BS: The New Anti-semitism

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:40 AM

ps : Up the 'ra. Still making eejits of you.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:47 AM

I don't have time to read the whole thread just now. (Carol)

But you really should have taken the time to read the post you are pretending to respond to.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:55 AM

And this is for you, GUEST, 20 Apr 05 - 01:01 PM. That big lie that the Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem are teaching and inciting hatred of Jews and of Israel in their textbooks has been exposed as the big lie that it is. Your use of Lebanon to prove a point about the people of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem is about on the same level as blaming the People of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem for the information found in incorrect translations of Egyptian and Jordanian textbooks.

http://www.newprofile.org/showdata.asp?pid=704&language=en

"Palestinian textbooks contain incitement to hatred of Israel, right? Both President George W. Bush and President Bill Clinton have said so. Zionist groups constantly lobby European foreign ministries to stop support for Palestinian textbooks on that basis, and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon affirmed it at a recent Likud party meeting.

Detailed analyses of the textbooks have been done by research institutes. The U.S. Consulate General in Jerusalem commissioned studies from the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information (IPCRI), and in Europe the Georg Eckert Institute facilitated research. Research papers have also been published in international fora such as the Hebrew University's Harry S. Truman Research Institute for the Advancement of Peace, the Palestine-Israel Journal of Politics, Economics and Culture, and presented at the Oslo Coalition on Freedom of Religion or Belief.

At the political level, a U.S. Senate subcommittee on Palestinian education and the Political Committee of the European Parliament have both held hearings on the matter. No country's textbooks have been subjected to as much close scrutiny as the Palestinian.

The findings? It turns out that the original allegations were based on Egyptian or Jordanian textbooks and incorrect translations. Time and again, independently of each other, researchers find no incitement to hatred in the Palestinian textbooks.

The European Union has issued a statement that the new textbooks are free of inciting content and the allegations were unfounded. The IPCRI 2003 report states that the overall orientation of the curriculum is peaceful and does not incite to hatred or violence against Israel and the Jews, and the 2004 report states that there are no signs of promoting hatred toward Israel, Judaism or Zionism, nor toward the Western Judeo-Christian tradition or values.

Yet Sharon now claims that the Palestinian textbooks are a greater threat than terrorism. If that is so, education for peace and conflict resolution has become the greatest threat to Israel. Maybe it is: What little independent research has been done on Israeli textbooks, together with the recent New Profile report on the militarization of the Israeli education system, gives grounds for serious concern about what is happening to future generations on that side of the wall. Peace might feel threatening to a war-ingrained identity."

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 12:03 PM

(1) Within the country of Israel there is no physical segregation according to language or ethnic origin I would know of. That's why I see nothing meriting the name Apartheid there.

Already addressed this one.

(2) A wall between countries can be called a lot of things (as I know from my own country) but I have never heard the term Apartheid used for that.

The wall is not going up between countries. It is snaking all through the inside of the West Bank, and is cutting off large chunks of the West Banks from the people who live there. That is the problem. If the wall was going up between the West Bank and Israel, I would be all for it.

(3) If the winner of a war takes territories not formerly being part of her country that can be called many names, in the case of Israel I'd call it stupid and some other names, but I have not yet heard that taking over of a part of a country being called Apartheid.

It is apartheid when that part has been divided between areas where Jews can go, but Palestinians cannot, and other areas where both Jews and Palestinians can go. This is the situation in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

South Africa was a country segregating within its own boundaries and planning to 'source out' some pieces of SA with a part (a particular part) of its own population. Israel is a country that after having won a war has (stupidly, I repeat) annected some parts of other countries, treats these parts as its own territory and builds a wall to prevent people from neighbouring countries/territories entering Israel without permission.

The government of Isreal has created segregation within the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

If one swallows the Hamas propaganda unthinkingly then the whole country is still 'Palestine' with some Jews living in there. From that point of view, they call it 'Apartheid', for they do not want to have an Israel in the whole of 'Palestine' at all.

Yes, this is true, but it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion of Archbishop Tutu's quote which refers to the segregation that has been enforced by the government of Israel within the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem between the local Palestinian population and the "Jewish only" areas which divide the areas where the Palestinians are allowed to go into tiny bantustans, just like in South Africa.

My earlier comment still stands.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: The Curator
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 12:13 PM

I will repeat myself and ask GUEST to state proof that the Provisional movement was involved with the robbery he refers to.Can we get back to the original thread, this is not about me or the Provisional movement and there is no post where I make anti semitic remarks. As to the posts from ex and serving British soldiers, what's your stance on the original thread ? maybe someone from the jewish community will remind you of the role of the British against these people, or is that in the forget box ? I repeat this thread is not about me or the Republican movement.You hold your viewpoint I hold mine. If you want to debate us, that's another thread.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 04:01 PM

Wolfgang, you should consider with care what Gobson habitually says and does before you condemn those who use words against him.

