SunCube Fiasco

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 03:19 AM

Hi all,


To this very day Watson still maintains his claims of solar farms and rooftop designs, with no real and material evidence to back his claims except "mock ups" of the apparent SunCube.

He has made many claims that have not happened along with many timelines that have passed.He and GGE have made the claims and made them public, notwithsatnding any claims of privacy and IP protection,as there is no IP to protect.

The solarfarm scale of 3x3 suncubes would fail even if it were real.
New and real CPV is coming which has real solar farm trackers which are large.

There are several other organisations in Australia from Qld that with NSW are looking at importing such CPV technology very soon.




H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 08:26 PM

Well...have a look at what the "investors" get for their money
Sundog!

That is a VERY appropriate mascot.
The suncube IS a dog!

Pity about the investors though. They can't sell suncubes (much too secret).
What they have to do instead is find enough mugs to put up another few billion dollars to build the lunatic solar farms which will of course need to be guarded round the clock in case anyone steals the secrets!!!

I think it's Greg that has had too much sunshine.
He's gone troppo!!!

"never give a sucker an even break" W. C. Fields.

"Give me all your money" Greg Watson

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 08:32 PM

Er Hlper...he won't find any lessor (or even lesser) humans here!
Mudcatters are way nicer and smarter than most.

Anyhow, back to Keef's tireless crusade against Greg The Scammer.
Here is a snippet of his latest words of wisdom
(from a contributor)
Hi Greg,

One thing that might help you in the future in your efforts to put a
Suncube solar farm in a remote part of South Australia is the fact that
potentially vast amounts of geothermal energy are also in this part of
South Australia also which will need power lines to get its output to where
it is needed. But then the potential geothermal energy will probably dwarf
what can be generated by solar energy and the geothermal energy will be
available non-stop. But the potential geothermal energy is going to take a
while to be exploited. I predictably haven't noticed any effort by John
Howard to do anything about this.
..................................
And here is how Greg spins this his way
.................................
Posted by: "Greg Watson" [e-mail]   greenandgoldenergy
Tue Jul 3, 2007 5:34 pm (PST)
Hi Bill,

There are 120,000 TWs of energy available from the sun on the surface of the
planet. We humans currently use 13 TWs or 0.01% of what is available. Sorry
mate but solar totally stomps on geothermal availability (you are reading
too may of their investment IMs) and we can deliver at a fraction of the
cost that they can and we can build plants just about anywhere there is good
sun. Which are a LOT more places than there are hot rocks, which cool down
over time.
...........................................

That is of course..utter crap
The source of heat within the hot rocks is actually very low level radioactive decay in the granite rocks. The heat source is virtualy inexhaustible. The main obstacle is provision of a high power transmission line to the source.

However Greg still thinks his "Noddy in Toytown" Sunpubes plan is much
better.

As I always say....
What an idiot!
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 10:14 AM

"why matter in our universe wants to move by itself"

You've got that back-asswards - once moving, it doesn't want to stop, unless energy external to itlsef is apppled and absorbed.

Regarding installation of PV units on roofs of shopping centres, as described - such activities are for real in some parts of the world.


"ones relative position being Earth/Space"

I have no clue what you are talking about, and I suspect you don't either...

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 03:51 AM

Hi,


RE: Energy flux density

Interesting and I would tend to agree however remember ones relative position being Earth/Space and your terms of reference were sunlight and starlight.

More intersting would be to determine why matter in our universe wants to move by itself, versus being moved for a long time by the unusual universal forces in space. ?



H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 02:49 AM

Hi all,



Watson has moved into the Yahoo SunGrid Group like a parasite in search of lessor humans(sorry but they are dumb).

Thw Watson Parasite does great harm to the solar industry in Australia whilst lessor humans entertain such a parasite.


H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 07:36 PM

Quote from Greg
Hi Andy,

The SunBall's electronics needs VERY little power to operate. Even street
light and moon light will drive the electronics. The drive motors need some
light to move the SunBall. On a clear morning there is more than enough
power even 30 minutes before dawn. The motors only need a fraction of a watt
to drive the SunBall so if there is light the SunBall can move.

I don't think we'll be seeing Greg back here...he prefers groups with a lower collective intelligence.
That is why he did so well with his OverUnity tosh...those groups mainly attract the tinfoil hat brigade.
The solar scam was a good plan also...lots of good folks really do want to do something good to save energy and if you don't have a technical background it is easy to fall for the hype.

The way the law works in Australia it is quite possible he can carry on like this for a while longer.
Immoral....yes
Unethical....yes
SLEAZY....yes
but illegal?....possibly not

Here is a classic bullshit from his own sunball forum (now closed)

Hi All,

Green and Gold Energy (GGE) have signed a Letter of Intent with the owners
of the Modbury Triangle Shopping Centre (MTSC), Modbury, South Australia,
Australia to install at least 750kW peak, 2GWH annually of SunBalls.

