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Forum Lurker 05 Mar 03 - 07:51 PM
Don Firth 05 Mar 03 - 08:58 PM
Forum Lurker 05 Mar 03 - 09:13 PM
Bobert 05 Mar 03 - 09:34 PM
Forum Lurker 05 Mar 03 - 09:44 PM
GUEST,Dreaded Guest 05 Mar 03 - 10:00 PM
Bobert 05 Mar 03 - 10:16 PM
Forum Lurker 06 Mar 03 - 12:28 AM
GUEST,Dreaded Guest 06 Mar 03 - 02:31 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Constitutional Guarantees
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 07:51 PM

Mark Clark is right. It is one thing to have such a policy, and quite another to make seemingly arbitrary judgements. One is the exercise of property rights, the other is horribly open to exploitation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Constitutional Guarantees
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 08:58 PM

It might be a little hard for them to post all possible prohibitions where people could readily see them. Sometimes you see things like "No Eating in the Common Areas" and things like that, but it's pretty hard to anticipate everything they might encounter.

The way malls are usually set up is that the mall is owned, or at least managed, by some real estate management agency that leases space to individual businesses. They probably didn't tell the T-shirt shop what kind of T-shirts they could or could not print up and sell. Nor would they tell, say, a Radio Shack outlet what equipment they could sell. But should someone buy a bloody-great boom-box at the Radio Shack outlet, then go out in the common area of the mall with the boom-box turned on and cranked up, the mall management would be within their rights to insist that the customer turn it down, shut it off, or leave the mall. What the individual stores sell is, literally, their own business, although the mall management can exercise control there, too. You usually won't find a porn shop in a mall, because the mall management won't lease to them.   What the customer does in the common areas of the mall does fall under the jurisdiction of the mall management and security.

Frankly, I think they are being pretty damned snotty about the T-shirts, but that's because I sympathize with the T-shirt wearers' message. I wonder how the mall management might react if a couple of people walked through the mall wearing, say, swastika armbands. If they told them to take 'em off or get out, I don't think most of us would object. But there again. . . .

How people react seems to depend on whose ox is gored.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Constitutional Guarantees
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 09:13 PM

Some of us would still object (including me), on the principal that the people with swastikas are doing less damage with the armbands than the precedent will do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Constitutional Guarantees
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 09:34 PM

Danged, gotta agree with FL on this one. With the Ashcroft/Poindexter/Cheney Conspiracy very much underway, I'm beginning to see a coilition of folks who a few years ago wouldn't think of joining ina struggle with one another coming together to say "No thanks to the Bill of Rights going into the shreader."

Man, I hate this... but I can see having to stand with the "Gun Nuts" before this over. Hey, we may *have* to make some stinky deals along the way to stop a much stinkier deal...

Whew...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Constitutional Guarantees
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 09:44 PM

I son't have a problem with gun ownership, so long as it's responsible. It's only the people who let unsupervised children get their hands on loaded firearms that's the problem. Unfortunately, I think we have more of those people than the rest of the world combined.


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Subject: RE: BS: Constitutional Guarantees
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 10:00 PM

Ain't it a kick in the gut, Bobert? We're all going to have to make some accomodations for alternate ways of thinking. What I hate most about our TV-fed society is the balkanization...black vs white, Democrat vs Republican, etc. Those divisions are sold to us like margarine while the most wicked crew of humans to ever breathe plots our enslavement. Disarmament and subjugation by psycho-killers is NOT on my list of options.

Stalin, Mao and Hitler agree...disarmament works!


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Subject: RE: BS: Constitutional Guarantees
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 10:16 PM

Yeah, DG, it is a kick in the gut. But ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do. The important thing now is to save *democracy* for the generations to come.

And given the *imposter government* we have now, we have our work cut out for us.

Dang it!

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Constitutional Guarantees
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 12:28 AM

DG-those divisions existed centuries before TV. It's what happens when you have a non-homogenous society: people are different. Differences of perspective lead to differences of opinion, which sometimes lead to conflict. That's the way the world works. If anything, TV lessens the differences, by eliminating cultural diversity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Constitutional Guarantees
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 02:31 AM

You're wrong, Lurker. TV is insidious. The U.S. imported the Nazi death-camp psychologists in 1947 and they got right to work on brainwashing techniques utilizing the new medium of TV. So today, tens of millions of white men can watch a basketball game and have their most primal racial stereotypes reinforced when they see a black man grinning and swinging from a hoop.

Then you flip the channel and get a lecture on how the races should get along...intentional mixed messages designed to create guilt and confusion. This is Nazi brainwashing. Hundreds of groups have been set up to hate each other through subtle manipulation of television messages, and consequently, we now have a fragmented society that will be easier to conquer. Divide and conquer. The Nazis didn't LOSE WW2. Their work goes on.

I just came across some material on the guidelines Washington is setting for Hollywood regarding guns and will work that up into a post. Pretty distressing.


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