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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: jpk
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 05:16 PM

hi idiot,i am one of those poor people. i just want something i buy to last more than 10 min,like maybe 10 yrs,to me a good deal is paying for something once,not over&over&over,etc. mostly well made,not well it was made;but it broke


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 07:49 PM

You guys swallow anything you read in the newspaper. How do I know I the associates are providing facts. No question, I'm interested but how do I know they aren't disgruntled about something and want to hurt the company. I remember when Jane Pawley (sp) years ago had a negative story about Walmart that never developed further. Since then there have been others, and if I were a reporter, maybe I'd also be trying to break the story of the decade, but I'd do everything possible to make certain what I reported is accurate. I haven't seen one thing in my paper about Thomas M. Coughlin, which I think is strange. This is a large metropolitan area with an award-winning paper. However, I don't trust journalism as I did when I was younger. Too many apologies these days from editors for inaccurate info, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: DougR
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 08:13 PM

kat: I read your post and the sources you supplied to support your point of view. In my opinion, it adds up to zilch. If the state of California takes the Berkley study seriously, let the state file suit against Wal-Mart to recover the welfare money the study suggests Wal-Mart employees have siphoned from the state treasury. I wouldn't take bets on the state winning the case however. If Wal-Mart employees are not satisfied with their employer, or with the salary they are making they should make haste to find employment at a company they would like better and pays better wages than Wal-Mart.

As to the other source, all you have brought to our attention is a class-action law suit that has evidently been in the courts for years. Wal-Mart has not been found guilty of anything, nor have they been exonerated. I would not be surprised if similar law suits against Wal-Mart is pending in other parts of the country too. How do you you think the trial lawyers make so much money? Filing law-suits against potential money sources! Wal-Mart's got a big round target printed right over it's logo.

Let the courts decide and if Wal-Mart is found guilty, THEN offer the case as evidence. It's still "not guilty" until proven so in the U. S. isn't it?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 10:13 PM

Hubby, you went from being a guy with a point of view, in my opinion, to a slogan slinging idiot. Perhaps you could come up with some data to back the assertion that unions are criminals. Perhaps you could check the financial bonding rates for union rep's as opposed to small businessmen, large businessmen, Walmart store managers, preachers, rabbi's, etc. and see how we stack up. I think you will find less corruption in our ranks than yours. But you just want to play into stereotypes. It is the sign of a weak mind.

Unions haven't driven the work to China, greed has. If you were to check back a mere 20 years or so you would find that the average business owner made about 70 bucks for every dollar their employee made. Today it is something like 800 bucks. Do you know anyone else whose pay went up like that with or without a union? I didn't think so.

Find someone else to blame for the fact that you probably weren't a very good manager of your business. Cliche's don't hold water in a debate.

You, Martin, and the so called Fair Minded one are just shills. I don't buy into any of that.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 10:14 PM

And by the way, Doug. The courts have found them guilty, time and again. But you keep alibi'ing them, buddy.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 10:33 PM

And this just in:

Wal-Mart stock is up today .18/share

Shitloads of shares traded by people who believe in what Wal-Mart does.
Why is that? Because they do business smart, perhaps.


Whiners here equals completely zero effect. As DougR says, "zilch"

I said it before, the complainers here know much about business, hate corporations, and most things that they feel in this country that is good. No wonder we have so many here that are depressed, taking meds, just sitting at some computer all day, and sick or infirmed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 11:47 PM

"Martin"--

You neglected to mention, however, that Walmart stock hit a new low for the year last Friday and has been stagnant for several years. Costco, however, has done well in recent years, and is still, even after Friday, much closer to its high for the year than its low.

Interestingly, Macroslop (Microsoft) has also reeked as an investment in the past few years, and is now dragging along the bottom of its range. Meanwhile Apple has close to tripled in the past year (even after Friday)).

Perhaps the monopolies are falling on hard times (poor boys).

Certainly hope you, Martin, and Doug et al. were smart enough to bail out of Walmart several years ago. The market doesn't seem to share your enthusiasm for Walmart. But then you always know better than the market, so I'm sure you'll be fine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 12:16 AM

Its the only thing some people understand. If you hit them in the pocket, they start to get the picture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: DougR
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 01:24 AM

Ron: thank you very much for worrying about my portfolio. However, I really don't think I require your help. Look our for yourself, my friend.