Cartoon Irishman, you do the Irish as much disservice as Gobson does his own race.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: The Curator
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 04:11 PM

Arnhem was also a Bridge too far.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Moses
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 05:02 PM

I rest my case.

By the way, if Martin Gibson thinks that this website is full of nuts, then why does he spend so much time here? Is he a squirrel? Squirrely, we all know that, but just what species is he really?

Martin, Martin, Martin (or is it Marc?), is what you are doing here a fit occupation for a nice Jewish boy?

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 05:15 PM

" rosenmutter" can't be Martin...he once posted that his real name is ******** *. ************, and it don't quite fit, you see? You know he wouldn't mislead us.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 05:21 PM

99% of what he posted was ficticious. The bitterness was real. The rest is history. Well done to the fools who pm'd him as martin gibson. Sometimes it is preferable to live in a world where you aren't so desperate for acceptance by EVERYONE.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 06:22 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]Hey douche bags, especially you Shanty Irish Curator.

Been so busy with work finally checking in.

Curator, proper etiqutte here is to keep PMs private. You are the biggest homo pervert on this board and a liar completely. I am so glad that us Jews use Irish of your type as cleaning ladies.

I wouldn't bother PMing you for anything unless there was some way I could shit on your face that way.


Bridge, Jews are not a "race" go back to fucking one of your clients.

Guest, shame about that dingleberry you can't remove. Ha Ha! I take you about as serious as you take the ring around Uranus.

Guest, Moses. Yep it's as fit as I want it to be. Watching phony liberal goys writhe and howl is the same you did to the Egyptians. Go eat some manna.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 06:29 PM

Anti-Semitism is beginning to sound pretty good to me.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 06:33 PM

No it isn't, Ebbie, and we should never, ever say that.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Moses
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 07:14 PM

It is very likely that "Martin Gibson" is a member of the Ku Klux Klan or the American Nazi Party and is only claiming to be a Jew in hopes of getting people to associate his behavior here with Judaism.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 07:22 PM

What "Martin Gibson" calls anti-Semitism is really just a lack of subservience from people to whom he feels superior. Real anti-Semitism... the hatred of Jews and/or prejudice against Jews because they are Jewish is not the same thing at all, and is the cause of a lot of pain and suffering. It's not a joking matter.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 10:15 PM

You can hid behind that crap CarolC, but very few buy it after all of the Israel bashing you have done here.

Detractors, howl all you want. You will never meet a prouder Jew than I am. Besides, at this point it's obvious you are so worked up, you will say anything.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 10:35 PM

Clear case of transference, CarolC...

You hit a nerve...

Good shot, and you are absolutely correct!!!

Thre only god that Martin worships is George Bush...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 10:50 PM

The only thing I worship bobert is God.
[bleep - for antisocial behavior]
The only thing I believe you worship is your anal pore.

That popping sound is your head coming out of your ass.

No one hits a nerve with me bobert. Unless of course you insult my family which some here stooped to. I'm digging on this. It's bringing Mudcat down to the new low I knew it was capable of with the birdbrain cast of characters here. The sensible ones I just seem to get along with fine, but morons like yourself are the worst the far left have to offer and it's showing like a neon light in the desert.

Like I said, at this point, you guys will say anything because there's nothing else you are capable of saying. At this point, the liberal Mudcat faction is severely cracked and damaged and perhaps I am not through yet.

It's just so easy making you look so foolish, bobert. Keep it up. Your desperation is pretty entertaining.

I think you find it really hard to believe how much support that I continue to get here. Deal with it, pal.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:12 PM

Martin - The only kind of support for you that I have seen is from people that care about you as a human being. As to your claim that if you are critical of Israeli politics you are also anti-semitic, I have read no supporting statements.

In fact, Martin, most people think you are a bad actor.

I, for one, do not believe that you are anything you claim to be.

You are mostly a person who, for lack of positive approval, thrives on negative attention. Seek help before your anti-social personality disorder follows you into adult life. You can be helped.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:16 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]And dianavan, you can come to America and live a better life if you want to.

Extra wide tampons are in much better supply here I am told.

Christ, if only you could see the PMs I get.

And no, I was never a good actor. I'm too bluntly honest.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:21 PM

Polymorphorse perverse guilt, Martin... Ask yer shrink about it? Might save you some future couch bucks in his office...

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 11:34 PM

.... 'er her office but might be tougher fir ya' to talk about???

