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Show of Hands - Bellowhead

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Subject: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Vic Smith
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:14 AM

SHOW OF HANDS - BELLOWHEAD


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:21 AM

Link didn't work for me Vic.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:24 AM

It worked for me! :0)

SOOOO funny! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

(apart from the folk award bit, of course..ahem...)

I bet Jackie'll get her own back on you....in fact, methinks you is a marked man.. ;0)

Spluttering wildly down here in the West Country!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Vic Smith
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:28 AM

Dave Hanson wrote -
Link didn't work for me Vic.


Try this one, Dave
SHOW OF HANDS - BELLOWHEAD


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:47 AM

1st link broke
2nd link broke my ribs i laughed so hard.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 17 May 09 - 11:04 AM

This was actually made by Steve and Phil.... all publicity is good publicity!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 17 May 09 - 11:11 AM

Hysterical. Cheers!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 May 09 - 11:14 AM

Oh wondrous! Just had to rate this 5 stars on YT...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 May 09 - 12:27 PM

"This was actually made by Steve and Phil.... all publicity is good publicity!"

Oh....well, in that case, I can even laugh at the bits that I thought I really shouldn't! :0)

VERY funny. If you've not opened it yet, OPEN IT!! And if you can't get Youtube on your 'pooter, go round to someone who can!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 May 09 - 12:33 PM

Are you *sure* it was made by them? Or are you pulling our legs? ;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 17 May 09 - 01:19 PM

That is excellent. 'If I'd wanted pub singers I'd have booked ... '


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 17 May 09 - 01:42 PM

Of course I made it up. It is a very funny video, but I'm sure that some of the humour( and certainly some of the reactions) is sparked by schadenfreude.
   Why are some people so offended that some very good musicians, who did the folk club trail for years, have made good! In Buddhism 'Mudita' is the quality of joy at the achievement of others, rather than jealousy or ill will. Try it, it makes life brighter.
    I posted that little fib to check those who were sniggering down their sleeves rather than laughing out loud, as I did, to the inventiveness of the film.
    SoH are playing tonight at the Exmouth Pavilion, seats 500, sold out weeks ago, could have been 4 times that. No ticket, so will enjoy Topsham Folk Club instead. It sounds like some correspondents would wish SoH to still be doing floor spots at Topsham and Exmouth, and dreaming of what might have been. They've made it! be generous! Rejoice!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 17 May 09 - 01:44 PM

The funniest thing I have seen since Victor Meldrew found the cat in the freezer!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 May 09 - 01:49 PM

OH!!   What a *refreshing* post to see on Mudcat, Tug...YIPPPEEE!!! I hope everyone in Exmouth enjoys the show, I'm sure they will...watching those two local lads made good.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say..

Absolutely...REJOICE!

..and I kinda knew you were making it up..honest... ;0)



Lizzie The Gullible. LOL :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 17 May 09 - 02:08 PM

Now the rest of us know what Joan Crump looks like....cute moustache *LOL*


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 May 09 - 03:24 PM

Ah yes.... :0) LOL

'I vould rather stick pinz in mein eyez zan listen to za moozik of Show of Hans!'

(Sorry, falling off my chair over here, with giggles)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Barden of England
Date: 17 May 09 - 03:40 PM

Priceless!!!

John Barden


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 17 May 09 - 04:04 PM

"Now the rest of us know what Joan Crump looks like....cute moustache *LOL*"

That's the bit that ain't so funny - I missed that implication first time round.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Gweltas
Date: 17 May 09 - 04:10 PM

This was really hilarious and such a wickedly clever idea, brilliantly executed. Thanks a million for posting the link, Vic. It has been quite while since I have had such a good laugh!

However, on a more serious note, I'm wondering if the original film makers, from whose film this clip was "borrowed", would have a case for infringement of copyright and misuse of material ? The only reason I mention this is that I found another clip on you tube last night which seriously abuses and misuses recording of a song written by a friend of mine, which it turns out was used without requesting prior permission from the author, who has now alerted you tube regarding copyright infringement and requested that it is deleted forthwith.
I've sent him this link to cheer him up ! LOL


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 17 May 09 - 04:20 PM

This is an unnatural thread. The backlash should have started by now. Joy - support - nitpicks - doubt - anger - sides - equilibrium: that's the way it is here. Will someone please pick a nit, it feels weird.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 17 May 09 - 04:32 PM

"That's the bit that ain't so funny - I missed that implication first time round."

ya do have to have a sense of humour around here....


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 17 May 09 - 04:47 PM

I didn't miss the implication nor do I find it funny.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 17 May 09 - 06:02 PM

I didn't miss the implication nor do I find it funny.

Oh goody. Everything's going according to the script.

Any minute now . . .


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 17 May 09 - 07:44 PM

I missed the implication ( sorry Joan Crump, don't know who you are) at the risk of starting some flaming going off, could someone explain to someone who is clearly not part of the in-crowd.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 17 May 09 - 07:54 PM

Well, the thread was started by someone who runs a traditional club, and has had posts from people who have disagreed with each other on previous threads.

I suspect people are reading more into the thread than was originally intended. Joan Crump is the Artistic Director for Sidmouth Folk Festival (and a Mudcat member).

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 17 May 09 - 07:59 PM

Ah, simples, thanks Kitty.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 17 May 09 - 08:01 PM

Yeh, I was a little supriswed to see Vic posting this, unless he just thinks it's funny and deserves to be enjoyed. he normally supports SoH, as on current froots and folk clubs thread.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Cllr
Date: 17 May 09 - 08:28 PM

I love SoH and Bellowhead, I nearly fell fell off my chair laughing.
I have seen a number of treatments of this film - one on blogging and another on wow are the best IMHO anyway thanks for posting it.
cllr


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Phil Beer
Date: 17 May 09 - 08:36 PM

Not Guilty I'm afraid. It wasn't me M'Lud. Very funny though. Best laugh I've had for a while.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Zimmerman
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:21 PM

Diane Easby

nor do I find it funny

You're not fooling anybody - this has your fingerprints all over it. Fair play to you though - who'd have thought you had a sense of humour.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 May 09 - 12:54 AM

As I already commented earlier on another thread, I am wondering how exactly the current Sidmouth organising committee feels about being likened to the 3rd Reich.

Top of my A-list of who might have produced this vid is someone scarcely likely to have collaborated with me, though you'd all have had my complete absence from proceedings categorically confirmed the moment the ridiculously-named "Zimmerperson" started flinging out wildly-off-beam accusations yet again about me, who he knows neither from Adam (nor Eve).

I don't actually find The Producers wildly funny either. But at least that was a Mel Brooks personal choice and not an unwarranted attack on someone who has striven long and hard to raise the level of tradarts programming here in England.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:39 AM

I love these moments. I like to wave at them as they pass by.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Marje
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:41 AM

Thanks for posting that, Vic, it's really set me up for the day! Great stuff, I'm still grinning.

Marje


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Shaw Farmer
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:59 AM

Seth Lakeman! a cream guzzling pasty head! RAOFLMAO!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 18 May 09 - 06:34 AM

The evil of the Third Reich may be, to some extent, ceremonially diffused by appropriate humour. This doesn't do that - rather it lifts it into another context altogether and by doing do trivialises the deaths of millions. This is is not funny in the slightest - it is vile, and it is shameful.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 18 May 09 - 06:40 AM

Oh dear.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 18 May 09 - 07:12 AM

This is one of the rare times I disagree with S O'P. Not on whether the thing is funny or not - the sequence has become one of the internet subtitle standards for whatever send-up you fancy - but the error was in making such a film in the first place.

Some events are beyond art, especially popular cinema, and re-writing them for anctors in wigs and costume was pathetic. It invites pastiche for the tastelessness of the original film.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Joe P
Date: 18 May 09 - 07:31 AM

'Some events are beyond art, especially popular cinema, and re-writing them for anctors in wigs and costume was pathetic. It invites pastiche for the tastelessness of the original film. '

Which events are you specifically referring to? Either way, surely revisiting such events as the holocaust, the rise and fall of the 3rd Reich etc through film and other art forms, is sometimes the only way to communicate the seriousness of such things to a new generation. History lessons and documentaries just dont do it for some people, and not having films like this will reduce the understanding of the events that could so easily repeat themselves.

Whether people should profit from such films is a different matter.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 May 09 - 07:52 AM

There are over a hundred Bruno Ganz as Hitler memes, audio and video snatchings from Downfall, the 2004 German film. What makes this one particularly distasteful is that it purports to represent people   known to us who are merely trying to run a festival, not a political campaign, fer chrissake. I mentioned The Producers before as just a bit iffy on the pastiche front, but that film was meant to ridicule evil through tastelessness. This is a step much further as it implies a lot more than shambolic lack of organisation (not that I would concede even this failing upon the present Sidmouth team).

It is the wrong way to satirise the shortcomings of music programming and should not have been made. But as it has been, I deplore the OP's decision to give it publicity.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: LesB
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:08 AM

Oh ye of the unpronouncable gaelic sounding name. Get a life!
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:14 AM

So let's see: the story so far. Show Of Hands think its funny and the person running Sidmouth thinks it funny and so do lots of viewers judging by comments here there and everywhere, apart from Deirdre Spart and some person named after a garden creeper. Any word from the Bellowhead camp?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:19 AM

I first saw the film used in a similar vein but the protagonists were Sheffield United and West Ham.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Zimmerman
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:35 AM

OK Diane, I was only joking when I fingered you as a conspiritor in the making of the clip. It was the Show Of Hands reference that made you an irresitible target.

It couldn't have been you - you've got the bile but not the guile.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:45 AM

Have I?

What I surely do have are the ears never to make the mistake of scripting that SoH never play out of tune.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:55 AM

Oh ye of the unpronouncable gaelic sounding name. Get a life!

You wouldn't know life if it fucked you up the arse - which is presumably why you fund this deplorable bullshit in some way acceptable.

As for the pronunciation: Sweeney O'Pibroch.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Nicholas Waller
Date: 18 May 09 - 10:38 AM

"Some events are beyond art" -

Good idea, but which ones, and who is to say? We probably need some sort of National Committee to issue licences to soi-disant artists.

Then we can weed out those aiming to make money from entertainments constructed of unacceptable material - child abuse and murder, warfare, rape, religion, domestic violence, unfair social relations, mining & shipping accidents and natural catastrophes and so on - backed up with lethal legal force.