This will, to our knowledge, make the MTSC, the first solar powered shopping
centre in Australia.

This will be enough SunBalls to effectively take the MTSC off the grid and
have a significant effect on the local distribution companies (ETSA) peak
network demand. The long term cost of the SunBall generated kWh is
significantly below the lowest peak price the directors of the MTSC could
obtain from local electricity retailers and will represent a significant
saving on electricity expenditure.

GGE and the MTSC directors will also investigate the avoided network cost
advantaged available to ETSA due to a lowered peak hot summer afternoon
network demand.

The directors of the MTSC will investigate installing a SunBall viewing and
data information facility so interested shoppers can view how the
electricity that is powering the MTSC and the lights above their heads is
being beamed from the sun, captured and converted into electricity that very
second.

Installation is expected to occur in the 3 qtr of 2006 and will be done via
GGE retail partner Gene Solar Electric P/L with the cooperation and
involvement of other local Adelaide solar dealers.

Additional commercial buildings controlled by the owners and adjacent to the
MTSC may also be converted to SunBall power potentially taking the total
group installation to about 1.3MW.

More details of this exciting and Australian first project are available in
the news section of the GGE web site.

All the best,
Greg Watson
Green and Gold Energy
Adelaide, South Australia
[phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
Online SunBall discussion group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sunball


Hi JR & Rick (copy sent to SunBall group),

From my research electricity costs (inc tax) in New Mexico about $0.09 /
kWh. As a 4 SunBall system would generate about 3,050kWh annually in New
Mexico that is an annual saving of say $275. Then in add in the New Mexico
Renewable Energy Certificates (Green Tags?) which are geared up 3 to 1 per
solar kWh (in New Mexico) or about $60/MWh based on a Green Tag price of
$20/MWh. This generates an additional annual income of about $185 giving us
an annual income / expenditure reduction of:

$275 - Reduced electricity bill
$185 - Green Tag sales income
-----
$460 annual advantage.

Then if we achieve our target $5,250 for a 4 SunBall installed system you
would get a payback period of 11.4 years without any rebates. Of course any
rebates and/or increased electricity costs would further lower the payback
period.

If your electricity suppliers offers net metering and a Time of Use tariff
with a peak period which matches the SunBall generation profile, you will
further benefit as you can sell SunBall generated kWhs during higher prices
peak periods and buy back much lower priced kWhs during shoulder and off
peak periods.

All the best,
Greg Watson
Green and Gold Energy
Adelaide, South Australia
[phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
Hi Andy and all the other past and future demo site responders,

I have noted your responses and when the time gets closer I will get in
contact with out.

What I will arrange to install is a single SunBall with a wireless
monitoring electronics package (no AC grid connect) which will link back to
our web site with a 5 minute live updated data feed and sky point picture.

All demo sites will be offered a 4 SunBall AC grid connect system for 25%
off normal retail in return for the use of their home / business. This offer
can be taken up anytime in the 12 months following the official US SunBall
launch. The demo / monitoring SunBall will then be converted into AC grid
connect (one of the 4 units on offer) with the wireless monitoring
capability retained for the life of the SunBall.

Basically you will get the monitoring SunBall unit for nothing provided you
agree to the continual monitoring.

All the best,
Greg Watson
Green and Gold Energy
Adelaide, South Australia
[phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
Online SunBall discussion group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sunball

Did it ever happen?
No .....of course not!!!!!

Sigh

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 01:24 AM

energy flux density of starlight Vs Sunlight seems to suggest approx 4 orders of magnitude, it seems to me - that's about 10,000 relative times... or have I made an error somewhere - this is on this page

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 07:39 PM

Hi Greg
I'm here to help you, really I am.
How about you save the cost of the 24/7 security guards (lethal force mandatory) and simply take out a patent on your amazing breakthrough technology.
I am prepared to invest my life savings in your marvelous solar farm.
Just to satisfy my accountant's curiosity...could you please provide costing details again of your "below fossil generated Kwhs".
Please include the development cost of the proposed Megawatt static inverter as I am unable to find any of those on Ebay.
Please explain again why your "Toytown Style" solar farm is superior to other well funded and proven solar technologies and in particular solar thermal. The solar thermal plants of course are able to store the heat generated, meaning that they can generate power at night and do not require your amazing "cloud predictive technology"
Hope you are well and not working too hard at saving the planet all by yourself.
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 09:41 AM

Ok - we have a lot of physicists on this list - what is the energy flux density of starlight Vs Sunlight? How many orders of magnitude?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 08:48 AM

Hi,


I cracked a rib last night laughing my ass off.





H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 08:06 AM

But wait...there's more...
I can hardly believe my eyes........
Please...stop it Greg....my ribs are hurting!!!