BYW, is yer shrink a guy or gal???

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Just another Pinko
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 12:49 AM

We can only hope that you really are Mark Rosenmutter. Otherwise, you've brought a lot of tsuris down on some poor shmuck in Evanston. ÊYis'ga'dal v'yis'kadash sh'may ra'bbo...and all that.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 02:08 AM

Cartoon, Shanty, whatever you want to call us, Bridge.

Sticks and stones, eh?
Bullets and bombs do the REAL damage, Richie.

It is one thing your Nationalistic pride could never handle.
That you could NEVER subdue the Irish.

Call us what you want after that. You could never even lose a football match Dickie, with any sort of grace, for Chrissakes.

English people are the gombeens of the World, Dick
The only thing half of you can say when abroad is "If it wasn't for us, you'd be speaking German.

Well, Dick, If it wasn't for us, you wouldn't have got manners slapped on to ye.
For that you can be eternally grateful to the 'Cartoon, Shanty' Irish.

I hope your cleaning woman robs you blind, Mark.
My sister has a cleaning lady from Rishon Le Ziyyon, and she thinks she's a lovely woman.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 03:07 AM

Gee - Guest Tir,

I was beginning to enjoy your tirade until you called English people the gombeens of the world.

I have no respect for the politics of Britain, but there are people from many nations who are gombeens. When you resort to stereotypes and name calling, you put yourself in the same category as MG.

I'm glad you slapped some manners on the Brits and I just wish someone would slap some manners on Bush. Are you up to the task? Somebody has to do it?

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 03:16 AM

Some of them are, Dianavan.
If they wish to generalise about us, I am happy to do the same.

Putting manners on Bush?
Wars COME to nations, Diana.

How many Irish in America?

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 03:42 AM

Tir eggonface,

" The ammorarilty of Irish wartime neutrality was summed up by de Valera's infamous visit to the German Ambassador in Dublin in april 1945 to present his condolences on the death of Hitler"
               by Geoffrey Robert in The Irish Times 4th june 2004.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 03:43 AM

sorry, that should read 24th june 2004.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 03:56 AM

True enough. Maybe you could teach the Iraqis to slap some manners on the U.S. Hey, maybe they don't need your help after all. They seem to be doing a pretty job of it at present. Only trouble is, many people seem to think that the 'insurgents' are targetting food convoys and civilians when, in fact, they are targetting the police, the military, the multi-nationals and the newly formed 'govt'.

Another problem is that the U.S. is also controlling the media and when they can't control the journalists, they just shoot them.

I know there are many Irish in America but that doesn't seem to be helping to end the situation in Iraq.

Come to think of it...MG, like many Jews in America, lend alot of support to Israel much like the Irish in America supported the I.R.A. Now there is an interesting parallel!

So how does a nation end a war and find peace and prosperity for the people? Seems to me that Britain only backed off of Ireland once they had depleted all of the natural resources. Will it be the same in Iraq?

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 04:08 AM

Cartoon Irish and Gobson seem to have a lot in common - both determined to make the inertial observer despise those they claim to represent. Maybe we should put them in a room together and walk away. Whichever of them lost, the world would be a better place.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,dumb irish twat
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 04:32 AM

"Oh no we've run out of potatoes to feed the chickens"

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 07:26 AM

Mr. Rosenmutter ("Martin")--

Just ran across this.

Sorry, Mark (or Mr. Rosenmutter) AKA "Martin".--- It ain't me babe. I said-a-no-no-no it ain't me babe. It ain't me you're lookin' for, babe. (20 April 9:30 PM).


As you should have learned by now, there's more than one articulate person on Mudcat who is perhaps not your biggest fan (sorry to have to break it to you). Consider, most recently, Benjamin.

Even a Guest can be articulate. Nice try though.

Should I be flattered, Mark, by the fact that you see me in every shadow? No, actually it's plain you're a pathetic individual who needs treatment.   Please, get it soon.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: The Curator
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 07:50 AM

Cool it lads and lasses, Marc sent another pm to me, not just as nice as the one on Tuesday night, he really is extracting the urine. As to Richard (Arnhem) Bridge, why are you coming at me here ? If you want to lock horns, no problem I am up to it.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Vinny Victim
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 08:02 AM

An irishman and a jew walked into a bar, the rest they say is bad grapes

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 08:12 AM

Interesting

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 08:19 AM

Tony Clifton was Andy Kaufman's alter-ego

Or was Andy Kaufman, Tony Clifton's

Is Rosenmutt's name in that list?

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Rabbi
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 08:20 AM

Prayer for Gibson from his Rabbi

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Torctgyd
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 08:44 AM

Guest Allen,

An interesting site on the Khazars.

