BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 10:38 AM

Yes Epona, we all wonder why he keeps coming back for more !
It's as if he reads what isn't there and just makes up the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:31 AM

Keith A.Hereford. Maxine Carr, ex-girlfriend of Soham murderer Ian Huntley in living in Larne Northern Ireland with a senior Ulster Loyalist who was involved in many acts against the Nationalists in Northern Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:36 AM

Why tell me, and why in this thread guest?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 11:44 AM

Keith A. Hereford because you had asked to know her whereabouts.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 12:17 PM

Guest. Think we have enough problems over here without her.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 12:24 PM

Guest, where and when did I ask?
I think that you may be delusional.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 01:04 PM

Have a nice weekend all.
I am away for a couple of days.
Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 01:41 PM

Enjoy your weekend Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 01:48 PM

Thanks Sweeney.
You too.
keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Epona
Date: 21 Jul 06 - 01:59 PM

Hey, if you're going anywhere, wear your seat belt! I saw two unbelievable traumas at work last night because these kids weren't buckled in.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Oh, and I'd say the good guys are winning... ;)

E

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST,beachcomber.
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:05 AM

It sometimes really pisses me off to read the constant whinge of those posters who cannot see any view point other than their own.
Keith, I really do hope you are enjoying your break away from what , increasingly, appears to be your self-appointed mission to justify each and every action of your British establishment against all and any of it's former subjects who might have made efforts to gain measures of self determination.
You may not think so but we, here in Ireland as in so many other former colonies of your Empire, are now quite sophisticated enough to be able to understand that you did need to maintain the Empire, in order to maintain the standard of living that it gave you.
You, in turn, should be sophisticated enough to understand that such an arrangement is too one-sided to be acceptable for long, to a modern society. That stage had come in Ireland, even as far back as 1916.
The IRA was founded in a legitimate attempt to redress the imbalance that Imperialism was causing , socially, commercially and culturally, in Ireland.
It was opposed by Imperialism and, when the normal Imperialistic agencies (the RIC, Militias and Imperial Army) appeared to be failing to regularise matters within an acceptable timeframe, panic set in and "bully boy " tactics seemed the proper alternative for a "super power" to use.
Do not forget that the British Government saw Ireland as a part of the UK , just as much so as, Wales, Scotland or , even Lancashire and consequently attempted to redress matters by stronger policing. (Remember also that it's police force was an armed,garrisoned professional one.). We, Native Irish, on the other hand , NEVER saw ourselves as anything other than an invaded people who were determined to regain our sovreignty.
The methods we employed were in no way different than those of the British Government , then or later, to defend it's territory or, it's commercial interests, throughout it's Empire. Please do not quote Soloheadbeg or Knocklong as having been the catalysts that sparked the War of Independence. The executions of the 1916 leaders was of a far more significant nature, Indeed the deaths of some civilians after the "Howth Gun Running", at RIC hands, was probably an act that gave pause for thought to many an Irishman teethering on the brink of an involvement in his country's future.
This great emphasis on the "blood sacrifice" reputedly so beloved of Pearse , Plunkett and others is a red herring. It was merely an expression of the prevailing attitude of those times to warfare. We have only to read the poets, so revered of the era, Owem, Sassoon and our own Ledwidge on their experiences of the "Great" War. There was also an upsurge of Gaelic interest and feeling at the time, which turned many young men's ideas towards having a Gaelic country of their own. We must remember that , even though the British controlled Press said otherwise, (and still says so today) the vast majority of Rural IRA volunteers were from the ranks of the small farmers sons and the sons of shopkeepers , tradesmen and self employed. Yes propaganda was employed by both sides, as it is today, but , there is no denying that Ireland was being subjugated by an armed , occupying force, for the benefit (whatever it was) of a Great Imperial Power who considered,just as it had for many decades,that the indigenous population was an inferior race. Whatever those compelling reasons were back then, they no longer apply, and we have the situation now where this (declining though still overwhelming) power continues to prop up the pomp of a section of Irelands people.
Those who see their history as one of triumph over conquered foes. Lambeg drums and fifes, can recall the ancient victories of one section of society over another, but, they can never guarantee that this status quo can be maintained. Let us all be sensible and accept that we need to be united to succeed, Commercially, Socially and Sportingly.
Really, What would be so wrong about IRELAND as one Nation, with Protestant, Catho;ic,Dissenter, Moslem, Jew , Budhist , etc all being proud to live on this Island , together? It must happen in any case.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST,William Frazer
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 11:22 AM