Andy Hamilton informed us on Have I Got News For You last week that he was chided by clear-thinking Government minister Hazel Blears, who said that clever "wordsmiths" like him shouldn't go around offending people by deploying their fancy words.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 18 May 09 - 10:57 AM

All Quiet on the Western Front, Dreyer's Joan of Arc, Paths of Glory are films that handled history with greatness. This looked like a loada crap from the fancy dress shop.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 May 09 - 11:12 AM

Have you seen the whole film? I have: it's shocking, gripping, disturbing, strongly acted and filmed. The subjects are certainly not glorified: the message is very clear

But I still didn't mind the SOH Bellowhead clip. Not only is it funny in itself, but by taking the scene out of context it by-the-by reduces the original participants to ridiculous cartoon characters, no bad thing on a different level. But not how the scene works in the film.

It's back to that thing about the difference between intentionally giving offence and deciding to gratuitously take it. The latter is a self-important luxury.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 May 09 - 11:12 AM

Very funny. Perfectly tasteful. Not rude to Joan Crump at all. That's my opinion.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 18 May 09 - 11:21 AM

Der Untergang (Downfall as we pirates say) be Oscar nominated and did win galleons of awards. Not all treasure is silver and gold, mate.

Downfall


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 18 May 09 - 11:25 AM

This is the fourth or fifth reworked version of this scene from Downfall that I've seen; as Diane says, there are tons of them out there.

I think it's hilarious, precisely because it trivialises Hitler - it turns one of the most evil men of the twentieth century into a shouty man throwing a strop over not very much. To quote from this blog post*, "We confront fascism in the same way we confront every threat to our freedom and our way of life: We point and laugh at it."

And, obviously, I don't think it's a slur on Joan C. If there's anyone reading this who really hates SOH, really loves Bellowhead, doesn't have much of a sense of humour and really liked that bit with the girl who gets her kit off, then perhaps that video is a bit of a dig at you, sir. But mostly I think it's just anti-people taking things too seriously and getting worked up over not very much - and of course anti-Nazi.

*That post, incidentally, accompanied a version of the film in which Hitler's outraged because his BNP membership has been leaked.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: LesB
Date: 18 May 09 - 12:07 PM

"You wouldn't know life if it fucked you up the arse - which is presumably why you fund this deplorable bullshit in some way acceptable. As for the pronunciation: Sweeney O'Pibroch"

Methinks Sweeney isn't a very nice person.

Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Sedayne (Astray)
Date: 18 May 09 - 12:09 PM

We confront fascism in the same way we confront every threat to our freedom and our way of life: We point and laugh at it.

We confront such evils by being aware of how deeply they are rooted - and we justly tremble at what every day human beings have been proven capable of in the name of belief, ideology, orthodoxy, consensus and authority. We do not laugh at them - we take them (and therefore ourselves) very seriously indeed. We trivialise history at our peril.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Sedayne (Astray)
Date: 18 May 09 - 12:19 PM

Methinks Sweeney isn't a very nice person

For pointing an the affront to humanity represented by this ridiculous piece of 'in-humour' I was told to get a life. My response was was, therefore, as intermediate as it was ill-considered. I apologise for any offence caused, but I don't find Hitler nor his particular brand of anti-Semitism particularly amusing.

O'Piobaireachd


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: LesB
Date: 18 May 09 - 12:37 PM

Thanks, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Vic Smith
Date: 18 May 09 - 12:46 PM

Well, you can all stop arguing now, because if you follow that link you will now get the response -

This video has been removed by the user.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Fran
Date: 18 May 09 - 12:55 PM

Has been re posted here SOH Bellowhead


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 May 09 - 12:55 PM

...but still available Here

:)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: NormanD
Date: 18 May 09 - 01:06 PM

In case any latecomers want to see this spoof, it's too late. YouTube now says: "This video has been removed by the user".

But since when has the inability to see something prevented you from steaming in?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Vic Smith
Date: 18 May 09 - 01:09 PM

Fran wrote -
Has been re posted here


Obviously a perfectionist has prepared this - the caption which used to say -

The bastards have us over a barrell we'll have to take them

has now been corrected to say barrel and there are other minor corrections.

Has anyone any idea who made wrote these subtitles? I'd be very interested in knowing the identity.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 May 09 - 01:40 PM



Why? I haven't laughed so much for a long time and probably won't again until brown is voted out of a position he was never voted into!!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Out For The Count
Date: 18 May 09 - 01:53 PM

I'm so glad it's still available, it's priceless, and I honestly doubt it was intended to offend anyone - I'm lucky enough to know Joan Crump, and I suspect her sense of humour is developed enough to appreciate the video, even when people are imitating her;

Ah yes.... :0) LOL

'I vould rather stick pinz in mein eyez zan listen to za moozik of Show of Hans!'


It seems that for someone playing the victim so regularly, Lizzie Cornish isn't a stranger to a bit of healthy victimisation herself. *:0)!!!*


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 02:15 PM

Ah, but I've never been their victim, only ever their 'prey' :0)

Believe you me, I've had the Folk SS after me for a VERY long time. I guess that's why I find it so hilarious...and somehow, so incredibly liberating too.

:0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 02:20 PM

"I guess that's why I find it so hilarious...and somehow, so incredibly liberating too."


..er..the video that is.

And I find it liberating because at *last* there is *someone* out there who sees it all exactly as I do, exactly as others have done for so very long, and they've had the guts to stand up and say it, albeit in a very humourous and clever way...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 May 09 - 02:31 PM

Do they, Lizzie? Or are you reading into the video what you WISH was in it?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 02:46 PM

Sorry, Joan, you'll have to speak a little louder, I'm giggling so much that I can't hear very well...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 May 09 - 02:55 PM

Well at least that explains your appalling taste in music.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 18 May 09 - 02:55 PM

I want to know who is this Frozen Gin that made the comment about Ruth Archer and the cute moustache. Seems to know alot about Ruth for someone who only started posting 11 May.

Do I detect some hidden hyjinks here?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 May 09 - 02:59 PM

Umm, Tam: *whispers* I don't actually have a moustache...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:00 PM

"Well at least that explains your appalling taste in music."

Nope, I still can't hear you I'm afraid...

I've just to the part where he asks everyone who went to the Albert Hall gig to leave the room, and 98% of them go out, leaving the mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded, humourless, insensitive b*stards in the room, to plan what happens next....

Oh Lawdy, I've not laughed so much since...since...since Show of Hands and Seth Lakmen got in under the radar that night, dressed all in black...and took the Folk World by STORM!

Viva la Revolucion! :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:03 PM

Lizzie, I'm happy to say your interpretation is shared by...well, you, pretty much.

I found it hilarious.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:04 PM

"Umm, Tam: *whispers* I don't actually have a moustache..."

LOL!
I'd love to say 'toupe', but I'll try not to...
Sorry :-/


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:12 PM

the Folk SS

Of fer f***s sake! Lizzie: you'd know if the SS had been after you - you'd be breathing gas in rather than blowing it out of every orifice. You are not just stupid and immensely irritating, you have no taste or sensitivity whatsoever. You really do need psychiatric help.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:15 PM

OMG! That's not what I meant at all. Cripes! Only that Frozen Gin must be a cat in cognito because s/he knows you organise the Sidmouth festival.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Zimmerman
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:19 PM

If it wasn't Diane that made the video then it must be Sid Kipper...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:23 PM

Tam - no harm done. It's all good. :)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:29 PM

youtube says that the video has been removed by the user.

?

:(


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:31 PM

I've just to the part where he asks everyone who went to the Albert Hall gig to leave the room, and 98% of them go out, leaving the mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded, humourless, insensitive b*stards in the room, to plan what happens next....

You mean all the mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded, humourless, insensitive b*stards who want to book SoH, Lizzie? If you are following the sketch properly you will see that everyone in the room, apart from Adolph himself, are suggesting that SoH would be a suitable replacement for Bellowhead. What is mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded and humourless about that? I thought you liked SoH?

DeG


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:38 PM

youtube says that the video has been removed by the user.

Do keep up at the back there. Always best to read earlier posting before making a complete Lizzie of yourself ;-)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:51 PM

"OMG! That's not what I meant at all."

And with you're famed 'Mirkin' and all?! What's all the fuss about a ladies faux tash? ;-)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 May 09 - 03:56 PM

From: David el Gnomo

You mean all the mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded, humourless, insensitive b*stards who want to book SoH, Lizzie? If you are following the sketch properly you will see that everyone in the room, apart from Adolph himself, are suggesting that SoH would be a suitable replacement for Bellowhead. What is mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded and humourless about that? I thought you liked SoH?

Dave, you are looking for consistency. Not something Lizzie is particularly famous for.

For instance she must have left Mudcat - never to darken its doors again, more times than most people would bother to remember.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:14 PM

I think away with the fairies is a good expression

:D (eG)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:20 PM

"are suggesting that SoH would be a suitable replacement for Bellowhead"

Hmm. Bellowhead are an excellent goodtime band who perform trad and non-trad material entertainingly and accessibly. Show of Hands are a folk send-up sketch written by a Radio 4 comedy writers and Roots - especially the video - must win an award as most hilarious nu-olde England pastiche for mixing rock histrionics with Farming Today footage.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:30 PM

Sorry guys, now I can't hear *any* of you...Oh, this is so weird....

Rendered deaf as a post because of giggles...

Who'd a thought it, huh?   :0)

I zink zat maybe Herr Flick is a member of.....of....ze GDFSS SS....zo maybe he iz therefore not a Show of Hans fan.

I zink zat Helga and ze fallen madonna viz ze big boobiez are, zo, and....zat zey 'ave zer Show of Hans posters all over zer valls.

:0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:34 PM

From Lizzie:

"And I find it liberating because at *last* there is *someone* out there who sees it all exactly as I do,"

Well interestingly, here's an excerpt from a message I was just sent on Youtube by "Bulverton", the originator and poster of the clip:

"Hi Joan,
It was intended as a light hearted riposte to Jon Boden's comment at the end of their London Burlesque show that "You don't get that at a Show of Hands gig!"
I notice with astonishment that some have taken it as a slur on your excellent
running of Sidmouth Folk week.

I hope you haven't been given any grief from that quarter and am sorry if you have."


And no, I'm not going to reveal the person's name! They want to keep you all guessing for a while longer... :)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:44 PM

Heehee!

I love it!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:50 PM

If your implication is that I'm lying, Lizzie, then the person who made the video is free to come here and say so, aren't they?

In any case, I'm not the one with a history of delusional lies and multiple Mudcat identities.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:54 PM

Sorry..I can't even type anymore...laughing too much! Every time I watch it, the tears start...It's the funniest thing I've seen in sooooooooooooooooooo long!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 05:06 PM

It's *almost* as funny as when Mel Ledgard, the Smooth Ops host of the BBC F&A board said, on the BBC, that the 'Best Live Act'category was no longer going to be open to a public vote...'because Show of Hands would just keep winning it'

:0) :0) :0)


The FIRST EVER Public Vote...and Show of Hands had the audacity to win it!   Not only that, but 'they' had they sh*te put up them so far, and so fast...that within DAYS of Show of Hands winning that Public Vote, they'd changed the ENTIRE system!