Mick: I understand your POV as a Union organizer. You have to make a living, and I'm sure you are good at your job. However, there must be some reason why there has been a decrease in Union membership over the past few years. What accounts for it it?

Unions served a useful purpose years ago, but I think they have outlived their time. It's a new world, Mick, and I'd urge you to find other more employment with a more promising future. Just my opinion of course.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 05:41 AM

It is, however, quite interesting---Doug R and "Martin" have been waxing lyrical on the wonders of Walmart for at least the year I've been a member of Mudcat, and telling us about all the ordinary people who are invested in it, as well as, I'd say, implying that it's a good investment. During that time Walmart stock has been one of the worst performing of the Dow.

So, the question now becomes--are they ignorant or hypocritical?

Taking the charitable interpretation, I would say they are ignorant.

In fact, it just continues a virtually unbroken string of absurd claims and false information from them.

Caveat emptor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 05:58 AM

Hubby--

I echo Kat's posting of 15 April 2005 3:14 PM. But, closer to home--I recall you said you've had several businesses, all of which failed.   Perhaps your attitude toward employees---they should be grateful to get anything above minimum wage-- played a role.

It certainly does illustrate crystal-clear the need for unions--to counter such selfish and shortsighted greed.

Contrast your entrepreneurial record with that of Bobert--he started a successful business. I suspect his attitude toward employees was vastly different from yours.

As Kat says, there is in fact a point to treating employees decently. A few pennies above minimum wage doesn't cut it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:38 AM

Pay peanuts and you'll get monkeys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 08:35 AM

So, the question now becomes--are they ignorant or hypocritical?

"All of the above" is the correct answer.

Of course, they could simply be complete assholes.

(like the soon-to-be-confirmed U.S. ambassador to the UN)


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 09:57 AM

New year low is irrelevant when one had the vision to get in at the beginning, Ron Davies


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: DougR
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 12:43 PM

Thank you, Ron Davies and Greg F (good old greggie) for the insults. You both rank pretty high in my book too!

:>)
DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 12:50 PM

Actually they both are just rank.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 01:44 PM

Mick and Ron,


Although I appreciate your critiquing of my business experience, both of you have no clue nor would even attempt at guessing the true reasons why I have closed the businesses that I have had. Stop trying to turn this dialogue into a demon hunt because you can't support your own ideas. It just shows how desperate the union mentality is to be back to your glory days before the American electorate got smart and started voing more conservative.
The days of the UAW, Teamsters, AFL-CIO, and whatever other leg-breaking, bat-toting, thug organizations you guys belong to are long over. Reagan was right whenever he fired the ATC's for their illegal strike. I just wish that some of the companies in the US would have the guts to do that instead of moving out of the country because of the extortion tactics that you guys seem to hold dear to your hearts. It's true....you guys cost more jobs than you create.
Face the facts. You bitch about wages and benefits but you still manage to collect those union dues each and every month come hell or high water. I've got a nephew who tried and tried to become a steel worker and finally had to join the NAVY to become one. Why, do you ask? Because nobody would hire him due to the stranglehold that the United Steel Workers union have on all the big construction companies and telling them that they can't hire non-union steel workers. He refused to join the union and he couldn't get a job. How's that for putting people to work? I've got another nephew that wanted to work on a loading dock for a trucking company but didn't want to join the Teamsters. He was fired because of the stranglehold that the Teamsters have on the trucking companies which dictate to them that they can't use casuals who don't belong to the union. What did he do? He joined the Army.
You know......on second thought.....maybe unions are a good thing. There's two shining examples of how unions have caused two very fine upstanding young men to join the military to fight for your freedom of telling people why they can't have the high paying jobs that your forever complaining about. I owe you thanks. Keep up the good work....pretty soon we'll have all the good ones and you'll be stuck with the WM rejects.


Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 03:26 PM

Good post, Hubby. Too bad it's like talking to a bottle of laxatives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 03:44 PM

He refused to join the union and he couldn't get a job

Hey, Bubby, tough shit. Its his own fault- his choice. All choices have consequences & he'll just have to learn to live with his, like a grown-up. Something you might try, as well.

Your complete ignorance of the history of labor in the U.S. (or possibly simply your complete ignorance-vide below- is glaring. You've got the leg-breaking, bat-toting thugs on the wrong side of the equation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:04 PM

Thank you Greg for your insightful views.

and to you I say you're right. It was his choice on whether or not to take those jobs. He chose not to.....


Just like it's WM's CHOICE to not let unions come in and decide for everybody what's best for their company.

If you would just think before you speak you would really save a lot of embarrassment.



Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:20 PM

Lo siento mucho, Bubby- but your lack of knowledge & understanding and your fallacious reasoning don't embarrass me in the least.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:49 PM

Nothing could embarrass you Greg F. Except if someone saw your schmuck and how little it is.

What you guys don't get is how funny it is that you hate Wal-Mart and all things corporate and such and how you have absolutely no effect on them. You just like to posture and act like radical leftists and therefore you justify your failures in being a part of society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: GUEST,Bobby George
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:30 PM

123
... never won a game


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 12:13 AM

A
He had choice between joining the union or joining the Army.

He joined the Army.

He had a choice between joining the union or joining the Navy.

He joined the Navy.

I'd say they weren't very good choices. Maybe they need more education to help them make good decisions. Sounds like a lack of critical consciousness to me. Maybe a better education would have helped them to consider their choices more carefully.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 07:35 AM

This thread is doomed........once again the libs are caught with the "deer in the headlights" look and know that they can make no viable argument so resorting to changing the subject and personal attacks are coming to light. You guys never change.


Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: jpk
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 06:28 PM

to all of you die hard union bashers(unions can do some good as well as bad)look up the employment practices of the duponts,rockafellers,westinghouses,vanderbilts,and all the rest of the old name,turn of the last century money families, i think that you will find that they were not very saintly. in fact mister M.G. sounds to me that like[cheap goods] of all kinds.does that include peoples labor as well as maybe there lives,just so you can buy your cheap walmart (china made?)crap!


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: DougR
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 06:32 PM

Yep, Hubby, you got that right. They are masters at personal attack. Your comment to Greg F. reminds me of an old Texas saying: Sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought ignorant, than it is to speak and remove all doubt. :>)

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:01 PM

If only The Douggie would take his own Texican-style advice...


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:13 PM

jpk you haven't got a clue.

Cheap goods? What, like name brand items like perhaps Tide Laundry detergent or Tylenol, or maybe the bottles of Coca-Cola or perhaps the Crayola crayons for the kids at school.

And don't give me that idiotic crap that they make them cheaper for Wal-Mart. Name brand companies are not going to jeopardize their reputations.

You obviously were educated in a heavily populated barn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:19 PM

DougR, Hubby, etc,

These moron libs can dish it out but sure get bent out of shape when you give it back to them.

All liberals do is mock, laugh at, and criticize. Mock the government, mock religion, mock big business. They are the ones who should be mocked. Much of the entertainment value I find out of this place below the line is to mock the mockers.

The howling that results is what kind of keeps me coming back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:46 PM

OK, let's try this again. Hubby, like Martin, you are full of shit. When facts fail you, you fall back on tired old cliche's that simply aren't true. Historically, it wasn't the unions who started the violence. It wasn't the unions that had the National Guard, Pinkerton's and assorted other thugs killing it's members, their spouses and their children. Read about Ludlow sometime.

If you were half the patriot you seem to think you are, you would understand that your nephews tried to gain employment at a shop that had a union agreement. The law says that they must become members. Would you like to know why? It's because the union was formed when the folks that worked there chose to create a bargaining unit in a government supervised, democratic election. This is not a radical concept. There are many things in a society such as ours that we must comply with, even if we are opposed. Like taxes. If I had my way, I wouldn't pay one cent to support this stupid war we are in. If I had my way, not one cent of my property/income taxes would be used to give Walmart tax breaks when they don't need them. But I live in a democratic republic, believe in it, fought to defend it, shed blood for it, so I live with the rules. It is a great concept, and you really ought to look into it.

