meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: GUEST,Pickles
Date: 07 Aug 18 - 06:01 AM

Wack fol the daddy ol

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Aug 18 - 06:08 AM

Irish folk songs rock harder than any other

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: GUEST,Dr John
Date: 09 Aug 18 - 03:50 PM

It's a reference to legendary voodoo queen, Masha "Rum Dum" du Lada.
Besides casting spells she also brewed up moonshine in the swamps of Lousiana.

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 21 - 04:45 AM

i have no knowledge of this but just to say, when i hear the song and the musha ring.... chourus plays, i can only picture in my mind a leprechaun talkingbto himself.

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 17 Mar 21 - 10:00 AM

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, not had time to read the whole thread -
and I am doing this off the top of my head!
- a while back an old man was recorded (in Shetland / Orkney?) singing what he had learned as 'nonsense' words
- fortunately someone recognised them as being fragments of Norn, an old language, thought to have been lost....
was it a ballad about Orfeo, King Orfeo? Think maybe Archie Fishjer sings it.....
Guess I should have checked my facts before posting, but perhaps someone else will do that before I get around to it!
Anyway, it confirms the possibility of nonsense words having been misheard . misunderstood language --- similar to mondegreens?!

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 03:19 PM

Ah alwez text the audience that “Musharing Dumma doo dum dah” meant “Buy the bearded guy with the guitar a pint!” And “Whack fol the daddio’ meant “Make it a double!”

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 03:24 PM

Here’s a more up-to-date birra nonsense!

https://youtu.be/cL7jyXCQ2Zc

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 03:26 PM

Oops! Try this

https://youtu.be/cL7jyXCQ2Zc

Subject: RE: synchronicity
From: Felipa
Date: 20 Mar 21 - 06:56 AM

and just yesterday I was reading an old interview with Bill Vanaver in which he spoke about doing a drama based on the tale of King Orfeo (See message from Gallus Moll 17 March (a repeat of a message from Apr 2017)

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: GUEST,Someguy
Date: 21 Feb 24 - 08:52 PM

ASK the remaining members of Thin Lizzy what it means!!

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Feb 24 - 09:52 PM

My theory was always they were a check on the singer's sobriety. If you can't sing whack fol the diddle really fast, it's time to switch to plain drinking and let someone else sing.

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: Thompson
Date: 23 Feb 24 - 02:34 AM

It translates more or less exactly as "Fol de lol, lallay".

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 23 Feb 24 - 09:02 AM

Whilst the vast majority of these chorus vocables are just that, and can be found in all genres of music, a notable few can be traced back to meaningful statements. Check out the 'rigdum' threads for instance. The long string of seeming nonsense that occurs in some versions of 'Froggy' can be traced back to early eighteenth century camp-followers cant.
Some like 'derry down' are so old and ubiquitous that we will probably never know if they had a meaning.

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 23 Feb 24 - 07:07 PM

I always considered the vocables attached to many folk songs to be based on the accepted local utterance for mouth music, or a Canntaireachd tune system. The latter is less likely unless there is a thriving tradition within the area.

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 02:56 PM

Might well be, Nick, that that is a small part of it, but they are found in nearly all genres of music. The vast collection c1825 of The Universal Songster is full of them, and plenty of Tudor court songs have them, Hey, Nonny No? Some of them are just there to give the soloist a rest and think of the next verse, and some are there to test sobriety of the singers, and some you need an A-level for....Even, dare I say it, Child Ballads have them in abundance.

Subject: RE: meaning - musha ring dumma do dumma da
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Feb 24 - 03:03 PM

I still like my idea.