That made me roar with laughter! Gawd that was so funny! You could actually *smell* the panic coming out of the computer!

"Herr Flick, ve ave a problem!!!!! Show of Hans 'ave von ze public vote! Vot shall ve do?"

"Simple. Ve'll flood ze messageboards viz rumours zat SoH fixed ze vote. Ve will get our No 1 Agent, Fraulein Easbee to do ze dirty deed. She iz my favourite agent. Zen, ven ze dust has settled, ve vill vote Bellowhead in as Best Live Act!"

"But, Herr Flick, Bellowhead 'ave only performed live vonce or twice!"

"No matter, I vill zee to it zat it happenz, 'ave no fear. I am not ze owner of ze fallen madonna viz ze big boobies, for nuzzink!"


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Gervase
Date: 18 May 09 - 05:19 PM

'kinell.
I went to a SoH gig last month and it was full of Daily Mail readers and sing-a-long-Knightly groupies. I've never consciously met Ms Cornish, but I saw plenty like her. If that's the future of 'folk', it's fucked.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 05:23 PM

Heehee!

I always know when the Folkengrupen's are rattled, as the insults become more hilarious by the message..


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 18 May 09 - 05:33 PM

Actually LC, SoH are really crap and I'm fond of the very occasional bit of folk lite. Even my missus used industrial language after watching the Roots vid. When he does that rapper thing and the pot throwing bit out of Ghost and the young farmers. Grim stuff.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 May 09 - 05:34 PM

Ah well, small things amuse small minds I suppose...:-D


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 May 09 - 05:57 PM

There's lots of "whodunnit" discussion on the Froots Forum with most of the obvious suspects coming in to deny it, and better still no trolls so far.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 18 May 09 - 06:26 PM

'Actually LC, SoH are really crap and I'm fond of the very occasional bit of folk lite.'

Although I would not in any way want to support to Lizzie's somewhat obsessive views I think calling SoH crap is a bit strong - you may not like them, glueman, which is fair enough, but to insult other people's taste seems a bit judgemental. Mind you I never understand what motivates some of the more extreme insults to artists that some people seem to consider to be ettiquette on this (and other boards). There are artists I do not like at all but describing them as crap when may people love them would suggest that they had no right to their enjoyment.

Just for the record I saw SoH do my favourite folk gig gig of recent years at Shrewsbury and Bellowhead were a close third after Blowzbella at Musicport. I also think the video is one of the funniest thing I have seen and I cannot imagine anyone lampooned taking offence but then I'm originally from Hartlepool and you wouldn't survive for long without a thick skin! I also think that the video also serves to ridicule the Nazis rather than anyone referred to in the subtitles.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 06:57 PM

Panic Ye Not, I'm not obsessive...I just stand up for what I believe in, that's all. I truly don't have a SoH duvet, jimmyjams, teddy bears or wallpaper, nor a matching range in Seth Lakeman, although...The Oysterband...now there's something I'm not owning up to... ;0)

I just know great musicians when I hear 'em....Ooh, talking of which.....

'Cousin Jack' - Show of Hands, Miranda Sykes and Fishermen Friends at Otterton Mill

From Joan:

"Well at least that explains your appalling taste in music."

Is it a leeeetle disturbing that the artistic director of Sidmouth Folk Week said that to me, yet, she's booked some of the *appalling* music I love, for Sidmouth this year?

Oysterband, Genticorum, Steve Knightley, The Dhol Foundation, Demon Barbers etc.etc.etc.....

Pretty darn insulting to all those artists, but...heyho, such has Sidmouth Folk Week become.

'You don't get this at Otley'

:0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 May 09 - 07:07 PM

Lizzie, your musical taste is splattered diarrhoetically all over the internet. With such a vast and undiscerning scattergun approach to music, you are bound to hit a target once in a while.

To be perfectly clear, I am not insulting any of the artists I have booked; I am insulting you.



I wish I could be there to see the look on your face when you find out who it was that said

"I notice with astonishment that some have taken it as a slur on your excellent running of Sidmouth Folk week.

I hope you haven't been given any grief from that quarter and am sorry if you have."

I really do.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:44 PM

Joe, I understand where yer coming from, just stop hanging monkeys.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:50 PM

Oh dear, this thread is clearly degenerating into the mudwrangle/shitecat trading of insults between the inadequate that makes me sometimes despair of a thread that can be sustained without being hijacked.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:58 PM

"I wish I could be there to see the look on your face when you find out who it was that said..."

You should have been here to see my face when I read your message.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:20 AM

Now that's all sorted, I look out of the window as a new day dawns and watch the two most hated characters in Britain (the House of Commons speaker and madlizziecornish) whooshing off to oblivion in a one-way spacecraft.

Hope someone's remembered to pack their vilest CD selections in the hold.
Only one question for the Sidmouth organisers: you have taken all possible flood precautions? Haven't you?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:37 AM

Ah, but you don't know what I already know... ;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:40 AM

That would be the long-range weather report for the South-West in August?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:45 AM

If Sidmouth floods, I expect to leave you standing on the beach with absolutely no name at all, watching me sail away on my ship and then I'll shout the name back to you. Savvy?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:51 AM

"That would be the long-range weather report for the South-West in August?"

Nope. :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:56 AM

Joe G, the only reason I voiced an opinion on the band was because they seem to have slipped under the net as 'interesting' or even 'the future of folk' to which I can't top Gervase's opinion above. They are the 'Hooked on Classics' of the folk world, folk for people who hate folk music but then, no-one ever went broke underestimating the British public. Roots is both patronising and distasteful but exploits a ready audience - the one that says people can't make up their own mind what they listen to, that imported music is bad and there's still an homogenous English culture if only we could recognise it and that culture resembles 'Roots'. That's just laughable - and slightly scary.

Nations that keep inherited cultural values do so because they are easily identifiable and have strong 'roots'. For me, those roots do not resemble a Daily Mail editorial.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:10 AM

no-one ever went broke underestimating the British public

Sadly true. It constantly eludes me why SoH feel they need to pander to the lowest common denominator when, individually, they are fine musicians capable of infinitely better. I can understand the dark one not wanting to go back to giving guitar lessons to Polly Harvey but they could surely devise other ways of not actually going broke yet preserving some integrity.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: theleveller
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:12 AM

2the two most hated characters in Britain (the House of Commons speaker and madlizziecornish)2

Oh, how fickle! Have we forgotten Fred Goodwin already? And then, of course, there's that most unpleasnat of people, UKIP MEP, Godfrey Bloom. UGH!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:16 AM

It constantly eludes me how Show of Hands have risen to the top of the Folk World, gaining the respect of so many tens of thousands of people, so many other fine musicians, helping so many young traditional artists up the ladder, without ONCE taking your advice...

Strange, huh?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:40 AM

I don't suppose the entity that is SoH would have risen to top the South-West pub circuit if they'd asked my advice on whether they should try it because I'd have said no, stick to what you do well. However, having not done a gig since the early 70s I'd look askance at anyone silly enough to seek my views on how to perform.

Commentators don't advise, they analyse. Not that it takes much of that to recognise that Beer & Knightley avoid going broke by underplaying what they might achieve musically because they have a ready-made audience that laps it up.

Still, who can envisage what alternative careers in other branches of the creative arts might await them?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:53 AM

Well, I guess if they'd asked your advice, they'd be doing floor spots, with fingers in their ears, turning out the same old traditional songs, song after song after song..

As it is, they went their own way, wrote their OWN songs, played traditional ones with a vibrancy never heard before and...instead of staying part of a tiny, narrow minded world, they expanded the English Folk World beyond even their belief...

And they did it THEIR way, not yours.



Maybe The Spirits kept the three of you apart for a reason....

Fate, huh?
;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:58 AM

Oh...and I have to go out for about 3 hours now, sooooo....just in case The Revealing should happen shortly, I thought I'd best let you know, as I didn't want you sitting there, thinking I was sitting here in stunned shock...

;0)

In the meantime, to keep you entertained....:0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 19 May 09 - 06:35 AM

So that's what Show of Hands sound like - I've often wondered...

English Roots? Give me Jim Eldon any day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2u1SMdJ9a8


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 May 09 - 06:40 AM

Lizzie you are predictable. Fancy you posting a link to a video of Roots by SOH. No, I haven't looked - I just know that's what you would do.

"I hope you haven't been given any grief from that quarter and am sorry if you have."

Beer or Knightley?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 19 May 09 - 06:48 AM

Jim Eldon and Kate Rusby do Georgio Moroder and Donna Summer. Folk is united and we get a definitive English version of I Feel Love.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Will Fly
Date: 19 May 09 - 07:12 AM

Out of curiosity, I took a short peek at the YouTube video of the "Roots" song.

Not my cup of tea, but it was interesting to see how the YouTube comments trail was attracting quite a bit of BNP support and anti-BNP reaction.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Gervase
Date: 19 May 09 - 07:52 AM

I've got a lot of time for Steve Knightly and Phil Beer as individuals.

Phil is an extremely good musician who gives a huge amount of his time to helping other musicians and venues, particularly in the South West and who, with commendable modesty, doesn't make a song and dance about it.
Similarly, Steve is an excellent songwriter and a good performer.

It's just that, as Show of Hands, I find their material hackneyed (or, in the case of the covers, often dimply dull) and their production values both samey and OTT - does there have to be so much echo/sustain on everything Steve sings, for example?

What really gets my goat, however, are the audiences - comparing a SoH crowd to a Bellowhead crowd is like comparing a coach outing for Daily-Mail reading Saga louts with a real cross section of ages, colours, classes and creeds. I might be approaching my Saga years myself, but I know which crowd I'd rather be with...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: theleveller
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:25 AM

"What really gets my goat, however, are the audiences "

Why? What's wrong with people listening to the music they enjoy, whatever their age? I think it's ridiculous to compare the two bands; they simply take a completely different approach to folk music and it is perfectly possible to like both (I do) and, from my experience, I see the same people in the audiences for both.

Just because you, personally, don't like one band or the other doesn't mean that they are any less accomplished. There are plenty of highly accomplished folk musicians whose style I don't enjoy, but that doesn't mean I would imply they aren't good musicians. One man's meat, horses for courses etc.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:51 AM

The Voice Of Reason - at long last! Thanks Leveller, you beat me to it.

Too much of this thread smacks of schoolgirl-playground-yah-boo-sucks. As it happens, I like one of the two bands in question, I hate the other, but I'm happy for those who like the one I dislike - if it's what turns them on, great, go for it!