>> To tell you the truth our first 100 MWs or so of SunCubes will be
> installed in solar farms with high security fencing and 24 / 7
> security guards. So even then there will be no units available for
> public viewing.
>>
>> Do you realize what a solar technology that can generate kWhs at
> fossil fuel prices is worth (Trillions of $$) and how many will do
> anything to steal the IP. Not one 3J CPV manufacturer sells units to
> the public. Guess why? Well maybe one (Practical Instruments) but
> what they have is nothing special and their $ / kWh are still well
> above fossil wholesale.
>>
>> So my refusal to go public is just solid business practice
> designed to protect GGE IP against those who have sworn to steal it
> and put GGE out of business.
>>
>> Soon you will be able to buy SunCubes in our solar farms well
> before you can get them on your roof. BTW once our solar farms are
> up and running we will lobby governments worldwide to discontinue
> their rebate and feed-in tariff programs as they are they a waste of
> tax payer money. Sure this will destroy the flat panel industry but
> they have lived on tax payer handouts for far too long.
>>
>> Greg
>>

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 07:51 AM

The man is a GENIUS...just look at what else he has invented!
Wait for it....A ROTARY OVERUNITY DEVICE
Well I guess a 100% efficient starlight powered Suncube would be a walk in the park after that!


Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:15:26 +0930
From: Greg Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [e-mail], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Simple Rotary Ou Device

Hi All,

Just a short note to try to answer those questions I can.


1) There is NO outside power source.

2) The device contains only ceramic magnet and
ferromagnetic materials (some balsa, a few
bearings and some plactic "U" channel as well).

3) The device produces rotary torque. Can be
stopped with very little pressure from two
fingers on a steel 4mm shaft.

4) The device has been moved to the middle of
my lounge and my back garden. It still works.

5) The device will not auto start. However the
energy necessary to start is only that required
to overcome friction.

6) I don't think the device is worthy of a Nobel
or my picture on Business Week. I know of several
other devices (Finstrud, Gary, Kawai,Bob Shannon's
Barkenhausen Effect Battery and many US patents)
which show magnetic devices can do work. For
some strange reason, we seem to "Not want to
believe" or maybe just want to believe in our
own area of research as the "One true path".

7) I have posted enough details and ideas for
those of you who REALLY want to duplicate the
device to do so. Read my postings.

8) Much work still remains to be able to light
a 1 watt bulb. When I can do that, I will make
available through Stephan's and Bill's OU web
sites a Mpeg of the device working. If I can't
light a bulb, it will still make a nice toy and
maybe a starting place for someone else.

9) The magnets don't appear to be getting weaker
or colder, but then I am not generating much
power yet.

10) I still call the effect DNMEC (Direct Nuclear
Magnetic Energy Conversion). Like my flux gate
DNMEC effect, both these effects revolve around
ferromagnetic and magnet interactions. I believe
the Kawai motor is another variation of the DNMEC
effect (like the Rod & Coil we discussed earlier).

Come on guys (and gals), start thinking outside
of the square. There is always more than one way
to crack eggs.

Stop talking .............. BUILD SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!

--
Best Regards    Greg Watson Consulting    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greg Watson    Adelaide, S. Australia    61 8 8270 2737 Home/Office/Fax

Crack Eggs?
I think it's his brain that's cracked....will the fun never end!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 03:58 AM

Hi Greg,



I must agree with Keef that you have lost your marbles.

(Probably in his own SMOT device)-




H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 03:17 AM

Oh Golly

Just found another cracker from Pinoccio.

Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:51:27 +0930
From: Greg Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [e-mail], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Simple Ou Device Offline

Hi All,

Sorry to say, but my patent attorney has pulled the plug.

By the way, I closed the loop late last night!
It is sort of ramp based. Not much power yet.
It has been running (self powered) for 12 hours
now. Must close now.

I will post again as soon as posible.

To all thouse of you who have built ramps, all I
can say is get three linked ramps working and
then study the second (middle) ramp. Think outside
the square.

--
Best Regards    Greg Watson Consulting    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greg Watson    Adelaide, S. Australia    61 8 8270 2737 Home/Office/Fax


HE STILL CAN'T SPELL ENGINEER...BUT HE SAYS HE ARE ONE!

Running for 12 hours...I'd LOVE to see that!

