zero. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 11:57 AM It is pretty simple isn't it? How do people not understand such simple basic things? Our education system seems to have so let down so many Republican leaders. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: pdq Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:19 PM This thread is beginning to sound like a science lecture from Forrest Gump. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: Big Mick Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:21 PM pdq, if folks wouldn't spout things that were so obviously uninformed of a basic principle of chemistry, then there wouldn't be a need to explain it in such simple terms. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: dick greenhaus Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:24 PM More a science lesson for Forest Gump |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:31 PM Yeah...goes together like peas and carrots |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:57 PM I have to say, I am disheartened. I have been wracking my brain trying to find simpler terms to Describe it. But y'all have given me an idear! Momma said life is like a box of chocolates. But a box can only hold so many chocolates. So iffin ya want to carry yall's chocolates in a box, and when you eat a chocolate you put another one back in then your chocolate box is a gonna be fine and dandy. But if you put too many chocolates from another box into your'n chocolate box then the flies is a gonna get at your chocolates and they's a gonna melt in the sun. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Aug 08 - 01:58 PM I always liked Bubba's buttOX the best |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 07 Aug 08 - 03:04 PM "What happens when the trees stop growing? " Why would a tree stop growing? There are trees that are over a thousand years old and still converting CO2 to O2. Destruction of the rain forest is contributing to the greenhaus effect but Obama says we should cut trees and make fuel out of them? That makes me laugh. The ultimate goal is to stop burning carbon based fuels altogether. Whatever money spent on developing this temporary source of energy should be spent on long term fix. Wind, solar, nuclear or hydroelectric. In the mean time use the oil and gas we already have. Actually the ultimate goal for energy generation is the Tokamak. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 04:08 PM Momma said "Forrest, yer special, peple cain tel yuh that most species of trees don't live fer thousands of years. Peple kin tail ya thet it is stoopid te conflate every tidbit ye have heard in yer life into to one big dumb ignorat joke. Ye don't haf ta lissin, ye kain be proud of yer ignorance. Ye kain laf at simple math and simple chemistry as if it never egg-sisted, Cuz Forrest, yer a Republican!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:26 PM Why would a tree stop growing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:48 PM This whole tree thing is completely stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: PoppaGator Date: 07 Aug 08 - 05:58 PM If we can get off the elementary science discussion... Thanks to Bobert for cluing us in about Harry Sargeant III. After reading about his efforts, I had to ask myself how much I'd have to be paid to write a $2,300 check in support of a political campaign. If I really didn't care one wayor another about the outcome, I'd probably do it for as little as $2,500, and certainly for three grand or so. If I were being asked to stealth-contribute to candidates of opposing parties, as Sargeant persuaded Floridians to do for Giuliani and Clinton during the primaries, I wouldn't hesitate, assuming I were being paid any extra bucks at all. But the hardest question to answer ~ how much would I have to be paid to funnel a contribution to a candidate I wanted to lose? I'd like to say I would not pass along a $2,300 contribution tio McCain for President for any amount of money, but given enough incentive, I just might. The only question is how much: $5,000? Maybe... $10,000? Probably... I found it very interesting that so many of the unlikely contributors mentioned in the story were unregistered voters, very busily running their own small businesses, with obviously Arabic names. What's that about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 06:37 PM Momma said that trees are alive, jest lahk the birds and the bees an all other gawds creatures. She said everthang thet's alive will die, cept fer Dick Cheney. She also said that when the tree dies ye can plant another tree to take it's place. Funny thing though, carbon from an oil well don't suck itself back into the hot boiling hell from which it came. But that's what Dick Cheney is going to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 07 Aug 08 - 06:41 PM Yes, it is stupid to turn trees into fuel. Letter being sent to questionable contributors by McCAIN August 7, 2008 Dear ____: Due to recent news reports, we are writing to remind you of the legal requirements for making contributions to federal candidates. John McCain 2008 is prohibited by federal law from accepting contributions from corporations, government contractors, or foreign nationals (persons who are not US citizens or permanent residents). We may only accept contributions made by individuals from their own funds. Such contributions may not be reimbursed to you by any other person or entity. We greatly appreciate your support and financial contribution. However, if your contribution does not meet all of these requirements, please contact me at (703)-650-5624 or spurpura@mccainhq08.com immediately so that we can arrange a refund of your contribution. Sincerely, MAC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:15 PM Stupid is as stupid does. Momma says that burning oil, coal or natural gas contributes more to global warming than burning trees. Momma knows that if you ad one and don't take none away the total gets bigger and she knows when you add one then take it away agin the total stays the same. Momma is a whiz at first grade level arithmetic! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:15 PM Welll welll welllllllllllll wel welll wel: During a January Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Obama boasted that "part of the reason that you know who's bundling money for various candidates is because of a law I passed this year, which says: Lobbyists, if you are taking money from anybody and putting it together and then giving it to a member of Congress, that has to be disclosed." In fact, the bundling provision to which Obama was referring — and which his campaign bragged about in television ads — will not be implemented in time for the 2008 elections, partly because Obama led a partisan confirmation battle that crippled the agency charged with implementing the new rule. McCain has voluntarily disclosed the names, addresses and occupations of his lobbyist bundlers (which will be required by Obama's yet-to-be implemented provision) and his other bundlers. But Obama, who does not take money from lobbyists, only lists the names and addresses of his bundlers. Plus his claim is untrue. I — of all of the candidates here — have actually taken away the power of lobbyists. Part of the reason that you know who's bundling money for various candidates is because of a law I passed this year which says: Lobbyists, if you're taking money from anybody and putting together and giving it to a member of congress, that has to be disclosed." Obama was among the leading proponents of a provision requiring disclosure to the FEC of contributions bundled by lobbyists to congressional and presidential candidates. And the provision was included in the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act," which President Bush signed into law in September. But the commission lacks the votes necessary to take any official actions, including implementing — let alone enforcing — the law, rendering it effectively moot. That's because Senate Democrats, led by Obama, blocked the confirmation of four nominees to the six-seat agency, leaving it without a quorum. Obama and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) technically put a hold on the Senate confirmation of only one nominee: Hans von Spakovsky. He has been accused of diluting minority voting power during an earlier stint as a Justice Department lawyer. But Senate Republicans demanded that all four nominees (two Democrats, two Republicans) be voted on as a group — the way confirmations have traditionally gone for the commission, which by statute consists of three appointees from each party. The derailing of von Spakovsky bolstered Obama's civil rights bona fides. It pleased Democratic and black activists, because it dovetailed with their concerns about politicization of the Justice Department under President Bush. But the subsequent stalemate has concerned advocates of campaign finance regulation. They warn that without the FEC functioning as a watchdog, candidates and outside groups are likely to push the bounds of the rules to pour cash into a 2008 presidential race expected to easily eclipse $1 billion. Obama stressed the importance of the FEC in an October op-ed published in the Chicago Defender, a prominent black newspaper. "So it goes without saying that the FEC needs strong, impartial leadership that will promote integrity in our election system," Obama wrote. "Hans von Spakovsky is not the right person for this job, and I strongly oppose his nomination." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: Amos Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:32 PM Actually, Sawz, he did not say anything about cutting trees down. He said that among other processes and resources (which he enumerated) clean burning of wood could also be considered. 1. The word clean must have escaped your attention, or you have no concept how it could be done. 2. The word wood, in your mind, means cutting down rees. But there are many other sources of wood, including chips and sawdust from other lumber processes, shrubs, and recycled wood to name a few. Wake up and think in English, and all will be well. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: Bobert Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:13 PM Well, well, well... Yeah, like I said, burning ain't good unless, of course, it's in a small pipe you hide in the freezer... But nevermind that stuff... The problem I have is when folks try to over-generalize other folks ideas... Like burnin' trees ain't the centerpiece of the Obama enrgy policy and more than proper tire inflation... This ain't nuthin' but partisan wranglin' far as thisd ol' gillbilly can see... As fir campaign finance... It's till broke all to heck an' back... It is screwed up... Ain't no one person's fault but what LH calls the $y$tem... It is the largest problem the US government faces... Not terrorism... But corruption... And the worst part about this corrupt $y$tem is that it's gonna take a Trojan Horse to fix it... Is Obama the Trojan Horse??? I don't know... I do know that John McCain ain't!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wheels Fallin' Off Straight Talk Express From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:34 PM Yeah, Sawzaw, Its true. Obama helped prevent shrub from trying to load the commission with his partisans. |