It's a big world, there's plenty of space for all kinds of music and all levels of performer, and it would be a boting place if everyone liked the same artite(s). Instead of sticking pins in small effigies of one another, why not simply celebrate all that's great and good in the musical world?

You know it makes sense.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:52 AM

boting?? WTF? boring!!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:54 AM

artiste(s). F***in' hell! Dyslexic Fingers!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:55 AM

Now then - is it possible to go back into one of your own posts on Mudcat and edit mis-spelings? Anyone know?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Will Fly
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:01 AM

Sorry Wackboodsman - ist nto posiblee...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,dan leno
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:01 AM

Oh for the love of whoever. Both bands good if you think so. Clip hysterically funny. Folkies too up their own arses in some cases. Lighten up. (Jeez, bet the Boosh don't have fans like these...)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:03 AM

"Instead of sticking pins in small effigies of one another, why not simply celebrate all that's great and good in the musical world?"

Couldn't agree more leveller and backwoodsman..

And THAT is *exactly* what I've been trying to get 'them' to think about for the past five years or so. This continuous hatred for various artists, in the English folk world has always puzzled, upset and eventually...pissed me off!

I love ALL kinds of folk music, be it traditional, folk rock, acappella, vibrant folk, or orgasmic folk...What the f*lk does it matter? Why this constant group of people who want to hurt and wound, put down, belittle and denigrate...?

I don't have rules, I don't have boundaries, I simply love great music! And *if* I come across music that doesn't do a great deal for me, as in the musicians who are performing it, then I'd rather keep my mouth shut and not mention it, instead of the vitriol that gets poured out over SoH, Kate and Seth.

I can assure people that The Oysterband have fans who are *anything* BUT 'Daily Mail' readers...yet many, MANY of them now love the music of Steve and Phil..and love it even more when The Oysterband and Show of Hands team up at gigs. I've seen them all performing together, jumped up and down with The Oyster fans to the combined music of the two bands and I know that people of all ages, all walks of life, love it all!

Include, never Exclude..

And...if you can't say anything nice about musicians, then best not to say anything at all, particularly if you're in the Festival Business, and choose to visit messageboards in your Festival Organiser hat.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:04 AM

Well, back to the video...

I thought it was tremendous fun and bloody clever, so whoever actually did do it, hats off to 'em.

As for SoH - utterly brilliant. (But only with Miranda Sykes though)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:17 AM

if you can't say anything nice about musicians, then best not to say anything at all,

Scene: outside the Bedford in Sidmouth,
madlizziecornish: Through one window are musicians, through the other, PJD.
And so on . . .

Actually, I'm intervening here merely to forestall Frau Krump from entering the fray with her Festival Artistic Director hat on.
Point is, madlizziecornish, what grounds have you to utter a single word about artistic merit and creative programming?

Exactly.

Do go away and read the message Simon Care, with exemplary patience, has written for you on the EFDSS thread.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:19 AM

PS Any word on when SoH are recruiting their black lesbian piper?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:20 AM

LOL Will! Sory too here taht.
Muts tyre hadrer ni futrue. :-)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: theleveller
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:22 AM

"I can assure people that The Oysterband have fans who are *anything* BUT 'Daily Mail' readers"

We're the ones shouting "Bastards" in Bells of Rhymney.

"Socialism's orphan child,
Unimpressed, unreconciled
Some people think I'm crazy, but I'm not"


Or am I?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:22 AM

Lizzie, I have not been a contributor to Mudcat for 3 months, largely because you and your vendettas scare the shit out of me. I only joined in on this thread because of the backhanded and nasty swipes being made by you at me and the festival that I work for. I decided not to be bullied by you any more.

As someone who works in the industry, Mudcat can be quite a dangerous place, thanks to you and one or tweo other cranks. Poor Ian Anderson bore with great dignity your character assassination of him on another thread last week - your response to his silence was to keep chipping away, to keep goading.

As someone astutely observed up the thread, if the object of your vendetta responds, you instantly play the victim.

Why you are allowed to constantly make vicious, wholesale (not to mention largely ill-informed and slanderous) attacks on people whose only crime is to work their arses off in the folk industry, I have no idea. You had another go at EFDSS recently as well, and were forced to acknowledge within that thread that you have never been to CSH, nor do you have any direct experience of the organisation. So why the endless attacks? Why cant you just giuve it a bloody rest?

Be under no illusion: Show of Hands have no issues with me. I have no issues with them. It's all one big folkie love-in. The only one shit-stirring here is you. Stop it now.

That's it - I'm outta here.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Smedley
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:25 AM

PS Any word on when SoH are recruiting their black lesbian piper?

-------------------------------------

No idea, but this unsubtle but funny jibe at tokenism irresistibly reminds me of the presence of Bishi at the Women of Albion concert I saw in Brighton last year. She ticked all the 'equal opps' boxes but heavens to betsy her songs were ghastly. A good example of when well-intentioned political point-scoring overrode taste and talent.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:29 AM

OK, I need to clear something up....

This is taken from the thread below, on the fRoots board, written by Diane:

The fRoots thread on this video

"....My original reservation was not that the adaptation was purposely aimed at those involved in organising Sidmouth (and I am quite certain that it was not), but that A Certain Resident would try to use it as such. Which has indeed occurred but I feel the tide (ha!) has indeed at last turned irrevocably against such a narrow, airheaded, embarrassing-to-performers stance.

If the perpetrator's efforts have indeed achieved that too, all hats are hurled as high as possible into the ether, waving Fare Unwell to both the HoC Speaker and the Mad Sidmouth Seagull on their interstellar, one-way journey to oblivion.

[A pic of her face when she finally discovers the identity would really be one for the photoboard though . . . ]"<<<<



First of all...if you check through this thread, you'll see that not ONCE have I referred to those in the film as being from Sidmouth folk week. I have merely referred to the film in general and the great humour coming from the maker of the video.

This was the first reference to it being about someone from Sidmouth, on this thread:


RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Frozen Gin - PM
Date: 17 May 09 - 02:08 PM

Now the rest of us know what Joan Crump looks like....cute moustache *LOL*<<<<


Then...Diane followed it up with this, where she too refers to the video being about the Sidmouth team, despite her saying above that she didn't feel that at all....   ????

From Diane: "As I already commented earlier on another thread, I am wondering how exactly the current Sidmouth organising committee feels about being likened to the 3rd Reich."


I think the video is an absolute treat because it smacks of the very attitude which has followed Show of Hands for years...and the attitude that has followed people who love their music.

And *that* is why I love the video.

Of course, Joan's now infamous words did come into my mind....and that's why I quoted them (in a German accent)......but so far as doing what Diane claims I've done, on her fRoots thread...nope, Sweetums, you did that almost all on your own, with the help of the above poster and of Joan herself of course, who has slid into the Adolf roll seemingly quite willingly, even choosing to reflect the character in the video on this thread itself, in some of her posts to me...



Ain't life just grand at times, huh? LOL

;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:37 AM

"Scene: outside the Bedford in Sidmouth,
madlizziecornish: Through one window are musicians, through the other, PJD.
And so on . . ."


Nice try, Diane, but...if people can be bothered to check the Live From Sidmouth thread on the BBC board, about page 50 or so....they'll find that I made that wonderful gaff in error, then spent ages apologising to PJD for it...It was hilarious, as Ralph Jordan himself agreed...and....it was where Ralph and I became kinda 'friends' before all the nastiness took off..I then went on to praise PJD on many threads about them, all of which I started...and gave great support to their music.

Get the facts straight, kid...otherwise people may be misled and I know you'd never want to do that to me.

Joan....could you put these 'personal attacks' I've made about you, on here please...I is a little puzzled.

If you check back, you'll see that the only personal attacks have come from you.

Ian Anderson is free to make as many sniggery posts about me on his board as he so chooses...I won't fall over sideways in shock, neither will Ian if the same applies to him. He's a great sense of humour, and loves ALL publicity..in fact, the more funny and naughty it becomes, the more he loves it.

Anyway, just needed to clear those parts up...and as to the victim bit, please see the post on 'prey' above. I ain't no-one's victim, sorry to disappoint you.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Smedley
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:40 AM

the Adolf roll

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I wonder what flavour filling this has in it.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:42 AM

Aaaaaaaaaarrrggghhhhhhhh! Where's my AK47 . . .

F*** peace, love and understanding. I'm off to Sidmouth with the death squad . . .


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:47 AM

I still say SoH is a Punt and Dennis sketch.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:50 AM

Best to wait until August.... :0)

Now, now folknacious, just because you've realised you can't pin the Joanie rumour on me, 'tis no good you gettin' all a bit upside down about it...

;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: theleveller
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:51 AM

"F*** peace, love and understanding. I'm off to Sidmouth with the death squad . . . "

LOL!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:53 AM

This thread is getting even more entertaining than the video....
I love it! :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Gervase
Date: 19 May 09 - 10:11 AM

It;'s probably entertaining to you, Ms Cornish, because you are an inveterate attention-seeker whose vanity is in inverse proportion to your intelligence.
How I wish you'd had your musical epiphany while listening to Mantovani or James Last instead of English music, then we'd be spared this incessant and irritating blather.
For fuck's sake, woman, give it a rest - Show of Hands, Seth Lakeman and Kate Rusby need your sort of flamming like they need another orifice.
As it is this thread is now 140 odd posts long, which is remarkable considering it was simply started to draw attention to yet another subtitled romp through the last reels of Downfall.
As far as I can see no-one has said any particular musician or band is 'crap', and the only person belittling and denigrating anything is you - and your target seems to be yourself!
It's little wonder that the American users of this site regard the English as mad.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: TheSnail
Date: 19 May 09 - 10:22 AM

I think the Roots video is even funnier. I especially like the moment about 25s in where Phil's ample form is caught in profile gazing whistfully out to sea. In the face of Steve's overacting he always looks as if he is sending the whole thing up.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Jeri
Date: 19 May 09 - 10:37 AM

Gervase, want to know why I this makes the English appear mad:

Prior to this message:
Lizzie Cornish 26
Other people: 116

...and you seem to truly believe it's all LC's doing--that's what's nuts.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Zen
Date: 19 May 09 - 10:53 AM

Whatever one may think about SoH, Bellowhead, the video clip in question or certain people who have posted to this thread, some of the name-calling and nastiness is totally inappropriate on a forum like this and I am surprised it has been tolerated by the moderators. Unfortunately, it seems to be on the general increase which is one reason why I am spending less and less time here. This is in marked contrast to another forum that I frequent, the Mandolin Cafe, where this type of rude behaviour is not tolerated at all.