Greg, you are a lying deluded MORON

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 02:54 AM

Re Greg's previous form "Free energy etc"
Here is his latest horseshit off the sungrid forum.
perpetual motion lies and horseshit

First he claims to have achieved "overunity"- pseudoscience
Then he proclaims himself as a "naturopath (unqualified)-pseudomedicine
Watson's Pseudo Medicine (snake oil?) guff

Then..he tops it all with his Sunball/Suncube I will save the planet bullshit??
Hey Greg...have you got any Harbour Bridges to sell?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 05:41 PM

SMOT was a scam which Greg has never apologised for and he still claims that it works and is "overunity"
Suncubes have never been proven to work at all, and the power output claims cannot be substantiated.
Suncubes could never be mounted on roofs, appearance would be hideous, roof would require major reinforcement.
Offer of suncubes for sale at $1500 drew in 4000 expressions of interest
but are still unavailable.
Solar farm idea is ridiculous.
Proposed location of solar farms at Roxby Downs in order to supply cheap electricity for the Olympic Dam uranium mine is very offensive to greenies like myself.
Proposed 200 Megawatt solar farms in all states of Australia would require astronomical production capacity.
(660,000 suncubes required for each farm!)
SMOT was a scam
Suncube smells like a scam
Suncube solar farms are HORSESHIT!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 08:21 AM

Hi Gregory,



O'I completely forgot to mention that a person cannot register a

business name that clashes with a registered TRADE MARK, as like

the SunCube. YOU always stated that the SunCube was trade marked " TM ".

------------------------ stone cold -------------------------------

OOps looks like you falsely claimed a TM trade mark as well- +6months



H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 08:09 AM

Hi Gregory,


I checked all that out as you mentioned.

The science you did not do along with any research.Papers were released years ago by dedicated researchers about passive cooling of CPV systems involving multi-junction solar cells.

I would say you copied from others as like Solar Tec AG from Germany they started before you did in 2005 and I am sure there are others.Solar Tec AG hold over 100 IP rights already.Solar Tec AG has a SunCube look alike system so take it up with them !

Solar Tec AG of Germany by example again developed their 3j cells over many years, and naturally they knew how they would be used.
So Solar Tec AG and others with many years behind them are the true developers not you.You think others didn't know but they did, you said simply you had a design but you never delivered and your time is up.


h.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 05:06 AM

Hi Keef,

Photos of both axis Mark 4 and Mark 6 motors are now available in the SunGrid photos section so you can see how the 2 axis drive works.

You should know about the company you keep and their intention in these places. I do assume you are not a party to his attempts to rip me off.

Checkout this business registration
http://www.abr.business.gov.au/(accirtfhxmmpb145azq0ki55)/search.aspx?StartSearch=True&SearchText=27075413759

Anybody know who this is?

Hey here he is:
http://www.hydrogen.asn.au/Australian-Solar-Energy.htm

This is the same guy who begged me to award him the NSW license for the SunCube, ripped off what I gave him under NDA and has emailed me boasting of his plans to put me out of business. Now it is clear he intends to rip off what ever CPV knowledge that he can, including what he learns in this place, make his SunCube clone and trade under the SunCube name.

BTW I never asked him for a cent until he visited GGE in Adelaide and was satisfied that the SunCube did what we claimed. He never visited despite several invitations. He had the opportunity to see for himself firsthand, but decided for what ever reason not to do that and literally overnight started attacking me on every forum he could get access to.

He has even created his own Yahoo forum with one member, him.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunBox/

Recognize the handles sunut07, ineedthemula, svzmrhydrogen, etc. All the same guy.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 12:58 AM

Hi Keef,

The Azimuth (left - right) motor is mounted in the base. The altitude (up / down) motor is mounted inside the SunCube. The motors drive for 1 - 2 seconds every 8 minutes. They draw less than 1 watt when running and are powered by the 300 W output of the SunCube.

Lots of never before released SunCube photos on the SunGrid site:
http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunGrid/photos/browse/7182

As for SunCube sales how do you know for a FACT that there have been no sales? You don't work for GGE and your information is incorrect.

Since when do you know anything about building solar farms? Please indicate where you knowledge of building solar farms comes from?

As for being investigated for fraud, what a load of BS. I don't know who you guys are working for in trying to discredit me and the SunCube but it is not working.

I tell you what. Got the balls to tell me who you are so I can sue you in court. We will then let the judge decide your guilt or innocence of libel and slander. I loose and you get rich or I win and you get poor, very poor.

Enjoy your time in fantasy land cause when our legal folks (Minter Ellison) find out who you are, the summons will be presented and I will have my day in court.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:27 PM

Hi all,

Did somebody say Greg Watson of SMOT device(1985).He is still going.

Greg Watson is a fraudster being investigated by the Attorney General's Department of South Australia.

Beware of this moron.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 08:22 PM

What a shame...he has taken down the embarrassing photograph of the lovely MK4 suncube. That is because anyone with a basic knowledge of mechanical or electronic engineering could see that it does not work.
It required a bank of lantern batteries to drive the rotation motor, it had no mechanism for the horizontal axis. It had no output cable to take away the "massive" electrical power output.
Greg...your use of Weasel words
such as Solar Harvest Efficiency and Cloud Predictive Technology
Is just pure bullshit.
Fact..not a single working Suncube has been sold
(Greg does not even have one on his own roof preferring to buy Green Power..giggle)
The proposed Suncube solar farm is wildly impractical.
The costings which Greg had up on his website allowed $600 per Suncube
Nothing at all for the cost of the "Megawatt static inverter"
Nothing at all for transport,installation, maintenance.

