BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 04:33 PM

I meant to add: with or without sex education.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 04:26 PM

I have a cousin born with congenital syphilis. Dad was screwing around; Mom did not know. The child suffers from associated mental disabilities.

To get back on subject: If adults who know and understand the consequences don't take precautions, why would anyone expect a child operating on impulse to?

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 03:48 PM

Of course, education is key, but using what one learns in school is even more important, though no one can force another to protect against pregnancy, not even a spouse or lover.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Sooz
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 03:32 PM

There are very clear guidelines for PSHE education in the UK, but unfortunately they are not yet a statutary part of the curriculum so schools teach as much or as little as they like. Consultation has taken place but there has not yet been a decision made as to whether it should be compulsory or not.
In my experience as a teacher of PSHE education for many years, the vast majority of young people in this country are very much more aware of the facts and consequences associated with relationships than people of their parents' generation.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 03:08 PM

I think I educated my kids too well - son aged 21 & daughter aged 28 and not a grandchild in sight...

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Rapunzel
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 02:29 PM

Education is key.

I was educated in a Roman Catholic secondary school in the 1980s. Our Religious Studies teacher had the excellent sense to regularly tell us "If you break rule number 1, please be sure to break rule number 2 as well!"
In other words, if you do have sex outside marriage/under age, then for goodness sake use contraception.

I don't know of any kids in my year who were pregnant before we left school, but I'm sure they weren't all waiting to have sex.

Meanwhile, in this case, what's done is done, lessons need to be learned, but there is no mileage in laying blame.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 02:14 PM

Yes I agree but there has to be the education programme there in place. I remember we had quite a good sex ed at high school both in science class and in PSE lessons, everything was covered and we had a very good teacher that wasn't embarrassed. I think parents should educate their children too and not leave it all to schools.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 01:52 PM

Yes, it's always good to use protection against not just pregnancy, but also venereal diseases.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 01:35 PM

I'm not taking an holier than thou attitude. I just think it is sad that this has happened. The kids may or may not have known what they are doing and the result is an innocent baby. I really do hope that they get the help to learn to be parents and bring the child up. I don't think the child should be removed from the parents however young they are unless they are totally incapable of looking after it and have no support network. I do think the sex education these days needs to be up to date so that kids are not clueless about what can happen should they experiment at an early age.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 01:34 PM

The only way to keep kids from having sex is to remove their genitalia when they're born and give 'em back on their eighteenth birthdays.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 12:11 PM

No problem Meg. There is a bug going through my office guaranteed to take off ten pounds in two days. I can't wait... Hope you feel better.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Megan L
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 11:38 AM

Sorry Sinsull I am not on top form today was up most of the night with upset tum. You are right My mum always said fowk in glass hosses shouldny play fitba.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 11:33 AM

Megan,
I can (but won't) name several 'Catters who have posted to this thread who did experiment and did have children that were "unexpected". It happens. And it happens with very young teenagers. It has happened with very young teenagers for centuries.

Claiming that society is falling apart or pretending that self respect is the issue is ludicrous. Read what Georgiansilver has posted above. Do a search on 'Catters who have adopted children. "Unexpected" teenage pregnancies with no medical follow up until the birth are the source for many of these babies. Add to that a young mother with no concept of childcare who keeps the baby until it is no longer "cute' then dumps it into the foster care system. This birth is not the end of society as we know it as long as the child is cared for properly.

I am far more concerned about an adult with six children who is artificially inseminated with octuplets, brought to term, and then announces that she can't support the children she has never mind the eight new ones and their concurrent medical bills. To me, this is criminal behavior not the careless experimentaion of a 12 year old.

Rant over.
I was not belittling monogamy. I was questioning the holier than thou attitude of some who have posted. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Megan L
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 10:54 AM

Well I certainly didnt experiment I waited till I found the one man in my life I married him and this is us into our 26th year.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 10:49 AM

I see some big black pots calling the little kettles black.
Are you all pretending that you sex outside of marriage is a sin? or only wrong for young teenagers?

