BS: Losing My Religion

Subject: BS: Losing My Religion
From: GUEST,Call Me Al
Date: 31 May 08 - 08:29 PM

Parishioners of Senator Obama's now infamous Trinity United Church of Christ have been warned tonight they may see gigantic tire tread marks on the outside of their beloved church as they enter for Sunday services tomorrow.

It appears the building has been driven over by a Magic Bus commandeered by their most famous member.

Details at 10.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Amos
Date: 31 May 08 - 08:30 PM

Never mind, Al. You can find a new one.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Naemanson
Date: 31 May 08 - 08:32 PM

Read Richard Dawkin. Listen to Julia Sweeney.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: frogprince
Date: 31 May 08 - 08:43 PM

So, Al, how many other sites who never heard of you before have you dropped in on to share this little uplifting pearl of wisdom?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Bobert
Date: 31 May 08 - 08:47 PM

Apparently we are not yet ready to have that real discussion on race... Obama senses it and is making the hard choices so that he might get US into a better position down the road...

Don't know if white people will ever be ready but Obama's decision says to me that he thinks one day we will be...

Maybe not...

One thing is fir sure... McClinton and McCain aren't ready to facilitate that discusssion...

Too bad that white people in McMedia think it is their ***duty*** to de-black Obama before they let the "colored guy" go forward...

Too bad that more white folks ain't never had the exhilirating experience of the black church...

Too bad that yound blacks (and whites) don't understand what it is that the "my grandfather's Oldsmobile" black preachers have come thru in their lives to understand what it is that makes them say what they say.... It is their life's experiences... They came thru Jim Crow... And lynchings... And lots of terrible stuff that younf people can't grasp...

"Teach your children well
Their father's Hell
Will slowly go by
And feed them on your dreams
The ones they pick
The ones you'll know by

Don't ever ask them why
If they told you you would cry
Just know they love you..."

'Bout says it all...

Explains Rev. Wright... Explains Obama... Explains alot...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: GUEST,Call Me Al
Date: 31 May 08 - 09:37 PM

God forgive him, it was the politically expedient thing to do.

Ambition before allegiance, as they say in politics!

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Amos
Date: 31 May 08 - 09:40 PM

It was more than just politically expedient. He was defining who he was against the background of the pastors' efforts to use his candidacy to grab the microphone and get some reflected glory. It was not only expedient politically, but it was a righteous step in light of their disservice to him personally.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: heric
Date: 31 May 08 - 09:48 PM

Good for Mr. Obama. He doesn't need to carry those old chains around for Mr. Wright and whatever historical problems I just gotta gotta understand. We've got, and Mr. Obama's got, MANY and MUCH more important things to tend to right in the here and now if he's going to take on the job of the President of the United States of America. Mr. Wright can do his act on his own.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Slag
Date: 31 May 08 - 11:11 PM

I wonder if Mr. Obama's revelation is just one of expedience or of a true understanding of the doctrine(s) espoused by his former pastor(s). He claims that Rev. Wright led him to Jesus. Just which Jesus was that? The one who looked upon the conditions of heart as truth of the man? Or some other Jesus who would jockey for political position and re-define his ethic to fit the occasion?

The question still remains in my mind of "what did he know and when did he know it?" For 20 years he listened to hateful rhetoric from that pulpit but his disassociation from it came only after it came to public light in the midst of a campaign for the presidency.

You could argue that at least he came to it and for that I would agree. Better late than never.

Bobert, who defines what it means to a person to be black? Is that the responsibility of the DNC? The "Left" in general? You know, those that have to tell some one how downtrodden they are by some OTHER group, not them? When Mr. Obama came to the mainland he sought out this church, in part, to explain to him the black experience here in the contiguous 48 was. Was Trinity Methodist the only point of view in town?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: GUEST,MichaelS
Date: 31 May 08 - 11:11 PM

Life is bigger
Its bigger than you
And you are not me
The lengths that I will go to
The distance in your eyes
Oh no Ive said too much
I set it up

Thats me in the corner
Thats me in the spotlight
Losing my religion
Trying to keep up with you
And I dont know if I can do it
Oh no Ive said too much
I havent said enough
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try

Every whisper
Of every waking hour im
Choosing my confessions
Trying to keep an eye on you
Like a hurt lost and blinded fool
Oh no Ive said too much
I set it up

Consider this
The hint of the century
Consider this
The slip that brought me
To my knees failed
What if all these fantasies
Come flailing around
Now Ive said too much
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try

But that was just a dream
That was just a dream

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: mg
Date: 31 May 08 - 11:13 PM

Had to be done. That nutcase priest was way beyond the last straw. What a creep. The congregation should have tossed him out on his ears. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: John O'L
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 12:36 AM

Thank you driver for getting me here
You'll be an Inspector, have no fear...