Having been told about this site I cannot start to imagine how so many republicans mass together on one site under a hidden site name that is nothing more than a mouthpiece for republican murders. I have worked all my adult life to bring peace and justice to the decent people of Ulster. Clearly you have on idea of what the republicans did in Ulster. If you want to read the truth about events over the past 30 years visit our site at www.victims.org.uk and read our stories for a change. We are known as F.A.I.R. Please view and sign our guestbook on your visit.
Thank you
William Frazer

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:10 PM

>a href=http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=92760&messages=162#1781576>Open your eyes, Keith, for Christ sakes

2nd last, and last paragraphs...

... short attention span, Keith....

Not good...

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:18 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:07 PM

I don't think I have ever seen a site filled with so much hate. It has worked wonders for me Mr Frazer. I previously did not fully understand what the Catholic and Republican community in Northern Ireland had to put up with. I do now. I am surprised they have shown so much restraint.

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Lil' Kiwi
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 08:12 PM

I've had a look at that site just now. I feel exactly the same as DtG.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 08:40 PM

'we, here in Ireland as in so many other former colonies of your Empire, are now quite sophisticated enough to be able to understand that you did need to maintain the Empire, in order to maintain the standard of living that it gave you.'

I find that somewhat offensive. My mother and father both grew up in the town of St Helens, lancashire in - born 1919, an 1916 repectively. They both knew literal starvation as children. The streets in which they lived had people die of TB in every single house - theirs included. The whole town was covered literally in a pall of rain clouds containing sulphuric acid from the glass and chemical factories.

When my mother got ill with rheumatic fever as child - the only place they could send her to recuperate was her Irish family, where apparently a more wholesome diet and relatively cleaner environment was apparently still within the reach of some of the ordinary people.

having big estates over in Ireland might have benefited a few rich English bastards, but surely you are sophisticated enough to understand the folksinger Dick Gaughan's point when he wrote:-

'Irish and Scottish people are sometimes slow to recognise that the first victims of the British Empire were in fact the English people themselves.'

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 02:28 AM

Don't take these guys serious lads, they are simply crackers ! no one over here listens to them. They keep going to the government seeking funding and get chased. Most of the time they make the news here is for being caught in public toilets wearing french maid outfits and stockings (men I mean) or something with an under age kid. Yes they have a following of ex policemen or members of the Ulster Defence Regiment and individuals that have been thrown out of loyalist paramilitaires, all with a grudge. Nothing to worry about.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 04:41 AM

Regarding Families Acting for Innocent Victims (FAIR). That crew could export hate !

William Frazer and FAIR claim as a victim is Robert McConnell of the UDR (a regiment of the British Army) and the UVF (a unionist paramilitary organisations) who was charged with the the killing of the Catholic Reavey brothers in 1975. McConnell had a long sectarian history.

Frazer's web site includes reference to a speech made by Ian Paisley in which Paisley said under parliamentary privilege that Eugene Reavey, another brother of the dead Reaveys, was responsible for the Kingsmill massacre. This is a lie that Frazer and Paisley refuse to either apologise for or to delete from their sites, the police said this was rubbish.


The attack on the brothers in their home at Whitecross, Co Armagh, on January 4, 1976 and the simultaneous murder of three members of the O'Dowd family near Gilford, Co Down was believed to be done to provoke the IRA - then officially on ceasefire . William Frazer said both incidents "were no big deals" !

The attacks started the second worst annual death toll in the Troubles, with another 290 people dying before 1976 was finished.

No one has been convicted for any of these two attacks.

