'5000 Morris Dancers'

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 10:30 AM

Wav, I think you'll find that Thomas Hardy gave up writing novels because he didn't want to go through the agony and heartbreak that he went through when the public read his last two novels. Add to that the stress on his domestic life and a writer's sensitive ego and you can see why. He didn't give up writing, but returned to his first love, poetry.
Hardy did not look at Jude the Obscure and think to himself, well, this caps my life's work, I think I'll rest now.

Wav, I'll be very blunt, only a fool decides to stop learning. There is ALWAYS more to see, more to hear, more to discover, more to learn, there is always a BETTER poem to write, and so on and so forth.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 10:58 AM

Ee Volgadon - that's not very blunt.

Spaw ia the master of blunt.

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:32 PM

who was the writer who took to his bed and masturbated for many years was it Flaubert?.
wav,have you thought ,now you have given up writing poetry,of taking up another hobby,perhaps gliding,or pot holing,or some outdoor activity,perhaps twitching .

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:40 PM

Spaw is the master of very creative rudeness. There is a difference between that and mere bluntness and I do not aspire to such lofty heights as Mudcat's master of the craft.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:44 PM

The day I stop doing what I do will be the day they put a tag on my toe, throw a sheet over me, and close the drawer. But

When it comes my time to die,
You can bury my all but my good right eye.

because I'm going to keep right on watching!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:49 PM

I'm hardly at "rest" (Volgadon) or merely "waiting for God" (FT) but, rather, quite active as an amateur performance poet and folkie - including working out the tunes ot my 17 "Chants from Walkabouts", and committing to memory the recorder and keyboard fingering of more than 50 altogether.
One thing's for sure, CB, if ever enjoying Ireland, again, it will only be as a respectful tourist, again - NOT as a capitalist/economic immigrant.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 02:19 PM

Still on a sombre note, the "cultural olympiad" kicked off today - however, from what I saw on the news, not with Morris Dancing but American street dancing.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 02:30 PM

Because that is people's culture. Don't you think it's great that youth are out there having wholesome fun?
Give it a few centuries and breakdancing will become as much part of the cultural landscape as the Spanish morris was.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 04:13 AM

WAV you're such a sad person - you see problems and restrictions and don'ts and negatives where the rest of the world sees joy. Music is wonderful whoever and wherever it's played. Dance is wonderful anywhere, any style.

Even your banal verse is better written than if you had never tried. Singing improves with practice so does playing an instrument.

Norma Waterson, bastion of English folk chose to sing a West indian version of Streets of Laredo last night on Channel 4 - it was great.

Think positive. Be happy for everyone who performs anything: it's better than performing nothing, even (especially?) if it's outside your box.

Put your talents and energy to better use.

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 09:32 AM

I definitely do appreciate other cultures, Stu, but I only practise/perform my own; and this is hardly radical - not that long ago, many folk clubs in England had a perform-your-own policy.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 10:01 AM

On the contrary, WAV, you've abandoned your own (Australian) culture, in favour of a version of Englishness which you've made up out of your head (although I suppose that could be called your own culture...)

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 12:45 PM

Do you then 'definitely appreciate' the break dancing culture in Wales? I watched this and found it fun rather than sombre (as you misanthropically describe it).


Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 03:06 PM

Stu: That was on the mainstream news, so many saw it rather than traditional Welsh dancing, which may have appealed as much or more - a great shame.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Woody
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 06:31 PM

From: WalkaboutsVerse

Still on a sombre note, the "cultural olympiad" kicked off today - however, from what I saw on the news, not with Morris Dancing but American street dancing.

We were out Morris dancing here as part of the Cultural Olympiad. A quick check around our area shows that there's also Poetry, Art workshops, history, comedy, sport, exhibitions, music, story telling, cookery, traditional games, historical re-enactments, circus & street entertainers, theatre, bell ringing, singing, dancing, film... the list goes on. Not bad for the first couple of days.

Maybe you should get off your arse - stop moaning, watching TV & posting bollocks on Mudcat - and go out and learn something about the country you live in.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 07:17 PM

Do you only appreciate some other cultures WAV?

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 07:19 PM

Maniacal Satanic Laughter!!

