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Lyr Req: Westerly Winds/Now Westlin Winds (Burns)

DigiTrad:
COMIN' THRO THE RYE
COMIN' THROUGH THE DYE
COMIN' THROUGH THE RYE
MY LOVE IS LIKE A RED, RED ROSE
NOW WESTLIN WINDS
SILVER TASSIE
THE GALLANT WEAVER


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Pete 27 Mar 99 - 08:33 AM
The Shambles 27 Mar 99 - 08:43 AM
Dan Calder 27 Mar 99 - 09:02 AM
Pete 27 Mar 99 - 09:06 AM
Susan A-R 27 Mar 99 - 10:41 PM
danl 22 Apr 99 - 02:28 PM
MMario 22 Apr 99 - 02:35 PM
Susan-Marie 22 Apr 99 - 04:31 PM
Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin 22 Apr 99 - 07:23 PM
Wolfgang 23 Apr 99 - 03:50 AM
danl 23 Apr 99 - 03:03 PM
Susan-Marie 05 Oct 04 - 05:48 PM
Jeri 05 Oct 04 - 06:18 PM
Malcolm Douglas 05 Oct 04 - 06:52 PM
Susan-Marie 06 Oct 04 - 07:51 AM
Brian Hoskin 06 Oct 04 - 07:55 AM
Susan-Marie 06 Oct 04 - 01:57 PM
GUEST,Ferg 30 Dec 09 - 03:31 PM
Tattie Bogle 30 Dec 09 - 04:01 PM
Joe_F 30 Dec 09 - 06:01 PM
Smokey. 30 Dec 09 - 07:14 PM
Tattie Bogle 30 Dec 09 - 07:29 PM
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Subject: Westerly Winds
From: Pete
Date: 27 Mar 99 - 08:33 AM

Looking for the words to Westerly Winds by Robert Burns or could be known as 'Ode to Autumn' Thanks Pete


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Subject: RE: Westerly Winds
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Mar 99 - 08:43 AM

It is in the good old DT NOW WESTLIN WINDS


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Subject: RE: Westerly Winds
From: Dan Calder
Date: 27 Mar 99 - 09:02 AM

Canadian folk singer Garnet Rogers has done a great version of this tune on his first CD entitled "Garnet Rogers". Well worth a listen. See his web site for ordering information. http://www.daddyo.com/SnowGoose/index.html

For anyone not familiar with Garnet, he is the brother of the late, great Stan Rogers. I've had the pleasure of seeing Garnet in concert several times, and have even been able to spend a little time talking to him. Fabulous performer, and a genuinely nice guy.

Enjoy,

Dan


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Subject: RE: Westerly Winds
From: Pete
Date: 27 Mar 99 - 09:06 AM

Thanks for your help Shambles, the words are right but there is another tune to this than the sample given on the data base. Does any one know the other tune for this song.

Pete


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Subject: RE: Westerly Winds
From: Susan A-R
Date: 27 Mar 99 - 10:41 PM

Believe that the actual poem title should be "Song Composed in August. just in case you wanted that trivia. Nice song!


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Subject: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: danl
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 02:28 PM

can anyone help me find a copy of the lyrics to this? from Dick Gaughan's 'Handfull of Earth' i think. thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: MMario
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 02:35 PM

I do believe you will find them

here

if the link doesn't work try this address:

http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4291

MMario


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Subject: RE: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: Susan-Marie
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 04:31 PM

And once you have the lyrics you need to decide which tune to use. Frank Harte uses one, Anam uses another, and the MIDI I have (I think it was from the DT) is different from either! I like Frank's.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 07:23 PM

Lyrics by one Robert Burns, in fact, so if all else fails, grab a book of his poems.

Shoh slaynt,

Bobby Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Apr 99 - 03:50 AM

Ivy,
you have the lyrics by now, but in case you are looking for more songs found on Dick Gauhan's records go to Dick Gaughan's song library which has a lot of lyrics (as he sings them) including 'Now westlin' winds'.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyrics needed for 'Now Westlin' Winds'
From: danl
Date: 23 Apr 99 - 03:03 PM

thanks one and all! i now see how easy all this could have been! why didnt i think of that before i wonder? maybe because all this is very new to me and a bit daunting, all this being the wonderful world wide web and in fact i must admit folk music too. being a young whippersnapper of a student with too much work and too little money i dont get much oppertunity to pick up anything much more than snippets of things that ive heard friends sing. i'll look forward to increasing my musical knowledge though this site though! thanks again,

ivy b.