I very much doubt if he will come back to dispute any of this.
He must be running short on bullshit.
Well I'm pretty sure that is CHECKMATE
So how about you hand back what's left of the money and go get yourself a real job.
(I'm tempted to use that word which likens someone to the fundamental orifice, but I won't)

La La La La La

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:06 PM

Yep, I've run several business.

I don't think you have a business, I think you have a scam.
Step 1 Claim to have a working high performance Suncube (fake results)
Step 2 Sell licences to produce roofmounted suncubes
Step 3 since unable to deliver the working design, switch to a mythical    solar farm scheme
Step 4 sell shares in the proposed (mythical) solar farm
Step 5 enjoy the proceeds.

Greg your previous form is well documented on the net.
You may have taken down the evidence of lying on your own forum but you cannot erase the evidence from the other forums that you have bullshitted on.

Anyhow, any comment on the dodgy looking MK4
It doesn't look as though it has a horizontal tilt servo at all.

It is no wonder that your licensees support the solar farms.
They have no other hope of recouping their investment.

Now who is digging a hole for himself Greg?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:45 AM

You just can't leave it alone can you mate? Sucking for information are we? Bored with nothing to do?

Ever run a business Keef? Licenses fees in any business are income from which you deduct costs and what remains is either profit or loss. As for GGE sales being zero, that is an amazing statement to make seeing you do not work for GGE and make it from a knowledge base of zero.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 11:41 PM

Well he must be having a lie in today!
(lie in...get it?)
Anyway I've got another little question for you Greg

"BTW all GGE staff own a slice of the profit GGE makes. And they didn't pay a cent for the profit share, I gave it to them for their dedication and hard work.

Greg"

So where does the profit come from Greg
To date you have not sold one Suncube nor built one solar farm.
If you regard the license fees paid by the various partners as being profit then it is probably a good thing that you are not a company or corporation. If you were, then you would probably be guilty of trading whilst insolvent.

Dream dream dream
La La La La La
Keef
(Big hug and kisses)

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 07:33 PM

Good Morning Greg
I can't spend all day here so just one little question for you today.
In the lovely photograph of your Suncube MK4
Suncube Mk 4

What is the purpose of the pack of lantern batteries at the base of your Suncube. Is it not supposed to work off streetlights or starlight as you have claimed?
If that is a WORKING suncube then it should have some output cables.
Driving a light globe would be nice.
A wattmeter would be nicer.

Keef
(a skeptic and proud of it)

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:39 AM

It does work as claimed. You may soon have that purchase opportunity as we are walking with businesses who are interested in the domestic rooftop market. This will let GGE focus on building very large scale SunCube based solar farms. GGE can then feed the retail distributors SunCubes from the larger solar farm focused SunCube production capability that we are building in Adelaide and elsewhere.

BTW the long term output degradation cell warranty provided by Emcore is the same as what you get from a name brand flattie manufacturer. Max 1% loss per year for 25 years.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:50 AM

I'm Bored now.
Make up your own mind folks.

I'd still buy one IF it did what Greg claimed.

I'd just want a solid warranty, from a solid company to go with it.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:39 AM

Hi Keef,

I suggest you look up the term investor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor

"An investor is any party that makes an investment.

However, the term has taken on a specific meaning in finance to describe the particular types of people and companies that regularly purchase equity or debt securities for financial gain in exchange for funding an expanding company. Less frequently the term is applied to parties who purchase real estate, currency, commodity derivatives, personal property, or other assets.

The term implies that a party purchases and holds assets in hopes of achieving capital gain, not as a profession or for short-term income."

As for the Joe Cell incident I suggested to them that if they could not prove their claims, which were well beyond science, of running a car on basically nothing and charging for kits, doing conversions for money, selling books and selling interviews with Joe that they might find themselves in a class action initiated by those that they and others had ripped off. I did not say I would be party to the action nor did I say I would initiate it, so please don't put words in my mouth and try to quote me correctly.

Greg,
who like you runs his business and home from 100% solar energy that I buy from the retail electricity market.

Hey hands up for a quick straw poll.

1)Who buy 100% solar kWhs?
2)Who is really dedicated to reducing CO2 emissions?
3)Who just wants to reduce their electricity bill?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:57 AM

Quote 1

"As for investors, lets get this VERY clear. At this point in time there are NONE. It is my money on the table and at risk. If you think a banker will invest several hundred million to finance a 200 MW solar farm without being very sure about the business and the technology well I would like to know the banker."

Quote 2

"there are NO investors (people who have bought shares) in GGE. So you can drop the spin doctoring."