It seems the suggestion is that the sex was OK but getting pregnant was not.

Barry has it right. Kids experiment. So do adults. Sometimes the result is a child, sometimes wanted/sometimes not. Once again, I will say that if the child is loved and cared for, it is no one's business but their own. The publicity seems to have come from the family maybe in hopes of getting some money out of it. Certainly, this is not the first child born to a young teenager. Posts above prove that.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: paula t
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 10:30 AM

What is the legal position about these children being identified in the media?
Had they mugged someone, their identities would have been protected.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 09:47 AM

They are only children themselves. Something has gone very wrong somewhere along the line. Where was the sex education for them both? and where is their self respect? They have lost their childhoods, when they should be out hanging with friends, taking up hobbies etc they will be changing nappies and having sleepless nights. I think it's very sad and I don't agree with it but I hope they get the help they need for the sake of the child.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Blowzabella
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 09:02 AM

http://news.aol.co.uk/boy-13-may-not-be-babys/article/20090215070826311857017 Seems there are other candidates for the paternal role

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: goatfell
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 08:15 AM

what about their parents?

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 05:43 AM

Children having children, and the grownups have to pay.

Phil*

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 05:03 AM

A sad refection on what Britain has become.

Personally, I find your posts to this thread a sadder reflection, Lexy.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 05:01 AM

Which put me in mind of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VcGJZpfl1c

Perfect listening for a weary Sunday morning, Barney's shorts notwithstanding...

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: GUEST,Lexy
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 05:00 AM

In today's paper the boy wants the mum to take a DNA test. Four other local boys are claiming to be the father. I would charge the grandparents with neglect. A sad refection on what Britain has become.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 04:47 AM

Kids having sex at that age disgraceful.

This makes an interesting read: Worldwide Ages of Consent.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 09:39 PM

To the various souls who have said - sex education is the answer, I say amen. Both my daughters were offered birth control at 15 -- both took the option. Both are lovely young women, neither of them are promiscuous and neither of them are unplanned mothers yet at the ages of 23 and 27 respectively.......

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: JennieG
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 05:58 PM

Many years ago Himself worked at a place where there were several families working alongside each other - husband and wife, father and son etc. One father and son had just 14 years between them, i.e. father was 14 when son was born.

Perhaps things were different then; this was in the 70s, so the birth would have taken place in the 50s. People felt differently then about young marriages and families. Nowadays we are surprised if anyone under 30 gives birth!

Cheers
JennieG

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 02:53 PM

IMO Creating a taboo of any kind, incites natural rebellion. Just like my naughty cats who always do whatever it is that they know annoys me most in order to get my attention...

With girls, I think that a very gentle "it's here if you need it" approach is best, along with all the essential information about how pregnancy can cause major upheavals etc.

But IMO, give them fast easy access to the child prevention technology, before they even need preaching to, would be the most pragmatic solution to an awful lot of buggered up lives...

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 02:31 PM

An analogy here:

In the days when I smoked I first thought of it as a 'religious issue'; I was brought up in a religious atmosphere and my parents were adamantly against smoking.

Years later more information came out about the health effects of smoking and then I felt much worse about it.

Maybe if instead of telling the kids: Just say No! as to engaging in sexual activity we put the emphasis on 'Safe sex' we would accomplish more.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 02:13 PM

Err, which means I believe, give them the essential chemical/barrier failsafe's alongside the preachy "don't do this" stuff that they may well ignore...

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 02:08 PM

I haven't read all this thread. But generally I believe, that there needs to be far greater active encouragement of young fertile girls to to easily access safe Birh Control.

Sexually mature girls (approaching the physical capacity to concieve babies (ie. Menarch), rather than exhibiting sexual behaviour and activity), should be able to get such life altering stuff, easily via the school nurse IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 01:57 PM

But, Dave O, we all fail them. There are no do-overs, the best we can hope for sometimes is understanding and forgiveness.