The 24-hour spasm of violence began with the attack on the Reavey home. Two of the brothers, John and Brian, died immediately. Their 17-year-old brother Anthony died three weeks later.

A Luger pistol and a 9mm sub-machinegun used in the murders were matched by ballistic traces to a gun and bomb attack on the Rock Bar, outside Keady, which took place five months later. One man was wounded in that attack when the bomb failed to explode.

Three serving officers of the Royal Ulster Constabulary were convicted in 1980 for the Rock Bar attack. One - who was already serving a life sentence for another sectarian murder.

The judge who passed sentence, the then Lord Chief Justice Lord Lowry, said "powerful motives" had pushed these officers, including "the feeling that more than ordinary police work was needed and justified to rid the land of the pestilence which has been in existence".

The RUC did not reveal the ballistic link between the Reavey murders and the Rock Bar attack for almost 25 years.

William McCaughey, the constable jailed for the Rock Bar attack, said it was "perfectly natural" for loyalists to be in the UVF and the RUC."

Fair and the DUP insist the war is not over and that the enemy can still be hunted and defeated (they sound like Keith A. of Hertford). A previous effort led by Drumcree stalwarts to rally Protestants around a new Ulster covenant was launched in Ballymena in 2001 with calls from one speaker for "B52 bombers over Dublin".

Willie Frazer said of Billy Wright the notorious unionist paramilitary and sectarian killer, "I have a lot of time for Billy Wright", because he "called a spade a spade". Presumably Wright called a taig a Fenian and vice versa, before he shot them.

At a protest against the release of republican prisoners under the Good Friday Agreement, Willie was asked about the release of loyalist unionist prisoners. Frazier said, "They should never have been locked up in the first place". Frazier said that the unionist paramilitaries were a necessary part of the 'war' against the IRA, and did a good job – which included hundreds of blatantly sectarian murders.

F.A.I.R. have not been without their own problems. Four senior members have appeared in court for either lude behaviour or acts of perversion within the last two years.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Epona
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:03 AM

WLD - Maybe it's not just the Irish and Scottish, but the English too? For as much as I appreciate your post, I think one point is missing. It doesn't matter who the first victims were or who the last ones will be. What matters is that there were victims at all! What matters is it's an ongoing assault on people and one that many choose not to recognize and stand up against. It's been happening in Ireland for hundreds of years, in England and Scotland for the same. In the British "colonies" too. To use a line from a song that the English were perhaps the first victims of their own rulers doesn't divert attention from the fact that in every country that has tasted British rule, the citizens have been treated as less then human. And that, WLD, is the problem, regardless of who the Brits brutalized first.

This movie only showed a minute part of the what the Irish faced. There are SO MANY more stories that haven't been told, and I'm sure you've glimpsed that from some that you hear on Mudcat. What I'm asking is not for anyone to play the "who was hurt first and who suffered most" game, but for everyone here to see that there was and still is a problem and that it has to be stopped, whether it's in England, Ireland or even New Zealand. It doesn't help to say, "yes, we've been victimized. Maybe things will change." You must admit that there is a horrific abuse of power and determine IT HAS TO BE CHANGED. If not for you, for you children, for your grandchildren.   

Rant is done. Off to work.

E

And WLD, for the record, I think your parents story is just as worthy as being remembered as the story that was told in the movie. History too often forgets those not in power, so don't let anyone forget how they suffered BUT survived.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST,William Frazer
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:53 AM

I never heard so much tripe and pro-republican guff. NO SURRENDER

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 07:43 AM

Yay! I have been posting for years that the working class and poorer English copped as much shite as the Irish and Scottish - Nice to see that at last some people are agreeing. I keep saying over and over again on various threads that the ordinary folk like you and I are not enemies. Never have been. Never will be. It is the landlords, money-men and power brokers that are causing all this grief. The sooner we stop arguing amongst ourselves and face the real problem the better off everyone will be!