666

Don Firth

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 01:45 AM

Wav, what traditional English dances did Morris and ECD replace, or was there just a vacuum, people sitting around on their backsides until someone came up with an English dance. Never mind that those two are foreign imports.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:41 AM

"We were out Morris dancing here as part of the Cultural Olympiad. A quick check around our area shows that there's also Poetry, Art workshops, history, comedy, sport, exhibitions, music, story telling, cookery, traditional games, historical re-enactments, circus & street entertainers, theatre, bell ringing, singing, dancing, film... the list goes on. Not bad for the first couple of days." (Woody)...music to my ears, Woody...and those are the sorts of things that should be on mainstream news.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:53 AM

Wav, what traditional English dances did Morris and ECD replace, or was there just a vacuum, people sitting around on their backsides until someone came up with an English dance. Never mind that those two are foreign imports.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 05:33 AM

From a thread on Derbyshire country dances ca 1927:


The Russian Dance
Bonnie Cate
Major O'Flacherty
The Duchess of Hamilton's Rant
The Black Boy


Which of these would your xenophobic rules allow WAV?


Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 02:13 PM

I'm not "xenophobic", Stu - I've found my way, on a shoestring, through about 40 countries, getting on okay with many races/cultures along the way.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 03:42 PM

So which of these according to your arbitrary rules would be allowe as an English country dance?

Stu

By the way I don't know if you are xenophobic, but your pronouncements are

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 05:39 AM

I don't know them, frankly, Stu - I've watched and listened to "English country dance" (and at least we AGREE! on not calling it "ceilidh", which my late English Godmother, who did learn ECD at school, had not even heard of) but that's about it, at this stage...; and I only play a couple of dance tunes as song intro's - "The Northumberland (NOT "Northumbrian", for some reason) Bagpipes" and "English Country Gardens" - having fitted the words myself to the Morris tune from a Bert Cleaver/Morris Ring book.
What I can say is that the name "Jerusalem" doesn't stop me playing and singing "And did those feet in ancient times...", as part of my English hymn repertoire, each weekend (same link).

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,We Subvert Koalas
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 06:18 AM

Odd that you think of Jerusalem as an English Hymn, WAV, but otherwise it fits your mad schemes quite snugly. The opening lines refer to a legend of a young Jesus visiting (as an eco-tourist no doubt) England - specifically Glastonbury - with his uncle, Joseph of Arimathia, whilst the rest of it is couched in terms of a symbolic residence of a humanity freed of the inter-related chains of commerce, British imperialism, and war. Blake's mental fight is directed against these chains. In his Blake: Prophet Against Empire, David Erdman tells us that Blake's dark, Satanic Mills are the mills that produce dark metal, iron and steel, for diabolic purposes... London.. was a war arsenal and the hub of the machinery of war, and Blake uses the symbol in that sense.

Did Blake's visionary insanity extend so far as racism? Perhaps we shall never know, but it seems a shame that such a splendid piece of revolutionary polemic has been co-opted as not just a Hymn, which it never was, but our unofficial national(ist) anthem.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 01:14 PM

...I'm aware that some, in the C of E, e.g., argue that it's not a hymn, WSK - but it is in both "The New English Hymnal," and "Hymns Ancient and Modern."

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 01:36 PM

If you\re going to use dots for contractions (Outdated) you should really have C.of E.,e.g., = or better, go with open punctuation


Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 05:37 AM

I C, Stu.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 12:11 PM

Good :)

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 01:06 PM

...but, Stu, you forgot your -
:-)

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 01:38 PM

But still a few surplus commas WAV. Open punctuation is used by many skilled typists for its uncluttered appearance and readability.

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 05:40 PM

I did check a style manual several times when writing walkaboutsverse.741.com, Stu, but such styles will change - remember how, a few years ago, the media began dropping the use of capitals in names?...stu/morris dancing...somethings are surely better left as is. But, yes, I think that fairly new manual does mention a trend for using less punctuation marks, as you suggest.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 06:09 PM

Forget style manuals, LEARN the functions of things like punctuation.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Snuffy
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 06:47 PM

less punctuation
fewer punctuation marks

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 10:53 PM

What bullshit! Your use of ridiculous punctuation coupled with your defensive tone when you're wrong simply asssures one and all of your status as a dipshit.