Zen


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Banjiman
Date: 19 May 09 - 11:02 AM

"It's little wonder that the American users of this site regard the English as mad."

"Gervase, want to know why I this makes the English appear mad:

Prior to this message:
Lizzie Cornish 26
Other people: 116

...and you seem to truly believe it's all LC's doing--that's what's nuts. "

Erm, please don't tar all of us with the same brush...... or we might start having to believe that all Americans are Right wing, gun toting, reactionary Red Necks.

Which we know is no more true than that all the English posters are mad!

Your name calling of all "The English" should be no more acceptable than the mad rantings of CERTAIN English contributors.

Thank You.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 09 - 11:09 AM

"This is in marked contrast to another forum that I frequent, the Mandolin Cafe, where this type of rude behaviour is not tolerated at all."

Agreed Zen. Similarly the Unofficial Martin Guitar Forum. Very civilised - we disagree, sometimes strongly, but we do it in a civilised, adult manner. But then the majority of contributors to the UMGF are American - very few are Brits.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 19 May 09 - 11:22 AM

From: Gervase - PM
Date: 19 May 09 - 10:11 AM

It;'s probably entertaining to you, Ms Cornish, because you are an inveterate attention-seeker whose vanity is in inverse proportion to your intelligence.
How I wish you'd had your musical epiphany while listening to Mantovani or James Last instead of English music, then we'd be spared this incessant and irritating blather.
For fuck's sake, woman, give it a rest - Show of Hands, Seth Lakeman and Kate Rusby need your sort of flamming like they need another orifice.
As it is this thread is now 140 odd posts long, which is remarkable considering it was simply started to draw attention to yet another subtitled romp through the last reels of Downfall.
As far as I can see no-one has said any particular musician or band is 'crap', and the only person belittling and denigrating anything is you - and your target seems to be yourself!
It's little wonder that the American users of this site regard the English as mad.

Did you mention insulting? You're every bit as bad as Lizzie Cornish, I think you both need to give it a rest!

Jesus, nothing changes round here, filming, editing and running around tearing my hair, hoping we've got it right, this time, seems positively normal by comparison to this.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 19 May 09 - 11:41 AM

What Banjiman said!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 09 - 11:55 AM

Oh puh-leeee-e-e-e-e-eese, don't drag the poor Americans into this, guys. For once they're the innocent parties! :-)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Gervase
Date: 19 May 09 - 12:16 PM

Sorry, it was intemperate. But sometimes there is just so much a chap can stand before letting rip, and I didn't think it fair to kick the entirely blameless terrier currently snoozing under my desk.
I'm afraid, though, that the thoughtless gushing shown by one poster does get to me - particularly when, on another thread, they seem never to heave herd of Walter Pardon, and go on to 'blame' the EFDSS for not giving a gold badge to her heroes.
Honestly, there are times when I am embarrassed to have been born English...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 19 May 09 - 12:19 PM

But Wackboodsman (as you are from here on to be known, Copyright Will Fly), Jeri dragged herself in! I suspect she loves it... Anyway, any fule no that most English folk (in both senses) are totally bonkers and justly proud of it...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Banjiman
Date: 19 May 09 - 12:21 PM

Gervase: very dignified.

Thank you


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 19 May 09 - 12:30 PM

Nice cheap shot, GUEST, delivered from the safety of anonymity, how brave of you!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 May 09 - 01:03 PM

"madlizziecornish" is not Cornish. It's neither her name nor nationality. She comes from Pinner, Middlesex (allegedly). She knows nothing whatsoever about English music yet takes some sort of pride (of the scattergun variety, thanks Frau Krump) in snatching piecemeal this and that from anywhere (doesn't matter, sans fences is the mantra), and ramming it down people's throats even when

(a) they've been aware of for decades, thank you, or
(b) they didn't much want to know in the first place.

She's got delusions of spreading out music like some sort of fairy godmother, like her fantasy related above of being wholly responsible for sales of a CD which was practically sold out by the time she's heard of it and the band want her only to bloody well shut up.

She embarrasses the hell out of scores of performers who dread "endorsement" by her as a kiss of death and has bores thousands across cyberspace on scribbling boards which have tried, with varying success, to slam down drawbridges when she drifts into tirades of highly dangerous social policy bollocks.

There are a number of complex issues associated with this thread to do with the ethics of using Downfall in order to make yet another satirical point and it has thus generated a number of additional contributions way above her head.

What she has done is use it for two of her perennial themes, a vendetta against the Artistic Director of a world-renowned festival and to heap even more syrup on her fave "boysies".

Gervase, among many, is bloody sick of it. It's attention-seeking bilge serving no purpose than what she erroneously imagines in personal aggrandisement. Yes there are still some with a comprehension level lower than that of an educationally-challenged mud beetle whinging that "it's not all her fault". Yes it is.

Today, this forum has probably lost for good the wise and knowledgable contributions of Joan Crump / Ruth Archer. Presumably are are still some out there who will be proud of this too. Shame on you.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 19 May 09 - 01:08 PM

Well, Diane, I never ever thought I would say this, but I agree with you entirely.

Very well put.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 May 09 - 01:26 PM

At least the speaker has resigned, now for brown!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 02:15 PM

"...Yes there are still some with a comprehension level lower than that of an educationally-challenged mud beetle whinging that "it's not all her fault". Yes it is...."

Ain't she boooootiful! :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:01 PM

Oh, shit. I see this has turned into another one of "those" threads. I get all sorts of dramatic complaints about so-and-so being an attention-seeker and how so-and-so is singlehandedly ruining folk music in all of England, destroying EFDSS, and burning down the Cecil Sharp House.

I know I've done English folk music a horrible disservice by failing to silence said attention-seeker. But I'm not likely to change my mind. Max says you can try to convince him, if you like. I follow precedent; and I see no precedent for silencing somebody, simply for being obnoxious. Max sets the precedent, so maybe you should try to change his mind.

But did it ever occur to you that perhaps the best way to deal with an attention-seeker, is not to give any attention to the person seeking it? I will admit that Everybody's Favorite Attention-Seeker does go overboard quite regularly, but there's really no serious problem until the usual people get all hysterical about the Attention-Seeker's comments. It's the hysteria that amplifies those comments into something damaging.

It's not one crazy individual that gives people such a negative impression of the English folk community - it's the lynch-mob mentality that so often prevails among a number of UK folkies.

In other words, why get in a tizzy over Lizzy? She's just one person.


-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:06 PM

Yup. He's right. Don't feed the troll is the usual advice. Must learn to follow it!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:20 PM

booootiful

Odd turn of phrase for someone so abysmally ignorant about East Anglia's tradarts.
Now infamous for not having heard of Walter Pardon and caring less, madlizziecornish also once speculated that Sam Larner's rendition of Lofty Tall Ship was taken from a SoH composition.

This is someone with the temerity to insult and bully industry activists until they withdraw their input from these forums in despair. And wifty-wafty airheads without the braincells to assimilate the tragedy of their enforced absence continue to wail that "it's not her fault". Yes, it bloody is.

Joe Offer says "it's only one person". Personally, I remain unsure that it's a "person', rather an entire bank of spam generating machines. What concerns me is the result, the loss of the input of valuable activists who are just too sickened by the glutinous hassle. They, and the music, do not deserve this.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:29 PM

What I want to know is where people get the time and energy to carry on these wars, after a full day of work.

Decided I had better listen to both SoH and Bellowhead. Several videos of each later I concluded that if I had to chose between SoH and Bellowhead live performance it would be Bellowhead.   

Bellowhead seems fresh and fun and SoH a bit samey and stagnant.

As I am whacky over very trad rendering of trad songs, I would probably not by CD of either group.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Gervase
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:36 PM

booootiful
The catchphrase of the man who invented the turkey twizzler.
Says it all, really.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:40 PM

Ooh, Diane, you are *awful*, but....I like you! ;0)


Grand news! Ian Anderson has said, over on his board, that he's coming to Sidmouth this year! Apparently, he's on 'tank duty' to keep me out of The Bedford...LOLOLOL!

'57 boards and nothing on' was what Springsteen wrote about the BBC boards, as I recall, from my Walter Pardon Me days, which just goes to show that Springsty never found Mudcat! Oh, this place is just the best, everything from Sidmouth Adolf to Tits and Geysers.

I have to get my Invisibility Cloak ready for August,, so I can jump out and go BOO! to Grumpy Ed.

Tam, this isn't war..this is the English having fun! :0)

They love me to bits really... ;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:45 PM

Personally, I'd like to see Phil Beer rejoin Ashley Hutchings and company, and leave Steve Knightley to his own devices, ain't going to happen though.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:49 PM

Don't know what "whacky over very trad rendering of songs" means, but the thread is not, nor was it intended as a "war" about which band is the best. Not even madlizziecornish was trying to do that because, in her view, there is no band but SoH.

Where they have similarities, it is in their updated treatments of some trad material, however SoH's repertoire has vastly more self-written compositions. It is not even about "which CD to buy", but concerns a spoof situation in which one (Bellowhead) is pulling out of a headline festival spot and the alternative replacement is SoH.

Personally, I would agree entirely with the assessment that SoH's arrangements are "samey and stagnant". A terrible shame because they are nice chaps and all that but are capable of considerably better, certainly as individual musicians. One of Gervase's earlier posts summed this up very concisely. They get away with what they do because they can and make, presumably, an adequate living from not trying all that hard. I wish they would, but then, perhaps they are more interested in branching into alternative employment routes . . .

Bellowhead, on the other hand, are a 12-piece of professional, multi-genre musicians all have whom have a multiplicity of other projects on the go. It is no way a like-for-like comparison.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Zen
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:50 PM

To avoid any possible confusion from my comment below, it is the nastiness and personal attacks I deplore, not the expressing of opinions. There is a big difference between I very strongly disagree with you and You are a $£&%*!? (insert expletive of your choice)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Amy_Florence_Nthants
Date: 19 May 09 - 03:59 PM

Okay maybe my system is just really dodgey but could someone post the link for a third time?

Pretty please? I've read all the comments and want to know what the fuss is about :-)

1st link didn't work
2nd link said video has been removed!!!

Please - with a cherry on top?

Thank You


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:03 PM

re-sited video as requested


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:11 PM

SoH should branch out, then maybe they can return re-invigorated and with fresh ideas.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Amy_Florence_Nthants
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:47 PM

Thank you very much

"West-country, cream-guzzling pastry head" :-)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 May 09 - 05:08 PM

It's easy, SOH are a thinking man's outfit and Bellowhead are for the mob. Lizzie, I always enjoy your posts.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 19 May 09 - 05:27 PM

SOH are a thinking man's outfit

Have you ever done any thinking???