Having said that (and having a love of rhetoric anyway!) I must take you up on a point, Epona. The British have not treated everyone as sub-human. By the admission of Lil' Kiwi on this thread (I think!) the Maori peoples of New Zealand have always been fairly teated and have in fact benefited from a British drawn treaty which entitled them to their own lands and stopped others invading them! Wonder what was different then? Perhaps we realy were at the zenith of our empire? Gone steadily downhill since;-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Epona
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 08:05 AM

Would be interesting to see if the Maori think they were always treated as equals...

E

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 08:11 AM

Don't ask me, Epona, I'm not a Kiwi. Read back up the thread and see what a native of NZ says. Speculation without the facts to confirm or deny is worthless.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 08:12 AM

Excellent points from both of you. This thread has become interesting. Once Keith re-appears i'm off !

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: ard mhacha
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 09:15 AM

Dave I read a book by the last of the native Tamans on the genocide which was practised by the early British settlers on the native population of Tasmania.

This lady was the last recorded native of this island, the writer states that the natives were hunted down until she was believed to be last of the aboriginal inhabitants, it was a book I found very hard to finish.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Lil' Kiwi
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 09:36 AM

The Maori mostly have been treated equal, nowadays of course they completely are.

I think they even had the right to vote before women in a lot of countries. It certainly hasn't been perfect over the years but there is the 'Waitangi Tribunal' that is tying the loose ends up of any grievences that some Iwi (tribes) still have. That's basically a court especially for Maori affairs arising from the treaty. I might add that this treaty was actually signed by Maori chiefs and taken up and down the country for them all to consider. The Maoris leaders, NZ government and opposition are all working towards everything sorted out within the next several years at the latest (a timeframe has been offcially set but that date escapes me right now).

The cultures have integrated/assimilated and there's never really been a Maori vs. European issue as such (aside from the Land Wars I may have previously mentioned). Maori words and place names are common. Basically every major official even has Maori content with a specific protocol. Even orientation at university for example has a Maori ceremony to welcome all new students.

Our key sports teams perform the Haka before games particularly The All Blacks for example (I'm not at all a rugby fan unlike most NZers), most of us have no problems singing the Maori part of our anthem, and many Maori chose to fight in all major conflict that we have been involved in from WW1 to the present.

There's also Maori taught in schools as well as schools that are completely Maori and Maori radio stations and tv channels.

And that's all I can think of right now at 1:30am. Off to try to sleep.
Have a grand week everyone!
Lil' Kiwi x.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Lil' Kiwi
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 09:47 AM

Ard, my ex-fiance is Tasmanian, and my mother is from mainland Australia, so I know a bit about the aboriginal people being literally hunted. They were pretty much wiped out in Tas. and not far from it on the mainland of Aussie. People would even go "abo hunting" after church on sundays! (I kid you not).

nitie nite all.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 01:54 PM

Tir Chonail,
Please take the trouble to read your own posts.
You have made another unintelligable one.
My name is mentioned but I don't know what you are saying. (12.10)

Beachcomber, in your post largely directed at me you say "Really, What would be so wrong about IRELAND as one Nation,"

It is frustrating that I am so often assumed to believe things that I have so often denied.
Many of you are shouting at an imaginary bogey man you give my name to.
AGAIN.
I am a supporter of the cause of Irish Nationalism.
Get it?
I am opposed to the paramilitaries of both sides.
I look forward to Irish unity.
This last should surprise no one. The whole population of England and Wales, and most of Scotland long for the day when NI becomes someone else's problem.
If you have been told that Britain wants to keep NI as a vestige of Empire, you have been lied to.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 04:46 PM

Dave I read a book by the last of the native Tamans on the genocide which was practised by the early British settlers on the native population of Tasmania.