Who is the spin doctor Greg?

ANYONE who has paid you money is an investor. There are obviously no shareholders since you are NOT a publicly listed company.

I am running on very limited solar power here, so I may not be back till tomorrow.

I look forward to continuing this stimulating conversation!

BTW Didn't you threaten a class action against the JoeCell man
because he couldn't or wouldn't prove his device was real?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 01:16 AM

Hi Keef,

Forgot to add, there are NO investors (people who have bought shares) in GGE. So you can drop the spin doctoring.

You do understand the difference between shareholding equity investors (of which there are none), those who pay license fees, those who place orders and those who finance / purchase completed SunCube solar farms?

BTW all GGE staff own a slice of the profit GGE makes. And they didn't pay a cent for the profit share, I gave it to them for their dedication and hard work.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 01:11 AM

If you wish to form a JV to build solar farms, sign our NDA and visit us in Adelaide, they I will show you a SunCube and let you test it. Only when you are happy with what you are buying will I ask you for money.

Sound fair to you?

As for showing the world a SunCube and exposing it to being ripped off, sorry but I'm not interested.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 11:49 PM

Dream on Greg
When you can show us a REAL product and submit it for REAL testing
then I'll stop expressing my very reasonable doubts.
BTW
why don't you make the sunball archives available again so that we can once more read the false claims of yours, and the many unanswered questions from all the other skeptics, which you refused to answer.
If your inventions are so successful and original...why don't you have any patents.
After all, you did patent the SMOT didn't you, and that one certainly didn't work.
Ditto the Irishman (Steorn?) who claimed to have invented a magnetic perpetual motion device. Wouldn't show anyone how it worked but WOULD accept investors money.
Sound similar Greg?

For the rest of the mudcatters who are perhaps not following this story as passionately as Greg and I
Check out the latest exchanges on the sungrid forum
Sungrid
Have a great day
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 08:54 PM

Keef, the only here unreality is what you seek to spin. GGE is a real business. The SunCube is real. Emcore is real. ES System is real. The other GGE licensees are real. That GGE is working with others to build very large SunCube solar farms is real.

Maybe I should ask how we build the future it is not by dreams. Dreams that turn into sweat, tears and finally reality. Sure I dream. Of a world where electricity is generated from the Sun with no pollution. At a cost equivalent to what we pay for fossil fuel kWhs. So our economies don't suffer.

AND I work, every day, 12 - 16 hours a day, making one small step at a time until I get.

May I ask what you dream and work to achieve?

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 06:50 PM

Whoopee dooh Greg
So where is the WORKING Suncube that delivers the 711KWhours a year as claimed.
How about even a photograph of a real one.
My balls are much larger than yours...I've seen the photographs on Sungrid..nice outfit BTW.
Yes I do work for the Nuclear industry...I'm the reactor operator....free donuts mmmmmmm.
You may have managed to bullshit Emcore but how about some of your other claims?
Factories in India, China, Korea, Spain etc
Modbury shopping centre powered by Sun balls,
1200sqM manufacturing plant
660,0000 Suncubes in the desert.....
Dream on Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 12:11 AM

Hi Keef,

Here is the signed letter given to GGE by Emcore:

http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/Documents/EmcoreGGE.pdf

Like I said if you think it is false call Emcore and report back here what he tells you. Got the balls mate?

But I suggest you are not interested in the truth and have some other reason to try to discredit the first solar generator that can deliver kWhs at fossil fuel price. Work for the fossil fuel / nuclear industry do we Keef?

By the way what is you real name or do you like to hide and attack from behind some internet mask? Our legal team are eager to get in touch with you.

Greg Watson
CEO
Green and Gold Energy

Who is passing all your comments onto our legal team, so please keep talking and digging a bigger hole for yourself.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 06:51 PM

Foolestroupe.....He has taken down the Sunball forum because it contains the record of several years worth of false claims, missed deadlines and questions ignored.
You can go to
sungrid
which is an alternative group for frustrated Suncube enthusiasts
Best to start at the beginning of posts...it's a ripping yarn!

Now a word to Greg
Greg...why do you call yourself CEO
CEO of what?