I was reminded of a study by statisticians who calculated that everyone alive today has a common ancester alive about 2,300 - 2,500 years ago. Therefore everyone in the world today has a semitic ancestor! Everyone who was alive then is either related to everyone who is alive now or is not related to anyone alive today.

I will conceed your point about the meaning of anti-semitism although whoever coined it didn't do a very good job due to its lack of clarity. However the arguments put forward for the definition of anti-semitism fall down with the word anti-semitic. This definitely means against semites and not specific to Jews. (The argument being there is no word semitism so anti-semitism means what the coiner meant it to mean. This is not true of anti-semitic as Hebrew and Arabic, for example, are both semitic languages. So anti-semitic and anti-semitism cannot both be only anti-Jewish).

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 11:14 AM

Picture explains why Gibson is such an expert on excrement

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 11:23 AM

Is it not clear to you that Rosenmutter putz in drech thrives on this stuff??? Why do you keep feeding him? You are beginning to look as silly as he is sick. Between you folks feeding him, and Offer feeding Shambles, I don't hold much hope for a return to any type of civility on the Mudcat.

Shame, really.

Mick

Subject: A Poem to the NEW Antisemetism
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 11:29 AM

White bread and mayonnaise
'Public Relations' by E. Bernaise
became food and bible for ol' Joseph Goebbles
so people would not have to think.

Instinct and dirty desires
fuel the sleazy TV fires
of shocking abhorrent naked titties while think tanks endlessly repeat their ditties
the rotting corpses lose their stink.

The Republican religious revival
has no Congressional rival
as reported on FOX what's Gored is our ox
whew the Nazis were so rinky dink.

Now their eyes fill with elation
as they view a similar equation
of Final solutions and AIDs evolution
cheering death except for abortion.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 01:31 PM

mick , marc made personal attack after personal attack on carol, ebbie, dianavan and others. They were left to remain. That set the tone. Those who chose not to delete them are in no position to tell us how to post.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Wesley S
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 01:47 PM

An eye for eye leaves a person half blind.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 03:12 PM

What a riot that you call me this poor guy Rosenmutter.

I'm not him!   I don't live in Evanston.
[bleep - for antisocial behavior]
Davies you are so desparate to put a real name to me you will use ANYthing. What a pathetic moron you are.   What a complete and total asshole you are.

You know what Davies? I think your real name is really Dick Gozinia. so, Dick quit using the name Ron Davies to hide behind because you are obviously Dick Gozinia.

this is hilarious.

The Mudcat anti-semitism continues to pour out from the moron left like Ron (Dick Gozinia) Davies, bobert, and the usual phony Guests.

Richard Bridge is anothe Brit who's has a problem with the Jewish "race" as he calls them.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 03:13 PM

Overcoming Liberalism: A 12-Step Program
Written by Jeremy Robb
Monday, January 06, 2003


       Several months ago, I heard radio host Michael Savage refer to liberalism as a "mental disorder." As odd as this concept might seem, I think I actually agree with him. I've seen liberalism turn some of the most intelligent people I know into propaganda-spewing robots who care only about the message, not the inaccuracies behind the message. Emotion always trumps logic for them, regardless of the blatantly obvious.



       Given the difficulty in bringing liberals into the light, I thought it might be helpful to provide them with a 12-step program that could make it easier for a successful transition into reality. As conservatives, we have to remember that we can only be supportive to liberals in this program. They cannot do it alone, but we also cannot do it for them.



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Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 04:53 PM

Michael Savage is a mental disorder.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 04:57 PM

Martin Gibson's pick up truck

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/crystalnacht.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 05:16 PM

Sorry, moron. Have a Lexus because I work for a living.

Michael Savage is actually pretty entertaining. I don't agree with him on everything but he has some good ideas on why liberalism has been ruining America.

I understand he has a new best seller out on the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 05:24 PM

I think his whole act is an attempt to make Anne Coulter notice him.

Subject: RE: BS: The New Anti-semitism
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 11:03 PM

Mark "Martin"--


Anti-Semitism--as from Benjamin, Art Thieme.....or me.

I challenge you to find one anti-Semitic remark from any of the above---as distinguished from( richly deserved) criticism of you---you were aware there is a difference, weren't you?

Perhaps somebody needs to explain it to you, in short words, so you might understand
it. If you can't find anybody else, I'll be glad to do the honors.

Benjamin put it perfectly:

"You do the two guitars that you hold in so much reverence no good advertisement, and you do our people no favors by your filthy and vicious tongue".

I couldn't have said it better.



But I assure you that in fact I'm not in every shadow--you don't have to be afraid.

Sweet dreams.