Ard, exactly what has that got to do with the price of fish? Were they Maoris? Were they Irish? Why are you talking about Tasmania? Medication need adjusting perhaps?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Lil' Kiwi
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:25 PM

Hey y'all,

I have started a thread for anyone that wants to talk or ask things about NZ stuff :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST,beachcomber
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:37 PM

Keith I am sorry if I misunderstand you but you will admit that your postings (at least those that I have read ) on the topic of Irish unity and the methods that have been employed by Irishmen to regain it, have generally been adverse. You say that you are opposed to paramilitaries of both sides. Fine, but you make no such claim concerning the activities of the "legal" paramilitaries nor, of the British Army. I include among those such as the former B-Specials, UDR and RUC , now PSNI, all of whom have been involved in "extra curricular activity" down the years.
The political path to unity was , I believe, well explored in the years up to and including WW1 only to fail under the implacable opposition of the Loyalists, Orange Order and "Covenanters". Surely that was, and still is, obvious. Even if Ian Paisley were to stand down tomorrow, can you say that the succession would not be equally against Irish Unity ?
I would like to think that unity is now a possibility but I need to hear more reassuring words from the people in the 6 counties of both sides.
What would your opinion be Divis ?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:40 PM

Good weekend away Keith ? good post above, nice to see your views on Ireland in above post. Great to see we are starting to agree on something. So it's only me and the Provo's you don't like ?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 07:43 PM

You made some very valid points there beachcomber. when you consider 27 full and part time members of the security forces were charged and jailed for the murders of innocent nationalists/Catholics. Now that's not counting those murdered by the British army including all the children they killed with plastic or rubber bullets.

When someone with reason such as yourself looks into the situation over here, you can see the roots of the problem. We did not start this, but we did rise to defend our families. Expect the usual chants from Keith, about bombs in litter bins and Warington, sometimes think he must have been here that day because he recalls it that often.

I have attended the funerals of children who were shot at point blank range with rubber bullets by the soldiers who wore the same uniform you will find him wearing in the members photos section here. Never heard him condemn that.

Anyway having lived here all my life and been subjected to the Orange jackboot in employment application and saw my fathers business burnt out because we were a catholic family living in a Protestant area when the troubles started. When the police arrived they told my father " well what you expect" When my father pointed to the ones standing yards away from him and told them they did it, he was told, sorry we didn't see it and doubt any witnesses will come forward either.

Simple as this, we would never have gained anything if it wasn't for the armed struggle. The unionists had the power and the blessing to keep nationalists in the North of Ireland under heel. The IRA campaign brought the torture to the table. I use the word torture because any catholic who lived here in the 1960's will know it as nothing else. We were not allowed to vote, we were not allowed to own houses, we were refused work because the then prime minister in Northern Ireland told protestants not to employ catholics.

Listening to the like of Keith here beachcomber rabbit on about the honour of meeting great men who served in the Paras or who the IRA killed in attacks should really just be ignored, it's rabble to me, he knows f... all about it. He said recently he was here to ensure that Divis Sweeney would never get an easy ride here ! What is supposed to make me rethink my position ?

My position is very clear and simple to understand. We fought for what we have today. Do I support the peace process ? Yes 100%. Did I support the Provisional Irish Republican Army. Yes I did and I will honour and defend every last volunteer to the day I die.


Thanks for your understanding beachcomber.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 02:55 AM

Beachcomber, I have always posted in favour of ultimate unity, i.e. when nationalists have the majority.
I have always posted against the use of political violence by all sides.
I remember describing B Specials as sectarian thugs.

Sweeney, armies make bad policemen. Putting heavily armed young men into a volatile situation leads to bad things happening.
but
British army is least worst, most restrained of all.
IRA kept army there for 30 years. IRA stopped, army left.
IRA killed HUNDREDS MORE innocents than army.
(See chart)
http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html#statusperpetrator

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 03:05 AM

Sweeney,
I did post that I felt honoured to have known a man who did some extraordinarily brave things in WW2
It was in a thread about meeting war heroes.
What is your objection?

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Lil' Kiwi
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 04:44 AM

So the collusion and orange intimidation,
the plastic bullets and blatant slaying of civilians,
the protection and rewarding of their killers,
a brutally biased police force,
and the politicians holding peace to ransom,
and division and apathy long instilled...

Could only be met by peaceful means?! Yeah right.

I truly doubt how the conditions now for peace and progress could have been without those volunteers.