Doug, you are normally pretty intelligent, but when you have nothing better to say, you resort to the cheap shot. The evidence is pretty conclusive. The destruction of peoples collective bargaining rights have many reasons, not the least of which is a concerted effort by business interests, and their lobbyists, and their shills in the Republican party, to weaken the laws which protect workers who simply want a voice in their workplace.

And hubby, one more thing. Walmart, if they are following the law (which they generally don't), doesn't get to choose if they have a union. But they violate the law wholesale, intimidate the workers, and that is how they remain union free.

Which brings me full circle to the question that all you right wing wacko's refuse to answer. How is it that decent, upstanding, respect-the-laws, let kids die to defend us, conservatives such as yourselves don't seem to have values when someone continually break the law? This company has a record that is a mile long, but that doesn't seem to bother you. Why? Because you are hypocrites, that's why.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:49 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]Ooooooooooooooohhh it was Big Mick who was the Guest.

Fat Old Big Mick lecturing us when he can't even seem to manage his own life and family.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:51 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]Hey Mick. Wal-Mart will get you a good price on those size 50 waist boxer shorts you need.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 10:04 PM

Hubby--

"This thread is doomed" 7:35 AM 20 Apr 2005----if you think about it a bit, you may just possibly figure out that every thread is doomed. Duh.

But it can always be resurrected. So, in common with most of what you've said, that statement is meaningless.

2 nephews of yours refused to join the union, so you're not a big fan of unions. OK, fine.
As Dianavan has pointed out, however, that was their choice--you make your choice and you live with the consequences. And pointing this out is by no means a personal attack--unless you're so sensitive as to perceive it that way.

If you can't stand the heat....


It's also clear from what you've said about workers that you would be the "boss from Hell"--well, I sure can't think of anybody who would voluntarily work for you.

I'm sure that your attitude toward workers had absolutely nothing to do with the failure of your businesses. On the other hand ,as I pointed out, Bobert, with his far more generous attitude toward employees (and people in general), started a successful business. I'm sure it's just total coincidence.

Also, still waiting for your comments on the Maryland legislation--I wonder why they would think Walmart should be contributing more toward medical care for the poor--unless it's for the reason I cited--Walmart systematically underpays its lower-paid workers, and provides such abysmal health care coverage that it has to be forced to do what it should already be doing.

Yes, I know you think companies have no obligation beyond paying minimum wage--certainly none on health care.

Ah, for the good old days before the labor movement. Sorry--they're gone--you lose.

As for the "wisdom" of the US electorate now voting conservative--actually it's pretty clear that the result this time was primarily due to the successfully hate- and fearmongering campaign of our illustrious "leader". Demogoguery works--that's been obvious long before Germany in the 1930's.

Always glad to hear your response.

But--just think-- if you want the thread to die, all you have to do is not respond.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 07:13 AM

Mr. Rosenmutter (AKA "Martin"):

Don't bother to tell us you had the vision to get in at the start of Walmart. Your credibility in this, as on virtually everything else ---(please, "Martin"--talk to us about guitars--it's the only thing you may know something about)---is somewhat below zero.

As one of my most admired stock analysts on this forum (recognize anybody, "Martin"?) said "This just in":

Walmart hit another 12-month low yesterday.

January 2000 to January 2005 Walmart has been worse than stagnant. Hit about 68 in January 2000. Never even has hit 65 since then. Yesterday's close was about 47.

In that time (Jan 2000 to Jan 2005) Costco almost doubled.

Yes, with your superior knowledge, I'm sure you're a giant in the business world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 07:38 AM

Wow...WM stock @ $47?


Sounds like a bargain to me.
Buy it while it's down.


Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 08:59 AM

Right, but don't answer the point made.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 01:17 PM

Way back up the thread somewhere, Dianavan said:

There's also a story circulating that WalMart was busted for transporting illegal alien to clean their stores. Any truth to it?

You got a wrong handle on the story, Dianavan.   Close, but no cigar.

