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Subject: NURSERY RHYME-THE DISH RAN AWAY WITH THE
From: AJR
Date: 19 May 07 - 02:48 PM

CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHICH NURSERY RHYME THIS COMES FROM.
Line begins "the little dog lauGhed to see see fun..."


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Subject: RE: NURSERY RHYME-THE DISH RAN AWAY WITH THE
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 19 May 07 - 02:50 PM

Hey Diddle Diddle


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Subject: RE: NURSERY RHYME-THE DISH RAN AWAY WITH THE
From: Jeri
Date: 19 May 07 - 03:01 PM

The one that goes:
Hey diddle diddle, the cat played the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon,
The little dog laughed, to see such a sport (or 'fun'),
And the dish ran away with the spoon.
More information/speculation at Wikipedia


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Subject: RE: NURSERY RHYME-THE DISH RAN AWAY WITH THE
From: Becca72
Date: 19 May 07 - 03:09 PM

I learned it
    "hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle
                 the cow jumped over the moon,
                 the little dog laughed to see such a sight,
                 and the dish ran away with the spoon"


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Willa
Date: 19 May 07 - 04:10 PM

I learned it
Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon,
The little dog laughed, to see such fun
And the dish ran away with the spoon.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spo
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 19 May 07 - 04:38 PM

My experience (running back 76 years) agrees with Willa's.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 May 07 - 05:00 PM

My experience was
    Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle,
    The cow jumped over the moon,
    The little dog laughed, to see such sport
    And the dish ran away with the spoon.
And I learned this in 1950's Detroit, so it must be correct. If you ask Blessings Barbara and Harpgirl, I'm sure they'll agree with me.

I don't know that I believe most of the political-allegory theories about the origins of so many nursery rhymes. I think there's a good chance that in cases like this one, the allegory was applied to an existing rhyme.
But that's just my guess, and what do I know?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: BusyBee Paul
Date: 19 May 07 - 05:01 PM

Mine too but from only 45+ years ago!

Deirdre


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Jos
Date: 19 May 07 - 06:36 PM

Willa's version is what I learnt, but I did see the 'sport' version in rather self-conscious 'Nursery Rhymes for Little Folk'-type books.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Crane Driver
Date: 19 May 07 - 06:50 PM

From an old manuscript -

Hey diddle diddle, the cat did a piddle
All over the kitchen walls,
The little dog laughed, to see such a mess,
And the cook kicked him right in the . . .

The last word isn't clear


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 May 07 - 07:34 PM

And don't forget-

Hey diddle diddle,
And hey diddle Dan!
And with a little money
I bought a little man.
His legs were all crooked
And wrongways set on,
So what do you think
Of my little old man?

Hey diddle dinkety, poppety, pet,
The merchants of London they wear scarlet;
Silk in the collar and gold in the hem,
So merrily march the merchant men.

MY LITTLE MAID
Hey diddle dout,
My candle's out,
My little maid's not at home;
Saddle the hog,
And bridle the dog,
And fetch my little maid home.

Home she came, tritity trot,
She asked for the porridge she left in the pot;
Some she ate, and some she shod,
And some she gave to the truckler's dog.

From the Oxford Nursery Rhyme Book, assembled by Iona and Peter Opie, Oxford Press, 1955; corrections 1957, 1960.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spo
From: mrdux
Date: 19 May 07 - 09:18 PM

My childhood version -- learned in Chicago in the '50s -- is the same as Joe's. Must be a midwestern thing.

michael


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 May 07 - 10:12 PM

Joe's Detroit version- and the Chicago version posted by mrdux- are identical to the one in the Oxford Nursery Rhyme Book by the Opies'.

Should Becca and Willa go to the bottom of the class? No, others are permissible:
S. Baring Gould, 1895, "A Book of Nursery Songs and Rhymes," Methuen & Co.
X
Sing hey diddle diddle,
The cat and the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon,
The little dog laughed
To see such craft,
And the dish ran away with the spoon.

I haven't gone back to Halliwell (1846) but he may have another.

The oldest version known in print (1765) begins "High diddle diddle..." Some claim the verse originated at Bolton Abbey, Wharfdale. http://www.boltonabbey.com/highlights_diddle.htm
Hey diddle

"...to see such fun" also is widespread.
http://www.rhymes.org.uk/hey_diddle_diddle.htm


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: masato sakurai
Date: 19 May 07 - 10:31 PM

From James Orchard Halliwell, ed., The Nursery Rhymes of England, 4th ed. (London: John Russell Smith, 1846, p. 140):
Hey! diddle diddle,
The cat and the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon;
The little dog laugh'd
To see such craft,
While the dish ran after the spoon.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 May 07 - 02:46 AM