Even from over here I can see why they fought, and good on them. I'd certainly have done the same if I was Irish born, or faced a similar situation here in NZ.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 04:52 AM

Really don't want to know about your respect of a tosser who was part of a murder gang regiment who killed innocent people on the streets of Derry. He was in the North of Ireland in the early seventies.

I really have no desire to go into any point with you Keith here. Al tried to get you to see reason and I offered the hand of friendship, which was rejected with the reply that you were going to make sure I didn't get an easy ride on mudcat.

Go for it Keith, Game on.

Recently so many posters from all over the world have tied you in knots, and it was once pointed out to you, "You dig a hole for yourself".

Think it's best you stick with the like of Guest William Frazer above, he also honours ex soldiers.

See your back to your charts again, well it wasn't the IRA that killed members of my family Keith, it was the British security forces.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 05:04 AM

Tex Banwell
did not serve in Ireland.
Let us call that a "mistake" on your part.
Sweeney, you came to this site saying that you did not like our music but you just wanted to inform us about how good the IRA were.

Why do you deserve an easy ride?
I never start anti Republican threads, I just challenge propaganda.
And how you hate to be challenged!

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 05:24 AM

So why did he wear a Northern Ireland bar on his GSM ????
Did they just give it to him ?

So is Mudcat police officer Keith telling me to leave this site because I am not interested in your music ?

The hole you are digging for yourself gets deeper !

No Keith it's not I hate being challenged, I just don't like the fact you call me a murderer on this site, without proof, even after the site informed you there was no proof of your allegation.

Let us call it YET another mistake on your part !

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 05:35 AM

Read about Tex.
He was not even in the army in "early seventies" or even the sixties.
I think that you also made up me calling you a murderer.
We did have a lot of discussion around the post you made that appeared to be about killing by sniping.
The one you first apologised about, then joked about, then denied making, then accused me of making under your name.

I have never said you should be banned from the site.
We have no way of banning people anyway.
There is no reason why someone who hates folk music should not use this site as a platform for political propaganda.
There is also no reason why such a person should be given a free ride here.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 05:36 AM

Such a nasty welcome to new member Lil Kiwi

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 04:58 PM

Very sorry, one more.
You posted at 0405 local time.
Trouble sleeping?

The guy lived in New Zealand for Christ sake!

Classic Keith at his finest.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 05:38 AM

I see one of his obits says he served into the seventies.
I think that is a mistake, but excuses you.
I will check.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 05:41 AM

So are you saying he was out of the army in the early seventies ? Think you need go check your facts again Keith, it's okay I can wait.

I was invited onto this site by another member who told me about the propaganda you post, so really had to make sure people knew the truth about over here, as you will see they are if you read some of the above posts !

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 06:12 AM

He left the army after the war, but served as a territorial afterwards.
I think that is where the confusion has arisen.
I have looked at a picture of his medals and can not see the GSM and clasp, but I have e mailed the museum to make sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Fiolar
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 09:10 AM

Came across this news item.

"Controversy surrounds the carrying of a banner commemorating a UDA killer in the Twelfth of July Orange parade in Belfast city centre. It is widely accepted that Joe Bratty, who was eventually killed by the IRA in 1994, murdered Teresa Clinton in a sectarian attack a few months earlier. He is also believed to have been involved in the murder of five Catholics in Seán Graham's Bookmakers in 1992. An Orange Order spokesman refused to comment other than to say that everything that happened on the Twelfth would be reviewed."

Nothing changes or is likely to.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 09:57 AM

Keith try this site,http://cryptome.org/john-dignam.zip

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 10:09 AM

guest, that is a file not a site.
I prefer not to open it, not knowing anything about you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 03:40 PM

Copy & Paste the link, Keith.

Spoonfed, that's what you need to be.

Once you exhibit a bit of intelligence, I'll start to take you a bit more seriously.

You only think you are being clever, Keith.

When in fact you're being incredibly tedious.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley'
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 03:41 PM

.... eh...

200!!!