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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Sep 08 - 03:36 PM Well, I'm trying to maintain my reputation as Mr. Nice Guy and stay out of all this politician-bashing, but I have to say that I can't resist Doonesbury's current Sarah Palin Doll series. Take a look. -Joe- More on Sarah Palin dolls (click) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ebbie Date: 24 Sep 08 - 03:54 PM I like this too from Joe O's link: "We do not support government bailouts of private institutions. Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the marketplace and causes the free market to take longer to correct itself." -- Republican Party platform, 2008 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 24 Sep 08 - 04:09 PM Joe there is a real S. Palin doll already. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 24 Sep 08 - 05:03 PM "Sept. 23, 2008 | WASILLA, Alaska -- Before Sarah Palin decided to run for the Wasilla mayor's office in 1996 against incumbent John Stein, the Palins and Steins were friends. John Stein had helped launch Palin's political career, mentoring the hockey mom during her 1994 run for City Council, along with veteran council member Nick Carney. Stein's wife, Karen Marie, went to aerobics classes with Palin. But when she announced her candidacy for Stein's seat, vowing to overturn the city's "old boy" establishment, a different Sarah Palin emerged. "Things got very ugly," recalled Naomi Tigner, a friend of the Steins. "Sarah became very mean-spirited." The Wasilla mayor's seat is nonpartisan, and Mayor Stein, a former city planner who had held the post for nine years, ran a businesslike campaign that stressed his experience and competency. But Palin ignited the traditionally low-key race with scorching social issues, injecting "God, guns and abortion into the race -- things that had nothing to do with being mayor of a small town," according to Tigner. Share this story on Facebook: Share Thanks for your support. Palin's mayoral campaign rode the wave of conservative, evangelical fervor that was sweeping Alaska in the '90s. Suddenly candidates' social values, not their ability to manage the roads and sewer systems, were dominating the debate. "Sarah and I were both Republicans, but this was an entirely new slant to local politics -- much more aggressive than anything I'd ever seen," said Stein, looking back at the election that put Palin on the political map. There was a knife-sharp, personal edge to Palin's campaign that many locals found disturbing, particularly because of the warm relationship between Palin and Stein before the race. "I called Sarah's campaign for mayor the end of the age of innocence in Wasilla," said Carney. Even though Palin knew that Stein is a Protestant Christian, from a Pennsylvania Dutch background, her campaign began circulating the word that she would be "Wasilla's first Christian mayor." Some of Stein's supporters interpreted this as an attempt to portray Stein as Jewish in the heavily evangelical community. Stein himself, an eminently reasonable and reflective man, thinks "they were redefining Christianity to mean born-agains." The Palin campaign also started another vicious whisper campaign, spreading the word that Stein and his wife -- who had chosen to keep her own last name when they were married -- were not legally wed. Again, Palin knew the truth, Stein said, but chose to muddy the waters. "We actually had to produce our marriage certificate," recalled Stein, whose wife died of breast cancer in 2005 without ever reconciling with Palin. "I had a hand in creating Sarah, but in the end she blew me out of the water," Stein said, sounding more wearily ironic than bitter. "Sarah's on a mission, she's an opportunist." According to some political observers in Alaska, this pattern -- exploiting "old-boy" mentors and then turning against them for her own advantage -- defines Sarah Palin's rise to power. Again and again, Palin has charmed powerful political patrons, and then rejected them when it suited her purposes. She has crafted a public image as a clean politics reformer, but in truth, she has only blown the whistle on political corruption when it was expedient for her to do so. Above all, Palin is a dynamo of ambition, shrewdly maneuvering her way through the notoriously compromised world of Alaska politics, making and breaking alliances along the way. "When Palin takes credit for knocking off the old-boy network in Alaska, it drives me crazy," said Andrew Halcro, an Anchorage businessman and radio talk show host who ran against her in the 2006 GOP primary race for governor. "Sarah certainly availed herself of that network whenever it was expedient." ..." More here. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 24 Sep 08 - 05:06 PM This thread is pretty long... don't know if this has already been posted. S.P. is the "anointed one". There is an email chain letter to evangelicals making the internet rounds. "Sarah is that standard God has raised up to stop the flood. She has the anointing ... Back in the 1980s, I sensed that Israel's little-known Benjamin Netanyahu was chosen by God for an important end-time role. I still believe that. I now have that same sense about Sarah Palin." The report about it is here: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/18/palin_email/index.