My mother-in-law, born in 1915 on the Massachusetts-Rhode Island border, learned the same "see such sport" version I learned in Detroit in the 1950's - so it's more than just Midwestern. You don't get more New England than where she's from.
-Joe-
    By the way, if there are other nursery rhyme threads that should be added to the crosslinks, please let me know by personal message.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 May 07 - 02:50 AM

"see such fun"

In Queensland during 1950s - grandma was German/English.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: masato sakurai
Date: 20 May 07 - 05:40 AM

The "to see such sport" version is in Walter Crane, Mother Goose's nursery rhymes : a collection of alphabets, rhymes, tales, and jingles (1877) (p. 175, with an illustration):
Hey, diddle, diddle, the cat and the fiddle
The cow jumped over the moon;
The little dog laughed to see such sport,
And the dish ran after the spoon.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spo
From: GUEST,Nicholas Waller
Date: 20 May 07 - 05:49 AM

Tolkien created a longer, larger and "older" version which appeared in The Lord of the Rings (when Frodo and the hobbits are entertaining people at the inn at Bree while Aragorn watches balefully from the shadows) and elsewhere, and "Only a few words of it are now, as a rule, remembered."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_Moon_Stayed_Up_Too_Late


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: masato sakurai
Date: 20 May 07 - 05:58 AM

From Mother Goose's melodies. : The only pure edition. Containing all that have ever come to light of her memorable writings, together with those which have been discovered among the mss. of Herculaneum, likewise every one recently found in the same stone box which hold [sic] the golden plates of the Book of Mormon. The whole compared, revised, and sanctioned, by one of the annotators of the Goose family. Entered according to Act of Congress in the year 1833, in the Clerk's Office of the District Court of Massachusetts ([1833]) (p. 22, with an illustration):
High diddle diddle,
The Cat and the Fiddle,
The Cow jumped over the Moon,
The little Dog laughed
To see the sport,
And the Dish ran away
With the Spoon.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: masato sakurai
Date: 20 May 07 - 06:17 AM

From William Francis Prideaux, Mother Goose's melody (1904) [A FACSIMILE REPRODUCTION OF THE EARLIEST KNOWN EDITION], p. 32:
HIGH diddle diddle,
The cat and the fiddle,
The cow jump'd over the moon,
The little dog laugh'd
To see such craft,
And the dish ran away with the spoon.

It must be a little dog that laugh'd, for a great dog would be ashamed to laugh at such nonsense.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Azizi
Date: 20 May 07 - 08:21 AM

In case we're keeping a record of which version was recited in which specific geographical area, I learned "the little dog laughed to see such sport" version in Atantic City, New Jersey, 1950s.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Jos
Date: 20 May 07 - 08:56 AM

Most of my nursery rhyme learning came from 'Listen with Mother' on what was then the BBC Home Service. I am pretty sure their version was 'to see such fun', which would thus have been learned by many thousands of British children.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Jos
Date: 20 May 07 - 09:07 AM

We also had a few 78 rpm records of 'Uncle Mac's Nursery Rhymes', but I can't remember whether we had 'Hey Diddle Diddle'. Maybe someone else can remember which version 'Uncle Mac' used.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: masato sakurai
Date: 20 May 07 - 09:40 AM

Quoted from Baroness Rosina Bulwer Lytton Lytton, Cheveley: Or, The Man of Honour (Harper & Bros., 1839, p. 59):
"Child. Hey diddle, diddle,
    The cat and the fiddle--
Mother. Thee ought not say that, Mary; for, Hey diddle, diddle, has no meaning.
Child. The cat and the fiddle,
    The cow jump'd over the moon--
Mother. Stop! thee may say the cat and the fiddle, if thee pleases; but do not say the cow jumped over the moon--say the cow jumped under the moon: for thee should know that a cow cannot jump over the moon, though it may jump under the moon.
Child. The little dog laugh'd to see the sport--
Mother. What, Mary! a dog laugh! Thee should not say so; for thee knows a dog cannot laugh: thee might say the little dog barked, if thee pleases.
Child. While the dish ran after the spoon.
Mother. Mary! Mary! how can a dish run? Does thee not know that a dish has no legs to run with? Thee should have said, the dish and the spoon."--Utilitarian Philosophy for Nurseries and Noodles.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 May 07 - 11:32 AM

A remembered variation on the one posted by Crane Driver;

Hey diddle diddle, the cat did a piddle
All over the bathroom mat.
The little dog laughed to see such fun,
And piddled all over the cat!


Amazing the childhood memories these things evoke!

CHEERS
Nigel


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 20 May 07 - 11:40 AM

I'm with Willa and Jos - but that's probably because I listened to the BBC Home Service when I was young (and before it became Radio 4).