Wal-Mart was having outside contractors come in to clean the stores. The INS jumped the contractors for using illegal aliens. There were charges against Wal-Mart (as I recall) for not supervising the contractors who were being brought in to clean, to make sure they were using only legals.

No-one (at least to my knowledge) claimed that Wal-Mart was "transporting illegal alien(s) to clean their stores", but only that, in the never-ending search for the lowest-priced vendor, they were turning a blind eye toward the vendor's practices. The idea was, "They must have known," or maybe "They should have known."

If I'm mistaken in the above, I'm absolutely sure someone will correct me.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 03:24 PM

Oh, good. They weren't actually SELLING slaves, just using slave labor.

That sure makes 'em moral & upstanding & engaging in fair competition in the marketplace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 10:05 PM

Dave - You are probably right.

I'm glad someone is making them accountable for their share of the responsibility. 'Its pretty easy to say, I didn't know anything about it...' but not so easy to find labour that cheap anywhere else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 10:23 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]Ron Davies, OK if you want to call me by some goofy name Rosenmucker, I will take the pleasure of always referring to you as Ron "douche bag" Davies. Doesn't matter to me. Rosenfucker is not my real name and either is Martin Gibson.

But Ron "Douche Bag" Davies is most certainly yours and you are a better bag of chemicals for it.

Yeah, Wal-Mart is at a good price now. The whole market sucks. Actually it went up today about a half a point. You guys should have bought, but the fact of the matter is, the majority of you fat, bearded, balding guys know nothing about business. Most socialists don't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 02:15 AM

Actually the whole market does not suck. My ethical growth funds are up again.

People are starting to pay attention.

Shareholder action is a powerful tool for corporate change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 07:11 AM

Hubby--

Indeed, excellent suggesstion---why don't you and Mr Rosenmutter ("Martin") rush out and buy Walmart while it's down?--I'm sure you wouldn't want to to be thought hypocrites for not doing what you urge others to do.

Walmart at this point is what is known as a "mature" stock---read "rotting".

Enjoy!


Mr. Rosenmutter ("Martin")--

Please be so good as to quote at least one instance in which either Mick or I have mocked religion.

Thank you so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: jpk
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 05:14 PM

hi M>G> well mine might have been a barn,but it was ours.now how about that outhouse you came from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 05:46 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]jpk, about as clever as could be imagined from an idiot as yourself.
About as effective as going na, na, nan, na na.


Ron Dick Gozinia Davies. You and Mick are mockeries of just about everything that is what's good about America. along with your seething arrogance, of course. bitch, whine, and complain must be such a tiresome lifestyle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 06:41 PM

Ron, isn't it funny that when called on facts, this puppy just goes to name calling? Still has the intellectual heft of a flea.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 10:45 PM

"Intellectual heft of a flea"--what a felicitous turn of phrase, Mick. And so apt.



Mark "Martin"----

Still waiting for just one quote, by either Mick or me, which mocks religion, as per your post of 20 Apr 2005 9:19 PM.


We're coming to the put up or shut up stage--sorry I have to be blunt, but it appears that anything more subtle is lost on you.


By the way, why do I think you and Doug in fact have not bought any Walmart lately, even though this puts you both in grave danger of hypocrisy? Let's just call it ESP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: jpk
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 03:09 PM

well m.g. re 18 apr you whine about poor then brag about walmart stock which is it you rich or poor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: jpk
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 03:25 PM

also re 18 apr ,gripping about someone sitting at a computer allday,seems to me m.g. sure has a lot of postings floating around.could there be more than one,lord,lord isure hope not!


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Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 03:44 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]Dick Gozinia Davies, I don't have to prove anything. You prove it all of the time yourself.

Put up or shut up? Your socialist and arrogant attitude speaks volumes on what kind of POMPOUS AND ELITIST moron you and Big Mick both are.

Deal with it. I think you both really suck. Others here do, also.


jpk, you are at this point, unintelligable and just mumbling. Go drink some chocolate milk or something.

Jesus, the SOO-DOH intellectuals here just take this forum so seriously.

Oh well, just another day of mocking the mockers, who just can't stand it when it's dished back at them.


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