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 24 Sep 08 - 05:06 PM Wednesday, Sept. 24, 2008 13:47 EDT Quote of the day Via Jonathan Martin, a snippet from the poll report following the meeting John McCain and Sarah Palin had with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvilli and Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko: McCain then looked around the room and gestured as if to welcome questions. The AP reporter shouted a question at Gov. Palin ("Governor, what have you learned from your meetings?") but McCain aide Brooke Buchanan intervened and shepherded everybody out of the room. Palin looked surprised, leaned over to McCain and asked him a question, to which your pooler thinks he shook his head as if to say "No." Update: My friend Steve Benen's comments on this were too good not to share. At his new(ish) home at Washington Monthly, he writes: Look, "What have you learned from your meetings?" is an easy one. It's not a trick question, or a "gotcha" question, or even a question intended to do test Palin's limited understand of international affairs. She could have easily said something like, "I've been encouraged by how much support the United States continues to enjoy around the world." No muss, no fuss. It's not rocket science...." (Salon) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 24 Sep 08 - 09:31 PM So you're left to wonder what she really learned from the meetings. Probably that her understanding of international affairs is actually broad and boundless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 24 Sep 08 - 10:07 PM .... and that all the old men want to hug her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 24 Sep 08 - 10:32 PM Yes, that too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:08 AM Palin being interviewed by Katie Couric... http://vodpod.com/watch/1032138-palin-and-couric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 25 Sep 08 - 07:26 AM She came off brilliantly! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 25 Sep 08 - 07:56 AM LOLOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 08:51 AM She came off as a dummie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 25 Sep 08 - 08:59 AM Well, to a certain extent that's true Katie Couric could spend some time brushing up on her interviewing technigues.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:18 AM Rig, you must live in an alternate universe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:23 AM Couric: I'm just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation. Palin: I'll try to find ya some and I'll bring them to ya. == Palin showed herself to be a dummie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 10:27 AM Palin has a lot of homework to do. There is probably a big stack of books on her night stand. McCain's record for Dummies, The Economy for Dummies, National Security for Dummies.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 25 Sep 08 - 10:34 AM Last night I saw Palin in her church being excorcised from the possible curse of witchcraft by a preacher who actually has experience in persecuting witches in Africa. You can't make this stuff up. It was on MSNBC the Rachel Maddow show. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:45 PM Yes, Donuel, I will agree, religion is an awful thing, but whatever she engaged in regarding witchcraft, is nothing when compared to Reverend Wright and that horrible Pfleger person. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:47 PM I think they may ditch Sarah pretty soon and replace her. There will be some excuse like her family having a crisis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:50 PM If we can vote for pinch hitters, maybe the Democrats will get smart and replace Obama with Hillary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 26 Sep 08 - 03:57 PM Conservative columnist tells Palin: "Bow out" "Sarah Palin has seen better days. In fact, her performance recently is so bad that it made one former supporter not just rethink that position, but take to the Web site of the conservative National Review to call on Palin to step down from the Republican ticket. In a column published Friday, Kathleen Parker writes: As we've seen and heard more from John McCain's running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn't know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion ... Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League. No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I've been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I've also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted. Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there's not much content there ... If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself. If Palin were a man, we'd all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she's a woman -- and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket -- we are reluctant to say what is painfully true ... McCain can't repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP's unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability ... Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first. Do it for your country." (Salon) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 08 - 04:00 PM Give her a break already, She is clearly smarter than Bush and Bush is a high functioning moron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 08 - 04:02 PM God will answer her prayers and touch her with the gift of clarity, intelligence, omnicient oversight... Then she will withdrawl. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ron Davies Date: 26 Sep 08 - 11:34 PM Sorry, people--some Mudcatters have been saying for a long time that McCain would ditch Palin, or she would withdraw. I said before that was wishful thinking. And it still is. As I noted earlier, with Palin McCain has the best chance to accomplish both goals of any VP pick: 1) energize the base--especially important since McCain himself leaves the base rather tepid--and 2) appeal to at least some of the independents--since both McCain and Palin have gone against their own party at some points. With Palin, McCain may even get some Hillary voters--the ones who vote on number of x and y chromosomes--and have no clue--or don't care--about issues. And of course the ones--male and female--who only want their president to be a good drinking buddy. But Palin is on the scene to stay. Any other idea is a pipe dream. That doesn't mean she is not vulnerable. She sure is--especially on how her view of the "end times" influences her view of foreign policy--particularly how close she should be allowed to get to the nuclear button. Obama was grilled on Rev Wright. It's time for her to say how much she believes of what she heard in church. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 27 Sep 08 - 02:05 PM Bob Herbert opines: ..."The country is understandably focused on the financial crisis. But there is another serious issue in front of us that is not getting nearly enough attention, and that's whether Sarah Palin is qualified to be vice president — or, if the situation were to arise, president of the United States. Go to Columnist Page » Readers' Comments Readers shared their thoughts on this article. Read All Comments (299) » History has shown again and again that a vice president must be ready to assume command of the ship of state on a moment's notice. But Ms. Palin has given no indication yet that she is capable of handling the monumental responsibilities of the presidency if she were called upon to do so. In fact, the opposite is the case. We know that there are some parts of Alaska from which, if the day is clear and your eyesight is good, you can actually see Russia. But the infantile repetition of this bit of trivia as some kind of foreign policy bona fide for a vice presidential candidate should give us pause. The McCain campaign has done its bizarre best to shield Ms. Palin from any sustained media examination of her readiness for the highest offices in the land, and no wonder. She has been an embarrassment in interviews. But the idea that the voters of the United States might install someone in the vice president's office who is too unprepared or too intellectually insecure to appear on, say, "Meet the Press" or "Face the Nation" is mind-boggling. The alarm bells should be clanging and warning lights flashing. You wouldn't put an unqualified pilot in the cockpit of a jetliner. The potential for catastrophe is far, far greater with an unqualified president. The United States has been lucky in terms of the qualifications of the vice presidents who have had to step in over the last several decades for presidents who either died or, in Richard Nixon's case, were forced to leave office. Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson became extraordinary presidents in their own right. Gerald Ford successfully guided the nation through the immediate aftermath of one of the most traumatic political crises in its history. For those who think Sarah Palin is in that league, there is no problem. But her unscripted public appearances would lead most honest observers to think otherwise. When asked again this week about her puerile linkage of foreign policy proficiency and Alaska's proximity to Russia, this time by Katie Couric of CBS News, here is what Ms. Palin said she meant: "That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land — boundary that we have with — Canada." She went on, but lost her way midsentence: "It's funny that a comment like that was kind of made to — cari — I don't know, you know? Reporters ..." Ms. Couric said, "Mocked?" "Yeah, mocked," said Ms. Palin. "I guess that's the word. Yeah." It is not just painful, but frightening to watch someone who could become the vice president of the United States stumbling around like this in an interview. Ms. Couric asked Ms. Palin to explain how Alaska's proximity to Russia "enhances your foreign policy credentials." "Well, it certainly does," Ms. Palin replied, "because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there—" Gently interrupting, Ms. Couric asked, "Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?" "We have trade missions back and forth," said Ms. Palin. "We do. It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to our state." It was surreal, the kind of performance that would generate a hearty laugh if it were part of a Monty Python sketch. But this is real life, and the stakes couldn't be higher. As Ms. Palin was fumbling her way through the Couric interview, the largest bank failure in the history of the United States, the collapse of Washington Mutual, was occurring. The press has an obligation to hammer away at Ms. Palin's qualifications. If it turns out that she has just had a few bad interviews because she was nervous or whatever, additional scrutiny will serve her well." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Sep 08 - 02:58 PM "Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson became extraordinary presidents in their own right." No they didn't. Lyndon Johnson was a disaster! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 27 Sep 08 - 03:26 PM One man's meat is another man's poisson, I allus sez. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Sep 08 - 06:37 PM Yeah, well Lyndon Johnson poisoned everybody's meat! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 27 Sep 08 - 07:52 PM Anyway, it is getting clearer and clearer that she is a train wreck. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Sep 08 - 08:26 PM You mean Michelle, I take it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 27 Sep 08 - 09:10 PM No, Rig, I do not. Michele Obama is an intelligent, highly competent and educated woman with a strong and well-informed interest in all aspects of our national life. Sarah is a Roller Derby Queen. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 27 Sep 08 - 09:46 PM The economic crisis and John McCain's surprising response have drawn attention away from the Republican vice presidential nominee just as she has started to answer more pointed questions from the media. Her third nationally televised interview, with CBS anchor Katie Couric, found Palin rambling, marginally responsive and even more adrift than during her network debut with ABC's Charles Gibson. In a 40-minute session with Couric that aired Wednesday and Thursday nights, the Alaska governor defended her puzzling claim that geographic proximity makes her some sort of expert on Russia; went nearly blank when queried about McCain's achievements as a big-business regulator; agreed America "may find itself" on the road to another Great Depression; and, promoting a troop surge in Afghanistan, casually suggested that it "will lead us to victory there, as it has proven to have done in Iraq." (LAT) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Sep 08 - 11:34 PM "'In a 40-minute session with Couric that aired Wednesday and Thursday nights, the Alaska governor defended her puzzling claim that geographic proximity makes her some sort of expert on Russia; went nearly blank when queried about McCain's achievements as a big-business regulator; agreed America "may find itself" on the road to another Great Depression; and, promoting a troop surge in Afghanistan, casually suggested that it "will lead us to victory there, as it has proven to have done in Iraq.'" All of which is true. The difference being that Couric--being the shrew that she has demonstrated herself to be used more "gotcha" questions that did Gibson. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 28 Sep 08 - 03:06 AM Did you actually watch the interview? They were not hardball questions, and they were asked quite politely--even kindly. You can't rationalize this blithering by blaming it on the interviewer this time. And if she wants to be Veep, she surely ought to be able to handle Katy Couric with her kid gloves on. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 28 Sep 08 - 03:25 AM It's definitely true that she couldn't answer the question about McCain's achievements as a big business regulator. Which, I think, says a lot about both of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 28 Sep 08 - 07:55 AM "They were not hardball questions, and they were asked quite politely--even kindly." I wonder why she did so much better with Sean Hannity? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 28 Sep 08 - 09:29 AM Palin Gets the Full Philly Treatment: "Hey Hockey Mom -- Keep the Puck out of PA" September 27, 2008 1:15 PM Someone had the bright idea of sending Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to the Irish Pub on Walnut Street in downtown Philly before the debate yesterday. More than 400 McCain-Palin supporters were in the bar waiting for her; more than 300 McCain-Palin opponents were outside the bar, heckling her on as Philadelphians know how to do. Sporting a red Phillies jacket, over a white t-shirt that read "Sarahcuda," Palin entered the bar to the protestors chanting "Obama! Obama!" Some set off flares. They held up signs: "McSame/Failin';" "Hey Hockey Mom -- keep the puck out of PA;" "Just like Bush in lipstick." full article: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/palin-gets-the.html click |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 28 Sep 08 - 09:44 AM Wonderful! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 28 Sep 08 - 09:57 AM Last night SNL skit, Tina Fey returns... Palin interviewed by Couric. http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 28 Sep 08 - 11:49 AM They're going to generate so much sympathy for Sarah Palin, Obama won't stand a chance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 28 Sep 08 - 11:54 AM They've generated so much awareness of her ignorance, she doesn't stand a chance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 28 Sep 08 - 01:13 PM You're assuming the electorate will come to that conclusion? The ones who are clinging to their guns and religion in Pennsylvania and Ohio? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 28 Sep 08 - 01:23 PM Kathleen Parker explains why Palin should go home and spend more time with her family. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 28 Sep 08 - 01:36 PM As a woman, I sincerely can say Palin is an embarrassment to all women. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 28 Sep 08 - 01:38 PM Well, I don't think, generally speaking, that her doltishness is attributed to her woman-ness, Alice. At least I don't think of it that way. A dolt is a dolt even without lipstick. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 28 Sep 08 - 01:41 PM Amos, some repubs are claiming women will vote for her just because she is a woman. Some may, but in general, that idea is ridiculous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 28 Sep 08 - 03:36 PM I would be embarrassed to ever admit it if I voted on that basis primarily. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:07 PM It is not all her fault. She has obviously been humored and given the benifit of doubt her entire adult life. She has now entered an arena in which there is no room for doubt or coddling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 28 Sep 08 - 07:50 PM "As a woman, I sincerely can say Palin is an embarrassment to all women." As an American I can sincerely say that Palin is a paragon of American citizenry. |