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: MMario
Date: 21 May 07 - 08:21 AM

I learned it as "sport" as well - Cape cod, in the 50's.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Becca72
Date: 21 May 07 - 12:13 PM

I learned it as "to see such a site" in Southern Maine in the late '70's so who knows how many times it mutated!


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 May 07 - 01:08 PM

site? Location?

Where was it?


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spo
From: GUEST,Em
Date: 21 May 07 - 02:40 PM

I had a book with the version,
Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon.
The little dog laughed to see such fun,
And the dish ran away with the chocolate biscuits.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Little Robyn
Date: 21 May 07 - 03:37 PM

Both sport and fun were heard in NZ.
This makes sense:

Hey Diddle Diddle may have originated from Bolton Abbey.
Certainly there was a Prior Moone and a family named Hey here. Legend has it that Prior Moone was "diddled" (robbed) over the sale of some cows by a local family called Hey, and the dog, for which there are two, one sitting on each side of the tower that Prior Moone was having built, are indeed laughing.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 08:00 PM

High diddle diddle
the cat and the fiddle
the cow jumped over the moon
the little dog laugh'd to see such craft
and the dish ran away with the spoon


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spo
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 09:13 PM

There was a crooked man,
And he did very well!

From the Urban Mother Goose

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: machree01
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 10:09 AM

Hey diddle diddle
the cat done a piddle
over the bathromm mat,
the little dog laughed
to see such fun,
so he piddled all over the cat.


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:06 PM

Hey diddle diddle the cat did a piddle
behind the kitchen door.
the little dog laughed to see the fun
so the cat did a little bit more. (Yorkshire 1970s)


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Hokumsheik
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 09:27 AM

Roughly 50 years ago I came upun a nursery rhyme book that gave 24 verses to this populair ditty.
I seem to recall that each line of the present vesion came from a different couplet.
I can find no reference to the longer work. Can anyone help ? thanks in advance.....


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 09:32 AM

What does it mean?


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: IanC
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 10:01 AM

Hi It may have been taken from the expanded version provided by J. R. R. Tolkein in The Lord Of The Rings (book 1).

:-)


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: IanC
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 10:09 AM

Would this, perhaps, be it (from Tolkein Poem)?

The Man In The Moon Came Down Too Soon
by J R R Tolkien
There is an inn, a merry old inn
beneath an old grey hill,
And there they brew a beer so brown
That the Man in the Moon himself came down
one night to drink his fill.

The ostler has a tipsy cat
that plays a five-stringed fiddle;
And up and down he saws his bow
Now squeaking high, now purring low,
now sawing in the middle.

The landlord keeps a little dog
that is mighty fond of jokes;
When there's good cheer among the guests,
He cocks an ear at all the jests
and laughs until he chokes.

They also keep a hornéd cow
as proud as any queen;
But music turns her head like ale,
And makes her wave her tufted tail
and dance upon the green.

And O! the rows of silver dishes
and the store of silver spoons!
For Sunday there's a special pair,
And these they polish up with care
on Saturday afternoons.

The Man in the Moon was drinking deep,
and the cat began to wail;
A dish and a spoon on the table danced,
The cow in the garden madly pranced
and the little dog chased his tail.

The Man in the Moon took another mug,
and then rolled beneath his chair;
And there he dozed and dreamed of ale,
Till in the sky the stars were pale,
and dawn was in the air.

Then the ostler said to his tipsy cat:
'The white horses of the Moon,
They neigh and champ their silver bits;
But their master's been and drowned his wits,
and the Sun'll be rising soon!'

So the cat on the fiddle played hey-diddle-diddle,
a jig that would wake the dead:
He squeaked and sawed and quickened the tune,
While the landlord shook the Man in the Moon:
'It's after three!' he said.

They rolled the Man slowly up the hill
and bundled him into the Moon,
While his horses galloped up in rear,
And the cow came capering like a deer,
and a dish ran up with the spoon.

Now quicker the fiddle went deedle-dum-diddle;
the dog began to roar,
The cow and the horses stood on their heads;
The guests all bounded from their beds
and danced upon the floor.

With a ping and a pang the fiddle-strings broke!
the cow jumped over the Moon,
And the little dog laughed to see such fun,
And the Saturday dish went off at a run
with the silver Sunday spoon.

The round Moon rolled behind the hill,
as the Sun raised up her head.
She* hardly believed her fiery eyes;
For though it was day, to her surprise
they all went back to bed!
© J R R Tolkien. All rights reserved


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: Hokumsheik
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:22 AM

well thank you very much !
that was fast.............


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Subject: RE: Nursery Rhyme - The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon..
From: GUEST,franc 91
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 06:16 PM

'Running away with the chocolate biscuits' was entirely invented and made up by Michael Rosen. I think I'd better say that now before it becomes traditional - in about five minute's time.


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