Now to the Korean partner crapola

Press Release
21 March 2007
It is with pride that South Australian renewable energy company Green and Gold Energy (GGE)
announces the first contract for our advanced technology SunCube Solar Appliance ultra high efficiency
solar cell assembly.
ES System Co., Ltd. of Korea (ESS), already a GGE SunCube Solar Appliance manufacturing license
holder, has entered a agreement to purchase at least 500 MWs of the GGE designed and developed
SunCube Solar Appliance ultra high efficiency solar cell assembly. The ultra high efficiency cell
assembles will be delivered over the 10 years of their exclusive Korean manufacturing and distribution
license agreement.
GGE has been working on the design and development of the SunCube Solar Appliance for the many
years. Additionally GGE will expand its Adelaide SunCube manufacturing facility to 30 MW per year
service the Australian market. This will include the construction of GGE owned and operated solar farms
which can be built to provide very significant daytime base load capacity to reduce the need for either
new fossil fuel or nuclear base load power stations. SunCube solar farms can be built much quicker than
either "Clean Coal" or nuclear facilities and at a lower cost.
The SunCube Solar Appliance is a powerful tool that cost effectively fights Climate Change by lowering
CO2 emissions from power stations, lowering electricity costs and providing an alternative to costly
investment in peak electricity infrastructure.
Finally there is a tool to fight Climate Change and reduce CO2 emissions while reducing costs to home
owners and industry and creating jobs.
The SunCube Solar Appliance is the first solar PV technology that can deliver kWhs from the home or
business rooftop at less cost than if the kWhs were bought from the grid without needing tax payer funded
rebates to achieve this below grid cost.
Additionally as the SunCube Solar Appliance tracks the sun and feeds power back into the grid, it can,
unlike flat plate technology, contribute very significantly to reducing the peak loading that occurs on the
electricity grid during hot summer afternoons.

Blah Blah dodgy email address etc etc.

So...here is the email reply from Mr Park


Hi,



This is a recent reply from Mr James Park


"
Who are you ?
I am doing very well and I know what I invested and what I ordered
from him.If there are something wrong or if Mr. Watson cheated you.
Show me the evidence or
Please stop sending me this kind of email.
"



.......................................................

So either Mr Park is genuine...and therefore he HAS invested money in this scam..whoops business venture
OR
The Korean partner letter is another fraud.

So Greg...get used to it...I will follow you all over the net and warn everyone to keep their money safely in their pocket.
Of course if you can produce a working Suncube and prove that it does all the things you claim for it, then I will have to eat my hat (yech!)

Some more free advice Greg...pack a toothbrush
And a tube of KY jelly.
You're going to need it where you're going

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 09:48 AM

I have now left the related Yahoo groups list - I prefer to read the messages on the web sites normally, being on so many hundreds of lists, I don't want to get swamped with emails, preferring to only read stuff on a list when I want to...

Now all the archived history mails have been refused access to normal members, the only way you can read any messages is by email.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 07:20 AM

Check his previous form

smot scam

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,RossW
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 06:36 AM

Greg.... some ripoff distributor does not appeal.

Some lowlife who will no doubt ONLY want to sell it as part of a $40K package, and charge me a million bucks to travel to my site to install it is of no interest to me.

If you'd been upfront with me I wouldn't be so pissed at you. At the moment, I feel quite betrayed, that you knowingly and willingly lied to me, misrepresented the product, yourself and your companies intentions.

Not taking my calls, not returning my emails, not living up to your promise all make you a pretty darn shabby operator.

Amazing you can reply to an anonymous posting in an obscure blog in a matter of hours, but can't return any one of 6 or so phone calls, can't reply to any of I don't know HOW many emails over 2 years.....

How about just living up to your *PERSONAL UNDERTAKING* to me over a year ago, and selling me two of the darn things. I don't want the inverters. I don't need installation. I don't want much of anything really.... except to burn a whole lot LESS propane than I currently am.

Like I said, palm off your old prototypes on me. The ones where the fancy paint didn't work. I don't much mind - but I *DO* want to stop burning gas to make electricity when I can use an environmentally friendly solution.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 05:54 AM

Yeah right
Not signed, full of typos, and in a different font to the official Emcore letterhead.

la la la la la!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 04:30 AM

Ross,

As per the web site GGE are not engaging in retail sales. We build solar farms. We are however discussing retail distribution with several interested parties.

Keff,

As for the letter, it is very real. It was pulled from the web site at Emcore's request due to the typos and the fact that David Danzilio had not signed it.

Did you actually call David or get an email reply from him? If so what did he say? If not, please do call / email David and report back here what he says to you.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,RossW
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 02:02 AM

Very funny, guys.

I've spoken to the (infamous) greg several times. He's promised the earth, assured me that not withstanding his (recent) backflip and desire to "only" do this central station thing. I explained to him in great detail that I am unable to connect to the grid, have PV and wind power at the moment (plus the primary source - the genset) and he was all committed to let me get a couple of units. Discussed mounting them etc (I live underground, so no problems with a concrete pipe to put them on!).

Waited the 4 weeks he wanted, and then started calling him every few days. Suddenly "he" isn't there, or is in meetings, and his underlings are unable or unwilling to help. Keep referring to greg and saying he says he simply is NOT providing them, PERIOD except into this farm.

Greg, if you're getting these messages, understand you are doing yourself a GREAT INJUSTICE. We're telling everyone we know what a shonky conjob this is, and they're abandoning their previous intention to buy...