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Subject: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Susan-Marie
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 05:48 PM

Being autumn and all, I'm having my band learn Now Westlin Winds by Bobbie Burns. But I just realized I know it to a tune completely different than the one in DT. I learned it from a recording someone made of Frank Harte singing on their porch. Does anyone else know this song to an alternate tune? DO Dick Gaughan and Susan McKeown sing it to the DT tune (I had a horse, I had nae mair) or a different one?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 06:18 PM

Gaughan sings a different tune than what's in the DT. I haven't heard Susan McKeown sing it.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 06:52 PM

Gaughan got it from Geordie Hamilton (Edinburgh) and said that Len Graham (Ulster) used a similar tune.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Susan-Marie
Date: 06 Oct 04 - 07:51 AM

There's a version of the song here
Is this the tune Gaughan uses?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Brian Hoskin
Date: 06 Oct 04 - 07:55 AM

Yes, that's the tune Dick Gaughan uses


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: ALT tune for Burns' Westlin Winds
From: Susan-Marie
Date: 06 Oct 04 - 01:57 PM

Thanks. Frank Harte used yet another tune - closer to Gaughan's tune than the one in the DT, but still very different. I found a version of it by Phil Callery & The Long Wave Band, and he says it's the tune of the air "Rattling Guns".

So, one song, three tunes (and counting!)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: GUEST,Ferg
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 03:31 PM

Wow - ten years later and I'm the next one to post!
Just been playing this song on my gut string. Makes me cheery.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 04:01 PM

The original title - in any book of Burns' poetry is "Song Composed in August": my interpretation is that it is a reference to "The Glorious Twelfth" - the start of grouse shooting in Scotland. It always amazes me that some folk sing it all the way through in the same sweet tone of voice (not necessarily DG however!)when I am sure the third verse is angry, a protest against blood sports -
"Avaunt away, the cruel sway,
Tyrannic man's dominion,
The sportsman's joy, the murdering cry,
The fluttering gory pinion".
I go back to tips given me by a couple of very good singers: "read the words, make sense of them, then put the sense into your singing".

Oh, and one young band even left that verse out!

OK, rant over, it's still my favourite Burns song of all time for the beautiful imagery in ALL of the verses, and he wrote it when so young too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Joe_F
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 06:01 PM

A tune, presumably the one specified by Burns, is given in _Burns: Poems and Songs_ (ed. James Kinsley), p. 2. It is described as that of "I had a horse, I had nae mair".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 07:14 PM

Burns' original is called 'Peggy'.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 07:29 PM

She who he wrote it for, mentioned in the 4th verse.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 09:14 AM

I thought you might like to read this, taken from James C Dick's book 'The Songs of Robert Burns and Notes on Scottish Song by Robert Burns':

In the Commonplace Book, entitled 'Har'ste:- a fragment, are eight lines substantially the same as begins the song which the sister of Burns said was written for Jean Armour. The complete song is in the Kilmarnock edition 1786, 224, entitled 'Song, composed in August'. Tune,'I had a Horse, I had naer mair', and the MS. is in the British Museum. Burns changed the heroine to Peggy Thomson, who lived next door to the Kirkoswald school, where Burns studied trigonometry, and she 'upset all my sines and co-sines, and it was in vain to to think of doing any more good at school'. She subsequently married a Mr. Neilson, and Burns was on friendly terms with both. When the song was revised, Burns altered the melody to Port Gordon, as may be seen in the Gray and Law MS Lists, but Johnson of the (Scots Musical) Museum neglected the instruction, and attached the melody When the King Comes o'er the Water, titling it erroneously Come, Kiss with Me. Thomson, in Scottish Airs, 1799, 93, mutilated the verses, and adapted them to an Irish air 'Ally Croker'. The tune Port Gordon, for which Burns wrote the song, is in the Caledonian Pocket Companion, c. 1756, viii. 25. There is a familiar resemblance, but the air is not the same as When the King Comes o'er the Water.

I have listened to Dick Gaughan and various other singers on YouTube but not one of them sings either the 'Come, Kiss with me', 'Port Gordon' or 'I had a Horse, I had nae mair' tune. I wonder if they are singing the 'Ally Croker' tune which I don't have at the moment, or did someone originally 'invent' their own tune and everyone else copied it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Now Westlin Winds (Robert Burns)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 09:16 AM

PS The tune in the DigiTrad is 'I had a horse, I had nae mair'.


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