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: quokka
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 03:25 AM

Thanks, Michael S. That's why I looked at this thread! I just can't understand all the words when Stipey sings it. Is it 'try' or 'cry'? And 'Keep eye on you' is what I hear, not 'keep AN eye on you'. BTW have you heard Corky and the Juice Pigs parody of REM? It's priceless. They also do a little Bob Dylan, Billy Bragg and Morrisey parody (I just had a horrified thought - what's yr last name, Michael S.?)!! Obviously REMs my fave band (embarrassed laugh/cough)

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 12:07 PM

I'm sure Senator Obama's leaving his church is merely a prelude to an acknowledgement that his meteoric rise on the national political scene is courtesy of the Faustian deal he made with Satan in 2003.

Or maybe it was Santa he made that deal with. I get the two confused.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 12:38 PM

That nutcase priest was way beyond the last straw. What a creep.

I disagree, mg. Didn't you see Blii Moyers' interview with Wright? Angry at America, yes, and with good reason. Nutcase, he's not.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 12:38 PM

Bill Moyers, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 02:42 PM

In any case, he did not lose his religion; he simply stepped away from a group that kep on kicking him in the, um, shins, when he was trying to walk his path.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: M.Ted
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 09:46 PM

I think the song says it all--

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: kendall
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 07:26 AM

My old friend, Andy Anderson says, and I agree, all organized religions are scams.Scare tactics by the clergy to keep the masses under control.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 09:04 AM

"all organized religions are scams.Scare tactics by the clergy to keep the masses under control."

Sorry Kendell - you're bound to make a mistake when you use a word like "all". You lost me there. Using words like "some" or "many" might be more accurate. You and Andy Anderson may want to rethink your position.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 09:41 AM

Organized religion is an oxymoron.

But I sympathize with Wesley's logic. I think there are plenty of parishes and community groups organized along religious lines that are much more voluntary than their main organizations.

Buddhism as it is practiced in some countries strikes me as another example where the authoritarian or dogmatic aspect of organized "religion" is less salient. Likewise the silent meeting days of some Friends is quite undogmatic.

But the thing to notice is that the part that is religious in actuality is not the part that is organized, and the part that is organized is never the genuinely religious part of any such scene, IMHO.

The understanding that religion and one';s own connection with the human spirit and the infinite, whatever that connection involves, is purely a private and personal experience, is what lies behind the brilliant and revolutionary doctrine of the separation of church and state introduced by Jefferson and his gang.

I don't think we need to we-invent that wheel--we just need to educate the troglodytes who haven't figured out why some things roll better than others!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 10:16 AM

"...Losing My Religion..."


                You're better off for it. Be thankful.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Bee
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 04:43 PM

Would you dear Americans please have your election and just get on with it?

I don't know how you stand this two or three years worth of politicin' and fightin' and accusing each other of committing all seven deadly sins at a go while robbing the public till. Not to mention pretty much the same news every day for months, with the occasional 'gotcha' moment thrown in to confuse the electorate.

Which is to say, Northerners gittin' a little bored with the cartoon: please start main attraction. Not that it's any of our business, but we seem to be sharin' a tee-vee.

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 05:10 PM

"He claims that Rev. Wright led him to Jesus. Just which Jesus was that?" Slag

That question, Slag, could be asked of anyone, i.e. the Jesus who said to forsake family and "follow me"? The Jesus who disrespected authority? The Jesus who said not to lay up treasure on earth? Or the Jesus that others have lately discovered: the Jesus who wants you to have the good life?

Or the Jesus who exhorted people to "judge not lest you be judged..."?

Subject: RE: BS: Losing My Religion
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jun 08 - 06:27 PM

My pundit friend think's he'll wait till his 7th year, and then come out of the closet as an atheist.