A friend of mine has two sons. The older one, now 30, is fine. The younger one, 28, is in terrible shape, mentally and in prospects. He is currently hooked on meth but he started out as a 'problem child' filled with inexplicable hate and rebellions and lack of . His parents cajoled, punished, sought therapy and intervention from the authorities. He still ended up on the street and in frequent trouble with the law.

Now, my friend says, they know they failed the boy in so many ways; they simply did not know what he was going through.

My parents were 48 and 50 when they adopted two little girls, 17 and 6 months respectively. It is true that the girls' parents were significantly older than those of their peers but they also had numerous older brothers and sisters who rallied 'round.

I do agree with you, Dave O, that life today for the young'uns is immeasureably more difficult than it used to be.

On the other hand, that is the identical thing my parents told me when I was young.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 01:41 PM

Ebbie:

One point: at the boy's age of 13 his parents (the "caregiving grandparents) are probably under age 45!

My wife and I adopted (because of childlessness) at 36 or so, and again at 39; and believe you me, that's already too far along for a first child--not when Junior is a cute, cuddly little helpless thing, but 16, 17, 18 years later it can be pretty grim. The world those kids inhabited is so changed from our young days that we had no idea what was going on in and around them, and in a number of ways we failed them.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 01:32 PM

mg, I think I have noted befoe that your solution involves the duenna concept. Far better to my mind is the vital education that Barry proposes.

People, including children, are not inherently stupid. People, including children, respond to their own self-interest. Aware self-interest leads to actions that further that self-interest. Let's work with that fact.

Listening to what they are saying is an essential part of education, both theirs and ours.

One of my battle cries is that if I could do one thing, I would get it across to children that life needn't be as hard as we tend to make it.

And further: Every child is entitled to a mentor!

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 01:05 PM

Hm..I think I mentioned learning a trade, and meant vocational or occupational education, as well as regular education. I also mentioned parenting classes. Do not see the lack of education in my proposal.

It is not just a few potential problems. It is a huge and growing problem, and we can not afford it and it is not fair to the babies, the teens themselves (and a 13 year old boy is usually still pretty child-like), and it is not fair to their parents, and it is not fair to people who have to pay for this, and it is not fair to people who have to endure the social consequences of spreading poverty..such as dangerous neighborhoods.

It is the biological imperative that every 15 year old girl instinctively (OK take out every..I don't want to bother arguing) wants to get pregnant whether she realizes it or not. We have to put obstacles up in the face of biology..the main one is constant supervision of younger teens..never should a 13 year old get pregnant..and supervision has to be lessened as they approach 17 or so, when hopefully they could at least raise the baby and partially support it.

This is what drives all sorts of ensuing problems. If we can get a handle on it, problems will fade from society. Don't bother saying I am blaming the victim. I don't buy it. I do not blame the victims. I do blame the enablers. If you have teens, they ahve to be supervised, in group social settings for part of their day hopefully, in healthy recreation, which most of them do not have access to, and not have access to the pull of the streets, the gangs, etc. I know that will be very hard for some as situations are very bad often..but there is a huge gray area where kids cango either way, and a large part of teen pregnancy is just the social acceptance of it. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Barry Finn
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 12:28 PM

The plank in my eye Lexy should be brought down across your backside.
You want to tie up the justice system for a few teens that got into a mess. That's a sure way to a soul.tion. Send them underground, increase the number of runaways, see the teen suicide rates skyrocket, alley way abortions enter the scene. Lexy & Mg have their fingers on the pulse of the problem, NOT! How about a couple bucks for education?
Underage kids having sex with each other is not a crime & there's a reason for that, it's the same for consenting adults! There are plenty of those that shouldn't be allowed to have kids too, idiot!

Why not sterilize the little bastards before they're old enough to hit puberty. Like they use to for those that weren't approved for having kids, like some minorities, the mentally challanged, drunks & addicts, priests & nuns. Cause they'll all cost the tax payer too, right?
Sometimes I feel as if we should jail idiots because of their dangerous thoughts but no, we have to wait for those idiots to act on them 1st. Good thing no one has put you two in charge of anything more than a keyboard.

What's a "weekly handout", Lexy?

