BS: OJ gets 15 years

Subject: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 02:12 PM

Hmmm... OJ gets a minimum of 15 years in the pokey. I wonder how he'll do in prison?

MSNBC Story

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: gnu
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 02:18 PM

He'll do just fine. And so will everyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 02:33 PM

IN reading the story it reminds me again of how complex we humans are. We kill each other, sometimes by heinous means, and then cry foul when someone wishes to kill us. We are willing to consign others to oblivion but have no patience with those who would do the same to us.

OJ was evidently willintg to kill others but resists mightily the need to prison.

I hope he does not rest easy.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: gnu
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 02:51 PM

Of course, one could argue the point that he was driven to kill ("kill" as was decided in the civil suit... NOT in the criminal suit). There is a fine line, here. If the prosecution were ABLE prove intent in the criminal trial, would they not also be required to prove motive, thereby allowing the defense to argue that the proven motive provided provocation of temporary insanity. There is a lot of shit that goes on in the mind... and it is open to interpretation... sometimes behind closed doors... and sometimes behind closed minds.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 02:53 PM

It makes me believe in fate

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Melissa
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 02:55 PM

I just hope all 15 years isn't on tv.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 03:00 PM

Hubris rides again.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Genie
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 03:32 PM

What Melissa said.

I think, next to being confined and being poor, the worst punishment in OJ's mind would be being ignored by the media.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 03:32 PM

It may have taken awhile but I thibnk that OJ dfinally figured out a way to bring justice down upon himself...

A very sad story all the way around...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Hrothgar
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 04:32 PM

The cynic in me says that he will get this sentence reduced on appeal. If I were his lawyer I would be claiming 15 years is manifestly excessive for a confrontation between two groups of varying levels of honesty. I myself don't know that he has any other previous convictions for crimes of this nature that could be taken into account in sentencing.

The point could be made that the court is sentencing him to extra time because he got off last time - and that doesn't wash in strict legal terms, because he does not have a criminal conviction on his record for the wife killing.

Mind you, I'm not going to miss him.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 05:46 PM

There was a lovely little British mystery on the American program Mystery! many years ago, in which the husband kills one person (his wife, I think) and gets away with it, but is caught up circumstancially in the death of another person and is found guilty. Malice Aforethought. Quite a satisfying little drama!

Justice has been served, or at least a portion has been served up.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 07:27 PM

Well, IF he actually does go to jail/prison, he might want to protect his 'back side'. I am not sure the other inmates will be 'kind' to him.

It remains to be seen yet that he actually GOES inside.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: john f weldon
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 07:30 PM

What ever happened to the ancient principle of only being tried once for a crime??

OJ was found, clearly, not guilty at his first trial.

Then he was re-tried in a "civil action" and stripped of his money.

The third time, on a very minor charge which should have resulted in "community service", he was sentenced.. ...as if for murder!

What a load! This isn't justice, it's an unpopularity contest.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: bobad
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 07:39 PM

He was convicted on 12 charges including conspiracy to commit a crime, robbery, assault and kidnapping with a deadly weapon.

Don't forget this is the US, not Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 07:56 PM

The problem, John Weldon, is thoguh OJ was not found guilty in the murder trial of his ex-wife and Goldmann, it wasn't, as you say, "clearly"... The prosecution presented a case that would have resulted in a guilty verdict in almost anu court in the country if the defendent wasn't a bif name, didn't have a muti-million daollar defense team and a media circus, to boot...

To many who watched the trial, this was not a "clear" verdict... It was a tainted verdict... A muddied verdict... Anything but clear...

So, in some respect, yeah, he did get time for that muddied verdict... I mean, let's get real here... If he had shot his next door neighbor over an argument he might not have gotten as much time as he's gotten over a sports memorabilia dispute but I think that most people have seen enough of OJ getting away with crap... He lost the civil case but figured out ways around paying the judegement... That's bullsh*t... He has not been a model citizen saince his days in the NFL and he has done asome very bad things... Lettin' him off the hook would have sent a very bad message to other folks who do very bad things...

I'm glad he's behind bars... He's earned his time...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: john f weldon
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 08:00 PM

..thou sayest...

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: kendall
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 08:11 PM

I thought he got 9 years, not 15?

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: bobad
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 09:15 PM

Concurrent sentences a confused mess for O.J. Simpson case
Posted: December 05, 2008, 3:29 PM by Jim Middlemiss


Much confusion over the O.J. sentences. Media reports have it all over the place from a six years to as much as 33 with parole eligibiltiy in a decade.

Why the confusion? In sentencing him on the 12 charges he was convicted of by a jury, hanging judge Jackie Glass sentenced him to a complex series of concurrent and consecutive sentences.

In the U.S., unlike Canada, criminals often get consecutive sentences. That means if you are found guilty on two charges, one for eight years and the other for 10, then you are serving 18 years as the sentences follow each other. With concurrent sentences, however, they overlap and you serve the longest.

However, you also have to factor in parole eligibility and then it's a real mess. the Associated Press seems to have the best take on it, at least until the lawyers sort it out. They quote the judge's clerk as saying it could be a maximum of 33 years, but eligible for parole after nine.

Guess that's better than had he been convicted in his murder trial, where he could have faced the death penalty. Though at 61, 33 years is essentially a death sentence.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 10:38 PM

...a very minor charge which should have resulted in "community service"...

When Mr. Simpson and his codefendants chose to use guns in the commission of a relatively minor crime, it automatically became a major crime. Nobody gets community service if they use a gun. In most states, it's five years minimum.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: kendall
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 03:31 PM

Anyone who uses a gun in a crime should get life.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 09:29 AM

"OJ was found, clearly, not guilty at his first trial."

Well, since 2 of the jurors later admitted that they had decided at the beginning that they were NOT going to convict him, no matter what the evidence, "clearly" is perhaps not a good description of the verdict.

There is an old saying that "A jury trial is a court procedure to determine which side has the better lawyer(s)". OJs 1st trial was a prime example.

Subject: RE: BS: OJ gets 15 years
From: Peace
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 07:03 PM

Dog years? If so, it's close to apt.