But let's forget all that and just talk about your mother. I'm sure that for you it isn't easy, but your mother is.

Spaw

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 04:40 AM

Erm. Can we get back to exploring WAVs weird views re "National Identity"
On the other hand, I'm happy to see this thread drift into absurdity.
(It's actually funnier like that. After all, we have to admit that we are never going to change WAVs racist standpoint.)

WAV, I resent the fact that my taxes are supporting your benefit claims.
Go on WAV. Go out and get a job, and stop spongeing on the rest of us.
When you are contributing to the UK coffers, then you will have the right to an opinion on how us taxpayers live our lives.

Alternatively, you could do what your name says, and Walkabout somewhere else.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Surreysinger
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 05:32 AM

Chaps ....come on now... name calling etc ... not very civilised or adult. If it's come down to WAV picking people up on their style of producing smileys (and incorrectly at that, since there IS no one correct way of producing a smiley), or their use of punctuation or grammar for lacking of any better argument, then it's really not worth rising to his bait ... and any way, what happened to those Morris dancers ??

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 06:25 AM

Its not a case of rising to bait. We all know he's a troll but most of us I think are taking advantage of his crap to have an enjoyable time ourselves. I know I am. If we all quit posting he'll just keep things going all by himself (the only way he has sex) until others come along. Wavydork won't quit so why not jerk the racist piece of pigshit around for the hell of it?

And he is that......racist. So have no fear for anyone's sanity except perhaps Wavy's mom.......something about the latent effects of an s.t.d I think.

Spaw

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 07:20 AM

Hi Spaw.
Yes, of course you are right. But, shouldn't we pity him?
He's set himself up as such an obvious target, that it's almost impossible to miss...
Let it go please. (And that includes me)
It's sad, and the rest of us here are not doing him any favours.
Dont kick a guy when he's having troubles.
I hope that he seeks help. He obviously needs it.
So lets all stop now.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:07 PM

Catspaw: not only would some of your language make a bullocky blush, but your opinions shift faster than a cat on a hot tin roof - remember a few weeks ago you were almost pleading for mudcat to host my above website? If you don't, paw through the threads.
Ralphie - 4 technical certificates and a degree in humanities, A-grade junior football and tennis, 40 countries, etc...who's deluding themself...and who's been using the new buzz phrase "global regulationism" for years?

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:14 PM

LMAO.....That was complete bullshit! Consider it as "damning with faint praise." Do you really think your stuff has any value at all compared to the DT? Don't delude yourself Wavydoof.

I really love the fact you believed me.........

Spaw

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:15 PM

-Do you know what irony is?
-Yes, it's like bronzy and goldy.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:44 PM

Ralphie - 4 technical certificates and a degree in humanities, A-grade junior football and tennis, 40 countries, etc...who's deluding themself...and who's been using the new buzz phrase "global regulationism" for years?

Rank is but the guinea stamp, man's the gowd for a' that.
Applies equally to degrees and tech. certificates.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:46 PM

That's told you, Ralphie. Bet you can't drive a forklift truck.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:51 PM

Mind you, Wav has never actually told us if he's WORKED as a forkie.
He certainly hasn't done anything with anthropology, merely learned about it.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 02:21 PM

Oh Well.
I admit defeat.
WAV is a superior, (No,... God Like) creature.
I bow to him. I am not worthy to smell his armpits.
I will now go and kill my self.
Sorry to the rest of the world.
Goodbye

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 02:52 PM

Thus ends the sad tale of Ralphie, a man without 4 tech. certificates.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 03:03 PM

If you want to smell my armpits, help raise the roof in a mass chorus of "Country Life", and maybe even help me forkabout some folkie festival hardware, not to mention get me off the dole, Ralphie, you better pull, very strongly, a few of your friend Ruth's strings - if she is indeed the high-rank folk-festival director you claim her to be on the other thread (or just another Catspaw?)! Otherwise, I'll keep TRYING to get back into manufacturing, thanks.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 03:54 PM

Keep dreaming, Crocodile Dundee.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 04:34 PM

Oh, you mean the contemporary song with very audible American influences?

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 04:53 PM

Oh, wotthehell! Why not?

700

Don Firth