You sound like someone who keeps screeming about their taxes going to schools & education just because you don't have any kids that will benifit from it. You should be put to pasture, troll.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 12:06 PM

Any aid to teenagers should be very very conditional..you will be learning a trade, you will be working X hours in a nursing home, or parks department or whatever, depending on criminal history etc...you will be very closely supervised, you will be contributing something to the community which is overburdened already. They should be in parenting classes, have group nurseries, supervised, where they leave babies for a while and take care of each others' babies, their comings and goings and social contacts should be monitered. There should be drug screenings, and in short, it should not be punitive or abusive, but it should be structured, society should get at least something back, the parents should end up with at least a modest trade, and there should be no dens of domestic violence, child neglect, drugs, etc. There should be the equivalent of den mothers to keep an eagle eye on things, and their housing should be inspected periodically. Not too much to ask. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 11:57 AM

GUEST,Lexy seems to know an awful lot about that estate - that most of the people living there are teenage mums living on their own, that none of them work, that they all head out on Friday and Saturday nights, and mostly bring home a strange fella for the night...

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: GUEST,Lexy
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 09:03 AM

Charge the 13 and 15 year old as they both committed a crime. Don't make benefits so handy, let teen mums stay with mum and dad, no more handy weekly handouts. The don't want to prevent teen pregnantices, take the plank out of your eye Barry.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Barry Finn
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 08:31 AM

So it's the goverment policy now that's at fault Lexy? It's a sign of the times? When you were growing up? Please give this a rest! Sex education is the 1st & foremost tool in prevent teen pregnantices, after that a good education. Both the parents & the state is responsible for that. Just saying no is just what it implies, "nothing" & that's a waste of your money.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: GUEST,Lexy
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 08:21 AM

There is an estate close to were I live and it's full of teen mums who live alone. None of these girls work, it doesn't pay them to. Friday amd Saturday nights they dress in very little and head out in packs. Kids probably left alone and wake up next morning to some bloke heading down the stairs after you know what.

When I was growing up mums got their mothers to care for kids while they held down full time jobs. Today thanks to government policy to leave school expecting a kid is a career. Social workers sort out the paperwork, days later you get the keys to a house and the weekly cheque comes in. Nothing is being done about it.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Barry Finn
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 08:11 AM

TruBrit, no I don't advocate for this but (shit happens) once a teen knows they/he/she are gonna become a parent they have a few choices to make & those choices in the end all belong to them, not to any one else. They can ask for help, that would aid them in their making a choice but no one has the right to force a choice on them, they are the ones that will live with the choice, everyone else can walk away if they so choose but they will always the ones to carry the weight.

As I said my cousin was 15 she's now in her 50's she/they grew up young right along side the kids & they are one of the most devoted families I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.

The gripe about someone's taxes or the state taking care of the costs, give me a break. Those people are probably the 1st to screem that sex education is a waste of their hard earned money. The worst of the social diseases is a lack of education. Kids are never to young to learn. They were born to experiment, that's why they sometimes get into difficult situations. We are all (or should be) teachers, only a very few are good enforcers & I've heard from none on this thread.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:36 AM

Good Folk song in there somewhere:-

For he is only 13 yrs,
And I am just 15.
Oh the bonny boy is young,
But he's growing.

I guess like every other situation that crops up in life that causes surprise and doubt etc.... we will just have to wait and see... and I reckon the authorities will be monitoring them to some degree (if they have the resources).
I cared for teanage girls and their babies for over ten years of my career... we had them from as young as eleven (made pregnant at ten by her own father) to eighteen. Most of them arrived pregnant and had their babies at the local maternity hospital....some were brilliant mums... some were good mums... some weren't capable of caring for themselves, never mind children... but often it was the ones we thought wouldn't cope that coped quite adequately with being a mum. It was hard for us to assess who would keep their babies and who would give them up.... so how can anyone judge whether this child will be loved and cared for by its parents.. whatever age?. It is not impossible for a thirteen year old boy to develop a sense of responsibility beyond his years and how often has it been tested.
I guess the parents will have responsibility for all three of them for the time being... I hope they are well enough equipped to 'help' in the bondings of all three.
Once again, let's just wait and see.. because if it doesn't work out, we will hear more of it.. if it does... great..... and I wish them all the joys in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:30 AM

The presumption made in some of the opening posts to this thread that these two young parents will be supported by their parents and that all will be well smacks of being blissfully naive.

