Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop) Date: 13 Sep 08 - 01:53 PM What. . . !??? Don Firth |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:31 PM ...at least that one hasn't been changed to "wot", yet! |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 17 Sep 08 - 11:33 AM Volgadon hasn't posted on these matters because Volgadon was out of the country for a couple of weeks. Maslow/v is down to spelling conventions. As has been pointed out, there is no 'w' in Russian, but a 'v'. It isn't as flat sounding as an English 'v'. HOWEVER, surnames ending with a 'v' should sound more like an 'f', because of the Russian tendency to soften endings. Taking Maslow, a surname deriving from the word for oil, it could be rendered properly as either Maslow, Maslov, or even Masloff. This would be fine if he were Russian, but as his parents emigrated, then the form chosen back then should be used. Personally, I preffer 'v' as 'w' is too Polish and 'ff' too French. Don, I would say the spelling was Polonicised! Huge number of Polish immigrants, that's why. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:03 PM ...thanks, Volgadon, etc., and, as it happens, I just recorded and copy/pasted a MaZlO over the MazloV on my Audacity recording software, today, so that's how it will be on the next CD I burn, or if I put it on myspace for a while, which I may do soon. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 20 Sep 08 - 08:18 AM Following the free-market farce of the last week, this week's WEEKLY WALKABOUT, E.G. is... Poem 105 of 230: GLOBAL REGULATIONISM No income-scale would be unjust - It's a matter of degree; And, to have less inequality, Regulations are a must. For, in Millennium's status quo, The pay-gaps for human work, And what's gotten simply as a perk, Are wrong - inhumanely so. From walkaboutsverse.741.com |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: s&r Date: 21 Sep 08 - 05:05 AM refresh.Why not... Stu |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 21 Sep 08 - 06:51 AM WAV, herein lies the rub, which regulations, on what, how much, and by whom. Define for me inequality, I do insist. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: mandotim Date: 21 Sep 08 - 08:55 AM Dear Academic Forklift Driver; please tell me who the regulators will be, and how I will get the chance to vote for or against them? You propose the UN as a regulator; this is an appointed, rather than elected body, with built in advantages for more prosperous or powerful nations. Not really a democrat, are you WAV? Fits with a lot of the totalitarian rubbish on other threads though. Alternatively, are you proposing wholesale reform of the UN too? Pray tell, how will you go about this, and what will your first steps be? Tim (still waiting for answers to lots of other questions) |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 21 Sep 08 - 09:05 AM Tim - on another thread, folks, whether or not they also be forkies (confused newbies please see the "5000 Morris Dancers" thread), detailed some of the problems with the UN - which SHOULD be strictly one nation/one vote. Volgadon - with all due respect, please spend half a day and read the works! for the details, while I watch the final rubber of the Davis Cup. Yours frankly, WAV the folkie/forkie tennis fan |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 21 Sep 08 - 09:44 AM I have read the works, I want more information. Details, especially. Surely someone with your impressive qualifications would be able to provide them. I'm willing to wait until you've finsihed watching that French import. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: mandotim Date: 21 Sep 08 - 09:57 AM Yes forkydorky, I know the UN should be one nation one vote; I asked you what you, in your omnipotence, propose to do about the fact that it isn't? How would the people of the whole world elect their representatives (given that western liberal democracy is by no means the most common form of government in the world)? More importantly, how would you ensure the legitimacy of all these representatives?Volgadon is right; there are no details in the 'works', just lots of half-baked and mostly racist idiocies. Back up your ideas, or pipe down until you can. Tim (still waiting for 'frank answers' on another thread.) |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST Date: 21 Sep 08 - 11:56 AM I want to know how come Wavey favours the very Americanised 'gotten' over the more Anglicized 'got'. Can it be that 'gotten' is also the preferred form in Australia, and that Wavey ain't quite as English as he thinks? Ruth(from a still cookieless iPhone) |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 21 Sep 08 - 01:56 PM To be more precise, Volgadon, there are 2 "French imports" in the form of Real Tennis courts in merry England - 1 in London and 1 in "little London"/Newcastle upon Tyne; I'm yet to try either...anyone ever played French Real Tennis..? From tennis to the other Tim: as I said when the matter of the UN came up on another thread, if things were to change radically and I became such a world-leader, I'd be a macro- NOT a micro-manager - leaving it to experts in their field to flesh-out the details of my big-picture. Or could it be, Ruth, that such is the extent of AmericaniSation these days, it's even gotten/got to let's-keep-England's-end-up me?!...no such problem with the newly re-chalked Giant at Cerne Abbas, mind! |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 21 Sep 08 - 02:19 PM I have read the works, I want more information. Details, especially. Surely someone with your impressive qualifications would be able to provide them. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: mandotim Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:32 PM You'd be a 'macro, rather than a micro manager'; in other words, you haven't got a clue how to even make a start on shaping the world as you would wish it to be. Just to show how wrong you usually are; there are at least 26 real tennis courts in England, and over 4,000 regular players. New ones have been constructed recently, and a number of old country houses are renovating courts that have fallen into disuse. If you can't get this right by doing some elementary research, why should we pay any regard to your equally poorly researched ideas on geopolitics? Tim |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: s&r Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:43 PM Wav - educated English and Americans use IZE except for words like realise. ISE is a French (Horror) import Stu |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Don Firth Date: 21 Sep 08 - 03:58 PM I case anyone missed it on the other thread. Coulda been worse. Check out the cargo!! Uh-oh! Don Firth |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 21 Sep 08 - 04:15 PM Wav, I don't expect micro-level details, just more than what you have given. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 22 Sep 08 - 06:46 AM And, as Don might say, Tim - that may be "touche"...I should have said 2 Real Tennis venues in England that I'm aware of/off the top of my head. But if you look back, it seems that, not long ago, you weren't aware of the Real and Lawn tennis difference at all. Stu - Whilst different ways of pronouncing them are fine, the way of spelling English words should be SET in England - as I've suggested in verse, which I'll post again for newbies to this thread... Poem 149 of 230: FOR BETTER OR WORSE Largely due to America, English - to use Italian - Is now the world's lingua franca, Where, it seems, it once was Latin; But, while brogues are a good thing, I doubt American spelling. From walkaboutsverse.741.com |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: mandotim Date: 22 Sep 08 - 06:58 AM Er; I know the difference very well WAV; A cousin is a championship standard player in Real Tennis. I also know how to pronounce Maslow, and how to play a musical instrument properly. Your point was? Tim |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: s&r Date: 22 Sep 08 - 11:44 AM Sorry WAV look it up in an English dictionary... 'The -ize spelling is preferred by some authoritative British sources including the Oxford English Dictionary — which, until recently, did not list the -ise form of many words, even as an alternative — and Fowler's Modern English Usage. The OED firmly deprecates usage of "-ise", stating, "[T]he suffix…, whatever the element to which it is added, is in its origin the Gr[eek] -ιζειν, L[atin] -izāre; and, as the pronunciation is also with z, there is no reason why in English the special French spelling in -iser should be followed, in opposition to that which is at once etymological and phonetic."[4' Stu |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 22 Sep 08 - 12:44 PM ...Okay, Stu, but, as I just said, again, in verse and prose, to avoid such confusion, there should be just the one way of spelling - NOT pronouncing - English, in my opinion. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Amos Date: 22 Sep 08 - 01:01 PM The shambles of a soul and art Here, both combined in fell array, With broken skills, seek to impart Sad thoughts with nothing much to say. How fallen are the gentle lights Which Blake and Milton once employed, Now ground to dullness and benight, Echoing a mental void. That rhytm, word, and muse as well To such dull bathos could decay, Decries the tale no man could tell Of mortal dullnes, gang agley Seeking in dusty corners far Some glimmer, wit or token phrase, To comfort souls in sullen bars Against the pain of witless days. Go then to paisley shorts and socks of Argyle, shirts of tropic theme, Turn to crochet, or painting rocks, But leave alone the poet's dreams. Take up accounting, spotting trains Or inventory of city birds. Haunt not this realm, with sodden brain Turning the bright to the absurd. Take not these shards from poets torn And use their remnants tripe to spout; We have enough, enough to mourn. Go long, and far, and walk about. Pineas Forgesong Gewirth, Abbot of Palmsfree Getting-on-Inyeers, Lancs. Drew Enfolie, Pubs., Edinboro, 1908 |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 22 Sep 08 - 01:52 PM WAV< come on, answer. Give me some details, not on a micro level, but on a reasonable one, of your grand scheme for regulations. Anyway, American diferences in spelling sprang up from Englishmen, who brought them over, and from people who were trying to remove the foreign, French influences on English. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 23 Sep 08 - 05:00 AM Volgadon - standardiSation of the spelling of English, the language of such greats as Pineas Forgesong Gewith (just above), would be one detail of my "grand scheme for regualtions."...others would be nationalisation of facilities (easier to regulate as such); a stronger more-democratic, one nation/one vote, UN; wage and non-local restrictions in sporting competitions, etc. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 23 Sep 08 - 05:25 AM Amos. Brilliant!! Shame WAV doesn't understand irony! Regards Ralphie |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 23 Sep 08 - 08:02 AM Alright WAV, who will reform the UN and enforce it's new regulations? Or in other words, who will make the nations with veto power and multiple votes give them up? Why will the 192 nations, made up of various rivals and bitter enemies, suddenly choose to work together in harmony? Who will see to it that things like 14 of the former SSRs won't gang up together and push through resolutions that are damaging for the 15th and largest? Just one example of many various problems. Who will control and oversee the UN's efforts? How will resolutions be enforced? If you give control to the UN chairman, guess what, you've succeeded in creating the first GLOBAL DICTATOR. I'm not quite sure that you can have both a strong and a democratic UN. In something like that, it looks like either one or the other. Which facilities are you going to nationalise? What sort of wage restrictions and why? As for restricting non-locals, have you considered what that might mean? One thought that springs to mind is that you will be tieying sportsmen down to their hometowns. Will they not be allowed to move for work, or will they have to reside for ex-amount of time in a certain place, in which case how will they be able to work for those five years (or however many you decide)? Standardising English. What excatly do you mean. Are you going to ban all books and documents written in non-standard English (aacording to you)? Are you going to penalise anyone caught using non-standard English? Who is going to pay to have all the changes made, who is going to decide what standard and who is going to enforce it on all English speakers the world over? Have you considered any of the HUMAN impact your proposed regulations will have on people? Amos, brilliant indeed, and shows that WAV doesn't do any research. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 23 Sep 08 - 08:38 AM "Which facilities are you going to nationalise?" (Volgadon)...large ones, such as all public transport, such that, via regulations and modern IT, one could by a ticket from, say, any bus-stop in Cornwall to anyone in Northumberland. The problems you mention with the UN will have to be overcome to make is stronger and more democratic; but it IS the best way forward, and it's good that it's been talked about here - the English media, e.g., give heaps more attention to the US than the UN, which is NOT a good thing, and I sometimes do my bit by making emailed complaints about it. And not that long ago, English club-football, e.g., was regulated (although not quite as much as I'd like) and was, indeed, mostly-locals in meaningful competition, rather than the greedy meaningless foreign-farce it is now. Finally, you accuse me of not doing any research, but all I've just said is on my site, which I think you claimed to have read..? |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 23 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM WAV Bollocks. Yes I have read your site. And was then, violently sick. You have no answers. You don't even understand the questions. Oh, and would you please remove that garbage that you call music from your Myspace page. It's giving the rest of us, hard working (talented) musicians a bad name. If you ever turned up at my Folk Club for a floor spot..... (Go Figure) |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 23 Sep 08 - 11:07 AM If you had done reaserch, you would have seen that the only mention of Amos's poet in google is on this thread. I am not saying that if google turns nothing up then something doesn't exist, but it's a good indicator. Then go and read the poem, which clinches it. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 23 Sep 08 - 01:09 PM I've read such posts from Amos for ages, Volgadon, and I think it's you who is misunderstanding things...perhaps I should have put an ! mark in my response above. Ralphie - I've placed in a few NE folk-festival competitions (see here if you wish), where they don't have to award places, but do sometimes give feedback forms, which I've read and kept - much more positive than your opinion. But if you don't want me at your folk-club because my music makes you "violently sick" no less, perhaps you should say which one it is. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 23 Sep 08 - 05:34 PM "Which facilities are you going to nationalise?" (Volgadon)...large ones, such as all public transport, such that, via regulations and modern IT, one could by a ticket from, say, any bus-stop in Cornwall to anyone in Northumberland. I can see that, transport here was only privatised a decade or so ago. The problems you mention with the UN will have to be overcome to make is stronger and more democratic; but it IS the best way forward, and it's good that it's been talked about here - the English media, e.g., give heaps more attention to the US than the UN, which is NOT a good thing, and I sometimes do my bit by making emailed complaints about it. WAV, you'll be pleased to learn that I have located the logical fallacy in all your harebrained schemes. BELLING THE CAT!!!!!!!! Go read Aesop's Mice in Council. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST Date: 24 Sep 08 - 04:24 AM Well the smurfs succeed in putting a bell on Azrael, so logically speaking I dont see a problem with WAV's schemes. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 24 Sep 08 - 04:39 AM "I can see that, transport here was only privatised a decade or so ago" (Volgadon)...you mean Isreal (where I last heard you were living) or England? If you mean the latter, eureka, you've noticed I'm against some elements of the status quo! |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 24 Sep 08 - 05:11 AM Here for me is Israel. Now what do you say about belling cats? |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 24 Sep 08 - 05:13 AM Please note that it is REAL but spelt IsrAel. Thank you. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 24 Sep 08 - 10:42 AM Well, I hope you, too, Volgadon, are campaigning for re-nationalisation. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 24 Sep 08 - 12:26 PM "Well, I hope you, too, Volgadon, are campaigning for re-nationalisation." No, because there hasn't been any substantial difference. They still run to all the places they used to, with the same frequency, which isn't saying much. There are far worthier causes. Now answer me this. Have you considered the IMPACT your regulations would have on ordinary people? |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:13 AM ...yes, the regulationism I propose in walkaboutsverse.741.com - instead of the "democratic capitalism" for which George Bush just restated his support - definitely would make things better for "ordinary people" (Volgadon). |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:16 AM Are you in support of a regulation that would make the employer have to provide a good, solid reason for why he is hiring a foreigner, and if he can't provide one, then has to take a native? |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: s&r Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:29 AM The real difficulty with your interminable links WAV is that they never go anywhere except the same page. The result is that if anyone wanted to check on your pronouncements of self judged wisdom, he/she would have to wade through page after page of badly written rubbish to arrive at the point you are trying to make. There's still the problem of recognizing when you arrive at the salent(?) point. Stu |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: s&r Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:48 PM Salient - the question was related to the likelihood of it being salient, not the typo Stu |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:14 PM Okay Stu - next time I'll try to link to (or closer to) the actual poem, etc. Volgadon - as part of such regulationism, I've said economic/capitalist (NOT all) emigration/immigration should be illegal, FROM NOW ON. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:24 PM WAV, that was not my question. Are you in support of a regulation that would make the employer have to provide a good, solid reason for why he is hiring a foreigner, and if he can't provide one, then has to take a native? |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 25 Sep 08 - 03:14 PM No, Volgadon - I've listed other kinds of immigration (medical, e.g.), and there should be no such regulation around it, in my opinion. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 25 Sep 08 - 03:35 PM I don't understand, is that a yes or a no. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 26 Sep 08 - 06:15 AM Does, indeed, look like a "no" from this angle, Volgadon; but, as I say, I think economic/capitalist (not all) immigration/emigration should be made illegal, from now on. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Stu Date: 26 Sep 08 - 06:47 AM "I think economic/capitalist (not all) immigration/emigration should be made illegal, from now on" Why should people's freedom to work and live where they wish be curtailed? You would criminalise people who wanted out of this godforsaken shitehole of a society we've created for ourselves or escape from the misery of poverty to get a slice of the relative luxury we live in? |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 26 Sep 08 - 09:15 AM I maintain, Stigweard, that the other regulations I've proposed would make the world a much less unequal place, with much less of "the misery of poverty" you mention; and with eco-travel and fair-trade, rather than yet more conquest and economic/capitalist immigration/emigration, between nations. |
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.) From: Stu Date: 26 Sep 08 - 09:46 AM 600. So you're still happy to criminalise people wanting to live overseas? You did yourself - there's a whiff of hypocrisy about your argument WAV. |
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