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Zimmerman
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:42 PM

Diane Easby's painstaking deconstruction of this debate is to be applauded. Lizzie Cornish is a deranged New Age fantasist who ought to be sedated and sectioned.

But I must take issue with Ms. Easby's incessant vituperation on the subject of Show Of Hands. Being resident in a remote area I have only seen them once but felt that their performance that night widened the gateway to our traditional musical heritage for an audience which appeared not to be habitual attendees of folk clubs or sessions. Steve Knightley's songs are a legitimate subject for debate which I wouldn't want to stifle but I feel that he is well within the ambit of the process which, in the words of Ezra Pound when giving advice to T S Eliot on the subject of the traditional canon was: "make it new."

I perceive Ms. Easby not to be a hidebound curator of an ossified collection of songs and tunes, so what is her criterion for a legitimate reinterpretation of the traditional memes that she thinks Steve Knightley has failed at?

Which brings me to the more important underlying subject of this thread - the permissibility or otherwise of the annexation of the proximity to the Holocaust of the Downfall parodies? My view would be that, like it or not, the memetic process distances itself completely from the horrors of Hitlerism. Nothing is beyond satire.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 20 May 09 - 02:52 AM

I do not think Steve Knightley has "failed".
I consider him to be a better-than-average songwriter and Phil Beer a jolly fine musician and producer.
Show Of Hands dull and samey arrangements leave me cold and I think they do as a band as little as they can get away with because they can.
They have an overgrown teenager, musically indiscriminating following but, additionally, have attracted attention from the far and nasty right who tried to incorporate the ideologically dodgy Roots.
If they wanted to they could very easily rise above this unfortunate fanbase, politically and musically.
madlizziecornish's now infamous claim that SoH are more important than Walter Pardon of whom she'd never heard is neatly annihilated in a Steve Knightley quote from an email to Ian Anderson which he has given permission to be used:

Ultimately this music is something we do but with Walter and his like it was what they were and it wouldn't be even be around for us to discover or re-create without his ilk!.

Which reflects where he stands currently in my estimation.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:20 AM

"Lizzie Cornish is a deranged New Age fantasist who ought to be sedated and sectioned."



Dear God of Music and Sparkles,

If you have a minute, I'd like to have a short chatter..

Please, never let me stop being someone who believes in magic and beauty. Never take that part of me away that sees and hears 'the music' in such a different way from those who feel the need to dissemble, wound and criticise at every turn. I am me, I will never be *them*. I love the music my way, in the way that is so natural to me, in the way that was given to me, in a way that is so alien to others.

So, God of Music and Sparkles, if you're 'out there', thank you for the magic you sprinkle down, thank you for putting it inside the music that I love so much, thank you for putting it inside me. But most of all, thank you for never sedating the part of my heart which sees the colours and the beauty. It makes up for the parts of my head that don't work in the same way as the pedantic ones, for I will never be able to debate like they do, to recall facts as they do, nor use words of more than one syllabubble.

And whilst some may always choose to see me as 'obnoxious' there are others out here who see and feel the music as I do...and they believe in me, which makes up for all the crap.

But could I just ask you one BIG favour? Could you please let me stay in my strait-jacket, because, as you know so well, it's this jacket which seals in my sparkles and lets them remain always with me, safe and protected from hearing the music as notes alone. Giving me the ability to see the colours that pour from the music and never wanting to be as 'obnoxious' as others on this thread...

Lots of Love
Lizzie, The Happily Weird One


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:26 AM

Seems to me that some (dare I call them, yes I bloody well dare) "f*lkies" have yet to mature beyond the 'Oasis v. Blur' teen-mag bollocks (or, in view of the age-range of some, if not all, of these people, perhaps that should be 'Beatles v. Stones').

Neither SoH nor Bellowhead are 'better' one than the other, they're just 'different', and whether what they do speaks to you or not is entirely up to you as the listener. IMHO.

AIH, I'm not a big fan of either of them as bands (one's too 'like wow, I'm so cool and far out man', the other is an out-of-tune, blaring cacophony, AFAMEAC) but I recognise their individual talents and hold them in equal respect as musicians. IMHO. YMMV.

Likewise, I hold in high respect people who have the vision, energy and cojones (yes guys, women can have balls too) to stick their heads above the parapet and undertake the organisation of any sort of festival, with all the bullet-dodging that it entails. Festival organisers are entitled to book whoever they wish, and not book whoever they don't wish, there's no "Statutory Compulsory Festival Performer List", no matter how much some people wish there was, and organisers are not under any obligation to book artistes just because someone, or even a lot of someones, thinks they should. They have the right to make decisions on whatever basis they wish - they take the risks, so it's their decision. These courageous people deserve our appreciation, not public censure and abuse. Again, all IMHO.

The clip was mildly amusing. We've had a larff. Some took it all too far, much too far. Maybe it's time to let this fall off the bottom now?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:30 AM

"madlizziecornish's now infamous claim that SoH are more important than Walter Pardon of whom she'd never heard is neatly annihilated in a Steve Knightley quote from an email to Ian Anderson which he has given permission to be used:"

Er....I've heard of Walter, and Harry and Sam...and a whole lot more...helped to create sites about them too, as well you know, Sugarplum.

And despite the twisting that's now going on, you'll find, if you check back, that I said it would be nice if the EFDSS gave those who are bringing in tens of thousands to folk music, a gold badge...as they had Walter, because they are doing far more for the music now.

I don't have the hang ups that you do, Diane. I don't look at things as you do. I fully understand that songs from the past are just that, songs from the past, kept alive by those who sang them at that time. I don't regard Walter as a 'saint' nor Show of Hands either, but I see them all as men who love music, who love songs, who love singing, people who have the music running through them.

You have tried to stop that music from flowing, so very many times. You have done all you can do to put some musicians down, and whilst you're now starting to change your mind, and be a little kinder towards SoH, probably because you've now met them, and so have softened, or....possibly because they have been so supportive of Mawkin, one of whom is your best friend's son....I don't know. But even in your softening, you are still highly insulting, sanctimonious and up your own arse, in my humble, but 'obnoxious' opinion.

There are tens of thousands of people out here who feel very differently to you, the difference is, we appreciate that you have the right to feel how you do, love the music you love.

Good to know that Steve and Ian are talking to one another. It's done my heart good to see that Ian has finally come round to seeing Show of Hands in a very different light, way overdue and lovely to see.

:0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:32 AM

Come off it. By allowing their songs to be collected, source singers enabled evil doers like Sharp to lock music away from the people. They were part of the plot.

Folk was finally set free from this desperate situation when one Lizzie Cornish began her campaign of enlightenment, single handely introducing the world to groups such as SOH as well as warning of the dangers of the Folk SS.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:45 AM

I do not know Steve Knightley.
I have met Phil Beer but once, not socially, at a workshop he did.
My assessment of their work is a musical one.
I know not how Jayne Delarre is going to react to the suggestion that I am her "best friend" but I'm sure she'll get over it.

Website creation? There's a fancy term for pirating others' efforts by copy-pasting it into Albion Farts. How are the copyright claims progressing?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:16 AM

I find these like/dislike, David Cassidy vs Donny Osmond, Jackie v Fab 208 discussions very refreshing. They are subjective and show human nature for what it is - biased and passionate. More enlightened than a judgement backed up by some spurious old bollox of a definition that doesn't make the poster do any thinking because he/she is always 'right' cos, like, hey, just look at the f'king definition maaan.

So: B'head = fab, So'H = lightweight political posturing codswallop.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Smedley
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:24 AM

David Cassidy every time.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:41 AM

"I said it would be nice if the EFDSS gave those who are bringing in tens of thousands to folk music, a gold badge...as they had Walter, because they are doing far more for the music now."
Lizzie - Lonnie Donegan and Bob Dylan brought far more people into folk music long before SOH, Kate Rusby and the entire Lakeman family were ever heard of; but I can't imagine anyone campaigning for EFDSS to award them a gold badge.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:42 AM

Which Show of Hands CDs have you actually listened to Diane? Would you like me to make you a proper pirate copy of a couple. They wouldn't mind, they say so at every gig. It's not stealing, its borrowing with permission. Or has that varmit Blackbeard been keeping you supplied with Show of Hands' glittering treasures?

When did you last see them perform live? I look forward to reading your reaction to the Sidmouth gig.

I love this song. Really bad eggs. Ooh. When I get the Pearl back, I'm gonna teach it to the whole crew, and we'll sing it all the time.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:45 AM

So you don't like Donny Osmond. What have you got against Mormons?

(queue next poster...)

...Quite right Jon, People like that have no respect for the beliefs or others.

(Smedley back to defend the comments and views he never made...)

...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Smedley
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:49 AM

I have been ventriloquised......(and I quite liked it)

Mormons ? Homophobes & racists. But more importantly, David Cassidy would be an infinitely better shag.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:57 AM

I'm not sure I want to go down that route, Smedely. I was just trying to comment on how something never said in the first place suddenly becomes something you might feel obliged to defend.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: evansakes
Date: 20 May 09 - 06:18 AM

Is it just me that's of the opinion that this (very amusing) satirisation is nothing whatsoever to do with the perceived merits (or lack of) of either of these two bands.

Seems clear to me it's merely a general observation on ANY kind of musical intolerance. The sort of blind tribalistic stuff that's been going on since time immemorial albeit one that's particularly prevalent in folk circles. The principal polarised parties could just as easily have been Martin Carthy and Jim Moray. Or George Jones and Steve Earle, Beethoven and Stockhausen, Louis Armstrong and Dizzy Gillespie, Marc Bolan or David Bowie etc etc

Everything else in the video is an irrelevant detail. Amazing that anyone might think there's any personal attack being made on Sidmouth Festival organisers past or present so no-one should take offence....not even Chas n flippin Dave :-)

I imagine whoever devised this parody is now perusing this thread with great amusement. The premise behind it has been entirely reinforced by some of the knee-jerk reactions in this thread.

ps Before anyone gets hot under the collar I should also clarify I have TWO albums by Chas n Dave and have always admired their music (and musicicianship). Gertcha!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Cllr
Date: 20 May 09 - 06:30 AM

twickfolk, couldn't agree more. bunny bunny rabbit rabbit

Cllr


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 20 May 09 - 06:58 AM

Try again with a name, just Guest will get deleted.

Is it just me that's of the opinion that this (very amusing) satirisation is nothing whatsoever to do with the perceived merits (or lack of) of either of these two bands.

No, it's not just you.

Personally, I felt the video was open to various interpretations including Lizzie's "folk SS" feelings, someone else's rights/wrongs about using nazi's in humour, etc.

It's one reason why I didn't find it hilarious.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 May 09 - 08:44 AM

"I have TWO albums by Chas n Dave and have always admired their music (and musicicianship)."