This is the boy who when asked how he could support his family financially asked the reporter, "What's financially?".

The boy and girl involved are members of families that basically just let their children run wild - what makes you think that those people will now become responsible parents?

It is a tragedy for all concerned, and as such should be deplored.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Paul Burke
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:13 AM

She's 15, he's 13. Why does this story make me think of Ivor Cutler's Beatrice And her Dirty Knees?

I didn't know they had VD, b-rat, and I didn't know getting married prevented it.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: bubblyrat
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 06:58 AM

Odd,isn't it ?? If the father of the 15 year-old's child had been 18,then he would be facing criminal charges,and,if 50 or over,would doubtless be branded a paedophile.But,because he is only 13, everyone's getting all "Ooooh" and Aaaaaagh" and "How Sweeeet"" and crap like that---it makes me sick !! And yes,people may have got married and had children at a young age in the nineteenth century, we all (or should) know that, but the point is that they got MARRIED (although I don't know about at 15), they didn't go around having multiple partners and infecting each other with venereal disease,and their children were THEIR (or their families') responsibility, not the Taxpayers!No wonder the Muslims,with their strong family ethos and moral ethics,despise us so much !!

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: GUEST,Lexy
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 05:44 AM

Interesting to see what the bill will be to the taxpayer for raising this child and both parents. The government has to do something about this problem. Teenagers get knocked up to get out away from mum and dad and get a free council house and a weekly wage to sit on their ass, or in most cases, to lay on their backs. The country is full of them.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 04:58 AM

From Paula T: "My main argument was that that this is not a new situation.....I don't believe that today's teenagers are any more immoral than in the past."

This was the feeling I had about it as well....I haven't seen it the papers, can't afford any, it just came up briefly on radio 4 (pm, I think). So I haven't seen any of the details

I know a 12 year old lad who in the last 2 years has shot up to 6 foot something, his voice has broken etc etc. I know that's early, but I'm sure he'd be capable of fathering a child, though I don't suppose he would.

The age of average marriage has gone up and down over the centuries, from my quite extensive reading of social history - I think to say it was always much earlier than now is too sweeping, but I think that the present situation is leaving things a bit late.

I had my son & daughter at 22/23, which meant that by the time they were booted out to university at 19, I was able to look at some extensive "me" time, which I'm now enjoying.
They've chosen to wait (in one case) till 35. Granddaughter hits puberty as daughter hits the menopause - not a good combination, IMO.

Paws

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Penny S.
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 03:47 AM

Having seen the picture of the father, I have a number of doubts. Nine months after the event, he has no facial changes to imply anything approaching sexual maturity. How could his testosterone levels be high enough to release sperm if not high enough even to cause acne? No bone changes, no facial hair. Is he the father? Isn't it odd for a 14 year old girl to feel attracted to someone two years her junior. As I recall, it's two years older that draws the attention.
They both come from large families which seem on the feckless side. This isn't a society wide problem. There are a few families where children may seek comfort in early sexual behaviour.
I have seen boys who early in their teens do look physically mature - I've seen one at 9 who had me suspecting that the body builders he hung out with had been feeding him steroids. His muscles and body shape, and taut face looked older, but he had no body hair or other development. This lad shows none of that sort of thing. I have doubts.
Penny

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 01:26 AM

But Barry - you wouldn't advocate in principle for starting out on life as a parent at 15 - would you -- even though sometimes it can work

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: paula t
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 08:52 PM

It has just been on the TV news!What can i say? A complete interview with the "Proud grandparents"(Who won't of course make any money from selling their story...)and the new parents- who will not yet have realised the possible consequences of all this publicity.

Where are the "Responsible editors"?