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 11:11 PM

Sunball on ABC New Inventors TV Show

SLIVER solar technology & Suncube mentions

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 06:45 PM

Sorry to keep going on about this...BUT...I just stumbled across this press release by Pinoccio...
more lies

Here is a quote from the article
"The development of the project was strengthened by securing $100,000 from a private investor, which helped us commercialise the SunCube," said Greg, who previously worked as an energy consultant to the power industry"

Now for a real giggle, have a look at the photo of the supposed production model Suncube.
Applying simple geometry imagine how this wood look on a pitched roof.
Leaving aside the optional "Black and Decker Workmate"
you would need to mount the Suncube on a pole at least 500mm high to allow the device to tilt and rotate.
And yet Greg claims much improved appearance over "flatties"
Notice also the remarkable "cordless design"
In all of the photographs that Greg has released of the Sunballs and SunPubes there is not a single one that has any output wires.

HOOLEY BLOODY DOOLEY

Can he tell porkies or what?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 06:51 PM

Previous form of Mr CEO Watson

Here is a quote from an aggrieved purchaser of his "overunity device"

I'm (almost entirely) convinced that
he thinks SMOT could eventually work... so he takes the expedient of
telling us that SMOT has already succeeded. But if true, this is enormous
news, and we should all stop what we're doing and look at his videos and
photos, question his eyewitnesses on the phone, ask for new videos of
particular details of the machine in operation, even perhaps call in the
press, pay for him to get a better camera and software, hire a local
vortex staff member as an eyewitness and alternate opinion besides Greg,
install web-connected instrumentation to observe the amazing event, etc.

None of this can happen because there isn't even a single photo of the
successful device, much less a video, much less a second person of whom we
can ask questions. That's just so incredibly weird, it's unbelievable.
Many other aspects are just as weird and inexplicable. But everything is
completely explained by one simple method: if we imagine that Greg lied
when he claimed success, then it all makes perfect sense, and all of his
future actions are totally predictable.



A person who is not after money can still be a con artist. If they
create a web of lies, yet act friendly while lying right to your face...
then they're winning your confidence and using it to manipulate you.
There's no monetary ripoff, yet that's the very definition of "confidence
trickster" or "con game."   If the SMOT can never work, then it's a very
slimy ploy which wastes the time of hundreds of people and only because
they all were lied to.

The Suncube deception is in the same category.
It is even more disgraceful because of the hypocrisy involved...just trying to save the planet etc etc.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 08:24 PM

"As for investors, lets get this VERY clear. At this point in time there are NONE. It is my money on the table and at risk. If you think a banker will invest several hundred million to finance a 200 MW solar farm without being very sure about the business and the technology well I would like to know the banker."

But Greg
What about the factories in Korea, India, etc etc
And who exactly WILL pay for the sunpube solar farms.
You are of course correct...the banks will not give you the money


What a tangled web we weave!

What a bloody idiot!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 08:15 PM

Keef's Suncube Demolition Job

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 07:57 PM

Well I finally got the attention of Greg Watson CEO Green and Gold Energy etc. (sounds pretty impressive but it is not a registered company just a small trader).
Interesting thing is I did send Emcore a copy of the famous Danzillio letter because it looked very dodgy.
The letter was taken down from The Green and Gold website within 24 hours.
Not to worry
Here is the text

EMCORE PhotoVoltaics David Danzilio
Vice President
General Manager
10420 Research Rd. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87122
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Web: www.emcore.com
June 12, 2007
To Whom It May Concern:
EMCORE Photovoltaics Division has entered into a strategic supply agreement with Green and
Gold Energy of Adelaide, Australia to the uninterrupted supply of multi-junction solar cells
designed for use in the Green and Gold Sun Cube solar power system. As the largest
manufacturer if multi-junction solar cells to the concentrating PV industry, EMCORE is given
the opportunity to assess the various CPV system approaches being developed worldwide and it
is my assessment that the design of GGE Sun Cube represents a true market advantage in terms
of manufacturing cost, performance and ultimately cost of power delivered to the grid. It is my
opinion that the Green and Gold Sun Cube is in the best position in the CPV industry to enable
large scale (10-50MW) solar farms. To that end, EMCORE has entered into a multi-year
strategic supply agreement and has initiated the capital investment necessary to ensure present
and future solar cell delivery commitments to Green and Gold Energy.
I look forward to a long and rewarding business relationship with Green and Gold Energy.
Sincerely,
David Danzilio
Vice President and General Manager
EMCORE Photovoltaics
10420 Research Road
Albuquerque, NM 87123
Phone: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]


Now judge for yourselves folks
Does the vice president of a multi million dollar corporation have a secretary that has bad grammar and poor typing skills.
Does a major corporation send out To Whom It May Concern letters!
Is Greg a pathological liar?
You be the judge.
For more information go to
Pinoccio on steroids