Fine musicians they are indeed - not as Chas & dave so much, IMHO, but many years ago I played in a band that played support for Cliff Bennett and The Rebel Rousers a couple of times, when Chas and Dave were Rebel Rousers. Fabulous band, fantastic singer. Loved 'Baby, It's Alright' and their wonderful swinging version of '6345789'. Brilliant Soul/R&B.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Smedley
Date: 20 May 09 - 09:03 AM

And wasn't either Chas or Dave (or both) in that underrated early 1970s band Heads Hands & Feet (who were a sort of Brit attempt at country-rock with Albert Lee on lead guitar) ?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: evansakes
Date: 20 May 09 - 09:14 AM

"And wasn't either Chas or Dave (or both) in that underrated early 1970s band Heads Hands & Feet"

Spot on, Smedley....there ain't no fleas on you.

Chas n Dave


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine
Date: 20 May 09 - 12:39 PM

Chas 'n' Dave for Sidmouth headliners! ;-)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Scotsman Over The Border
Date: 20 May 09 - 12:44 PM

Chas and Dave played Cambridge FF, must have been around '80 - '82ish


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Zen
Date: 20 May 09 - 02:21 PM

If I remember right it was 1981... saw that concert.

Zen


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:05 PM

"Lizzie - Lonnie Donegan and Bob Dylan brought far more people into folk music long before SOH, Kate Rusby and the entire Lakeman family were ever heard of; but I can't imagine anyone campaigning for EFDSS to award them a gold badge. "


Show of Hands brought *me* into folk music, Dave...Bob didn't, I liked him, yes...Lonnie was a a few years before me, but I remember a few of his songs...but it was Steve and Phil who got me into this world...

So, I'm afraid, even though the serious ones won't like it, they did lead me to the likes of Walter Pardon, Harry Cox, Sam Larner and Bob Copper...

Without SoH, I'd not be here...and just think how unhappy you'd all be! ;0)

And I think I'm fairly safe in saying that there are MASSES of other people out here who've found their way into English traditional music because of Show of Hands.

That's all. It's no big deal. It's just the way it is, that because of them, I've discovered a whole world of music...and I'm afraid that yes, I DO think they should have some sort of recognition from the traditional world, at long, long last, for their sheer hard work and efforts over many years to remove the barriers from traditional music, and bring in thousands of people.

As I said, Ian Anderson is now recognising that fact, Colin Irwin too....and it seems that Diane and Joan are also on their way, at long, long last...

Yippeeeeeeeee!

Getting back to the topic of the thread though, that film is just terribly funny. Every time I watch it, I still laugh...and it's good to laugh at it, because it shows the how silly this whole thing has been for so long...

Time to change, methinks..and that change is happening now...being driven by Ian Anderson and fRoots themselves..

Well done, Ian. :0) xxx


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: evansakes
Date: 20 May 09 - 04:26 PM

"Chas 'n' Dave for Sidmouth headliners!"

Eh?

fRoots would SLAUGHTER them!

Besides, if they wanted pub singers they'd have booked Show of Hands.

:-)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 May 09 - 05:01 PM

Ooh, Gerry! ;0)

Oh, how strange, they're throwing wobblies over on the fRoots board at the moment. :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 20 May 09 - 08:20 PM

<<<<"Chas 'n' Dave for Sidmouth headliners!" Eh? fRoots would SLAUGHTER them!>>>

Chas n Dave appeared at Sidmouth, Monday night, at Arena in 1998.
No reports of any slaughter!
Derek


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Cllr
Date: 20 May 09 - 08:28 PM

i thought so, thanks derek

+you got more rabbit than sainsburys why dont you give it a rest **

ahh happy days


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 May 09 - 08:30 PM

Anybody in the folk scene had to deal with a stalker before?

How did they do it? Court orders? Sending the boys round?

Lizzie's antics must be costing Knightley, Beer and Lakeman a significant loss of income by now.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Barry Finn
Date: 21 May 09 - 01:52 AM

By golly, maybe, hopefully I'll get to see these two groups that I've never heard of when I get to go to my first trip to England this summer. Anyone know what session they sing at?

Barry


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:05 AM

Jon Boden's latest session venture at

The Royal Hotel, Sheffield.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: evansakes
Date: 21 May 09 - 04:05 AM

Barry, you might be in luck if you find yourself anywhere near an English seaside resort this summer (apart from Sidmouth of course).

They could be playing at a pier near you. Not so much a session, more of a good ole Cockney ding dong. Same thing really.

Summer tour


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 21 May 09 - 04:13 AM

Barry, check them both out, fabulous musicians, all.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:12 AM

I used to quite like Show of Hands. I have just gone off them...

;D (eG)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Gervase
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:19 AM

You're not the only one!
I reckon that "Lizzie Cornish" is actually Jon Boden's brilliant but deranged great aunt, sitting in an attic with a computer, chain-smoking Embassy untipped and trying to do her best to scupper those bastards from Show of Hands.
"But Jon, I was only trying to help..." may be the last quavering words we hear as she's bundled into the back of a white van. Come to think of it, it was probably her that nicked the gin...


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:39 AM

Soyy I thought you said Lizzie Borden, or was it Lizzie Dripping.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:40 AM

Curse this computer, it can't spell.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Mad Spaniel
Date: 21 May 09 - 10:20 AM

I thought the clip was funny, a laugh, something to giggle at before the rain starts again. Lighten up please.

I like both bands but then again i don't take sides in the Beatles stones silliness either.

Get over it you guys


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 21 May 09 - 10:59 AM

Sir Bulverton's squire is perhaps working on subtitling this one.

The Alternative Factor

No! Not good! Stop! Not good! What are you doing? You burned all the food, the shade... the rum!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 21 May 09 - 11:32 AM

Aargh, try again! See long posting from Phil Beer in the Froots/ EFDSS thread. Especially if you are LC.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 21 May 09 - 12:10 PM

"....Especially if you are LC."
I wonder if it occurs to you (I doubt it) that you're opposite sides of the same coin, going on and on but from to different points of view.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 21 May 09 - 12:19 PM

Very good point, accepted. The only excuse is that it's what we get driven to by other extremists. Time to get out of here, a life and some equilibrium I think. Also to remember that troll feeding proverb.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 21 May 09 - 12:33 PM

I accept it too.
And really, really hope that no-one ever needs to point it out to me again.
Life's too short and far, far too many better things to do.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:19 PM

Wow, well done, Dianne.In the same way that Steve and Phil have risen in your estimation, I'm sure that short and humble post has had more effect than many of your 'spirited' forays. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 May 09 - 03:21 PM

Nice one Diane.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 29 May 09 - 06:35 AM

Well, would you believe it, my semi joke post right near the beginning of the thread was extraordinarily prescient. Steve Knightley did it, he's just shown his hand on fRoots.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 May 09 - 06:42 AM

Yeah - it was Steve that sent me the message via Youtube that I posted up the thread. I have to confess, I was so gobsmacked that my first response was "Steve who?" and even when he replied "Knightley, of course", I still didn't believe it was really him! :D


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Surreysinger at work
Date: 29 May 09 - 07:22 AM

Thanks to Steve for a great piece of fun. It gave me several laughs when I felt much in need of one. (And I'm chuffed to find that my guess early on in the speculation was correct!! :-)   )


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 29 May 09 - 07:33 AM

Unless, of course, he knew you wouldn't believe the truth even if he told it to you.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: TheSnail
Date: 29 May 09 - 07:35 AM

But how do we know he is telling the truth?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 29 May 09 - 07:42 AM

Snail, look up Solipsism in a philosophy textbook. When you get your head round that, you won't bother with such questions.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: TheSnail
Date: 29 May 09 - 08:00 AM

Did you never see The Life of Brian or Spartacus?

I'm Bulverton (and so is my wife).


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 29 May 09 - 12:15 PM

Seen both films, don't get the Bulverton reference. Do us a favour, if your queation is rhetorical, ironic or deictic, please (as we cannot hear tone etc)use a marker other than the queation mark. Some people use scare quotes, asterisks or multiple exclamation marks "* geddit*"!!!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Vic Smith
Date: 29 May 09 - 12:26 PM

Ah! Now you are getting on to my favourite topic....
Bryan Creer said:-
I'm Bulverton (and so is my wife).


This refers to the command given by a lisping Pontius Pilate to "Welease Bwyan" and a centurion is dispatched to find someone amongst the many who are crucified. He calls out, "Right, then which one of you is Bryan? I've got orders for his release." Of course, all those who are crucified call out "I'm Bryan" apart from the bloke who we have previously encountered at the Sermon on the Mount scene who calls out:-

I'm Bryan and so is my wife!

I hope this explains to Tug The Cox what Bwyan Creer was on about.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Vic Smith
Date: 29 May 09 - 12:43 PM

Or to be really factual about it:-

Centurion: Where is Brian of Nazareth?
Brian: You sanctimonious bastards!
Centurion: I have an order for his release!
Brian: You stupid bastards!
Mr. Cheeky: Uh, I'm Brian of Nazareth.
Brian: What?
Mr. Cheeky: Yeah, I - I - I'm Brian of Nazareth.
Centurion: Take him down!
Brian: I'm Brian of Nazareth!
Victim #1: Eh, I'm Brian!
Mr. Big Nose: I'm Brian!
Victim #2: Look, I'm Brian!
Brian: I'm Brian!
Victims: I'm Brian!
Gregory: I'm Brian, and so's my wife!
Victims: I'm Brian! I'm Brian!...
Brian: I'm Brian of Nazareth!
Centurion: All right. Take him away and release him.
Mr. Cheeky: No, I'm only joking. I'm not really Brian. No, I'm not Brian. I was only - It was a joke. I'm only pulling your leg! It's a joke! I'm not him! I'm just having you on! Put me back! Bloody Romans! Can't take a joke!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 May 09 - 01:43 PM

Tug the Cox: and in case you hadn't realised, Bulverton is the pseudonym that was used to post the film on Youtube.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: TheSnail
Date: 29 May 09 - 01:53 PM

Thanks Vic and Ruth.

Unless I am mis-remembering, the Life of Brian scene is based on an idea in Spartacus. When the authorities come for him, all his followers shout out "I'm Spartacus!". Steve may just be trying to protect the "real" Bulverton.

(Assume default - "silly".)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 May 09 - 03:07 PM

And it all makes as about as much sense as The Life of Brian, or a Show of Hands concert


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 May 09 - 04:05 PM

Shhhhh Shhhhhh Shhhhhhhhow of Hands.

My new name for them. ;0)

I think it's the most wonderful story going...and I'm *not* talking about the video..Great to hear that Ian's allowed Steve on his board, what a fOlk hero, huh. Heck, at this rate, I may even have to get an 'I Love Ian Anderson' tatoo, as well. ;0

I wonder if those Gorgeous Oysters still love me? Probably not :0( They're good lads though, AND they have the best fans in ALL the world. (Joolzy, are you and Carol out there?)

Do you realise that I've become the banned fan of the Banned Band who's been banned by the Banned Ban from being a fan. :0)

Lizzie otherwise known as 'That Quarter'.......where once, I used to be Whole.

Help, three parts of me have gone missing! :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: evansakes
Date: 29 May 09 - 05:26 PM

"I think it's the most wonderful story going"

Don't you mean the greatest story ever told?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 29 May 09 - 05:41 PM

Sorry Snail, was thinking too literally .Having been helped by thesen lovely people to see the point, well done, good quip. Lizzy, don't rise.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 May 09 - 05:44 PM

Very good, Gerry....but...I can't tell stories any longer. Methinks I'm supposed to stand in the corner and write 'I must not insult Walter' a thousand times over...and...I've had to give up my lunchtime play hour too. I'm in *biggggggg* trouble. ;0)

Good job I went to St. Trinians, else life might become kinda boring..

Anyway, I can't stay, I've got to plan my Bedford Surprise for Ian, 'cos he's on Tank Duty this year.

Lizzie

PS...Could someone please tell Steve Knightley NOT to talk about Shhh Shhh Shhhhow of Hands on the fRoots board, because...he'll get banned! Trust me, I sooooo know what I'm talking about here!

;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 May 09 - 05:50 PM

"Lizzy, don't rise. "

Oops! We posted at the same time...Too late, Tugs!

They'll be after me now...but I've got my St. Trinians gymslip on, so I'm armed for anything. I'm just off for a quick smoke at the back of the cycle sheds..care to join me?

Ian Anderson fOlk Rrrrrrrocks!

Blimey, I'm SO impressed that I even thought about mentioning this on my Shhh Shhhh Shhhhow of Hands thread I started a while back on the BBC board...but..er...I've been banned from that too.

(story of me life) :0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: TheSnail
Date: 29 May 09 - 07:47 PM

No problem Tug. At least I've learnt a couple of new words although I'm not sure how a question can be deictic.

All praise to Steve for a brilliant piece of work.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 29 May 09 - 08:03 PM

Just watched it again for the third or fourth time and it is still as funny - well done Steve! Genius!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Uncle Rumpo
Date: 29 May 09 - 08:55 PM

memes.. ???

post modernism..????

..the bumper fun book of post popularist off yer 'ead and up yer arse culture !!!

love it...

Any one tried doing it yet to the next nearest similar scene
in Anthony Hopkins "The Bunker" ??????????

that'd score Youtoob origionality merit points !!!



Thing is, seems the Nazis were quite keen on VolksMusik..


bring on the euro elections...............


I vote our song for Euro 2009.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 30 May 09 - 06:19 AM

You're too modest snail.Deictic means pointing towards (same root as index finger). Sometimes a person will frame what sounds like a question in order to 'point to' something else, While on life of brian, Pilate's 'What is truth', was probably of that order, pointing to the relatavism that he believed existed.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: TheSnail
Date: 30 May 09 - 06:37 AM

Merriam Webster
showing or pointing out directly

Webster
1. Rare directly pointing out or proving
2. Linguis. having the function of pointing out or specifying, and having its reference determined by its context the words "this," "there," and "you" are deictic.

I thought I was casting doubt.

Alternatively.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 May 09 - 06:40 AM

Blimey, this thread's got awful serious, all of a sudden. :0)
Why not go back and watch the video again, it'll bring a smile.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 May 09 - 08:00 AM

Finally got round to looking for this and it's been removed by the uploader.

Is it somewhere else now?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Vic Smith
Date: 30 May 09 - 08:15 AM

If you think that Show of Hands, Bellowhead and Joan Crump have got problems, think how much worse it is for Newcastle United......

Have a look at Newcastle United Relegation Downfall Parody


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 May 09 - 09:04 AM

>>>Finally got round to looking for this and it's been removed by the uploader. Is it somewhere else now?<<<



This is the link which still works:

Showof Hands - Bellowhead - Youtube


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 May 09 - 10:53 AM

The folks who post on the folk roots site are in the main - total pratts, and those on the BBC site not far behind!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 30 May 09 - 11:03 AM

"The folks who post on the folk roots site are in the main - total pratts, and those on the BBC site not far behind!"

the pot (or pratt) calling the kettle black? *LOL*


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 May 09 - 12:02 PM

No, it's not the pot calling the kettle black. 'Bonzo' is, imo, correct, because most of those who post over there are very supercilious and love to discuss music in an intellectual way, above all else, whilst sneering at the 'lowlies' over here, and those who they feel don't know as much as they do.

You only had to watch the gloating going on over there, as they sniggered to one another about who they thought had posted the video. Made me chuckle, I can tell you.

Ian has never let equal discussion take place on his board, as Max and Joe do over here. If he doesn't like what people say, he zaps them...and despite him saying that he's only ever had to ban 2 or 3 people, I know more than that myself who say they were zapped from his board.

But..it IS Ian's board and he's perfectly entitled to keep it the way he wants it...and after all, I shouldn't be too cross with him, because he has now recognised that what I told him about Seth, and 'they who must not be mentioned' was correct....

It does my heart so much good to see them all swooning over Steve Knightley now. Yippeeeee! You couldn't have wished for a happier ending really..could you?

Could you?

Well, yes...you could...because it would have meant far more if they were having a serious discussion about his songs, having the guts to admit that perhaps, just *perhaps* that crazy West Country seagull DID have a point after all...because their new heroes are actually not just damn excellent musicians, performing both traditional and new traditional folk songs in a way that brings in loads of people...but that there is a far more enjoyable way of spending an evening at Sidmouth Folk Week, than 'sticking pins in your eyes' rather than listening to their music...and that is to actually sit there with an open mind....and a stomach full of guts to admit that maybe, just maybe, they've been wrong, all this time....


(she exits stage left and sits under heavily re-enforced table, just to be on the safe side)

:0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 30 May 09 - 01:55 PM

If he doesn't like what people say, he zaps them...and despite him saying that he's only ever had to ban 2 or 3 people, I know more than that myself who say they were zapped from his board.

Here's what IAA said on the Froots board recently about such claims:

I've had a number of PMs asking me who they are, as apparently several people are claiming in another place that they are or aren't (a badge of pride, no less). Well, leaving aside the fact that I was only including actual real posters and not all the random pornspammers from before we upgraded our security, the four are, as I'm sure most regulars are aware: Lizzie Cornish, Dick Miles, "UncleBoko" (otherwise Steve Giles of Selsdon) and "Venkataraghavamurthy etc." (who I still have no idea as to the real identity of)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 May 09 - 02:39 PM

Ah...but I know of others too. :0)

Besides, Ian said he'd never be a 'they who can't be mentioned' fan...and now look at him! He says one thing, does another, ya know?...she spluttered in a somewhat unladylike manner, all over her keyboard, giggling mischieviously.

This is a great thread, it's been laughter pretty much from the start.

I think Steve should write a whole new series, like a Folk Fawltey Towers, set in Sidmouth, rather than Torquay. It'd be GREAT! Hey, Ian could be the new Manuel. :0)

OOH! fRoots Towers! THAT's what Grumpy Ed actually calls his offices over there...Yes, that's just perfect!

I've got an entire cast of characters running through my head now..

;0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 30 May 09 - 02:45 PM

I considered joining a while back - but having scanned it a few times, it just reads too much like a smug in for me. Think I prefer the consensual 'History Today' style abuse that goes on here - well it is worth a laugh anyway!


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 30 May 09 - 02:53 PM

What is the BBC site?


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 May 09 - 03:06 PM

Ah...but I know of others too

Would these others be "Lizzie Cornish" under different names? She has had a tendency to use multiple identities elsewhere.

BBC board


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 May 09 - 04:46 PM

Nope, 'the others' aren't me.

And as for the BBC, well, yes, I *had* to, because the Moaning Minnies saw to it that I have no name of my own anymore, so I invented a few new ones.

I still do, from time to time, and sometimes, none of you spot me.

Teehee! ;0)

(they zoom to the BBC board and scan all threads immediately! Searching, searching, desperately searching for those incorrect apo'str'ophe's..and emailing each other frantically...

"There she is! She's over there! On that thread..the one about 'they who must not be mentioned!" "Are you sure that's her?" "Yes, look in the 'Locating Lizzie Manual' Chapter 17 'Things she doesn't do with commas'...then scan the pages again and you'll find her, easily!")

Anyways ups..back to Shhhhh and Bellowhead..

I think they should do a gig together.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:13 PM

Intersting idea but I'm not aware of it and make too many of my own apostrophe errors to count them.

What I've noticed over there is if not spotted (/commented on - I think at times some keep quiet), Lizzie will advertise her presence by making a series of posts, by adding lots of smilies to posts, by passing (eg. SOH) comments that only Lizzie can, etc. Sometimes she also makes remarks hinting at how long it will be before she is reported (not that I think the host can't spot it herself).


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:21 PM

Aha...Chapter 22 of the 'Locating Lizzie Manual'...'Sit Back and Count How Many Posts She Makes, Add them All Up and Try to Figure Out why She Does It'

Noooooo....I've not been spotted many a time on the Music board. You're just all gettin' old and forgetting to check both boards.
Anyway, WHAT would you all do without me, huh? You'd have no-one to play with. All the fRootytOoties would be bored out of their board.

:0)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Gervase
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:31 PM

It's called 'attention seeking'.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:40 PM

No. I'm just aware that Lizzie does want to be spotted on the F&A board.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:41 PM

Nope, it's called 'fun'...and there is way too little of it in the English folk world, which is why that video (getting back on topic) is such a great moment of light relief.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:41 PM

(sorry, that was in reply to Lizzie's comments not Gervase's)


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Peace
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:44 PM

Well, I'm very happy she's such a good friend. She's the gal who keeps my MySpace under control, and I couldn't ask for it to be done any better. I think some of you folks have lots of terrible info about that gal. Too bad. She's a wonderful person, imo, and really I don't give a rat's ass who doesn't agree with me.

Have a nice day, all.


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:44 PM

Nope, it's called 'fun'..

And yes, I am also aware that Lizzie calls it "fun".


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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Jeri
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:55 PM

I think if you're too stupid to talk about the subject and too insecure to not either tolerate those you don't like or ignore them, you should go elsewhere and do it. Not this thread and not this forum.

This thread isn't about Lizzie and it's not about your hates. Stupid vicious people, go away.

No more posts about Lizzie Cornish.


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